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The War Within Islam ( 10 Dec 2013, NewAgeIslam.Com)

The Anguish Of A Two-Nation Theorist: Pakistan Is Becoming Too Liberal, Men Sre Singing And Dancing, Women Are Playing Kabaddi!


By Dr. Hina Zafar

11 December 2013

After Many Days. I turned on TV and was shocked to see the BREAKING NEWS ....

PAKISTAN WOMEN KABADDI TEAM ......bla bla bla .....

I was already thinking about Pakistani Idol when this news come before my eyes .... and I plunged in ocean of thoughts .....

If I am not wrong, we were taught in school that Two Nation theory was the base behind the struggle for a separate home land.

Quaid e Azam, said.... we want a piece of land, where we can practically implement Islamic Principles to spend our lives according to religion ISLAM. Our elders sacrificed millions of millions lives and finally Pakistan came into existence with the slogan .....

"" PAKISTAN KA MATLAB KIA, LA HI LA HA ILL ALLAH""

The piece of land called ""PAKISTAN"" that appear on the map of Earth on the name of religion Islam ... was thought to be  an ISLAMIC COUNTRY but now after 68 years of existence, we start our day with MUSIC broad casted on Radio Channels and when we turn on Television, we find anchors (half expired teenager aunties and aunty type uncles) doing acrobats (following and preaching Indian culture) in their respective morning shows.

Hat's off to the Enlightened Minds (NGO MIND SET), Liberalism (MEDIA), Modernism (DICTATORSHIP) and Democracy (POLITICAL PARTIES)

From last 10 days, I am continuously reading.... please check my words, I am reading not reciting .... I am reading Holy Quran, (which is said to have complete code of life for HUMANITY) and checking, if I can find a single Ayat or Chapter in support of MUSIC, PARTICIPATION OF WOMEN IN KABADI type GAMEs, DANCES IN MORNING SHOWS WEDDING etc etc .... but I failed. I could not find any thing in support of above mentioned activities ....

After being ignited with my words, for sure my half expired NGO AUNTIES and Aunty Type MALE UNCLEs, plus perfect Media People, rotten political minds  will say ......

"" FEMALE PARTICIPATION IN EVERY ACTIVITY OF LIFE IS MUST, either its game or dances in morning shows ....

See Ameer Khusroo used to sing, and baba bulley shah used to dance ... its SUFISM,

- When people dance in morning shows, they are just close to SUFISM,

- when stupid nation come to audition for becoming Pakistani Idol (singer) they are following Ameer Khusro, doing Sufism,

- When females are playing KABADI type games, they are improving their health and showing Pakistan positive image to the world... 

- When women’s are doing cat walk on Ramp in fashion shows, they are showing the world how talented we are

- When our ladies are doing modeling, they are telling people, Pakistani (MUSLIM) ladies are also beautiful and bold etc etc

so if we want to be a strong, developed nation where democracy flourish , all such above mentioned activities should be supported at every level.

No Idea why a particular frustrated, dull mind set try to take us to stone age, and bring Islam in everything as last tool to prove their stupid points .... !!!

The society where we are living today, we cannot implement Islam and we cannot spend our lives according to it. Sorry !!!!

 Now big question comes in mind..... What and Who is more AUTHENTIC .... ALLAH's s Command as conveyed through Holy Quran or our HUMAN LIBERAL MIND SET .... ???

I never thought this day would come in my life, when I will be really shamed of being a Pakistani ....

I really do not care, if people call me conservative / pessimist and un mindful, dull etc etc .

Oh please, all you, who support women right and such stupid activities (Pakistani Idol) .... do not create so much confusions in society .... do not force us to think about migration (HIJRAT) to save our faith or we die with the pain that we are going towards destruction day by day ..... (Indirectly)

Dr. Hina Zafar attends the University of Veterinary and Animal Sciences (UVAS), Lahore, Pakistan

URL: http://www.newageislam.com/the-war-within-islam/by-dr-hina-zafar/the-anguish-of-a-two-nation-theorist--pakistan-is-becoming-too-liberal,-men-are-singing-and-dancing,-women-are-playing-kabaddi!/d/34810

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Some Comments on Press Pakistan


Dear People,

I am not sure that I am allowed to express my feelings or share my opinion here, yet I find myself here in need to mention that promoting a culture where women have equal rights with men is good but the way they are given opportunities must be cross checked and examined through strict policies.

What we think is modernization?? It is a basic query that arises whenever we see something unexpected or awkward on our TV channels, read it in newspapers or listen through any kind of media.

Here I will like you all to go back in the past for about 10 to 15 years. You can ask your elders about the rape cases or divorce ratio in their time. I am sure, first of all they will feel hesitant or reluctant to answer such a question, even if they are liberal they will tell that only a few cases or annual basis were there. But now a days, increase in the number of both the illegal acts has increased to an extent where it should be curbed iron handedly.

