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The Concept of Takfir – Declaring a Muslim a Disbeliever – Is a Very Modern Propaganda Weapon of Al-Qaeda and Daesh Having Its Roots in 7th Century – The Khawarij And Murji’a Groups



By Francesco Bergoglio Errico

September 6, 2018

The concept of Takfir – declaring a Muslim a disbeliever – is a very modern propaganda weapon of al-Qaeda and Daesh. But its origins are to be found in distant times. Indeed, in order to better understand this concept, it is essential to travel all the way back to the 7th Century roots – the Khawarij and Murji’a groups.

The Khawarij emerged from the battle of Siffin in 657 AD, where the fourth caliph ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib and his successor Mu’awiya bin Abi Sufyan clashed. During the battle, Mu’awiya’s troops, outnumbered and facing almost certain defeat, called on ‘Ali and his troops to accept arbitration between the two parties. ‘Ali took up the offer, but some of his own troops rejected it. They thought that ‘Ali had been swayed by Mu’awiya rather than divine guidance and that such an action should actually be seen as an affront to God’s order. These troops then seceded from ‘Ali’s camp and became the Khawarij group, the name they also applied to themselves.

The group’s first distinctive tenet concerned the possibility of revolt against Muslim rulers who had been deemed insufficiently pious. When ‘Ali agreed to arbitration with Mu’awiya, the separatists, the people later known as Khawarij, reportedly shouted “La Hukm Illa Li-Llah”, “judgement is God’s alone”. Only God has the authority to arbitrate, they held, not human beings. Not even the caliph ‘Ali, in fact.

Later on, the slogan came to represent their broad view that all judgements and rulings should be left to God. Applying Qur’anic rulings very strictly, they fought Muslims who were deemed guilty of major sins and expelled them from their community.

The consequences could not be more serious. Since they believed sinful Muslims to be Kuffar (disbelievers), they immediately applied Qur’anic lines concerning jihad against non-Muslims. This meant that, according to the Khawarij, the application of jihad was not just limited to ordinary people. If necessary, it could even include the caliph. Indeed, they assassinated ‘Ali in 661 AD.

The second tenet of Khawarij ideology addressed their conception of Iman (faith) and disbelief. In particular, what is faith? And when does a Muslim become a Kafir, a disbeliever? One of the greatest questions was whether A’mal, or deeds, acts or works, were an integral part of the faith or not. Some theologians of Islam’s early years, including Abu Hanifa, believed they were not a part of it. As a result, he equated Iman with the belief residing in the heart and its profession by tongue.

Conversely, other scholars, including Mu’tazilites and Hanabalites, believed that deeds, acts or works were indeed an integral part of Iman and that this Iman would not be complete without them.

Among other outcomes, this dispute led to what may be called the orthodox Sunni view, as well as almost all Salafi views, according to which Iman consists of assent to the Iman in the heart, its verbal confirmation by the tongue, and corresponding acts with the limbs. Respectively, Tasdeeq Bi-L-Qalb, Iqrar Bi-L-Lisan and A’mal Bi-L-Jawarih

As for the Khawarij themselves, even though they too believed that Iman consisted of these three elements and others, they placed more emphasis on A’mal than mainstream Sunnism does.

The question of what actually constitutes Iman is very important when defining enemies as unbelievers. On the one hand, if A’mal is not an integral part of Iman, sinful acts cannot undermine that Iman by themselves. On the other, if A’mal is an integral part of the Iman, sinful acts can definitely compromise faith.

Moreover, while Sunni scholars have separated major sins, Kaba’ir, from less severe ones, the Khawarij have included A’mal among major sins, such as killing one’s child, adultery and especially polytheism and idolatry, or shirk.

Scholars later separated shirk from other Kaba’ir, establishing that only an act of shirk would immediately turn a Muslim into an unbeliever, or Kafir, and therefore justify his or her excommunication from Islam, Takfir. Additionally, any further proof of a person’s unbelief through verbal confirmation was not necessary. Other major sins were certainly still considered serious and deserving of punishment, but they were not enough to turn a believer into a disbeliever – further proof was needed.

