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The Mardin Conference – Understanding Ibn Taymiyyah’s Fatwa

By Sheila Musaji

First posted:  Nov 18, 2010      


In March of 2010, an important conference was held in Marden, Turkey.  This joins the Amman Statement and many other fatwas and statements that S. Abdallah Schleifer has called an important theological counter-attack against terrorism and the distorted ideology that feeds it.

According to the Mardin Conference organizers, the following was the purpose of this Conference:

Legal edicts, or fatwas, represent one of the most important tools for the application of juristic rulings in changing contexts. They are important points of reference for jurists who derive rulings relying on legal precedents, among other sources of law. The categorization of abodes—between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Kufr, or the Abode of Peace and the Abode of War—is an issue on which the schools of jurisprudence have differed. The views and opinions of scholars are varied; their differences, in most cases, are not a result of differences in the body of texts or applied traditions, rather they relate to the understanding of historical circumstances, political situations and the balance of military power between a Muslim state and its non-Muslim neighbors.

Shaykh al-Islam Taqi al-Din Ahmad b. Abd al-Halim Ibn Taymiyya al-Harani, who died in 1328, may God have mercy on him, issued a well-known fatwa concerning the city of Mardin. During his time and against the backdrop of the fourteenth century, war was not an uncommon occurrence for Ibn Taymiyya, who also witnessed the ensuing turbulence and social disturbance. The overthrow of a regime often brought bloodshed and spread fear among those loyal to the deposed rulers who stood to lose power and prestige. In an attempt to understand the chaos that surrounded them during such periods of instability, the populace often asked questions relating to issues of faith and doctrine.

Against the Mongol conquest of much of the Eastern lands of Islamdom and the vivid memories of death and destruction that resulted from the cities that they razed, Ibn Taymiyya was asked to issue a fatwa on the status of the city of Mardin, which was under Mongol rule. The Mongols had embraced Islam, yet were criticized by some for their lack of faithful adherence to their new-found faith. The Shaykh al-Islam was simply asked: was Mardin an Abode of War or of Peace? Little was he to know that his fourteenth-century response would find itself being cited to justify indiscriminate violence, insurrection and the excommunication of Muslims in the twenty-first century.

Ibn Taymiyya remains an important authority for many Muslims. However, some students of sacred knowledge take his fatwas without considering them within the framework of their historical context, and without examining them alongside other opinions, which would allow them to be seen as relative and not absolute. In reality, Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyya’s rich and voluminous output, like that of many scholars, can be read in more than one way, particularly when taken in parts (and not read as a whole). An example is the reading of “Jihad,” a topic that is frequently taken without sound understanding or interpretation, in an excessively literal way.

Contemporary Muslim scholars therefore have a responsibility to review and understand the heritage of well-known scholars of Islam such as Ibn Taymiyya. They must correct and guide us to a sound reading of them. This is especially true in critical contemporary matters that require clarification, such as the importance of a sound fatwa, understanding the overarching scriptural rulings, working both with sound legal maxims and with the spirit of the law, and particularly in understanding jihad, its rulings and approaches in reference to existing international conventions.

This conference was organized by the Global Centre for Renewal and Guidance and Canopus Consulting in partnership with Mardin Artuklu University in order to discuss the rules of issuing fatwas in general and the implications of the Mardin fatwa in particular. The following issues were examined:

1. Understanding the Mardin fatwa in Context: The Era and its Ambiguities
2. The Historical Significance of the Fatwa 
3. The Categorization of an Abode from an Historical Viewpoint and in Light of Globalization and Modern Communication
4. Understanding Jihad: The Conditions of Armed Combat and its Rules of Engagement—as defined by Ibn Taymiyya and the UN Charter 
5. Concepts of peace and coexistence in Islamic thought

At the end of the Conference, the scholars issued an official declaration:

The New Mardin Declaration

All Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds and Peace and Salutations be upon Muhammad, who has been sent as a Mercy unto the Worlds, his family and all of his companions.A Peace Summit Conference (Mardin: The Abode of Peace) was convened in the Turkish city of Mardin at the Artuklu University campus on Saturday and Sunday (27-28 March 2010) under the auspices of the Global Center for Renewal and Guidance (GCRG – based in London) in cooperation with Canopus Consulting (based in Bristol) and sponsored by Artuklu University.