News like rape of a 04 years, 05 years, 06 years minor or kidnapping/rape/murder of a female create two different impacts on the minds of two different audiences. One will think that whatever happened is wrong and this must not happen again whereas the other will think that it could be done (means a person with negative approach who was not in a mood of raping a kid will now do it after watching the said news).

Hence, the audiences and the media are requires training and education. The immaturity of both the media and audience is causing increase in frustration level in both genders.

I once again am sorry if my words were hard to digest or they hurt anyone. May ALLAH bless us all with wisdom and success Ameen.

(Rizwan Khan)

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Imtiaz Gul

Bokhari sahib is right. Going by Hina's account, there is space for female sports, music, recreation in Islam . It's all about restricting women to home, denying them freedom of movement and action, about mourning and wailing and about living the way people lived thousands of years ago. It seems there is no space for the other belief, disagreement but acceptance only of those who agree to agree. Welcome to the Stone Age!

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Nazir Bhatti  

Why not you feel ashamed on brothels where women are sex slaves in every city of Pakistan? Do Islam allow prostitutes nor women athletes?  Why not social justice and equal rights for women in Pakistan where honor killing of women is at rise. Who awarded you degree of doctor and why you earned it?

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As far as liberty in religion is concerned, is there any religion in the world that allows a half naked woman to appear before a stranger??

If there is any?? Please let me know, I will surely love to read the details about that religion.

Many of the people often get confused in respect and liberty, Islam gave a lot of respect to all the women with the liberty to choose their life partners. If there is anything else Quran/Hadees says, please let me know. I really feel myself eager to read about it..

Don’t forget to mention the references.

(Rizwan Khan)

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Syed Naeem Bukhari, Islamabad

Totally agreed with Dr Hina, We forget our basic principals...

Zohaib Eli

03334472200

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Naeem Bukhari <naeembukhari@yahoo.com>

Dear Dr Hina!

I don't know what type of Islam you contain with you! But I know one important thing that it's only PAKISTAN where it's citizen's religious  Islam is threatened by all those actions which are personally denied by one's own attitude. World has about 57 Muslim countries but Pakistan is only guardian of Islam where citizens have to pledge their all lives and civic liberty on the name of Islam!

Please note one thing, on the day of judgement God will ask you about your sins and good but not mine. For God sake do not misguide the nation

On the name if your own so called Islam which exploits individuals own civic freedom!

Thanks and best regards

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11 Dec 2013

From: syedirfanashraf@gmail.com

Sorry mam. Mufti like u termed printing machine and learning English Haram in past  and have banned girls education these days. Now u going for banning women sports. What about charity begins at home?  Will u be first surrendering ur income routed through Haram banking system (interest system is amongst worst of all sins).  Why not surrender ur degree as no where in Quran women are allowed to go through physiology and forensic books? Many mullahs see these books obscene just like u see women sports. Mind u, Islam is not against any culture, as u have expressed ur hate for Indians. Islam is against the wrong acts of a particular group or individual, as for my poor knowledge is concerned.      

Fayyaz mangi

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Zafar sheikh <zafarmsheikh@hotmail.com>

For Heaven’s Sake Mr Irfan

This forum is for mindful educated people having all opportunities to differ and let differ

You can’t object Hina for Imposing

She has just placed her viewpoint for which many will agree (Me too) and some will differ

If u have any argument against it pl come forward we are ready to hear but just labeling her as Taliban is extremely unfortunate and reflect a sick mind.

Whatever Dr Hina pointed out is common issue of mutual discussion and being Muslim we have to look all our day to day problems, difficulties and issues in the Light of Quran and Hadith.

Hina keep it up

You really surprised me ......

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Adeelsaeedapp <adeelsaeedapp@yahoo.com>

Dr Hina

You have rightly reflected the concern felt by a devoted Muslim over observing the interpretation of Islam being practiced in our country.

Adeel Saeed

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Irfan Ashraf <syedirfanashraf@gmail.com>

Bibi you lived your life. Now let others live. Your mindset has imposed on us people like Taliban and ISI. What else you want from Pakistan.

