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General Musharraf -- Is Justice Being Done? Debate Pakistani Journalists

 

Debate by Pakistani Journalists

I have never been a supporter of General Pervez Musharraf. I hate the way he dealt with the Judiciary in Pakistan. I believe he is the one who put Pakistan in lots of trouble. To me he is the one who...caused thousands of innocent Pakistanis death in the name of War against Terror.

 .......But ..this is something i believe....and Justice does not believe in beliefs....rather it needs solid evidence to prove somebody guilty.....

I am not convinced the way Pervez Musharraf has not been allowed to participate in Elections, in the name of Article of 62, 63...No court of the country has declared Musharraf guilty...As such he is innocent in the eyes of Law. Where the courts have allowed many politicians who were involved in fake degrees, land grabbing and other cases, I don’t understand why Musharraf was not allowed to take part in elections?  Nadia Mirza

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Dear journalist brother I second your opinion- Aitazaz Ahsan says this is an exam of judiciary- he is cent percent right. Judiciary has proved its independence but neutrality and yet to be proved. People are mature enough asking about the status of Arsalan Iftikhar case.

Nadia Mirza. TV Journalist. CNBC Pakistan. Sent from my BlackBerry® Smartphone provided by Ufone

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In its verdict, IHC stated that it was not the right forum for Musharraf and IHC don't have the authority to extend interim bail, my question is if you don't have the authority to extend bail, who gave you authority to cancel it??? I have to talk to some senior lawyers of judicial movement; they all said IHC should have directed Musharraf to appear before lower judiciary or relevant court for bail. Are they doing it to create sympathies for Musharraf in public???

Regards, Zulqarnain Iqbal, Associate Producer Capital TV, Member Governing Body RIUJ, Tariq Qayum

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Nadia, Neutrality? Which neutrality are we talking about? Just check out the background of the honourable judge, Mr. Shaukat Siddiqui, the one who cancelled Musharraf’s bail and u would know that he's a Jamaat e Islami loyalist. He contested elections in 2002 on JI seat, he was the defence counsel of Maulana Abdul Aziz in Lal Masjid case, and he was the defence counsel of an accused in Musharraf's life attempt case and much more. How can anyone, let alone Musharraf, expect neutrality from such a person.

I wonder what kind of judicial system we have. Advocates and lawyers who at one time were hard-core activists of political parties become judges and preside over cases in which they were a clear opposition. This is mockery of the judicial system. This system needs to be revamped from its very roots.

I also wonder why our media has never highlighted this great joke of our entire judicial system. Tariq

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Tariq I find it hard to believe but if you are saying so, this must be true. However, this system needs overhaul immediately. I am surprised too that media has not highlighted this aspect before. And even if media has not highlighted it, what is the selection criteria to chose judges who have been active in politics, or have strong affiliations with political parties.

Little wonder the country has come to this sorry state of affairs.  Tahir

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Thanks Tariq you said all which I couldn't but wanted to. As far as media is concerned who says media is enjoying freedom? No way! The only institution enjoying the term sacred cow is Judiciary.

You are absolutely correct how we can even expect unbiased judgment by a person who has been affiliated with politics.

Media is also not neutral- all players are towing agendas and coming up their personal grievances.

All the companions of Musharraf- enjoyed perks and incentives (politicians, journalists, bureaucrats, generals etc) should be accountable- why only Musharraf.

Nadia Mirza. TV Journalist. CNBC Pakistan

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With due respect I have objections on some of your points but instead of going to their merit and demerit, I would like to share few things with you and other journalist colleagues as food for thought.

Why Pervez Musharraf is returned?  And what Future role he calculated in Pakistani politics?

Though all assumptions but I believe that Musharraf is ready to face the courts, legal trial or highhandedness whatever you call it. He has definitely calculated room for playing any role and blatant corruption and disastrous failure of previous government has given him chance to come and try to explore available options.

He is Pakistani citizen having all the rights to come, participate in elections and make his own politic party, at the same time he is also answerable for his deeds during his 9 year tenure. Both will go side by side.

Let’s wait and see his role in politics and pl also accept criticism against him with open hearts.

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Dear All

It is not article 62 and 62 which barred Mush to contest the elections, rather it was his own Book 'In the Line of Fire' in which he admitted all his war crimes and these crime caused his exit. I wonder if court not take an action on written statement of a person admitting that 'I handed over Pakistani people to CIA'.

There is stomach in pain in some of the people regarding both the articles, which is uncalled for because none of the known and criminal having written admission may contest for any seat of public representation. Cheers, Razi Dada, Lahore

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Rizwan Razi is voicing as Dada in 'Dada Pota Show' which is a current affairs live radio program on FM 98.6 in Lahore and can be accessed at www.dadapota.pk

Very rightly pointed out that today our Judiciary has been made laughing stock, not only in Pakistan but all over world. Aspirations are being called on the so called impartiality of handpicked political ally oriented Judges having  prejudiced & biased  mind set.  But, what the gentleman having taken Oath under PCO for three times and still enjoying the life as Chief Justice.

Tahir, Believe me, it is true.

As for media, the reasons for them not highlighting this aspect are an open secret.

The criterion for selection of judges is nothing but recommendation of the Judicial Commission of Pakistan. So favouritism galore. In his particular case, the president initially refused to sign his appointment notice but after litigation, he had to. It's all so unfortunate.

Tariq

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No one is an angel, I shall be grateful if my journalist friends could draw a comparative analysis, is Musharraf worst in the lot? What he did, he did single handedly? He had no abetter in all his actions, please look into it with an open mind u can find all the state/non-state actors part and parcel of his deeds. FOOD FOR THOUGHT Best Regards Major Raza (Retd)

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There is another very important issue at stake. And that is the danger of carrying out a witch hunt on policy decisions instead of limiting any talk of accountability strictly to clear cut crimes.

 Governments have to deal with complex problems and sometimes even unpopular or controversial decisions have to be made. We can question the wisdom of the way Musharraf dealt with the issues of Baluchistan, Lal Masjid and Taliban/Al-Qaida, but we cannot declare a policy choice a crime, no matter how much we disagree with it. The fact remains that Bugti was no unarmed civilian. He was involved in an armed insurgency against the state. Similarly, the Lal Masjid was directly challenging the state's writ. The same is true of the Taliban, Al-Qaida and other militant groups within the country (including those factions who are using our soil to wage war in Afghanistan). Therefore, whatever the merits of the policy decisions made by Musharraf on these issues, trying him on these matters would set a very dangerous precedent. It would make it difficult for any future government to exercise all options while dealing with those who take up weapons against the state. The state does have the right to use force against such elements, and it is extremely myopic and dangerous to try and punish a head of state for making such a policy decision. Following this, are we tomorrow also going to demand a trial of General Kayani and Zardari for the military operation that liberated Swat from the Taliban's occupation?

…and media has also become highly politicised, every newspaper & tv channel has vested interest. Almost all known journalists and anchor persons (may be with some exceptions) are working on specific agendas.   Ayaz          

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'Judiciary has proved its independence?'