The Khawarij disagreed with this last point since, according to their beliefs; a Muslim culpable of any Kaba’ir should be avowed a Kafir, with or without further proof. This creed thus heightened ordinary major sins to the level of Kufr, making its adherents swifter to apply Takfir than those endorsing the movement later known as Sunnism.

The last relevant point about the concepts of Iman and Kufr concerns the effects of sinful acts on a person’s Iman. Not considering sins as equal to shirk, many scholars believed faith to be diminished by sinful acts and increased by good ones. This led to an understanding of Iman as flexible. The Khawarij, by contrast, believed that iman could not fluctuate. It was either present or lost as a whole through major sins. This made the Khawarij radically different from other groups, and this was reflected in their use of jihad against other Muslims holding what the Khawarij saw as aberrant ideas of iman, which made them legitimate targets, up to and including the rulers and the caliph.

Another important group criticized the beliefs of Khawarij – the Murji’a. According to most scholars, the genesis of the Murji’a can traced back to the conflicts between the third caliph, ‘Uthman bin ‘Affan, and his successor ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib. At that time, the Murji’a refused to take sides and opted for postponement of judgement, irja’, in such matters. In their view, only God could decide on these subjects. Before taking the name of Murji’a, this group were called Ahl-Al-‘Adl Wa-L-Sunna, or “the people of justice and Sunna”.

The Irja’ “postponers” concept was later dated back to the Qur’an itself by the Murji’a, in particular by referring to Sura 9:106. This verse provided them with a conceptual basis for avoiding taking sides in the conflict. In time, the Irja’ term became the most important tenet of the Murji’a.

In that regard, there are two important relevant points. The first is the development of the term Irja’. While it was initially applied to political conflicts such as the battle between ‘Uthman and ‘Ali, between the 18th and 19th Centuries it acquired a theological meaning. In particular, Irja’ was applied to people’s Iman; in other words, judgments on anyone’s faith was postponed and left to God. For that reason, unlike the Khawarij, adherents were generally loyal to rulers and only rarely supported riots against them.

The second point regards their conception of what constitutes faith and disbelief. Once again, unlike the Khawarij, they felt that Iman only consisted of the belief residing in the heart and its confirmation by the tongue, not concrete acts. Consequently, acts alone do not establish whether an individual is a believer or a disbeliever. When the takfir of such an individual was justified, then, they could ask.

In fact, from the Murji’a perspective, the Kaba’ir intrinsically could not throw someone out from Islam, except in the case of a sinner verbally confirming his disbelief, including shirk. Additionally, unlike the Khawarij and orthodox Sunni, they didn’t believe that faith could be altered by sinful acts and therefore excluded A’mal from Iman.

All of this contested history of the Takfir concept flows down to our own times.  Al-Qaeda and Daesh both use the ancient concept to justify their goals and their jihadi attacks on Muslims they see as disbelievers, including rulers. In their view, these people are enemies who are destroying the true Islam and the whole Ummah (community of believers), so jihad is warranted, indeed mandated. They defend this position by manipulating many passages of the Qu’ran and Hadith.

It is very important to underline this, because an increasingly high number of people now take the manipulations as truth, radicalizing themselves, embracing jihad, and becoming fascinated and indoctrinated by terrorist propaganda that promises salvation of the soul and access to paradise to those who embrace the “true way” or the “true Islam”.

This makes it crucial to understand what Takfir is and how the concepts of Takfir and jihad are used by the terrorist groups, not only to better comprehend how they justify their existence and their bloodshed, but also, above all, in fact, to improve strategies of disengagement and deradicalisation.