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From: Hina Zafar

Sent: 11/12/2013

Mudssar Gujar <mudssargujar@gmail.com>

I agree with u word by word have you wrote hare and pray for Muslims and Pakistan Allah forgave us give us right way Amin

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11 Dec 2013 22:12:19 +0500

Kanwar Muhammad Dilshad <kmdilshad@hotmail.com>

Dr   Hina has rightly indicated the issues ours government has lost its ideology 

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Dear Dr. Hina,

Your frustration is completely understandable. But we also have to keep in mind that in Islam every kind of thought, creed, religion, race, and gender is allowed to do peacefully whatever the social concept of life is suitable to them to follow. Iran is a classic example of it. Where moderates and fundamentalists are free to do whatever they like but it has to be under the constitution and rule of law of the country which certainly marry with Islamic injunctions. The far cry from in our society at all levels as you mentioned is due to sub standard (actually double standard) policies. Everywhere in the world good policy is the good politics but in our society and country rivers are flowing upwardly. And this sentence covers all.  Kakistokracy is our dilemma. Without going into any further comments I would only extend my conviction that we need a hugely grave overhauling after which we can build up a modern Islamic welfare society in order to meet the pace of all millennia to come. You are a doctor and  don't need to be enlighten that where, when, how and by whom this huge major surgery must be performed! Henceforth, only robustly strong, transparently credible, staunchly reliable, sacredly honest, and sustainably deliverable  leadership and statesmanship is the answer to have this overhaul done. For the study sake  a link is being posted to conceptualize, the vision for Pakistan.

http://www.ikdar.org/projects/vision-for-pakistan.htm

Dabbir Tirmzy

IKDAR

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gul fraz

Dec 16

Respectable All,

The majority of people have not under stood the beauty and importance of women. My mother, wife, daughters and my sisters are the pillar of my family and love bond. Their beauty and purity of womb in fuses very strong bond amongst the brothers and sisters.  

The true respect to the women is given by Islam encompassing all the sphere of her life and west has only made her an entertainment tool. The true representation of their women is nun; the way she appears in public.

The women folk will have to reconsider their choice of liberalism. Islam does not forbid women from any work but lays down, how and where a particular action must be done by her. 

Once again reconsider the sanity of women. No women sports before men Spectators

PLEASE

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anjum_economist    

Dec 18

Dr Hina - is she a medical doctor or a Phd doctor?

I have big problems with medical doctors using the title Dr. - medical doctors can use Dr as long as they are actively practicing medicine but in Pakistan, medical doctors are using the title doctor to pose as PhD doctors. Incidentally the D of PhD stands for Doctor and Ph stands for Philosophy. All PhDs have the privilege of using the title of Dr which means a doctor or expert of some art, social or natural science.

I do not wish to waste my time in commenting upon the Stone Age ideas of Ms Hina whosoever she is. 

Dr. Anjum Siddiqui

Professor of Economics

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husain naqi   

Dec 18

Islam as practiced in our times is different from what prophet (PBUH) had preached and which was not practiced by its 'followers' even for a whole century. in present times women ,girls and girl child are amongst the must discriminated against in muslim majority countries. they are prevented from studying subjects of their choice and enter into marriage with males of their choice. hundreds of other restrictions are faced by females of all age groups. they are not recgonsed as persons in their own right but as mother,sister,waife,daughter,maid etc.,.liberal muslim females should choose the way they want to live.

Husain naqi

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013

zaairhussain  

Dec 18

As a proponent of free speech, free expression and freedom to live our lives as we see fit (without stealing from another)

I support Kabadi, male and female, even though I have no interest in the sport

I support fashion shows, even if they are vacuous and I have little interest in attending

I support Dr. Hina's right to talk about how utterly ashamed she is of Pakistan.

It’s ok Dr Hina. I was ashamed of Pakistan just the other day, when I read the fiftieth story of Ahmadi's being targeted (this time, for reading the Quran in public) and Malala being made out to be a superspy from the CIA from before her teens.

But because free expression is so important, I support your right to stay here and complain about how we are showing tiny signs of moving with the rest of the world, and I support your right to leave to, say, Saudi, where you as a woman will be put into a burqa and have your movements constantly monitored and curtailed. If that is your idea of righteousness,  go then to Thy Kingdom Come.

Still though, I would have thought that Pakistan, with its demonization of female sexuality, its honor killings and acid throwings, would be enough for you. 

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husain naqi   

Dec 18

well composed mr. zair,

right to free speech be respected but dr. hina should also respect this right for others like us.

god bless you both,

Husain naqi

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18 Dec 2013

Anis Haroon  

Dec 18

How true Anjum Siddiqi. Very unfortunate that such people who consider themselves so called Gaurdians of Islam don't see the real problems n sufferings of common people.

Anis Haroon

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18 Dec 2013

gulrezmojez  

Dec 18

Will all the people who still live by the two nation theory pl explain what happened to it on December 16, 1971? Can the people who want to practice and propagate Islam please guide us which Islam do we follow? Of the ones who are slaughtering or those who are getting slaughtered.

Can Ms. Hina and those in agreement with her philosophy pl enlighten us through the Holy Book where it allows Muslims to kill fellow muslims. Can she tell us if followers of any other faith have killed more muslims than muslims themselves. Whether it is Siffin, Jamal, Nehrvan, Karbala, Iran/Iraq war, Libya civil war and now Syrian conflict.

Can anyone please also explain why muslims are most threatened in a country created for the muslims, by the muslims?