Yes, the judges and many in the media have repeated for thousands that the judiciary is independent now.

This is classic case of creating illusion of truth.

Look at the primary actors of the lawyer's movement:

1. Aitzaz Ahsan:

We know exactly where he stands today and it's a very slippery surface that he stands at. Be it the defence of the indefensible, such as the NRO or the Swiss letter, or taking up cases such as Baharia Town's etc.

2. The other leaders of the lawyer's movement - many of whose flip flops have been seen over the years.

3. The Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry himself.

Granted, he really relishes the limelight and almost every other day speaks of how independent the judiciary has been under his watch, but the following is also to be noted:

There has been a lot of focus - almost daily - on the judiciary coming through but in practical terms has the SC done to prevent corruption? Yes, you will come back with rental power, or who knows what else but here's the thing. Many persona occupying the offices including Rehman Malik etc had serious civil and criminal cases against them from ages - what happened to them? Who really paid for wrongdoing over the past 5 years? The only trophy, if that is one, is Gilani for the courts. But then who was Gilani anyways - this man was handpicked by Mr. Zardari - he himself had little say in the party and was nowhere close to be picked for PM if Mr Zardari hadn't picked him.

Now come to the other point - picking up a select few corruption stories making the newspapers and then making vague judgements after the fact without prosecuting or convicting anyone meaningfully is hardly called an effective or independent judiciary. Ever heard of a game called 'good cop bad cop'?

In terms of the case where the CJ did not know about his son's recently acquired 40 Crore rupees and the Benz or the trips that his other household members took abroad - the less that's said about that the better. And even if he didn't know, he did eventually find out. What happened then?

It's speculating on my part but in hindsight, I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyer's movement of 2007-08 was a sophisticated operation of discontented parties coming together aka the PPP and the CJ.

In any case, having said all that, all that is past now and Musharraf, though actually did move Pakistan forward on many fronts, despite what's repeated ad nauseam for the past 5 years and hence his 'the new reality', still has done several things that were wrong and if justice can be served, the better it is for everyone. Principally he came into power the wrong way and Nov 3 acts can also be called illegal. However, having the lawyer for Molana Abdul Aziz preside over his trial is a mockery of the system and is ill intentioned. However, I would not be surprised if the CJ, while continuing the eloquence of judicial independence, takes his revenge in this case.

Who gave Musharraf authority to deviate from the constitution under which he was sworn in as COAS. He deviated twice unlike his predecessors--Ayub Khan & Zia-ul Haq. Who gave him authority to be on US side especially when masses were against it. His last two years of being in power were the worst period when NROs politics & unprecedented in the whole world--i.e. dislodging the whole judicial system was introduced. He did all this to save his own skin. People like him have been responsible for backwardness of the country. All subsequent corruptions-- in the National institutions like state owned corporations, Railways & PIA took birth from the illicit womb of NROs & the country reached at the verge of getting declared a Failed State---Unlike INDIA & Bangladesh which managed to prosper & flourish. When will we learn to determine our National & Inside enemies? KHALID ANSARI

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Hi, thanks for sharing ur thoughts. One of the friends said that it was not article 62 or 63  but it was Musharraf's book which led to his disqualification. You may be right sir. But if Musharraf admitted handing over Pakistanis to USA there is no proof to it. There must have been some agreement for that. If every new govt does not own the policies and decisions of its predecessors then we will always move around in circles. If Musharraf's policies were anti Pakistan (to anybody) what about the present policies...Have we stopped drones? Is CIA out from Pakistan? To me handing over of Raymond Davis the murderer of 3 Pakistani young men was more criminal then handing over of a Pakistani terrorist to USA? If u let dozens of politicians take part in elections despite proven fake degrees. If more than 2 dozen r taking part in elections despite not verifying their degrees from HEC violating Supreme Court orders How can u disqualify Musharraf just for the reasons not proven in court.

Nadia, your analysis of the whole situation is praiseworthy and you will acknowledge that whatever I said is at the risk of my own freedom but I believe that saner voices should not remain silent anymore. We must call a spade, a spade and curb the extremist elements that have taken over our media. Tariq Qayum Aljazeera TV

Musharraf's crime of subverting constitution is proved beyond any doubt by the supreme court. His action of 3rd November 2007 was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Because of the flaw in-law that case of high treason can only be instigated by the federal government, this case has not been initiated. Despite of these facts, how can he be allowed to participate in election? Allowing other criminals in the elections is certainly a blunder. But one mistake does not justify another.  Naeem Miangul

I think Musharraf was the worst of all. His comparison could only be done with Zia and Ayoub who were also violators, liars, and hypocrites and had no regards for the rule of law. These dictators are mostly responsible for the present day mess. Let justice prevails and musharraf, the Tyrone, should be brought to justice to stop military adventures in future.  Thanks & Regards.

  Musharraf was and is an important leader in the planet who rules this country for ten years.

Only Musharraf is not accountable for all misdeeds but the background of takeover, character of judiciary, political parties, religious parties and legislative bodies. Aziz Mohmand

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I don't want to compare the military governments as the scenario was different. But I have one thing to say, I was living abroad from 1994 and every time I came back to Pakistan, all I encountered was corruption at all levels. Each year I will try to buy a piece of land in Islamabad, but go back empty handed because I did not want to pay bribe to CDA. I only got the opportunity to buy a plot at a single window without any extra payments in year 2000. Over the period of next six years I kept visiting Pakistan and felt that there was some progress. Our family felt welcomed at arriving at the airport immigration. What I am trying to say is that at the base level corruption was halted to some extent. After Mr. Musharraf’s departure things gone back to same disinterest from the authorities for common travellers. This is one of the examples I wanted to quote.

We brought each single dollar to Pakistan to help Pakistan but how Sharif, Zardari, and CJ and his family have looted. I have not forgotten my gracious and monthly contribution for QaRz utaro scheme, which was looted by all above.  There has been No investigation on the corruption of CJ and Sharif. Zardari's corruption has not been proven by Sharif and CJ because they all are looters.

Who says this form of democracy is best. World has different models. Judiciary is most corrupt where son of CJ and CJ's theft comes, it is different case. What is this society?

Very rightly said, no matter we may agree or disagree with the policies of General Musharraf, all said and done he is a true & patriot Pakistani, he is being denied his rights as common Pakistani. A biased Judiciary is blocking his way in politics in the name of Justice. Nowhere in the world it has every been seen such a vindictive Judiciary openly venting their grudge against a person, but silent majority of the people love him and shall vote for him.

All frauds and those who had openly looted this country have been allowed to contest the elections, except the one General Musharraf against whom not even a single instance of corruption has surfaced in last so many years.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on Musharraf. Yes I agree with you and can add that Well said and Well done. Thanks and regards Dr. Shahid A. Rajput 

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Maybe Musharraf is getting his just desserts -- only because he made the mistake of voluntarily coming back. But the criminal-politicians sitting here, including right at the top, continue to get away with decades of corruption, looting and murder. That is hypocrisy.