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Source: eeradicalization.com/the-road-to-daesh-the-history-of-the-takfir-and-its-interpretations/

URL: http://www.newageislam.com/the-war-within-islam/francesco-bergoglio-errico/the-concept-of-takfir-–-declaring-a-muslim-a-disbeliever-–-is-a-very-modern-propaganda-weapon-of-al-qaeda-and-daesh-having-its-roots-in-7th-century-–-the-khawarij-and-murji’a-groups/d/116321




TOTAL COMMENTS:-   60


  • When one can allege that the U.S. government  can be complicit in attacking its own Defense Department's Pentagon building in the capital city of Washington and the World Trade Center in its premier city of New York and kill 3000 of its own citizens and hope never to be caught,  the question of one's credulity does become important.

    In any case I shall let Naseer sahib have the last word because I have already said what I wanted to say.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/24/2018 11:30:51 AM



  • "How did it fracture like brittle bone then if it wasn’t melted" - mr. naseer ahmed.
    that sentence is a jem of an islamic scholarship from a kuffar engineering education.
    it warms the very cockles of the heart.

    By hats off! - 9/24/2018 7:47:04 AM



  • GM Sb is a doctor but his education may not be relevant to what is being discussed. What can I say about his intelligence when he believes the following without supporting evidence and in fact in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary?

    (1) 9/11 was the result of a vast and extremely elaborate conspiracy that only the conspiracy enthusiast can comprehend.

    It is GM sb who is trying to make a big deal about the incident. On the contrary, 911 is nothing new or difficult for the US to execute. They have built the necessary infrastructure for executing any monstrosity in complete secrecy and ensuring that it remains secret. Can you imagine their dependence on private contractors who are given protection from legal consequences of their criminal acts? Read the black deeds of Blackwater with which the government agencies have an incestual relationship. High ranking officials who give business to Blackwater are eventually absorbed by Blackwater in high positions. The government contracts are extremely lucrative. And what exactly was Pentagon doing with unaccounted expenses running upto $2.3 trillion?

    Read: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academi

    After having read the above, is there any doubt that Blackwater can carry out any black deed in complete secrecy?

    It is GM sb, who is incredulous in the face of evidence because he is simply incapable of understanding simple physics and the history of deceits practiced by the US government and the fact that every American president was a great liar with very few exceptions. Lyndon B Johnson was a compulsive liar under whose watch the fake Tonkin incident was made the cause for escalation of war on Vietnam, George W Bush took the art of deception and lies to new heights, Bill Clinton was a most earnest and believable liar, “Nixon is a shifty-eyed goddam liar and the people know it,” Harry Truman ……..

    What should be clear to any sane person is that the official lies are obvious with the official liars having contradicted themselves or other official liars. NIST will not talk beyond what happened after the initiation of collapse because they have no explanation for how the entire building collapsed.

    The official liars first said that the steel melted but since it was easy to prove that this was not possible from the fire caused by the burning of aviation fuel, they went back on it and said it did not melt. They came up with the pancake theory but since this theory does not account for how the steel columns collapsed, they came up with the pile-driver theory. The pile driver theory also does not explain how the steel columns were cut. Steel can bend completely and take a U shape without fracturing. How did it fracture like brittle bone then if it wasn’t melted? What explains the free fall speed?

    The perfect answer to all the questions explaining what happened is Controlled Demolition but if GM sb prefers to bury his head in sand, even God cannot help. God also gives up on such people saying that the “Deaf, Dumb and Blind will not believe”. Not that they are deaf, dumb and blind but choose to deliberately bury their head in sand. God has given them ears, eyes and intelligence which they refuse to use.

    (2) That man could have independently generated moral precepts.

    The evidence from the history of philosophy starting from 600 BC, is that it has not given us a single moral principle although ethics and morality are subjects philosophy is obsessed with. All moral principles have come exclusively from religion. So, what is the evidence that man could have independently generated moral precepts when he has generated none?

    (3) Islam had no influence in abolition of slavery.