Participating in the conference was a group of renowned Muslim scholars, from across the Muslim world, who brought with them diverse and relevant specializations. They gathered in order to collectively study one of the most important (classical juridical) foundations of the relations between Muslims and fellow human beings, namely: the (classical juridical) classification of ‘abodes’ (diyar), as Islamically conceived, and other related concepts such as jihad, loyalty and enmity, citizenship, and migration (to non-Muslim territories).

They selected this juridical conceptual distinction because of its importance in the grounding of peaceful and harmonious co-existence and cooperation for good and justice between Muslims and non-Muslims, provided that it is understood in consonance with normative religious texts and maxims, and in light of higher objectives of Islamic Law.

The organizers chose as the main research theme for the conference the legal edict (fatwa) passed by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyya concerning the classification of the city of Mardin during his lifetime. The edict was chosen because of the significant intellectual, civilizational, symbolic meaning that it holds.

The point of it is that Ibn Taymiyya, in his classification of the city of Mardin –  through his deep understanding of the Shari‘ah and keen insight and awareness of the context in which he lived – went beyond the classification that was common amongst past Muslim jurists: Dividing territories into an Abode of Islam (in which the primary state is peace), an Abode of Kufr (Unbelief) (in which the primary state is war), and an Abode of ‘Ahd (Covenant) (in which the primary state is truce), amongst other divisions (that they had stipulated).

Instead of the classification common in his age, Ibn Taymiyya came up with a compound/composite classification by virtue of which civil strife amongst Muslims was averted, and their lives, wealth, and honor safeguarded, and justice amongst them and others established.

His fatwa is one that is exceptional in its formulation and that, to a large degree, addresses a similar context to our time, a political state of the world that is different from the one encountered by past jurists, and which had formed the basis for the particular way in which they had classified territories.

It is such a changed context that Ibn Taymiyya took into consideration when passing his fatwa, and that now makes it imperative that contemporary jurists review the classical classification, because of the changed contemporary situation: Muslims are now bound by international treaties through which security and peace have been achieved for the entire humanity, and in which they enjoy safety and security, with respect to their property, integrity and homelands.  Consequently, Muslims are interacting with others in unprecedented ways: politically, socially and economically.

Contemporary jurists also need to review the classical classification of abodes because there is a real need for a sound Islamic and legal vision that does not violate Islamic religious texts, is in harmony with the higher objectives of the Shari‘ah, and engages our contemporary context.

In light of the above, the participants presented and discussed research papers at the conference, and the following are the conclusions and recommendations reached:

First: Conclusions:

1. Ibn Taymiyya’s fatwa concerning Mardin can under no circumstances be appropriated and used as evidence for leveling the charge of kufr (unbelief) against fellow Muslims, rebelling against rulers, deeming game their lives and property, terrorizing those who enjoy safety and security, acting treacherously towards those who live (in harmony) with fellow Muslims or with whom fellow Muslims live (in harmony) via the bond of citizenship and peace. On the contrary, the fatwa deems all of that unlawful, not withstanding its original purpose of supporting a Muslim state against a non-Muslim state. Ibn Taymiyya agrees with all of this, and follows, the precedent of previous Muslim scholars in this regard, and does not deviate from their position. Anyone who seeks support from this fatwa for killing Muslims or non-Muslims has erred in his interpretation and has misapplied the revealed texts.

2. The classification of abodes in Islamic jurisprudence was a classification based on ijtihad (juristic reasoning) that was necessitated by the circumstances of the Muslim world, then and the nature of the international relations prevalent at that time. However, circumstances have changed now: The existence of recognized international treaties, which consider as crimes wars that do not involve repelling aggression or resisting occupation; the emergence of civil states which guarantee, on the whole, religious, ethnic and national rights, have necessitated declaring, instead, the entire world as a place of tolerance and peaceful co-existence between all religions, groups and factions in the context of establishing common good and justice amongst people, and wherein they enjoy safety and security with respect to their wealth, habitations and integrity. This is what the Shari‘ah has been affirming and acknowledging, and to which it has been inviting humanity, ever since the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) migrated to Madina and concluded the first treaty/peace agreement that guaranteed mutual and harmonious co-existence between the factions and various ethnic/race groups in a framework of justice and common/shared interest. Shortcomings and breaches perpetrated by certain states that happen to scar and mar this process cannot and should not be used as a means for denying its validity and creating conflict between it and the Islamic Shari‘ah.

3. Amongst the priorities of Muslim scholars and Islamic academic institutions should be the analysis and assessment of ideas that breed extremism, takfir (labeling fellow Muslims as unbelievers) and violence in the name of Islam.