 Federal Shariat court has recommended that Jama Hafza be build at the same spot that should be children library - the Judiciary want troubles in Islamabad and we will blame the next govt for it.

The generals have always considered themselves above the law. Let one of the generals just taste the rule of law and have the experience as to how our people tile through the justice system in Pakistan. Good on the judiciary. Keep it up and let the unbridled army generals be made accountable without any fear and favour

 Whatever is happening to Musharraf is fine as long as it is done with dignity and keeping the courts as sacred. I think what lawyers are doing is totally wrong as Musharraf is an accused not a convict besides lawyer's activism for anybody in this manner is not a good sign of our judicial system.

Musharraf has done many wrong things but we must realize that he is the only army chief ending in court so it is a good beginning and we must respect our judicial system rather than trying to derail it. After all he was our president and represented Pakistan all over the world so some element of respect must be shown to him till such time that he is convicted in a court of law.

Just to add I have always been anti-Musharraf and do no support anything he did since Oct 1999 but that does not mean that I start going to the court with Lathis and hit him and his supporters.

Musharraf cornered himself leaving him few friends - consider this:

The liberals hate him because he represented the military, the politicians hate him because the 2 main parties were out of it for a decade, the rightwing and former military men hate him because they believe that he was crushing the religious right,

The pro Americans hate him because they say that he didn't put down the terrorists hard enough, the nationalists hate him because he was waging war against so-called his own people in the tribal areas etc.

In terms of pure levels of corruption, there is little doubt that there was far less corruption at that time as would be applicable to a common man - be that be in single window operations, green channels at airports, dealings with Wapda office/ptcl etc. amongst many others, the 2 acts of electronic registration of the population via NADRA and freeing of Media have set Pakistan with a strong foundation to build on. It's another thing that we weren't able to take advantage of that past 5 years. Once a capable govt comes in, it would be much easier to connect with and provide services to the population majority of which is electronically registered.

 He did not free media out of charity. He had to do it especially when Hamood ur Reman commission report was published by Indian Media. But again his dictatorial approach could not prevent him from shutting down same media he claimed having freed. He did not allow cross media restrictions until the issue was tabled & resolved in the Parliament.

All subsequent to him corruption would be on his account as it took birth out of illicit womb of NROs & dislodging the Judicial system of the society. These actions of him discouraged the civil society to the extent that people starting moving out. The Commando in him gave a damn to the Rule of Law as he could afford subverting Constitution under which he took oath. KHALID ANSARI

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Also, free media is not a favour to be given by any dictator, military or civil. It's a right of all citizens.

 Going into details of Mush's rule is not required basically his rule as CEO and president was illegitimate to start with.

However main question is that the judges who validated his rule and took oath PCO and approves LFO are not culprit themselves and can they prosecute him ?

 if Musharraf was responsible for BB's death as he failed in giving her fool proof security. Then what about those rulers, ruling Pakistan after Musharraf who failed in giving security to the people of Pakistan killed on daily basis in different terrorist attacks?

As in my view now days every Pakistani is a leader who is supporting his/her family.

I feel shame when political parties cry for security for elections. Do you think they were not aware of this when they were in power, when people of Pakistan looking for security and justice. Seeking for your views educate me this.

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Dear all We do not deserve to have good leaders. We seem to have pressed the "SELF DESTRUCT" button. Lets see where do we all go as a nation. Regards

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 Hi, I am joining hands with overseas Pakistanis to cut on remittances until the time the CJ, Sharif’s, and others dictators are in power.

It's our country and we cannot let them loot. Overseas Pakistanis feels bad about this.

CJ is maximum LLB and who know how he got this degree. But more importantly he does not feel accountable even when he steals petrol and diesel. There is no closure on that. Additionally, he uses mercerized when he is entitled to 1800cc car. Why should we send money for them to loot. Zeeshan,

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Nobody can and will educate you on this because everything happening in Pakistan has some political reasoning behind it and not logical reasoning. And with our politicians as slimey and slippery as eels, they will always escape even from the tightest noose. Tariq Qayum, Aljazeera

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Might is right, when Musharaf was in power the judges who are now crying against Musharaf taken oath pco and approved LFO, so what about them? if Musharaf is responsible for bibi death, but no one ask about thousands of Pakistani citizens killing every day in terror attacks. What about the past 5 year democratic government? are the rulers not responsible for killing of innocents citizens? Only Musharaf did wrong?........  Umar Daraz Wazir

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well, the govt 'takers' in Pakistan are working with a calculation that they likely have over ten million expatriates with a earning power of a hundred billion plus dollars. If they can even 2 or 3 percent of that, they are well in business. Thanks to tax evasion and sympathy money from expats, they can amass wealth that places them in upper echelons of the nation's elite. Whereas a member of parliament or local town/city mayor is an ordinary middle class person in the west, in Pakistan he/she is on the top of the pecking order.

How many aspiring and bright youngsters in the west aim for public jobs? the answer is not many - that is a reason why that so.

Absolutely right!

If there was everything wrong in Musharraf’s time, just some tell me wt the democratic govt did in last 5 years, rather they push all those deeds ahead.

Being a President Wt he did was accurate and was need of that time. Riaz

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Then what about the assembly and senate who provided these judges constitutional cover??? Why not to drag more than 800 members of provincial and national assemblies and senate to court??? ha ha ha ha ha ha ...............what a logic ...... Razi Dada, Lahore

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Rizwan Razi is voicing as Dada in 'Dada Pota Show' which is a current affairs live radio program on FM 98.6 in Lahore and can be accessed at www.dadapota.pk

Democracy is more illegal then Musharaf

Musharraf rule was accepted by majority even majority want army to rule

I did not like the way judiciary was handled by Musharraf and his known and unknown colleagues and advisers of that time. If the current SC has to arraign Musharraf for subverting the Constitution, it should also charge sheet those who abetted and legalised his  actions. I mean the then Chief Justice Irshad Hassan and his fellow judges who disregarded the repeated pleas of Mr. Anwer Aziz, baptized his rule and authorised him to amend the Constitution. And in return got their job tenures extended. Similarly it should try that holier than Archbishop

Becket, Rafiq Tarrar who even after his dismissal insisted on his Constitutional 'position' to serve the remaining years in the presidency. The present Chief Justice knows the whole story and he should lodge an FIR against not only those who delivered the baby but those whose blessed it and fed it the Holy Waters. Musharraf did not engineer the coup; he was not even near the territorial waters of Pakistan at that time. So the charge of treason will not hold water against him. He inherited a situation and made the best or worst use of it. But the others including Irshad Hassan Khan and the then Law Secretary Fakir Hussain who later became a colleague of most of the present judges on the SC cannot escape responsibility.

