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Quaid-e-Azam Was an Ismaili Shia, a Kafir; Is Pakistan His Property; It Is Our Homeland And We Want to Implement Shariah of Allah in Our Homeland, Taliban Scholar Tells Pakistan Army Official - 3

Transcription Of A Video Of An Ideological Debate Between A Taliban Scholar And Pakistani Army Official Based On The Translation From Urdu In The Superimposed Text In Pakistan Government Video.

{Being presented so that Ulema (Islamic scholars) may know how Islam is being distorted in extremist discourse and defend Islam's peaceful nature by refuting the allegations against Quran (words of God), Hadees (sayings of the Prophet), Sunnah (examples, practices) of the Prophet and Shariah (Islamic Law).}

By New Age Islam Edit Desk

22 August 2014

Pakistani Army Official: I don’t know if you have read any history but let me assume that you might have. The history shows that in 1947, Quaid-e-Azam (MA Jinnah, the Murtad founder of Pakistan) was the only person in favour of creating Pakistan. But the scholars and Maulanas like yourself called him a Kafir and that he was committing Kufr by creating a separate country. But when the country came into existence, you people started claiming its ownership. First, you opposed the creation of Pakistan but when the country was created, you people started laying claim to it. What is this story all about?

Taliban Scholar: Respected sir! We considered Quaid-e-Azam a Kafir before and we consider him a Kafir-e-Azam (the greatest Kafir) and a Kaddu-e-Azam (satire; the greatest pumpkin) even now.

He was a similar kind of puppet like today’s Karzai who has been appointed as president in Afghanistan by the Crusaders. The scholars who supported Jinnah; we consider them misguided and I am repeating again and again that due to the mistake of those early scholars, we become misguided as well. We repent for our mistakes and ask forgiveness from Allah (swt).

Pakistani Army Official: (Sounds angry) You are calling our saviour, our Quaid-e-Azam a Kafir Nauzobillah who created a country for us. You are talking rubbish about him and still sitting in his country eating haram. You are devouring the money and the provisions of this government and......hmmmm.....what should one say about that......we can only you are eating Haraam. You are living in this country and at the same time you are cutting its roots as well.

Taliban Scholar: These are all those concepts that you people are taught in the secular schools. Alhamdulillah, we consider Quaid-e-Azam a Kafir. He was an Ismaili Shia. His father’s name was.....hmmm........don’t know.......Peenjo or maybe Poonja. Poonja cannot be the name of a Muslim. He was an Ismaili Shia. He was a Kafir and he was not a Muslim. Moreover, you say that we are eating haram in Pakistan, this and that. (Sounds angry) Is this Pakistan a property of Jinnah’s daddy? Did his daddy construct this Pakistan (and we are the squatters)? This Pakistan is our homeland and we want to implement Shariah of Allah swt in our homeland. What is all this rubbish you are talking about? It would be better if you base your arguments on some evidence.

Pakistani Army Official: The man who created this country, you are calling him wrong and a Kafir. You might have heard the name of a very famous Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad (correct name is Abul Kalam Azad). Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad did not put his foot in Pakistan saying that he won't come to this country as it was created by a Kafir. You are saying that Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was right and you are laying a claim on this country as well. Secondly, you are saying that the name of Quaid-e-Azam’s father was Poonja Jinnah and hence he was a Kafir, Nauzobillah. Before the arrival of Islam, were the parents of 90 to 95% Sahaba not Kafir? Were they not? Tell me, how many Sahabas were there whose parents were Kuffar?

Taliban Scholar: Ok, before the arrival of Islam Poonja Jinnah was a Kafir and his son was a Kafir as well.

Pakistani Army Official: Nauzobillah, what would you say about those Sahaba who embraced Islam but their parents were still Kafir, secondly, if the name of Quaid-e-Azam’ father was Poonja Jinnah; his own name was Muhammad Ali Jinnah..... Muhammad ....Ali....Jinnah, all right?

Taliban Scholar: That is what I am saying. He was an Ismaili, a Shia. Shia’s are commonly named as Ali, Hasan, Hussain etc and Alhamdulillah we consider Shias as Kuffar because they curse Sahaba; elevate Ali RA to the divine status. Sahabas are very respectable to us. Muhammad Ali Jinnah was not a Kafir due to his name rather he was a Kafir because of his actions. I am saying that he was an Ismail, a Shia and hence a Kafir, simple.

Pakistani Army Official: Ok, just let go Quaid-e-Azam, let me ask you.....(interrupted by Taliban scholar)

Taliban Scholar: (giggles) Why do you let him go buddy. He is dear to you (giggling in the background)

(To be continued)

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