Security measures, no matter how fair and just they may happen to be, cannot take the place of an eloquent (scholarly) elucidation supported by proof and evidence. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the Ummah’s religious scholars to condemn all forms of violent attempts-to-change or violent protest, within, or outside, Muslim societies. Such condemnation must be clear, explicit, and be a true manifestation of real courage-in-speaking-the-truth, so as to eliminate any confusion or ambiguity.

4. Muslim scholars, throughout the ages, have always stressed and emphasized that the jihad that is considered the pinnacle of the religion of Islam, is not of one type, but of many, and actually fighting in the Path of God is only one type. The validation, authorization, and execution of this particular type of jihad is granted by the Shari‘ah to only those who lead the community (actual heads of states). This is because such a decision of war is a political decision with major repercussions and consequences. Hence, it is not for a Muslim individual or Muslim group to announce and declare war, or engage in combative jihad, whimsically and on their own. This restriction is vital for preventing much evil from occurring, and for truly upholding Islamic religious texts relevant to this matter.

5. The basis of the legitimacy of jihad is that it is either to repel/resist aggression (“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors” — Surah al-Baqarah, 190), or to aid those who are weak and oppressed (“And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?” — Surah al-Nisa’, 75), or in defense of he freedom of worshiping (“To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged; — and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid” — Surah al-Hajj, 39). It is not legitimate to declare war because of differences in religion, or in search of spoils of war.

6. The issue of fatwas in Islam is a serious one. It is for this reason that scholars have drawn up stringent conditions/requirements for the Mufti (the authority issuing fatwas). Of these conditions is that he must be fully qualified in scholarly learning/knowledge. Of the conditions specific to the fatwa itself is having established the proper object of application (manat) according to place, time, and person, circumstance, and consequence/future outcome.

7. The notion of loyalty and enmity (al-wala wa al-bara) must never be used to declare anyone out of the fold of Islam, unless an actual article of unbelief is held. In all other cases, it actually involves several types of judgement ranging according to the juridical five-fold scale: (permissible, recommended, not-recommended, non-permissible, and required). Therefore, it is not permissible to narrow the application of this notion and use it for declaring a Muslim outside the fold of Islam.

Second: Recommendations:

The participants in the conference suggested the following recommendations:

- Convening an annual conference in Europe to research and explore, the Islamic conception of peace, and peaceful co-existence, between nations/communities and religions.

- Establishing the Mardin Center for Research in Islamic Political Theory.

- Creating research units and departments at Islamic universities and postgraduate institutions concerned with research, training, and qualifying of potential candidates, in the area of formulating and issuing fatwas on public issues pertaining to the entire Muslim Ummah.

- Encouraging theoretical and practical studies concerned with the historical conditions and circumstances affecting the issuing of religious edicts and opinions.

- Encouraging academic and scientific studies that focus on the historical circumstances and conditions in which the edicts of great scholars were issued in the past.

- Making more effort in revising, editing, and exploring the legacy of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyya – may Allah have mercy on him – and the legacy of the exemplary scholars, with respect to their impact on the Muslim world and what is hoped to be gained from a sound and correct understanding of their respective legacies in terms of guiding and directing both the general public and specialists.

- Referring the declaration to the various fiqh (juridical) academies in the Muslim world for the purpose of enriching it, deepening discussion around it and extending its benefit (to a wider audience).

In conclusion, the organizers and participants wish to extend their heartfelt gratitude and appreciation to all those who contributed to the success of the conference, and first and foremost amongst them the Governor of Mardin, the President of Artuklu University, and the Mufti of Mardin.

May God send his peace and salutation upon our master, Muhammad, his family and his Companions, and all Praise be to God through Whose bounty and favour righteous works are completed.


Shaykh Abd al-Wahhab al-Turayri, former professor at al-Imam University in Riyadh wrote a detailed explanation of how this conference clarified a much abused fatwa:

I wish to speak about the Mardin Conference as someone who was closely involved with it from the conceptualization phase all the way up to its concluding session when the “New Mardin Declaration” was issued.

The Conference was convened by the Global Center for Renewal and Guidance (GCRG) in cooperation with Mardin’s Artuklu University with the purpose of studying Ibn Taymiyah’s “Mardin fatwa”. The conference was chaired by the eminent scholar Sheikh Abdullah Bin Bayyih. Indeed, the conference was his initiative. His hope for the conference was to take Ibn Taymiyah’s Mardin fatwa from the specific geographical focus for which it was intended to a broader global focus and from the contingencies of Ibn Taymiyah’s time to a timeless understanding.