    It is a well-recognized fact that under Islam, slavery was not what it was under any other culture/civilization. Slaves rose to high places in the army and administration and even became rulers. They ate the same food as their masters sitting alongside them. The masters shared the burden with the slaves and never overworked them. The Quran explicitly encourages marriage of free people with slaves removing any social stigma associated with salves. Freeing of slaves is encouraged and even made incumbent. The prophet and his followers bought slaves only to free them. One such slave was Hazrat Bilal, a black Abyssinian, who rose to a very high position and was the first muezzin and the first to give the call for prayer from Kaaba. Enslavement of free people, except prisoners of war was put an end to. While the Muslims did not ban slavery and the Christians did, what is indisputable is that Islam influenced the attitude of the rest of the world towards slaves. The other areas of influence were in making divorce acceptable, reducing the influence of priests since Islam has no concept of priest, in laws enabling women to inherit, the madrasa system becoming a model for public schools and in every other area.

    Islam influenced every other culture it came in contact with. While the Europeans took all the best practices from Islam and took each one of them further, the Muslims remained stuck at the point Islam had taken them.

    “That the influence of Islam is forgotten and goes unacknowledged, is not very surprising. When exposure to a different culture creates social change in society, the new view becomes an integral part of the society's culture. This results in the source of the other culture’s influence that led to change being forgotten, which is known as social cryptoamnesia. The influence of other cultures can be successful if people can dissociate between the socio-cognitive activities of resistance that are induced by the source and other activities of resistance that develop from the content of the message. The process of dissociation is explained by social cryptoamnesia: what was originally considered different is gradually constructed as an alternative (Perez, 1995). The Europeans absorbed the message of Islam while dissociating from the Muslims and even hating them.

    A person can be affected by influence whether directly or indirectly. However, if one is not aware of the influence, the influencing ideas could be taken as one's own while disregarding where the original idea came from. Social cryptoamnesia explains that thoughts and ideas that challenge or shock are stored in latent memory without retaining the ownership of the idea. Ideas that were supposedly forgotten have reappeared in the person's mind as his or her own belief or thought. This major attitude change takes place when the zeitgeist has changed. In history, exposure to other cultures have changed the attitudes of society, and the attitudes of society have changed the personal opinion of the majority in that society. Although such influence may not affect a person immediately, one's beliefs and behaviours may change over time due to social cryptoamnesia.”

    We’re not aware of changing our minds even when we do change our minds. And most people, after they change their minds, reconstruct their past opinion

    — they believe they always thought that. (Daniel Kahneman)

    The lack of acknowledgment of Islam’s influence on ideas that led to the banning of slavery is not proof that it had no influence. The proof is in the fact that Europe’s renaissance is built on ideas from Islamic civilization and taking the same a step further and in the fact that Islamic civilization presented a stark contrast to the European civilization giving them many new ideas to mull over and absorb. The Europeans studied every idea that made Islamic Civilization great and took the same ideas further.

    GM sb is however a slave and blind believer of western scholarship and if this scholarship has failed to give credit to Islam, he also vehemently denies it. He is the quintessential brown sahib, and the reason why Muslims resist western education seeing what such education has done to people like him. There are very few who can think independently.

    (4) The Quran does not make a distinction between Kafir and Mushrik.

    GM sb may clarify his position. Is he saying that all the Mushrikin are Kafir according to the Quran? He is on record having having flipped-flopped many a time on this question. What is his latest take on the question?


    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/24/2018 1:40:05 AM



  • Naseer sahib imputes that I had implied "any random destructive force or fire can cause a high rise building to collapse along the path of the greatest resistance."

    What I had said was the exact opposite of what he says. Two passenger planes loaded with jet fuel crashed into the World Trade Center causing a massive explosion, a massive fire and total collapse. Did I say that every time a jet flies into a building, the same result would  occur? I did not say that because I do not know if it would occur. All I know is that it did occur on 9/11.

    What is impossible to comprehend is a conspiratorial mega-plot in which the buildings were expertly planted with super explosives which would go off exactly when two jet planes hijacked by Al Qaeda terrorists crashed into the building! If you can believe that I have this bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell to you at a very attractive price!

    Naseer sahib is a very well educated and intelligent man and yet he believes the following:

    (1) Man is not capable of generating moral precepts. All moral precepts are of divine origin only.