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gul fraz        

Dec 19

Dear Gulraze

Before; I pen down my views I am conscious of my limitations and most conspicuous is that I am not authority on Islam.

You have raised many questions but I think one answer may give the solution to other.

You writing gives insight that you have attained very high degree of intelligence must be through hard work. So if you take little more pains to understand Islam with the help and guidance of Almighty you would be guided to right answers.  The first thing in this direction is that bow before Almighty in a way he wants you.

What is happening in my beloved country is that we have become puppets in the hands of nonbelievers for lust of dollars.

In a way it is new war between two systems, Capitalism and Islam. The capitalism feels threatened by Islam.

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gulrezmojez  

Dec 19

Gul Fraz sb

Who will decide the right way of bowing before Almighty? The deobandis, barelvis, Ahl e Hadis, Shafais, Malikis, Hanbalis, Shias, Bohris or other shash Imamis.

And capitalists are afraid of Islam which is why all muslims are cutting each others throats to defeat capitalism. This is a unique logic, I must say.

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zaairhussain  

Dec 19

Countries with women who are free to do as they wish (indicators like the jobs open to them, independent incomes, not demonizing their bodies, participation in sports etc. etc. tend to be doing much better, in terms of quality of life for ALL its citizens, than the countries which are oppressive or restrictive to women. We should take the hint.

Capitalism is not threatened by Islam.

However, none of this is important. If you don't like female kabadi (ridiculous that a thread on so minute a topic, when people are being crushed under poverty and being murdered every day here, has gone on so long) don't watch it. If you believe the people watching and participating are sinning, pray for their souls, or just leave them to face their Creator.

It's not YOUR soul.

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Dec 19

Dear All!

Assalam-o-Alaikum.

Before u take a position, I strongly recommend that the illuminating verses (Ayaats) contained in Surah "Annur" & Surah "Al-Ahzaab" of

Al-Quraan as well as relevant authentic Ahadees of the Prophet

PBOH included in Bukhari & Muslim be studied and considered with

an open mind.

Sincerely,

Prof. Engr. Zaki-ud-Din Sheikh

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19-Dec-2013,

Zaair Hussain

Countries with women who are free to do as they wish (indicators like the jobs open to them, independent incomes, not demonizing their bodies, participation in sports etc. etc. tend to be doing much better, in terms of quality of life for ALL its citizens, than the countries which are oppressive or restrictive to women. We should take the hint.

Capitalism is not threatened by Islam.

However, none of this is important. If you don't like female kabadi (ridiculous that a thread on so minute a topic, when people are being crushed under poverty and being murdered every day here, has gone on so long) don't watch it. If you believe the people watching and participating are sinning, pray for their souls, or just leave them to face their Creator.

It's not YOUR soul.

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2013

Gul Fraz sb

Who will decide the right way of bowing before Almighty? The deobandis, barelvis, Ahl e Hadis, Shafais, Malikis, Hanbalis, Shias, Bohris or other shash Imamis.

And capitalists are afraid of Islam which is why all muslims are cutting each others throats to defeat capitalism. This is a unique logic, I must say.

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19 Dec 2013

Dear Gulraze

Before; I pen down my views I am conscious of my limitations and most conspicuous is that I am not authority on Islam.

You have raised many questions but I think one answer may give the solution to other.

You writing gives insight that you have attained very high degree of intelligence must be through hard work. So if you take little more pains to understand Islam with the help and guidance of Almighty you would be guided to right answers.  The first thing in this direction is that bow before Almighty in a way he wants you.

What is happening in my beloved country is that we have become puppets in the hands of nonbelievers for lust of dollars.

In a way it is new war between two systems, Capitalism and Islam. The capitalism feels threatened by Islam.

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18 Dec 2013

Will all the people who still live by the two nation theory pl explain what happened to it on December 16, 1971? Can the people who want to practice and propagate Islam please guide us which Islam do we follow? Of the ones who are slaughtering or those who are getting slaughtered.

Can Ms. Hina and those in agreement with her philosophy pl enlighten us through the Holy Book where it allows Muslims to kill fellow Muslims. Can she tell us if followers of any other faith have killed more Muslims than Muslims themselves. Whether it is Siffin, Jamal, Nehrvan, Karbala, Iran/Iraq war, Libya civil war and now Syrian conflict.

Can anyone please also explain why Muslims are most threatened in a country created for the Muslims, by the Muslims?