To achieve this goal, the conference needed to investigate a number of topics:

(1) A full conceptual understanding of the fatwa was needed.

(2) The correct text of the fatwa had to be determined and errors in transmission identified.

(3) A correct understanding of the Mardin fatwa must be determined on the basis of the above.

(4) The fatwa’s benefits for the present day must be investigated.

The First Investigation: Conceptualizing the Fatwa

Mardin is the region of Turkey where Ibn Taymiyah was born. His home city, Harran, is located within Mardin. The Mongols conquered and occupied Mardin when Ibn Taymiyah was seven years old, forcing him and his family to flee.

The people of Mardin were Muslims. Ibn Taymiyah regarded the Mongol occupiers who ruled them as people who were unbelievers in Islam as well as spoilers and murderers, since the Mongols carried out numerous atrocities against the inhabitants of the region. The situation in the region was one where the general populace was Muslim but living under the dominion of non-Muslim rulers.

Ibn Taymiyah was asked about the people of Mardin: Should the people of Mardin be considered as hypocrites? Is it obligatory on the Muslims population there to emigrate? Is Mardin still to be considered part of the Muslim world?

His answer – known as the Mardin fatwa – addressed these points clearly:

1. The lives and property of the people of Mardin are inviolable. Their living under the subjugation of the Mongols does not compromise any of their rights, nor can they be maligned verbally or accused of hypocrisy.

2. As long as the inhabitants of Mardin are able to practice their religion, they are not obliged to emigrate.

3. They should not give assistance to those who are fighting against the Muslims, even if they are forced to flatter them, be evasive, or absent themselves.

4. The territory is neither wholly a part of the Muslim world, since it is under the domination of the Mongols, nor is it part of the non-Muslim world since its populace is Muslim. It is in fact a composite of the two. The Muslims living therein should be treated according to their rights as Muslims, while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be treated according to their rights.

Ibn Taymiyah’s nuanced description of the region demonstrates something of his ingenuity in dealing with complex questions and situations.

The Second Investigation: Determining the Correct Wording of the Fatwa

The text of the fatwa is as follows:

Ibn Taymiyah was asked about the land of Mardin. Is it a land of war or peace? Are the Muslims who live there obligated to emigrate to other Muslim countries? If they are obliged to emigrate and they fail to do so, and if they assist the enemies of Islam with their lives and property, are they sinful for doing so? Are those who accuse them of hypocrisy and malign them sinful for doing so?

Ibn Taymiyah answered:

Praise be to Allah. The lives and property of the Muslims are inviolable, whether they are living in Mardin or elsewhere. Assisting those who are acting in opposition to Islam is unlawful, whether those who give the assistance are the people of Mardin or others. The people living there, if they are unable to practice their religion, then they are obliged to emigrate. Otherwise, it is preferable but not an obligation that they do so. It is unlawful for them to aid the enemies of the Muslims with their lives and property. They must refuse to do so by whatever means they can, like absenting themselves, being evasive, or showing flattery. If the only way open to them is to emigrate, then that is what they must do. It is not lawful to malign them categorically or to accuse them of hypocrisy. Disparaging and accusations of hypocrisy must be according to the designations set forth in the Qur’an and Sunnah and are equally applicable to some of the people of Mardin as they are applicable to some people elsewhere.

As for whether it is a land of war or peace, it is a composite situation. It is not an abode of peace where the legal rulings of Islam are applied and its armed forces are Muslim. Neither is it the same as an abode of war whose inhabitants are unbelievers. It is a third category. The Muslims living therein should be treated according to their rights as Muslims, while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be treated according to their rights.

A discrepancy has come up in some printed editions of the fatwa with regard to the final passage “The Muslims living therein should be treated according to their rights as Muslims, while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be treated according to their rights.”

In some printed editions, the text is corrupted to read: “…while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be fought as is their due.”

This change in meaning is the consequence of the substitution of two letters in a single word. Instead of the correct word yu`āmal (should be treated), the word is rendered yuqātal (should be fought). This typographic error changes the meaning of the phrase drastically.

The correct wording of the fatwa appears in the following sources:

1. The only known manuscript copy of the fatwa which is the Zahiriyyah Library manuscript (2757) archived at the Asad Library in Damascus.