    (2) Islam was largely instrumental in abolition of slavery.

    (3) The Quran, if correctly read, makes clear and consistent distinctions between kafir and mushreek.

    (4) 9/11 was the result of a vast and extremely elaborate conspiracy that only the conspiracy enthusiast can comprehend.

    I do not want to re-argue those points again. In fact I would much rather close this thread. But one question that arises is whether credulity is an independent variable unrelated to education and intelligence. I do not know the answer.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/23/2018 12:18:11 PM



  • Oh really? What does GM sb comprehend? That any random destructive force or fire can cause a high rise building to collapse along the path of the greatest resistance (the path for a building to collapse on its own footprint, is the path of the greatest resistance)? This is impossible even as a coincidence and for all three buildings to collapse in this manner is truly the mother of all miracles! He has no idea how foolish such thinking is – ignorance is bliss for him!

    The mafia is an example of an organisation that can keep its secrets and commit crimes with impunity. The US government uses contractors to do its dirty jobs. The contractors build mafia like organizations as far as maintaining secrecy is concerned to carry out the dirty jobs for the government. Outsourcing solves the problem of maintaining secrecy.

    How is the government’s mafia financed? One day before 911, Donald Rumsfeld talked about unaccounted expenses of $2.3 trillion spent by the Pentagon. The next day, the building housing the accounts department of Pentagon was destroyed by an “aircraft” crashing into it and nobody heard further about the unaccounted expenses of the Pentagon! If the money spent on the contractors who do the dirty jobs was ever audited, the government would be hard pressed to justify it.  

    Just hear two retired US army Generals speak on the subject of 911:

    Major General Albert Stubblebine is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his time as commanding general of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) from 1981 to 1984. Here him speak on the subject:

    youtube.com/watch?v=VqKzaf6xYRc

    General Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star U.S. Army general, Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the 1999 War on Yugoslavia.

    youtube.com/watch?v=B3B5xzApMZg

    The physics part is very well explained in the video below, with practical demonstration of what is possible and what is impossible

    youtube.com/watch?v=9YRUso7Nf3s

    CNN News  broadcast on the 28th June 2001 (11 weeks before the attack)a story claiming that its reporter with camera crew got into Osama’s secret hideouout  and interviewed him and based on this interview, said that within 3 weeks, Oasma was going to attack the US and Israel. Bill Cooper another broadcaster warned the same day, that “whatever is going to happen, they will blame it on Osama, and don’t you even believe it”!

    Bill Cooper was shot dead less than two months later on Nov 5, 2001 by police officers.

    Susan Lindauer, a CIA asset says in the video, that between August 23rd  to about September 02, trucks were seen arriving at the WTC at 3 AM after the janitorial trucks had left and leaving at 5 AM before people started arriving. They tried convicting Susan Lindauer on various charges of espionage and treason failing which; they declared her a nut case!

    David Chandler, retired physics teacher analyses the collapse of WTC 1 with visual evidence. He shows clear evidence of corner columns being cut with “cutter charge” or explosives.

    John Gross leading engineer for NIST  says Steel did not melt.

    Yes, it cannot melt from the fire alone but only with explosives.

    Kathy McGrade, Metallurgist, shows clear evidence of molten steel

    Steven Jones, physicist – evidence of nano thermite used as explosive for cutting the steel. Demonstration of how thermite cuts steel. Government experts claimed that thermite cannot cut steel

    Danny Jowenko, Explosive expert

    Donald Rumsfeld – Pentagon cannot account 25% of its expenses. Cannot account for 2.3 Trillion dollars

    youtube.com/watch?v=vVhsSH4yBa8


    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/23/2018 4:55:15 AM



  • Was it a demolition job to start with, or was it an indiscriminate act of violence and destruction typical of what terrorists do? Was the perfect demolition a result beyond their wildest dreams? 