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Dec 12, 2013

Dear Dr. Hina,

Your frustration is completely understandable. But we also have to keep in mind that in Islam every kind of thought, creed, religion, race, and gender is allowed to do peacefully whatever the social concept of life is suitable to them to follow. Iran is a classic example of it. Where moderates and fundamentalists are free to do whatever they like but it has to be under the constitution and rule of law of the country which certainly marry with Islamic injunctions. The far cry from in our society at all levels as you mentioned is due to sub standard (actually double standard) policies. Everywhere in the world good policy is the good politics but in our society and country rivers are flowing upwardly. And this sentence covers all.  Kakistokracy is our dilemma. Without going into any further comments I would only extend my conviction that we need a hugely grave overhauling after which we can build up a modern Islamic welfare society in order to meet the pace of all millennia to come. You are a doctor and  don't need to be enlighten that where, when, how and by whom this huge major surgery must be performed! Henceforth, only robustly strong transparently credible, staunchly reliable, sacredly honest, and sustainably deliverable  leadership and statesmanship is the answer to have this overhaul done. For the study sake  a link is being posted to conceptualize, the vision for Pakistan.

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miranda       

Dec 19

Zaair Hussain sb's comments have made me smile. Smile in agreement, that is!

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On 18-Dec-2013

As a proponent of free speech, free expression and freedom to live our lives as we see fit (without stealing from another)

I support Kabadi, male and female, even though I have no interest in the sport

I support fashion shows, even if they are vacuous and I have little interest in attending

I support Dr. Hina's right to talk about how utterly ashamed she is of Pakistan.

It’s ok Dr Hina. I was ashamed of Pakistan just the other day, when I read the fiftieth story of Ahmadi's being targeted (this time, for reading the Quran in public) and Malala being made out to be a superspy from the CIA from before her teens.

But because free expression is so important, I support your right to stay here and complain about how we are showing tiny signs of moving with the rest of the world, and I support your right to leave to, say, Saudi, where you as a woman will be put into a burqa and have your movements constantly monitored and curtailed. If that is your idea of righteousness,  go then to Thy Kingdom Come.

Still though, I would have thought that Pakistan, with its demonization of female sexuality, its honor killings and acid throwings, would be enough for you. 

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On Wed, Dec 18

Dr Hina - is she a medical doctor or a Phd doctor?

I have big problems with medical doctors using the title Dr. - medical doctors can use Dr as long as they are actively practicing medicine but in Pakistan, medical doctors are using the title doctor to pose as PhD doctors. Incidentally the D of PhD stands for Doctor and Ph stands for Philosophy. All PhDs have the privilege of using the title of Dr which means a doctor or expert of some art, social or natural science.

I do not wish to waste my time in commenting upon the Stone Age ideas of Ms Hina whosoever she is. 

Dr. Anjum Siddiqui

Professor of Economics

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Dec 16, 2013

Respectable All,

The majority of people have not under stood the beauty and importance of women. My mother, wife, daughters and my sisters are the pillar of my family and love bond. Their beauty and purity of womb in fuses very strong bond amongst the brothers and sisters.  

The true respect to the women is given by Islam encompassing all the sphere of her life and west has only made her an entertainment tool. The true representation of their women is nun; the way she appears in public.

The women folk will have to reconsider their choice of liberalism. Islam does not forbid women from any work but lays down, how and where a particular action must be done by her. 

Once again reconsider the sanity of women. No women sports before men Spectators

PLEASE

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12 Dec 2013

Bokhari sahib is right. Going by Hina's account, there is space for female sports, music, recreation in  Islam . It's all about restricting women to home, denying them freedom of movement and action, about mourning and wailing and about living the way people lived thousands of years ago. It seems there is no space for the other belief, disagreement but acceptance only of those who agree to agree. Welcome to the stone age!

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From: Naeem Bukhari

12 December 2013

Dear Dr Hina!

I don't know what type of Islam you contain with you! But I know one important thing that it's only PAKISTAN where it's citizen's religious  Islam is threatened by all those actions which are personally denied by one's own attitude. World has about 57 Muslim countries but Pakistan is only guardian of Islam where citizens have to pledge their all lives and civic liberty on the name of Islam!

Please note one thing, on the day of judgement God will ask you about your sins and good but not mine. For God sake do not misguide the nation

On the name if your own so called Islam which exploits individuals own civic freedom!

Thanks and best regards

Syed Naeem Bukhari, Islamabad

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12-Dec-2013

I agree with u word by word have you wrot hare and pray for muslams and Pakistan Allah forgave us give us right way Amin

fahad1581    

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Dec 19

I totally agree with what Dr Hina has said. But just because the motive of independence was based on the two nation theory does not merely means that it was the only basis. A nation and religion are two very different terms and shouldn't be confused with one another.

If they were to be the same, India wouln't have had more muslim population than us.

I would like to quote from one of the Sermons of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH:

“I am leaving two things among you, and if you cling to them firmly you will never go astray; one is the Book of Allah and the other is my way of life.” (Last Sermon on the Mount)

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19 Dec 2013

Hina Zafar    

Dec 19

And for all others ....

other issues which you people highlight are list at my list and Inshallah i get time , then for sure , I will try to express my point of view.