2. The fatwa is quoted by Ibn Taymiyah’s student and contemporary Ibn Muflih in his work Adāb al-Sharī`ah (1/212), with its correct wording: “…while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be treated according to their rights.”

3. It is also quoted correctly in al-Durur al-Saniyyah (12/248)

4. Sheikh Rashid Rida quotes it correctly in the journal al-Manār.

Regarding the corrupted wording, it makes its first appearance roughly 100 years ago in the 1909 edition of Ibn Taymiyah’s Fatawathat was printed and published by Faraj Allah al-Kirdi. Thereafter, Sheikh Abdurrahman al-Qasim’s edition was printed and published based upon the text of the Kirdi edition, and therefore replicating the error (28/248).

Due to the wide availability of this edition of the Fatawa, the inaccurate wording became the one that was well known to the public and to students of religious knowledge. Likewise, when the fatwa was translated into English, French, and other languages, the printed edition containing the error was relied upon. As a result, the reputation of Islam was compromised, and also a few young people in the West who converted to Islam got a false impression of Islam’s teachings.

If the Mardin Conference achieved nothing other than to bring this error to light and correct it, then this would have been accomplishment enough.

The Third Investigation: Determining the Correct Meaning of the Fatwa

The corrupted text of the Mardin fatwa has become the basis for the legitimization of many violent and militant groups within Muslim society. Among those who used the fatwa in this manner was Abdussalam Faraj in his book al-Farīdah ahl-Ghā’ibah (p. 6), which has become a manifesto for militant groups.

Many scholars have subsequently refuted his conclusions, including the former rector of al-Azhar Sheikh Jad al-Haqq, as well as the Chairman of al-Azhar’s Fatwa Board Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqar. They successfully discussed the implications of the Mardin fatwa according to its context, even though they accepted the text as it reached them in its corrupted state. Had they known the authentic wording of the text, it would have saved them a lot of trouble.

The reason why militant groups rely upon the Mardin fatwa to legitimize their behaviour is because of the corrupted phrase “…while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be fought.” This phrase can be seen to imply two things:

1. The directive to fight is given in the passive voice, without stating who is to carry out the fighting. Militant groups have used this as license for them to assume for themselves the role of taking up arms against people from within Muslim countries and communities.

2. The phrase “outside of the authority of Islamic Law” becomes ambiguous in the context of the corrupted rendering of the text. It could be interpreted to mean almost anyone, starting from those who commit minor sins to those who commit major violations. This has given militant groups a wide scope of interpretation for acting against others.

Once the authentic wording of the text is known, however, what the militant groups rely upon disappears entirely. The understanding of the fatwa is completely different. The correct wording of the fatwa emphasizes the inviolability of Muslim life and rules out any possibility of placing their lives or property in jeopardy. The fatwa clearly states: “The lives and property of the Muslims are inviolable, whether they are living in Mardin or elsewhere… It is not lawful to malign them categorically or to accuse them of hypocrisy.”

Also, it makes it clear that places like Mardin are neither places where Islamic Law is implemented nor places of conflict. Ibn Taymiyah in his fatwa declares that Muslims can live there as long as they are free to practice their religion and that the Muslims are entitled to be treated by other Muslims according to the rights that they have as Muslims, and the non-Muslims who live there and who are not subject to Islamic rulings should be afforded their rights as well.

This is what the Mardin fatwa really says, when its authentic text is relied upon.

The Fourth Investigation: Relevance for Our Times

Ibn Taymiyah, in his fatwa, recognizes that the world is not to be divided simplistically into Islamic lands and non-Islamic lands, unlike many before him who held to that dualistic view.

He recognized that there is a third type of society which has aspects of both. Furthermore, he stated that Muslims can live in such societies as long as they are free to practice their religion and that everyone should be afforded their rights. Muslims should recognize the religious rights of their fellow Muslims living in those lands, as well as the rights of the non-Muslims there who are not subject to Islamic Law.

This fatwa has relevance for today’s pluralistic world, where there is scarcely a country where Muslims do not live. The conditions the Muslims live under vary from country to country. In many countries of the world, Muslim minorities fully enjoy the right to practice their faith. They are allowed to worship according to Islamic teachings and they are not coerced into suppressing or abandoning their faith. Those countries may not be part of the Muslim world, but they are certainly lands of peace and security.

We can see that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) sent the first party of emigrants from Mecca to Abyssinia, a non-Muslim country, and he did so because it was a land of security where the Muslims were safe in their religion. This was because the king of Abyssinia was a just king who never wronged the people under his authority.