    In any case a conspiracy on a scale that Naseer sab envisages is incomprehensible and a result of a sick fantasy. Not a single reputable investigative journalist or security expert has joined the conspiracy theory crowd!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/20/2018 12:28:03 PM



  • That the public has believed in the mother of all miracles of not one, but three WTC buildings, collapsing to the ground on their foot-print, in the manner of a perfectly executed job of controlled demolition, and not in the manner of a demolition job gone awry as it should have been,  is hardly surprising. The government went about its business taking the gullibility of the people for granted. To crown it all, WTC7 was not even hit by a plane, and it is the only building in the world, that collapsed because of an office fire, if are to believe what we are told! To uncover the falsehoods takes very little knowledge, but even this very little knowledge is too much for most people. The government knows this and cynically makes use of this weakness.

    Behavioural economists and evolutionary psychologists have demonstrated that most human decisions are based on emotional reactions and heuristic shortcuts rather than on rational analysis. Not only rationality, but individuality too is a myth. People rarely think for themselves. Rather, they think in groups.

    People think they know a lot, because they treat knowledge in the minds of others and in the books as if it were their own. This is the illusion of knowledge. We rely on the expertise of others for most of our needs. This is the result of extreme specialization facilitated by globalization. We consume very little of what we produce and most of what we consume, is produced by others. Most people know very little beyond what they produce. We have progressed as a civilization by developing the ability to place our trust in others and cooperate with them. From an evolutionary perspective, trusting in the knowledge of others has worked extremely well for us

    This condition of the people – inability to think for themselves from lack of knowledge and their complete reliance on groupthink placing their trust in experts, is cynically exploited by the powerful government supported by the media and the establishment experts. The gullible public unsurprisingly consumes whatever the government backed by its crony “experts” produces. After all, they put their trust in the government by voting it to power, and they would not like to appear stupid by being proved wrong. To distrust the government or their parents or other loved ones is extremely painful for people, and they will rather believe in delusional myths, than face the truth.

    “Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: “Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?” For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it “planning” and “strategizing” – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people.”
    Michael Parenti, American political scientist, historian and culture critic.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/20/2018 7:05:50 AM



  • Conspiracy theorists will never understand that carrying out such a grand, megalomanic and surreptitious a plot as a 9/11  "controlled demolition" fraud  would be the greatest miracle in the history of the world! Well, let them believe what they want to believe! I do not want to waste any more of my time on this.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/19/2018 12:14:28 PM



  • Washington can lie as long as they wish and admit the truth or declassify the information kept secret whenever they wish.
    How could they keep lying about WMDs even  after having invaded and occupied Iraq and not found any?
    It is easy to lie and make the gullible public believe in the lies for even millenniums. Haven't many myths from religion survived for several millenniums?
    GM sb has flipped from calling official lies "conspiracy theory". It is an old habit of his.
    Watch the video and see for yourself how the official liars make a fool of themselves by contradicting each other.
    youtube.com/watch?v=7ySUrEiVFIM
    Every theory has a flaw except the truth which is a controlled demolition.
    Only a miracle can make a building hit by a plane come down in the manner of the most perfectly engineered and executed controlled demolition. We may as well start believing in miracles!
    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/19/2018 1:54:29 AM



  • For anyone to carry out an implosion or deliberate demolition of two of the best guarded towers in Manhattan and to keep it a secret for 16 years is an impossibility. Neither the U.S. government nor any other world entity is that efficient. Washington could not keep secret either the Pentagon Papers or the absence of WMD's in Iraq or CIA's ouster of Mossadeg. 

    But these conspiracy theories will persist. It is a big business. Some creators of conspiracy theories have become very rich. People who are taken in by conspiracy theories abound in every country. As P.T.Barnum reportedly said, "There is a sucker born every minute".