Yes Doctor Saheb There is no doubt that the Judges as interpretation & Custodians of Constitution & Law --who validated his unconstitutional steps were bigger than him Traitors especially the then Chief Justice Irshad Hasan Khan. He had allowed not only whatever Musharraf asked for rather even what he did not ask for i.e. authority to amend constitution where the usurper thought fit. It is said he had got a loud & very powerful Whisper in his ears which made him dumb & deaf hence still he is sitting Silenltly. It’s high time that he should stand up & speak. I wrote a in lot in my Columns at that & subsequently as well. It is high time that the Parliament must get these issues resolved at least for those who are still alive.& can have some feelings of sentiments of the civil society as why the country was being dragged into stone age by these usurpers. KHALID ANSARI

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Ansari sb,

Let's not intentionally forget the sitting CJ. He was part and parcel of Justice Irshad Hasan Khan's set-up and this entire episode has his finger-prints all over it. Somebody needs to get the imprint transferred on paper. Tariq

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It’s a moment of deep introspection for all those who believe in rule of law and supremacy of justice: if the 17th Amendment indemnified all Musharraf acts, so did the 8th Amendment too which was a compromise between the worst of Pakistan's dictators and the parliament. 17thamendment contains many forward-looking, progressive steps like the local government, enhanced women’s representation, private electronic media, and many other things, while the 8th Amendment sanctified controversial Islamic ordinances into law and led Pakistan to its current socio-political disorder. Its not about Musharraf alone; it’s about the rule of law; what is acceptable as a law, not only internally but internationally too. Who laid the foundations of what, is the question we must ask ourselves. Try Musharraf according to the law of the land but do not allow this trial turn into a vicious witch-hunt of somebody who returned by his own will.

Why we are so much concern about Musharraf's arrest and trial. Yes, like any citizen he should also be given fair hearing and fair trial. But we should not confuse ourselves between the "fair trial and no trial." After all it was his decision to enter into practical politics after remaining as President of Pakistan and Army Chief for almost 10 years. Lock ups, prison, conviction, protest etc are part and parcel of politics so let him face it. Let all his supporters and party workers stage protest, which is their legal and constitutional rights. Those who are so concern about his detention in his save "Farm House," must remember how Nawaz Sharif was humiliated on a plane by General Mahmood and Co. at the PM House on Oct 12, 1999. They should also remember how he was handcuffed? He was confined at Landhi and Attock jails from where he uses to come in APC to the court. In politics some great politician even faces death with courage. Yes, Gen Musharraf must disclose the conspiracy of October 12 as well as Nov 3. He must also inform the nation how he influenced the court to get legitimacy? The Parliament of 2002 was equally responsible. Gen Musharraf should also inform the nation about how much benefit he gave to politicians and also named them. He is the one who can bring facts and record during the trial. So let the trial take place and he must be given fair trial, However, it is better if he avoid taking advices from people who advised him to go to Pakistan. Mazhar 

Well said Imtiaz. That is the sane, serious and mature approach we need to adopt. No need for witch hunt but past mistakes need to be rectified to which Mr Mahmud alludes to in his post. Tahir, Singapore

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Mazhar, nobody is asking about no trial.trial is a must to set examples. Nothing and nobody is above or beyond law. This is what we need to establish!

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To Mazhar, Press Pakistan

Mush cannot be tried by any court under article6. Only Parliament could have done it but in pursuance of Supreme Court decision they felt at ease to follow suit.  But he must be tried for the murders of BB & Bugti. There is enough evidence against him. Hakim Baluch

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Why we are so much concern about Musharraf's arrest and trial. Yes, like any citizen he should also be given fair hearing and fair trial. But we should not confuse ourselves between the "fair trial and no trial." After all it was his decision to enter into practical politics after remaining as President of Pakistan and Army Chief for almost 10 years. Lock ups, prison, conviction, protest etc are part and parcel of politics so let him face it. Let all his supporters and party workers stage protest, which is their legal and constitutional rights. Those who are so concern about his detention in his save "Farm House," must remember how Nawaz Sharif was humiliated on a plane by General Mahmood and Co. at the PM House on Oct 12, 1999. They should also remember how he was handcuffed? He was confined at Landhi and Attock jails from where he use to come in APC to the court. In politics some great politician even faces death with courage. Yes, Gen Musharraf must disclose the conspiracy of October 12 as well as Nov 3. He must also inform the nation how he influenced the court to get legitimacy? The Parliament of 2002 was equally responsible. Gen Musharraf should also inform the nation about how much benefit he gave to politicians and also named them. He is the one who can bring facts and record during the trial. So let the trial take place and he must be given fair trial, However, it is better if he avoid taking advices from people who advised him to go to Pakistan. Mazhar 

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Ansari sb,

Let's not intentionally forget the sitting CJ. He was part and parcel of Justice Irshad Hasan Khan's set-up and this entire episode has his finger-prints all over it. Somebody needs to get the imprint transferred on paper. Tariq

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Yes Doctor Saheb There is no doubt that the Judges as interpretation & Custodians of Constitution & Law --who validated his unconstitutional steps were bigger than him Traitors especially the then Chief Justice Irshad Hasan Khan. He had allowed not only whatever Musharraf asked for rather even what he did not ask fo i.e. authority to amend constitution where the usurper thought fit. It is said he had got a loud & very powerful Whisper in his ears which made him dumb & deaf hence still he is sitting Silently. It’s high time that he should stand up & speak. I wrote a in lot in my Columns at that & subsequently as well. It is high time that the Parliament must get these issues resolved at least for those who are still alive.& can have some feelings of sentiments of the civil society as why the country was being dragged into stone age by these usurpers. KHALID ANSARI

Democracy is more illegal then Musharaf

Musharraf rule was accepted by majority even majority want army to rule

Going into details of Mush's rule is not required basically his rule as CEO and president was illegitimate to start with.

However main question is that the judges who validated his rule and took oath PCO and approves LFO are not culprit themselves and can they prosecute him ?

Dr Ashraf Chohan, Office.  6 Bendall Mews, London NW1 6SN

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Also, free media is not a favour to be given by any dictator, military or civil. It's a right of all citizens.

He did not free media out of charity. He had to do it especially when Hamood ur Reman commission report was published by Indian Media. But again his dictatorial approach could not prevent him from shutting down same media he claimed having freed. He did not allow cross media restrictions until the issue was tabled & resolved in the Parliament.

All subsequent to him corruption would be on his account as it took birth out of illicit womb of NROs & dislodging the judicial system of the society. These actions of him discouraged the civil society to the extent that people starting moving out. The Commando in him gave a damn to the Rule of Law as he could afford subverting Constitution under which he took oath.

 KHALID ANSARI

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Musharraf cornered himself leaving him few friends - consider this:

The liberals hate him because he represented the military, the politicians hate him because the 2 main parties were out of it for a decade,  the rightwing and former military men hate him because they believe that he was crushing the religious right,

The pro Americans hate him because they say that he didn't put down the terrorists hard enough, the nationalists hate him because he was waging war against so-called his own people in the tribal areas etc etc.

