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Why Islam cannot degenerate into Islamo-fascism: Muslims respond to A German psychiatrist Dr. Emanuel Tanya’s supposed Views on why peaceful majority is irrelevant in contemporary Islamic fanaticism

  


On 4 May 2013, at 18:26, Syed Asghar Huda wrote:

 

A German's View on Islam - worth reading. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.


Dr. Emanuel Tanay, Psychiatrist

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A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.

Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.

And we are silent. ......

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A German's View on Islam

On Monday, 6 May, 2013, 2:16 AM Nauman Khan wrote:

 

In his perspective of Islam and Nazi’s Germany Dr. Emanuel Tanya’s attempt to relate two different and complex historical events and find simple and similar answer is disingenuous. First and foremost the idea of the Nazis was based purely on racial superiority of Germans against non-Germans, Jews in particular. The insidious design that mesmerised and conjured up the masses of homogenous Germans, a nation of only 60 to 70 million, was engineered by the charismatic leadership of an extraordinary character in modern history.

 

The Nazi’s Germany, however, is just a flash in the history of mankind. In contrast the concept of racial superiority is anathema to Islam. The followers of Islam come in many races, colour, culture and geographical divide of huge lot of heterogeneous peoples. The root of Islam that goes back to 1,500 years with many turbulence and trial in the march of history is now estimated to embrace 1.5bn followers worldwide – the only reportedly fastest spreading religion in the world including the West.   

  

The ugly violence and killing that occupy today’s headline news cover a major part of Arabic speaking areas, Afghanistan and Pakistan and is an area peopled only by 400 to 500 million caused by conflicts; social, political and economic and, by far, intervention by outside power and politics. The havoc in Iraq today was not known before the intervention of outside power in 2003. The Arab spring lately in some Arab countries is a social and economic ‘bottom up’ uprising demanding social and economic fairness.

 

Pakistan dragged into the quagmire of Afghanistan fueled by the intervention of outside power is another set of example of a weak country dictated to toe the strategic interest of outside power. And because of that there are backlash from one set of group against Pakistan acting as a vassal to outside power.

 

The sectarian violence in Pakistan; Sunni, Shia and other minorities, is a law and order issue that the government of Pakistan has utterly failed to combat. There is hardly any sectarian violence in Pakistan’s neigbours such as India and Iran because there is some semblance of law and order prevailing there. Does it appeal to a rational mind that Pakistan with a population of 180m of largely Barelvi and Sufi Islam would be run over by hard-line Taliban and change its lifestyle? Do you think that people of Lahore and Karachi whose civilisation that goes back to thousands of years would look like Kabul under Taliban?    

 

There are, any way, some Muslim countries with promising performances that are competing and moving ahead in the world. The largest Muslim country in the world Indonesia is a functioning and flourishing democracy. Similar political processes are noticed in Malaysia, Iran and Turkey. These are countries where people are living reasonably peacefully.     

 

Muslim terrorism or Islamist terrorism is a narrative designed by western media to malign, denigrate and demoralise the Muslim world. Terrorism is a relative term. Late Margaret Thatcher is on record to call, in the past, Nelson Mandela a terrorist. And yet Nelson Mandela’s statue today graces London’s Parliament Square. Think ahead when history would record that freedom fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan humbled a super-power possessing state of the art military hardware ever known to mankind.

 

In his book Osama bin Laden, Michael Scheuer, a former CIA intelligence officer and political analyst, describes how George W Bush and his acolyte Tony Blair along with the “US officials have been labouring to do bin Laden’s work” and he goes on to write presciently: “As each year passes [bin Laden’s] status as a contemporary Islamic hero grows, as does the Saladin-like legend he will eventually leave in the annals of Islam’s history.” 

Nauman Khan

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 With reference to the red remarks* below, I am constrained to forward the mail of Dr. Emanuel Tanya, forwarded by Syed Asghar Huda without really disagreeing with Dr Tanya, in an attempt to resolve the issues, but after adding my bit which finds mention at the end of the chain.

--- Manzoorul Haque

 

 

  [*Red Remarks refers to the following: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun. Editor]

 

 

The mechanism of the fanaticism of both the Nazis and the Islamists is the same; and to this extent I agree with the formulation of Dr. Emanuel Tanya expressed in the words of Syed Asghar Huda. I would not be the one to dismiss Doctor’s views perfunctorily. The danger of Muslim fanatics taking over lurks all the time with a consequence not dissimilar from any other fanatic take-over.

 

But there is a difference to be found, when the texture of the supporting group or the acquiescing group is examined.  There is no parallel of Islam in history, which is easily, not comparable to either Nazism, or Communism, or any other ‘ism’. As long as such comparisons are made by the intellectuals, they would be barking up the wrong tree, and would thus be singularly unqualified to offer any solution. The support or even lazy acquiescence to the tenets of Islam comes from profoundness and not dilettantism.