Its hopeless for me to see many comments above ..... :)  still fine, appreciated.  but i really wish if rather than critising my words, you would have tried to felt the pain  .....  try to respect female. and mind it female is not respected when she become public property. Thanks.

Mr Zaair, I know women violence too, but again my point is .... if we could properly understand Islam, then society would have been in a different shape, but its our bad luck that we forget our roots. those roots on the basis of which our elders created Pakistan .... and if I am not wrong again .... Pakistan base was two nation theory ..... in which one nation was Muslim, whose religion was supposed to be ISLAM.

Any ways, ALLAH bless you all. and for you Mr Anjum Sidiqui, If you could give me your address , I would love to send you my credentials, so that you could see, if I can use DOCTOR / DR title . Thanks.

Few more words at the end that ..... I am a simple human, trying to be a practicing Muslim too but like all you, I also mis my prayer sometime, I also forget to recite Holy Quran ........

Thanks & Regards,

Dr Hina

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Dec 19, 2013

:)

Interesting ....

by medical doctor you mean all those persons who did MBBS .... if I am not wrong .... MBBS stands for Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery .... right .... how come they are DOCTOR ....

Ok now technically speaking ....

PhD= Doctor of Philosphy .... they can use Dr

DVM= Doctor of Veterinary Medicine .... they can use Dr

Pharm D= Doctor of Pharmacy .... they can use Dr

so my dear Anjum Siddiqui , I hope my these concepts about Doctor term are not of stone age ..... !

Thanks

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gulrezmojez  

Dec 20

Ms. Hina

First things first. You talk about our roots. Our roots are that three out of four Caliphs were murdered. Not by RAW, or CIA, or Mossad, but by Muslims. Within four decades when sahaba were alive, we had Siffin, Jamal, Nehrwaan and Karbala.

The founder of the Nation belonged to a sect that is targeted and killed ruthlessly in the country he founded. People having names of the Prophet's family are butchered after checking their ID cards. And you are ashamed at watching a kabaddi match?

No Muslim worries for his life when praying in a mosque or attending a funeral in India, UK, US, Far East or Europe. But in the land of the Muslims, founded by the Muslims, for the Muslims, I am sure you know how safe, protected and at home we feel.

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Taha Siddiqui         

Dec 20

This forum has gone from discussion of journalistic standards to kindergarten talk because of such seemingly fake trolls like Dr. Hina.

Is there a way to block mails of specific ppl ? *hint hint*

Only serious replies r welcome.

TS

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Anis Haroon  

Dec 20

Dr.Hina only 2 countries in the world are created on the basis of religion Israel n pakistan.I have 3 questions.

.If it is correct then why east pakistan separated?

Why do we keep protesting n have not accepted Israel.

What about large no of muslims who became a minority in India?

Your pain is palpable and all respect for that but solution lies in separating religion from State.Tell us any theocratic state which is your ideal and women are not treated as property.

Anis Haroon

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Lala Hassan  

Dec 21

Dear Gulrez,

Your comments r very blunt but the Truth, that we as Muslims always deny & such state of denial has thrown us into the hands of militants.

Another very rightly raised point regarding separation of State affairs from religion stands wise suggestion.

Peace,

Lala Hassan,

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Strange Logic:

Need compromise when we are Wrong but demand Justice when others r wrong.

RAZZAQ CHISHTI      

Dec 21

وضع میں تم ہو نصاریٰ تو تمدن میں یہود ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ یہ مسلماں ہیں جنہیں دیکھ کے شرماءین یہود ۔۔۔۔ اقبال

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 Dec 21, 2013

محترم نعیم بخاری صاحب

بالکل اسلام شخصی آزادی کا قاءل ہے اور کسی کوزبردستی اسلام اختیار کرنے پر قاءل نہیں کرتا ۔۔۔۔ مگر جو لوگ خود مسلمان کہلانا پسند کریں اور مسلمان ہونیکا دعویٰ کریں اسلام ان سے یہ مطالبہ ڄرور کرتا ہے کہ وہ قر آن کی تعلیمات اورپیغمبر کے طرز زندگی کو نہ صرف اپناءیں بلکہ اپنی معاشرت پر اسکا نفاذ بھی کریں ۔

پاکستان کے نام سے ظاہر ہے کہ یہ مسلمان کہلانے والوں کا ملک ہے ، یہاں کی غالب ترین اکثریت یعنی اٹھانوے فیصد آبادی خود مسلمان کہتی ہے لہذا یہ کیسے ممکن ہو سکتا ہے کہ مسلمان کہلانے والے وہ سب کچھ کھلے عام کریں جسکی قرآن اور تعلیمات پیغمبر مذمت کریں اور ان سے باز رہنے کا حکم دیں ۔