In terms of pure levels of corruption, there is little doubt that there was far less corruption at that time as would be applicable to a common man - be that be in single window operations, green channels at airports, dealings with Wapda office/ptcl etc. amongst many others, the 2 acts of electronic registration of the population via NADRA and freeing of Media have set Pakistan with a strong foundation to build on. It's another thing that we weren't able to take advantage of that past 5 years. Once a capable govt comes in, it would be much easier to connect with and provide services to the population majority of which is electronically registered. Ayaz

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I don't want to compare the military governments as the scenario were different. But I have one thing to say, I was living abroad from 1994 and every time I came back to Pakistan, all I encountered was corruption at all levels. Each year I will try to buy a piece of land in Islamabad, but go back empty handed because I did not want to pay bribe to CDA. I only got the opportunity to buy a plot at a single window without any extra payments in year 2000. Over the period of next six years I kept visiting Pakistan and felt that there was some progress. Our family felt welcomed at arriving at the airport immigration. What I am trying to say is that at the base level corruption was halted to some extent. After Mr. Musharraf’s departure things gone back to same disinterest from the authorities for common travellers. This is one of the examples I wanted to quote.

We brought each single dollar to Pakistan to help Pakistan but how Sharif, Zardari, and CJ and his family have looted. I have not forgotten my gracious and monthly contribution for QaRz utaro scheme, which was looted by all above.  There has been No investigation on the corruption of CJ and Sharif. Zardari's corruption has not been proven by Sharif and CJ because they all are looters.

Who says this form of democracy is best. World has different models. Judiciary is most corrupt where son of CJ and CJ's theft comes, it is different case. What is this society?

Amir Hasan

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Musharraf was and is an important leader in the planet who rules this country for ten years.

Only Musharraf is not accountable for all misdeeds but the background of takeover, character of judiciary, political parties, religious parties and legislative bodies. Aziz Mohmand

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I think Musharraf was the worst of all. His comparison could only be done with Zia and Ayoub who were also violators, liars,  hypocrites and had no regards for the rule of law. These dictators are mostly responsible for the present day mess. Let justice prevails and musharraf, the Tyrone, should be brought to justice to stop military adventures in future.  Thanks & Regards. Naeem Miangul 

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No one is an angel, I shall be grateful if my journalist friends could draw a comparative analysis, is Musharraf worst in the lot? What he did, he did single handedly? He had no abetter in all his actions, please look into it with an open mind u can find all the state/non-state actors part and parcel of his deeds.

 FOOD FOR THOUGHT Best Regards Major Raza (Retd)

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Dear All

It is not article 62 and 62 which barred Mush to contest the elections, rather it was his own Book 'In the Line of Fire' in which he admitted all his war crimes and these crime caused his exit. I wonder if court not take an action on written statement of a person admitting that 'I handed over Pakistani people to CIA'.

There is stomach in pain in some of the people regarding both the articles, which is uncalled for because none of the known and criminal having written admission may contest for any seat of public representation.

Cheers Razi Dada Lahore

Rizwan Razi is voicing as Dada in 'Dada Pota Show' which is a current affairs live radio program on FM 98.6 in Lahore and can be accessed at www.dadapota.pk <http://www.dadapota.pk/>

I think Musharraf should get the same "fair trial" which all politicians have been getting.

The caretakers are too coward or biased to proceed with his trial. So rest assured the commando will get a fair trial.

Being a former general he will be getting more "fairness" than the others.

It’s  a shame that we get desperate to implement the blasphemy law even against poor mentally handicap children while the commando gets away desecrating the constitution and the judiciary.

Desecrating the constitution and judges is the worst form of blasphemy and the former General should  be punished in accordance with the law.

I hope he is not buried wrapped in the green flag and given a guard of honour like General Agha M.Yahya Khan and our great General Niazi. With rgds, Shahzad Badar 

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 Agreed to fullest with each n every word of Mazhar Abbas.

He was advised thrice indirectly by  Imran Khan over tv shows not to come to Pakistan  by stating that it is out of his understanding why he is coming to Pakistan? Over n above if care taker government does not pack Musharraf up in a private jet to Dubai before May 11th then rest assure he would also turn be the most precious witness to infamous NRO, Nawaz-Shahbaz exile deal,12th May carnage, Lal Mosque episode,BB(Benazir+Bugti)assassination and lot more items of Pandora's box. Convictions&witnessing together. And this catch 22 shall become worst clutch for him due to an above board government of Imran Khan after May 11th. It would be a pretty haunting and spooky sight.

 As Imran Khan is priceless and can't be bought so justice shall be served to all those at their door steps who enjoyed their lion's share from the bloody feast of power.

Dabbir Tirmzy

Founding Member

Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf

Why we are so much concern about Musharraf's arrest and trial. Yes, like any citizen he should also be given fair hearing and fair trial. But we should not confuse ourselves between the "fair trial and no trial." After all it was his decision to enter into practical politics after remaining as President of Pakistan and Army Chief for almost 10 years. Lock ups, prison, conviction, protest etc are part and parcel of politics so let him face it. Let all his supporters and party workers stage protest, which is their legal and constitutional rights. Those who are so concern about his detention in his save "Farm House," must remember how Nawaz Sharif was humiliated on a plane by General Mahmood and Co. at the PM House on Oct 12, 1999. They should also remember how he was handcuffed? He was  confined at Landhi and Attock jails from where he use to come in APC to the court. In politics some great politician even faces death with courage. Yes, Gen Musharraf must disclosed the conspiracy of October 12 as well as Nov 3. He must also inform the nation how he influenced the court to get legitimacy? The Parliament of 2002 was equally responsible. Gen Musharraf should also inform the nation about how much benefit he gave to politicians and also named them. He is the one who can bring facts and record during the trial. So let the trial take place and he must be given fair trial, however, it is better if he avoid taking advices from people who advised him to go to Pakistan. Mazhar 

Ansari sb, Let's not intentionally forget the sitting CJ. He was part and parcel of Justice Irshad Hasan Khan's set-up and this entire episode has his finger-prints all over it. Somebody needs to get the imprint transferred on paper. Tariq

Yes Doctor Saheb There is no doubt that the Judges as interpretation & Custodians of Constitution & Law --who validated his unconstitutional steps were bigger than him Traitors especially the then Chief Justice Irshad Hasan Khan. He had allowed not only whatever Musharraf asked for rather even what he did not ask for i.e. authority to amend constitution where the usurper thought fit. It is said he had got a loud & very powerful Whisper in his ears which made him dumb & deaf hence still he is sitting silently. Its high time that he should stand up & speak. I wrote a in lot in my Columns at that & subsequently as well. It is high time that the Parliament must get these issues resolved at least for those who are still alive.& can have some feelings of sentiments of the civil society as why the country was being dragged into stone age by these usurpers.  KHALID ANSARI

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Democracy is more illegal then Musharaf

Musharraf rule was accepted by majority even majority want army to rule

Going into details of Mush's rule is not required basically his rule as CEO and president was illegitimate to start with.

However main question is that the judges who validated his rule and took oath PCO and approves LFO are not culprit themselves and can they prosecute him?

Dr Ashraf Chohan

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Also, free media is not a favour to be given by any dictator, military or civil. It's a right of all citizens.