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/18/2018 1:01:22 PM



  • Height of columns 1362 feet and not as incorrectly stated in my previous comment as 362 feet.
    A collapse caused by an accident would look like one of the poorly executed demolitions as in the video below:
    youtube.com/watch?v=3ptuCpOxT7o
    Also look at some of the better executed demolitions. in the following video:
    youtube.com/watch?v=XUBhHuHcOJM
    You will not find a more perfect job than the WTC job when a disaster caused by the crash should have looked like a poorly executed demolition if at all the buildings came down because of it!
    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/18/2018 3:49:23 AM



  • Implosion normally refers to a controlled demolition technique. However, this theory has also been forwarded to explain the collapse. The collapse of a floor drew the outer columns inward causing an implosion is how they try to explain. It is a strange theory. The collapse of one floor was enough to cause an implosion while the remaining 109 floors could not prevent it! Even if such an impossible event did take place, you would still have the 59 columns 362 feet high in one piece collapsing on the neighbouring buildings and not breaking into hundreds of smaller pieces and collapsing in a heap on the footprint of the building. The difference between a controlled demolition and an unplanned collapse caused by a disaster is precisely in the way the building collapses.

    Large buildings, are destroyed by building implosion using explosives. This is very fast—the collapse itself only takes seconds and it is as fast as a free fall—and an expert can ensure that the structure falls into its own footprint, so as not to damage neighboring structures.  A dangerous scenario is the partial failure of an attempted implosion. When a building fails to collapse completely the structure may be unstable, tilting at a dangerous angle.

    The worst that could have happened to the WTC building is that the top floors above the floor that was hit, tilting. Nothing can cause the steel columns to break in smaller pieces except cutting them with oxy acetylene torch with temperature of 3773 degrees centigrade which takes considerable time, or faster with explosives.  Just try cutting structural steel by a fire caused by aviation fuel or kerosene.  No amount of burning will have any significant effect as the temperature will never cross 300 degrees centigrade. Steel loses half its strength only at 600 degrees. Also, the fire affected only a few floors and not the entire building and only for an hour before the edifice crumbled.  A controlled demolition is the only plausible explanation else what explains the floors unaffected by fire crumbling as they did?

    The WTC collapse, is the most perfect example of a controlled demolition and nothing else can explain the very orderly collapse on its own footprint in just a few seconds (in exactly the time that it takes an object falling through thin air from the top of the building hitting the ground) without leaving any part of the building standing or any of the 59 steel columns 360 feet long not cut into hundreds of pieces. A steel column may be melted completely (only theoretically because this is practically impossible) but how can it get cut into several pieces? Only by cutting them with oxy acetylene torches (very slow process) or explosives (extremely fast) as in a controlled demolition.

     It is a waste of time to discuss anything with GM Sb. He goes by groupthink on every subject - not this alone, since he lacks the skills and knowledge to think for himself. In this case, it may not even be groupthink but group position. The group of American Muslims kowtowing to their new masters can only faithfully parrot the official lies.  


    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/18/2018 1:10:46 AM



  • They did not use any "unbelievable skills" on 9/11 to "implode" the World Trade Center. They flew two passenger planes full of jet fuel straight into the twin towers. How much skill does that take?


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/15/2018 11:31:27 PM



  • The term Free-fall and Implosion is often juxtaposed. It is highly technical, scientific, engineering and art skill of using explosives to collapse a tall building in controlled manner on the ground in sequence to fall within its own footprint.

    In 1988 two years before 9/11 al Qaida or its affiliates claimed to have bombed the US Embassies in Nairobi and Dares-salaam; the softest targets in the world for them at the time. The damage there to the buildings could hardly be said as skilfully carried out but the loss of lives of the innocent citizens was phenomenal in comparison!

    So just in short period of time, for them to belatedly claim to have acquired the unbelievable skills to accomplished 9/11, seven seas away can only be accepted by those who believe that Moses miraculously split the Red Sea just by hitting it with his walking stick, the Rod/A'saa.


    By Skepticle - 9/15/2018 6:42:10 PM



  • Naseer saheb should send to the U.S. government his proposal for an experiment to prove his conspiracy theory regarding 9/11.
    He says that the video in which Osama bin Laden gloats over his success in bringing down the World Trade Center is fake!
    Such conspiracy theorists abound on the internet. Talking to them is a waste of time.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/15/2018 1:20:14 PM



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