اگر کسی کو شخصی ٓازادی کے نام پر یہ سب کچھ کرنا ہے تو جناب وہ اپنے گھر کی چار دیواری میں یٹھ کر یہ شوق کرے ۔۔۔۔۔ میدانوں ، بازاروں اور ٹی وی سکرینوں پر آ کر یہ گند نہ پھیلاءے ۔

کیونکہ قرآن کریم میں ہے کہ ۔۔۔۔۔ اور وہ لوگ جو معاشرے میں فحاشی و بے حیاءی کو پھیلانے کی کوشش کریں  سخت عذاب کے  مستحق ہیں ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

جناب عالی : آپ بالکل اپنی شخصی ٓازادی بروءے کار لاءیں مگر اپنے گھر میں ۔۔۔۔۔ مگر آپ سر عام ناچ گانا ،شراب نوشی ،عرینی اور فحاشی کو ثقافت کا نام دیکر مسلط کرنیکی کوشش کرینگے تومزاحمت ہوگی ۔۔۔۔۔

خدارا اپنی منشا و مرضی کو اسلام کا نام دیکر معصوم لوگوں کو گمراہ نہ کرو ۔۔۔

اسلام وہی ہے جو پیغمبر اسلا م نے ہمیں عطا کیا اور وہ ۔۔۔ ہمیں ۔۔۔۔۔امر بالمعروف و نہی عن المکر کا پابند کرتا ہے ۔۔۔۔۔

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Dec 21, 2013

وہ راءے کبھی معتبر نہیں ہو سکتی جو تعصب کے لبادے میں لپٹی ہوءی ہو ۔۔۔۔ را ،موساد اور سی ااءی اے   اسلام دشمن طبقات کے نءے اور جدید نام تو ہو سکتے ہیں مگر یہ تسلسل ہے یہو د نصاریٰ اور منافقین کی انہی سازشوں کا جو انہوں نے پیغمبر اسلام صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی حیات طیبہ میں ہی شروع کرد یں تھیں ، ہمارے ڄلیل القدر خلفا راشدین انہی سازشوں کا مقابلہ کرتے ہوءے اور ان گروہوں کو بے نقاب کرتے ہوءے بڑے ہی صبر اور استاقمت کیساتھ شہادت کی راہ پر گامزن رہے ۔۔۔۔

۔لہذا جو لوگ یہ خیال کرتے ہیں کہ خلفا راشدین مسلمانوں کی باہمی خانہ جنگی میں سلمانوں ہی کے ہاتھوں شہید ہوءے انہیں اپنے ایمان کا جاءزہ لینا ہوگا ۔۔۔۔۔۔

دوسری بات قاءد اعظم محمد علی جناح کے حوالے سے جو لوگ انکی وابستگی کسی فرقے سے جوڑتے ہیں وہ بد نیتی اور قاءد کی زندگی کو داغدار کرنیکی کوشش کے سوا کچھ نہیں ۔۔۔۔۔ قاءد کی زندگی اور انکا عمل اس بات کا گواہ ہے کہ وہ کھی بھی کسی فرقے سے منسلک نہ تھے اور خاص طور پر اس فرقے سے تو ہرگز نہیں جس کیساتھ انہیں نتھی کیا جا رہا ہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔ وہ صرف اور صرف خود کو مسلمان کہلانے میں فخر محسوس کرتے تھے ۔۔۔۔ میں تو اس پراپیگنڈے کو بھی انہی لوگوں کی کاررواءی سمجھتا ہوں جو معاشرے کو فرقہ واریت کی راہ پر چلا کر گلی گلی لڑاءی چاہتے ہیں ۔۔۔۔لہذا تمام پاکستانیوں انکا تعلق جس بھی مکتبہ فکر سے ایسے لوگوں کا کڑا احتساب کرنا چاہءے اور اپنے ارد گرد کا جاءزہ لیکرایسے لوگوں کو خود سے الگ کھڑا کرنا چاہءے ۔۔۔۔تاکہ لوگ جان سکیں کہ یہ فتنہ پرور کس کے ایجنٹ ہیں ۔

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Dec 20, 2013

Dr.Hina only 2 countries in the world are created on the basis of religion Israel n pakistan.I have 3 questions.

.If it is correct then why east pakistan separated?

Why do we keep protesting n have not accepted Israel.

What about large no of muslims who became a minority in India?

Your pain is palpable and all respect for that but solution lies in separating religion from State.Tell us any theocratic state which is your ideal and women are not treated as property.