He did not free media out of charity. He had to do it especially when Hamood ur Reman commission report was published by Indian Media. But again his dictatorial approach could not prevent him from shutting down same media he claimed having freed. He did not allow cross media restrictions until the issue was tabled & resolved in the Parliament.

All subsequent to him corruption would be on his account as it took birth out of illicit womb of NROs & dislodging the judicial system of the society. These actions of him discouraged the civil society to the extent that people starting moving out. The Commando in him gave a damn to the Rule of Law as he could afford subverting Constitution under which he took oath. KHALID ANSARI

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 Musharraf cornered himself leaving him few friends - consider this:

The liberals hate him because he represented the military, the politicians hate him because the 2 main parties were out of it for a decade,  the rightwing and former military men hate him because they believe that he was crushing the religious right,

The pro Americans hate him because they say that he didn't put down the terrorists hard enough, the nationalists hate him because he was waging war against so-called his own people in the tribal areas etc etc.

In terms of pure levels of corruption, there is little doubt that there was far less corruption at that time as would be applicable to a common man - be that be in single window operations, green channels at airports, dealings with Wapda office/ptcl etc. amongst many others, the 2 acts of electronic registration of the population via NADRA and freeing of Media have set Pakistan with a strong foundation to build on. It's another thing that we weren't able to take advantage of that past 5 years. Once a capable govt comes in, it would be much easier to connect with and provide services to the population majority of which is electronically registered. Ayaz

I don't want to compare the military governments as the scenario was different. But I have one thing to say, I was living abroad from 1994 and every time I came back to Pakistan, all I encountered was corruption at all levels. Each year I will try to buy a piece of land in Islamabad, but go back empty handed because I did not want to pay bribe to CDA. I only got the opportunity to buy a plot at a single window without any extra payments in year 2000. Over the period of next six years I kept visiting Pakistan and felt that there was some progress. Our family felt welcomed at arriving at the airport immigration. What I am trying to say is that at the base level corruption was halted to some extent. After Mr. Musharraf’s departure things gone back to same disinterest from the authorities for common travellers. This is one of the examples I wanted to quote.

We brought each single dollar to Pakistan to help Pakistan but how Sharif, Zardari, and CJ and his family have looted. I have not forgotten my gracious and monthly contribution for QaRz utaro scheme, which was looted by all above.  There has been No investigation on the corruption of CJ and Sharif. Zardari's corruption has not been proven by Sharif and CJ because they all are looters.

Who says this form of democracy is best. World has different models. Judiciary is most corrupt where son of CJ and CJ's theft comes, it is different case. What is this society? Amir Hasan

Musharraf was and is an important leader in the planet who rules this country for ten years.

Only Musharraf is not accountable for all misdeeds but the background of takeover, character of judiciary, political parties, religious parties and legislative bodies. Aziz Mohmand

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 I think Musharraf was the worst of all. His comparison could only be done with Zia and Ayoub who were also violators, liars, and hypocrites and had no regards for the rule of law. These dictators are mostly responsible for the present day mess. Let justice prevails and Musharraf, the Tyrone, should be brought to justice to stop military adventures in future.  Thanks & Regards. Naeem Miangul

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No one is an angel, I shall be grateful if my journalist friends could draw a comparative analysis, is Musharraf worst in the lot? What he did, he did single handedly? He had no abetter in all his actions, please look into it with an open mind u can find all the state/non-state actors part and parcel of his deeds.

 FOOD FOR THOUGHT Best Regards Major Raza (Retd)

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-Dear All It is not article 62 and 62 which barred Mush to contest the elections, rather it was his own Book 'In the Line of Fire' in which he admitted all his war crimes and these crime caused his exit. I wonder if court not takes an action on written statement of a person admitting that 'I handed over Pakistani people to CIA'.

There is stomach in pain in some of the people regarding both the articles, which are uncalled for because none of the known and criminal having written admission may contest for any seat of public representation.

Cheers Razi Dada Lahore

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Rizwan Razi is voicing as Dada in 'Dada Pota Show' which is a current affairs live radio program on FM 98.6 in Lahore and can be accessed at www.dadapota.pk <http://www.dadapota.pk/>

I have never been a supporter of General Pervez Musharraf. I hate the way he dealt with the Judiciary in Pakistan. I believe he is the one who put Pakistan in lots of trouble. To me he is the one who...caused thousands of innocent Pakistanis death in the name of War against Terror.

 .......But..this is something i believe....and Justice does not believe in beliefs....rather it needs solid evidence to prove somebody guilty.....

I am not convinced the way Pervez Musharraf has not been allowed to participate in Elections, in the name of Article of 62, 63...No court of the country has declared Musharraf guilty..As such he is innocent in the eyes of Law. Where the courts have allowed many politicians who were involved in fake degrees, land grabbing and other cases, I don’t understand why Musharraf was not allowed to take part in elections?

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Najma Sadeque

I think a nation should not try its armed forces chiefs; it doesn't behove the pride of a nation; this my personal view.

If we look back at our past we shall arrive to the point that almost 90% ills of this country had been because of Nincompoop & corrupt Judiciary. Right from 1958 whenever there had been a violation of a constitution, this judiciary sprang up to the forefront to legalise the illegal moves through jugglery of words by creating new termologies. We should also not forget that most of the present Judges are those who had taken oath under PCO and the most shining star of our Judiciary is someone who has taken oath thrice under PCO.

 The Military takeover of 1999 was absolutely a correct move, had that move not come into place, than our Chief of Armed Forces would have been in the custody of India. In fact in all fairness a trial of Nawaz Sharif should have taken Place rather than General Musharraf. All what happening with General Musharaf is a fraud?

Now, if at all any trial is necessitated to be taken, than all those who remained associated with that regime and had been instrumental in helping to legitimise any illegal moves got to face the trail including Sitting Chief Justice of Pakistan. It was not General Musharraf to be blamed only, whatever he did was in the interest of Pakistan. Adnan Khan

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He will never get a fair trial but he will expose so many secrets now.

C J himself is a criminal see his assets and his son. Pakistan has a recommendation culture on the highest level as well foreign powers are behind PPP and N-league and even MQM.

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Tirmzy,  Too many judgemental statements in too few a words.

Anyways, in what capacity did IK advise him not to return? Who is he?  Don't forget, Musharraf also advised BB not to return and got the blame for that advise after her assassination. Likewise, if something happens to Musharraf, what do you think, should the blame be given to IK?

And sorry to disagree with most of ur other assertions too. IK couldn't prove himself above the board even in his intra-party elections, ask your workers, running a govt is a million times difficult than running a party or a cricket team.

 Musharaf is facing courts and nothing is proved against him like so many politicians are contributing in elections and they also have cases in courts allow him to go in election and people will decide what they want.

Only these peoples are out of election who was not applied to contribute other ways all who applied are contributing in election and they have so many allegations.