 

 Islam offers a philosophical view of the world which is theistic, monotheistic, dualistic, and highly moralistic-cum-humanistic, with a scheme of afterlife to boot. An atheist may wish strongly for an anti-view, but cannot maintain the integrity of his ‘ism’ especially with reference to justice, morality and humanism. Besides, this prescription of Islam is above and beyond any narrow subdivision of humanity, even though in practice the misapplication of the prescription may give rise to any number of divisions.

 

The divisions essentially arise from the inelasticity of human mind – otherwise it is possible to accept the ideology of Islam in a graded manner. Vice can coexist with virtue as a cardinal social principle of Islam. Man’s real challenge lies in seeking virtue through a vice-laden world. There is no place for a forced eradication of vice without seriously jeopardizing the essence of Islam. The real battle of Islam is within human mind.

 

For the intellectuals of the world the challenge is to find ways to restrict the misapplication of the prescription of Islam. Deep spiritual-intellectual effort is needed. Tearing off the prescription is not an answer, as the reality of Islam will emerge again and again; on the other hand its rigid dogmatic application is equally spurious and self-defeating (this later portion may explain major part of Islamic history and the present state of Islamic nations).

To my mind the problem of Islam is the problem of humanity. The solution must come from humanity as a whole. Taking antagonistic positions will only accentuate rift and violence with nowhere to go. Manzoorul Haque, India (manhaq@yahoo.com )

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The reference here is to the following article, which is being given below in full. See Further Debate below:

A German’s point of view on Islam

by Dr. Emanuel Tanay, Psychiatrist

 

A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. ‘Very few people were true Nazis ‘he said,’ but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories. ’

We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the ‘peaceful majority’, the ‘silent majority’, is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’? History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts: the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

 

Emanuel Tanay, M. D.

Dr. Emanuel Tanay, MD

Wayne State University

Ann Arbor, Michigan

A clinical professor of psychiatry at the Medical School, Dr. Emanuel Tanay MD is a well-known forensic psychiatrist who has been an expert witness in many famous cases, such as the trials of Jack Ruby, Ted Bundy, Sam Sheppard, and Robert Garwood. He is licensed to practice in Ohio and Georgia, as well as Michigan. Dr. Tanay has served as an officer or committee member of many professional organizations, such as the Michigan Psychiatric Society, the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law, the American Psychiatric Association (APA), and others. He is a diplomat of the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology and of the American Board of Forensic Psychiatry and a distinguished fellow of the APA and the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (AAFC). A Holocaust survivor himself, he coauthored a book about the survivors of the Holocaust and was asked by the German government to consult on just compensation for the Holocaust survivors. Dr. Tanay has served on several journal editorial boards, authored many publications, and presented countless times on forensic medicine. His efforts have also produced many awards and commendations from groups such as the Michigan State Medical Society, APA, the Detroit

Institute of Technology, and AAFC, among others.

bibleprobe.com/Emanuel-Tanay.pdf

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E-Rumour or Truth?

 

"A German's View on Islam" by Dr. Emanuel Tanay-Fiction!

 

Summary of the eRumor: 

This is a forwarded article alleged to have been written by Dr. Emanuel Tanay called "A German's View on Islam."

 

The Truth: 

 

Dr. Emanuel Tanay is real and a holocaust survivor but he did not write this article, nor is he German.  This is an opinion piece that appeared on the web site of Paul Marek, who wrote it in March 2007 under the title of "Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant."   Click for original version of article.

Dr. Emanuel Tanay, the son of Jewish dentists, was born in Russian occupied Vilna in 1928, which is now part of Lithuania, according to the personal account of his life in a Polish ghetto during the Holocaust.

Marek's article was apparently altered and posted on several reader and comment boards on the World Wide Web. Some altered versions include Marek as the author and cite Tanay as the original forwarder of the story. 

updated 07/30/10

 

A real example of the eRumour as it has appeared on the Internet:

 

A German's View on Islam

A German's View on Islam. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well known and well respected psychiatrist.

 

A German's View on Islam

 

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

 

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything.

 

I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories. We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant.

 

It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

 

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march.. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.

 

 It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

 

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

 

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

 

And who can forget Rwanda which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

 

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

 

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this and think about it, and send it on before it's too late.

truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/Tanay-Merek-German-Islam.htm#.UYoFFaJTC5I

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Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant

Published: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:46 PM

History lessons are often incredibly simple.

 

Paul E. Marek

Paul E. Marek is a second-generation Canadian, whose grandparents fled Czechoslovakia just prior to the Nazi takeover. He is an educational consultant specializing in programs that protect children from predatory adults.

 

I used to know a man whose family were German aristocracy prior to World War II. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since.

 

“Very few people were true Nazis,” he said, “but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.”

 

We are told again and again by experts and talking heads that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unquantified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

 

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or execute honour killings. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard, quantifiable fact is that the “peaceful majority” is the “silent majority,” and it is cowed and extraneous.

 

The fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.

 

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war-mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across Southeast Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians - most killed by sword, shovel and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were “peace loving”?

 

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt; yet, for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by the fanatics. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because, like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

 

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Bosnians, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others, have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us,watching it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts: the fanatics who threaten our way of life. israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/6996#.UYoImKJTC5I

 

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