Anis Haroon

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RAZZAQ CHISHTI      

Dec 21

وہ راءے کبھی معتبر نہیں ہو سکتی جو تعصب کے لبادے میں لپٹی ہوءی ہو ۔۔۔۔ را ،موساد اور سی ااءی اے   اسلام دشمن طبقات کے نءے اور جدید نام تو ہو سکتے ہیں مگر یہ تسلسل ہے یہو د نصاریٰ اور منافقین کی انہی سازشوں کا جو انہوں نے پیغمبر اسلام صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی حیات طیبہ میں ہی شروع کرد یں تھیں ، ہمارے ڄلیل القدر خلفا راشدین انہی سازشوں کا مقابلہ کرتے ہوءے اور ان گروہوں کو بے نقاب کرتے ہوءے بڑے ہی صبر اور استاقمت کیساتھ شہادت کی راہ پر گامزن رہے ۔۔۔۔

۔لہذا جو لوگ یہ خیال کرتے ہیں کہ خلفا راشدین مسلمانوں کی باہمی خانہ جنگی میں سلمانوں ہی کے ہاتھوں شہید ہوءے انہیں اپنے ایمان کا جاءزہ لینا ہوگا ۔۔۔۔۔۔

دوسری بات قاءد اعظم محمد علی جناح کے حوالے سے جو لوگ انکی وابستگی کسی فرقے سے جوڑتے ہیں وہ بد نیتی اور قاءد کی زندگی کو داغدار کرنیکی کوشش کے سوا کچھ نہیں ۔۔۔۔۔ قاءد کی زندگی اور انکا عمل اس بات کا گواہ ہے کہ وہ کھی بھی کسی فرقے سے منسلک نہ تھے اور خاص طور پر اس فرقے سے تو ہرگز نہیں جس کیساتھ انہیں نتھی کیا جا رہا ہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔ وہ صرف اور صرف خود کو مسلمان کہلانے میں فخر محسوس کرتے تھے ۔۔۔۔ میں تو اس پراپیگنڈے کو بھی انہی لوگوں کی کاررواءی سمجھتا ہوں جو معاشرے کو فرقہ واریت کی راہ پر چلا کر گلی گلی لڑاءی چاہتے ہیں ۔۔۔۔لہذا تمام پاکستانیوں انکا تعلق جس بھی مکتبہ فکر سے ایسے لوگوں کا کڑا احتساب کرنا چاہءے اور اپنے ارد گرد کا جاءزہ لیکرایسے لوگوں کو خود سے الگ کھڑا کرنا چاہءے ۔۔۔۔تاکہ لوگ جان سکیں کہ یہ فتنہ پرور کس کے ایجنٹ ہیں ۔

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Dec 20, 2013

Javed Akhtar

Dec 21

This is ridiculous to condemn someone like Dr Hina by a person none other than Tags Siddiqi who is MQM worker in garb of journalist and always spread hatred and dis-information on social media just to please his masters

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Ghulam Mustafa Lakho       

Dec 22

Dear non-religious fanatics, if there is any on this list of religious fanatics,

Please care to sign and share this petition in solidarity with non-Muslim and non-believer victims of the State Religion: The Secretary-General, United Nations: Recognize “The International Day Against State Religion” <http://www.change.org/petitions/the-secretary-general-united-nations-recognize-the-international-day-against-state-religion-5> in the light of 11 words of Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah: religion has nothing to do with the business of the State.

With best wishes and profound regards.

Yours truly,

G M Lakho, ASC

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latifsindhu    

Dec 21

Dr hina your concerns are quite pertinent, the problem is the different interpertations which people enact to hide the inner biases. It is not khaki segment which is to be blamed for every thing, after all they also rendered unfathomable sacrifices. so thought process should be unpartisan and unbiased the problem is the hypocracy which unfortunately is becoming the way of life. you have raised a good question and this fora is becoming vibrant which is good sign and a ray of hope.

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ali Kalbe      

Dec 21

Why are people getting too much personalised over the subject Dr Hina has rightfully pointed to something that is purely copying some hit American and Indian programmes, besides these are not really an essential things - and at the same those who say that the other extreme in Pakistan is equally bad maybe worse.

So nobody here and I am sure Dr Hina is not in favour of Mullaism with a wand to enforce their brand of thinking.

We all Pakistanis are neither on this religious extreme nor on that social liberal side.

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Jafar Askari  

Dec 21

Mr. Gulrez Mojez

By writing these few lines, you have proved that the people are still alive in our dead or stagnant society who thinks beyond the boundaries.  

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Dec 20, 2013

Taha Siddiqui         

Dec 21

Mr Abdul Razzaq

You quote Quran where God states one who spreads vulgarity (etc) deserves punishment.

And then u say such people should be dealt with harshly. So by that explanation ur taking on the role of God but as per Islamic belief u seem to forget tht there will be a judgement day where we all will be judged.

Stop imposing your version of Islam. Stop judging and calling for others' punishment like as if you are the only pious one around. Let us be nice to each other as humans and let God be a judge of our faith and belief.

And Mr. Javed Akhtar, MQM ? Seriously. Thts a first. Dr. Hina is an obvious fake. If u cannot grasp tht thn there is something seriously wrong with ur level of intellect deary.

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