 Care takers are puppets of PPP and N-league, MQM and ANP, all of them looters. They are so corrupt that they can’t open their mouth before Musharraf

as he was only boasting but not corrupt. I hope will come out without damaging

Pakistan as there are so many state secrets like Nawaz Sharif wanted to hand over to

India if he had succeeded in his designs.

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 Janab Tariq Qayyum Sahib,

I m sure you didn't read the sentence accurately I stated 'Imran Khan indirectly advised him’. Now coming to the capacities..Musharraf was carte blanche as president, cnc& chief executive having full access to all intelligence and was in the position to advise BB not to come. Or as the part of the conspiracy of her assassination. While Imran Khan has a political capacity as a democrat based on analysis of the past events for advising  Musharraf "indirectly" not to come back by stating that 'I can't understand why he is coming back? And as he is not the premier of the country yet so can't be reprimanded if anything happens to Musharraf. Zardari or Khoso could be taken into account in that wake. Oscar Wilde says' There is no sin except stupidity'.(courtesy by Saqlain Imam).And Musharraf has committed that sin.

Your second paragraph is  merely a disagreement so I respect it but disagree to your disagreement. He is haunting so many souls around domestically and internationally. Trust me on this. Dabbir Tirmzy

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 Too many judgemental statements in too few a words.

 Anyways, in what capacity did IK advise him not to return? Who is he?  Don't forget, Musharraf also advised BB not to return and got the blame for that advice after her assassination. Likewise, if something happens to Musharraf, what do you think, should the blame be given to IK?

 And sorry to disagree with most of ur other assertions too. IK couldn't prove himself above the board even in his intra-party elections, ask your workers, running a govt is a million times difficult than running a party or a cricket team. Tariq

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 Agreed to fullest with each n every word of Mazhar Abbas.

 He was advised thrice indirectly by Imran Khan over TV shows not to come to Pakistan by stating that it is out of his understanding why he is coming to Pakistan? Over n above if care taker government does not pack Musharraf up in a private jet to Dubai before May 11th then rest assure he would also turn be the most precious witness to infamous NRO, Nawaz-Shahbaz exile deal,12th May carnage, Lal Mosque episode, BB(Benazir+Bugti)assassination and lot more items of Pandora's box. Convictions &witnessing together. And this catch 22 shall become worst clutch for him due to an above board government of Imran Khan after May 11th. It would be a pretty haunting and spooky sight.

  As Imran Khan is priceless and can't be brought to justice shall be served to all those at their door steps who enjoyed their lion's share from the bloody feast of power.

 Dabbir Tirmzy, Founding Member Pakistan Tehreek e Insaf

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Why we are so much concern about Musharraf's arrest and trial. Yes, like any citizen he should also be given fair hearing and fair trial. But we should not confuse ourselves between the "fair trial and no trial." After all it was his decision to enter into practical politics after remaining as President of Pakistan and Army Chief for almost 10 years. Lock ups, prison, conviction, protest etc are part and parcel of politics so let him face it. Let all his supporters and party workers stage protest, which is their legal and constitutional rights. Those who are so concern about his detention in his save "Farm House," must remember how Nawaz Sharif was humiliated on a plane by General Mahmood and Co. at the PM House on Oct 12, 1999. They should also remember how he was handcuffed? He was confined at Landhi and Attock jails from where he use to come in APC to the court. In politics some great politician even faces death with courage. Yes, Gen Musharraf must disclose the conspiracy of October 12 as well as Nov 3. He must also inform the nation how he influenced the court to get legitimacy? The Parliament of 2002 was equally responsible. Gen Musharraf should also inform the nation about how much benefit he gave to politicians and also named them. He is the one who can bring facts and record during the trial. So let the trial take place and he must be given fair trial, however, it is better if he avoid taking advices from people who advised him to go to Pakistan. Mazhar

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Ansari sb, Let’s not intentionally forget the sitting CJ. He was part and parcel of Justice Irshad Hasan Khan's set-up and this entire episode has his finger-prints all over it. Somebody needs to get the imprint transferred on paper.  Tariq

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  Yes Doctor Saheb There is no doubt that the Judges as interpretation & Custodians of Constitution & Law --who validated his unconstitutional steps were bigger than him Traitors especially the then Chief Justice Irshad Hasan Khan. He had allowed not only whatever Musharraf asked for rather even what he did not ask fo i.e. authority to amend constitution where the usurper thought fit. It is said he had got a loud & very powerful Whisper in his ears which made him dumb & deaf hence still he is sitting Silently. It’s high time that he should stand up & speak. I wrote a in lot in my Columns at that & subsequently as well. It is high time that the Parliament must get these issues resolved at least for those who are still alive.& can have some feelings of sentiments of the civil society as why the country was being dragged into stone age by these usurpers. KHALID ANSARI

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Democracy is more illegal then Musharaf

 Musharraf rule was accepted by majority even majority want army to rule

Going into details of Mush's rule is not required basically his rule as CEO and president was illegitimate to start with.

 However main question is that the judges who validated his rule and took oath PCO and approves LFO are not culprit themselves and can they prosecute him?   Dr Ashraf Chohan

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  Also, free media is not a favour to be given by any dictator, military or civil. It's a right of all citizens.

 He did not free media out of charity. He had to do it especially when Hamood ur Rehman commission report was published by Indian Media. But again his dictatorial approach could not prevent him from shutting down same media he claimed having freed. He did not allow cross media restrictions until the issue was tabled & resolved in the Parliament.

 All subsequent to him corruption would be on his account as it took birth out of illicit womb of NROs & dislodging the judicial system of the society. These actiions of him discouraged the civil society to the extent that people starting moving out. The Commando in him gave a damn to the Rule of Law as he could afford subverting Constitution under which he took oath.  KHALID ANSARI

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 Musharraf cornered himself leaving him few friends - consider this:

 The liberals hate him because he represented the military, the politicians hate him because the 2 main parties were out of it for a decade, the rightwing and former military men hate him because they believe that he was crushing the religious right,

 The pro Americans hate him because they say that he didn't put down the terrorists hard enough,  the nationalists hate him because he was waging war against so-called his own people in the tribal areas etc.

 In terms of pure levels of corruption, there is little doubt that there was far less corruption at that time as would be applicable to a common man - be that be in single window operations, green channels at airports, dealings with Wapda office/ptcl etc. amongst many others, the 2 acts of electronic registration of the population via NADRA and freeing of Media have set Pakistan with a strong foundation to build on. It's another thing that we weren't able to take advantage of that past 5 years. Once a capable govt comes in, it would be much easier to connect with and provide services to the population majority of which is electronically registered.  Ayaz

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 I don't want to compare the military governments as the scenario was different. But I have one thing to say, I was living abroad from 1994 and every time I came back to Pakistan, all I encountered was corruption at all levels. Each year I will try to buy a piece of land in Islamabad, but go back empty handed because I did not want to pay bribe to CDA. I only got the opportunity to buy a plot at a single window without any extra payments in year 2000. Over the period of next six years I kept visiting Pakistan and felt that there was some progress. Our family felt welcomed at arriving at the airport immigration. What I am trying to say is that at the base level corruption was halted to some extent. After Mr. Musharraf’s departure things went back to same disinterest from the authorities for common travellers. This is one of the examples I wanted to quote.

 We brought each single dollar to Pakistan to help Pakistan but how Sharif, Zardari, and CJ and his family have looted. I have not forgotten my gracious and monthly contribution for Qazi utaro scheme, which was looted by all above.  There has been No investigation on the corruption of CJ and Sharif. Zardari's corruption has not been proven by Sharif and CJ because they all are looters.

 Who says this form of democracy is best. World has different models. Judiciary is most corrupt where son of CJ and CJ's theft comes, it is different case. What is this society?

 Amir Hasan

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 Musharraf was and is an important leader in the planet who rules this country for ten years.

 Only Musharraf is not accountable for all misdeeds but the background of takeover, character of judiciary, political parties, religious parties and legislative bodies.  Aziz Mohmand

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  I think Musharraf was the worst of all. His comparison could only be done with Zia and Ayoub who were also violators, liars, and hypocrites and had no regards for the rule of law. These dictators are mostly responsible for the present day mess. Let justice prevails and musharraf, the Tyrone, should be brought to justice to stop military adventures in future.  Thanks & Regards. Naeem Miangul 

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 No one is an angel, I shall be grateful if my journalist friends could draw a comparative analysis, is Musharraf worst in the lot? What he did, he did single handedly? He had no abetter in all his actions, please look into it with an open mind u can find all the state/non-state actors part and parcel of his deeds.

  FOOD FOR THOUGHT - Best Regards, Major Raza (Retd)

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Dear All

 It is not article 62 and 62 which barred Mush to contest the elections, rather it was his own Book 'In the Line of Fire' in which he admitted all his war crimes and these crime caused his exit. I wonder if court not takes an action on written statement of a person admitting that 'I handed over Pakistani people to CIA'.

 There is stomach in pain in some of the people regarding both the articles, which is uncalled for because none of the known and criminal having written admission may contest for any seat of public representation.  Cheers, Razi Dada  Lahore

 Rizwan Razi is voicing as Dada in 'Dada Pota Show' which is a current affairs live radio program on FM 98.6 in Lahore and can be accessed at www.dadapota.pk

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 Najma Sadique

To Press Pakistan

 Dear Aziz!

With all respect for your political point of view, counter argument would be: being for 10 YEARS in power (after an unconstitutional coup)  in a country like Pakistan do make you remembered as the likes of him in Africa and our brother Arab Countries. And yes he was not alone in the crime, okay but let it get started from top to bottom, as it has never been.

And we have judiciary accountable as well. 

"Those who judge must be judged themselves first" -Bible 

Mr. Musharraf’s political legacy caused seemingly final downfall of PPP as it once was (running the country with bribed money that was conditioned with his remaining in Power, no energy policies and the generals getting property dealers). And above all the militant groups got stronger at home claiming responsibilities after killing hundreds, and the list goes on.

Regards   Asad Khan Betini

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To Press Pakistan

 I think Musharraf was advised to come Pakistan by the same person, who advised him to attack Balochistan and Jamia Hafsa, and for those two reasons / incidents, Musharraf lost his popularity. What made him think to come to Pakistan? Who convinced him to come here once again and vanish the image of Army as he was ex-army man?

A journalist brother wrote:

I have never been a supporter of General Pervez Musharraf. I hate the way he dealt with the Judiciary in Pakistan. I believe he is the one who put Pakistan in lots of trouble. To me he is the one who...caused thousands of innocent Pakistanis death in the name of War against Terror.

 .......But..This is something i believe....and Justice does not believe in beliefs....rather it needs solid evidence to prove somebody guilty.....

I am not convinced the way Pervez Musharraf has not been allowed to participate in Elections, in the name of Article of 62, 63...No court of the country has declared Musharraf guilty..As such he is innocent in the eyes of Law. Where the courts have allowed many politicians who were involved in fake degrees, land grabbing and other cases, I don’t understand why Musharraf was not allowed to take part in elections?

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To Press Pakistan

 Dear friends,

Let us be very honest in Musharaf Case, no doubt he was dictator and has violated the Pak Constitution by over throwing the elected Govt of Mian Nawaz Sharif. The questions were, had the N. Sharif's Govt in power through free and fair elections, see the turnover of vote in 1999. That was not representation of Pakistani Awam. To be very honest, politicians, dictators and now the judiciary and lawyers community they all are Mafias. If Musharaf is trailed, why Chief Justice is not trailed for giving way to dictator Musharraf to abrogate the Constitution  Please be honest at least with yourself as an analyst and media person. No one should be set free from the accountability. We need to very impartial while making comments and while telling something to people across the globe. Well today we need to come out of any sort of sympathies and talk straight against above all culprits. Who allowed these Lawyers to take law in their hands , they have been torturing lay man, police even judges . Despite the fact most corrupt section of of people in Pakistani  is Lawyer community, as you all knew that they manipulate in courts and set free the killers using scrums in the law. Lawyers are sole entity causing delays in justice  to people as people have been facing courts in civil and criminal litigation since last 30 years. Please see what is on ground and come out of the so call efforts for restoration of judiciary. All the above said segment of society needs to be bring to the accountability.

Otherwise you will be still recognize as terrorist and politically failed nation across the globe. This is what the people in west and Europe think about Pakistan. This time in Pakistan there is no democratic values neither they have any religious system. The Nation is confused and it seems this confusion may last for long decades if the solid measures are no taken to redress the society, basis on equality, fairness and justice.

Regards Aqil Sajjad

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To Press Pakistan

 There should be accountability, but not on frivolous grounds. At least in the Lal Masjid and Sardar Bugti cases, there should be no trial. Govts. do have a right to exercise all options while dealing with those who take up weapons against the state. We can disagree with what Musharraf did, but we can't criminalize a policy decision. That would create a very dangerous precedent as no future govt would then be able to use force against any armed group.

 Similarly, the trial of Musharraf for Benazir's death seems like a case of political revenge. Musharraf himself was at the receiving end of a couple of assassination attempts and could easily have been killed. If someone succeeded against Benazir, this does not mean Musharraf is responsible for her death unless someone can bring very solid evidence to prove that he was somehow involved in the plot to assassinate her. And on that subject, how come the likes of Rehman Malik and Zardari are being left out of the investigation when Rehman Malik's actions were very suspicious and Zardari was the prime beneficiary.

 The only case for which it makes sense to try Musharraf is Nov 3. Everything else is about political revenge and scapegoating.

 Lastly, PML-N should really keep a lid on it. Abolishing local govts and not holding LG elections is no less an act of subverting the constitution than Oct 12, 1999.

 From: Mazhar Abbas

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 To Press Pakistan

Views expressed by Aqil Sajjad are balanced and prudent. At some time let prudence prevail, but not at the cost of facts.

We must essentially bring facts out in the public … again for good of the country.

 M.Taher Memon

CEO, Ethnic Media Consultants Limited, Premier Business Centre

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