This is the gist of what the New Mardin Declaration stated, which was ratified by the delegates at the end of the Mardin Conference.

Shaikh Hamza Yusuf discussed this New Mardin Declaration and its importance at the ‘Rethinking Islamic Reform’ 2010 Conference at the Oxford University Islamic Society in Britain.

Tom Heneghan wrote an article on Reuters Muslim scholars recast jihadists’ favorite fatwa in which he noted

A conference in Mardin in southeastern Turkey declared the fatwa by 14th century scholar Ibn Taymiyya rules out militant violence and the medieval Muslim division of the world into a “house of Islam” and “house of unbelief” no longer applies.

Osama bin Laden has quoted Ibn Taymiyya’s “Mardin fatwa” repeatedly in his calls for Muslims to overthrow the Saudi monarchy and wage jihad against the United States.

Referring to that historic document, the weekend conference said: “Anyone who seeks support from this fatwa for killing Muslims or non-Muslims has erred in his interpretation.

... The Mardin conference gathered 15 leading scholars from countries including Saudi Arabia, Turkey, India, Senegal, Kuwait, Iran, Morocco and Indonesia. Among them were Bosnian Grand Mufti Mustafa Ceric, Sheikh Abdullah bin Bayyah of Mauritania and Yemeni Sheikh Habib Ali al-Jifri.

S Iftikhar Murshed wrote about this conference and its’ importance in the article Reality of “Mardin fatwa” of Ibn Taymiyyah to justify mass murder by Al-Qa’ida and Taliban:

The focus of the meeting was the “Mardin fatwa” of Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328). Al Qaeda and its affiliated networks have repeatedly invoked the decree to justify mass murder in the name of Islam.

The scholars collectively examined what they described as “one of the most important classical juridical foundations of the relations between Muslims and fellow human beings, namely: the (classical juridical) classification of ‘abodes’ (diyar) as Islamically conceived, and related concepts such as jihad, loyalty and enmity, citizenship, and migration (to non-Muslim territories).”


Pakistan, which is the world’s foremost victim of terrorism, is not even in the periphery of the dialectic among reputed Muslim scholars to defeat the ideology of extremist violence. Despite its pretensions of being a leader of the Islamic world, Pakistan was conspicuous by its absence from one of the most important meetings on this issue last year in the ancient city of Mardin in south-eastern Turkey. Today it is exactly one year that the New Mardin Declaration was adopted by globally renowned theologians and academics from across the Islamic world including Saudi Arabia, Turkey, India, Senegal, Kuwait, Yemen, Bosnia, Mauritania, Iran, Morocco and Indonesia.

The conference, which was held on March 27-28, 2010, at Mardin’s Artuklu University, effectively deconstructed any religious justification for acts of terror. The focus of the meeting was the “Mardin fatwa” of Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328). Al Qaeda and its affiliated networks have repeatedly invoked the decree to justify mass murder in the name of Islam.
The scholars collectively examined what they described as “one of the most important classical juridical foundations of the relations between Muslims and fellow human beings, namely: the (classical juridical) classification of ‘abodes’ (diyar) as Islamically conceived, and related concepts such as jihad, loyalty and enmity, citizenship, and migration (to non-Muslim territories).”


Ibn Taymiyya was born in Haran, a sleepy little town in the Mardin region, and was only seven at the time of the Mongol conquest of the area. Though he was forced to flee along with his family, vivid memories of the atrocities haunted him for the rest of his life. Several years later he was asked whether Mardin was an abode of war (Dar al-Kufr) or of peace (Dar al-Islam). Little did he know that centuries later his response would be distorted to justify violence and insurrection.

More specifically, his opinion was sought whether the Muslims who did not emigrate after the Mongol occupation of Mardin were to be condemned as hypocrites and also whether the region continued to be a part of the Muslim world. His answer, which came to be known as the Mardin fatwa, was:


(i) the lives and property of the Mardin Muslims were inviolable and they were not to be accused of hypocrisy; 
(ii) there was no obligation for them to emigrate as long as they were able to practice their religion; 
(iii) they should not provide assistance to those who fight against Muslims; and, 
(iv) Mardin was not wholly a part of the Muslim world because it was under Mongol rule but neither was it a non-Muslim territory for the reason that its people adhered to Islam.

The critically important part of the fatwa was:  “The Muslims living therein should be treated according to their rights as Muslims, while the non-Muslims living there outside the authority of Islamic law should be treated according to their rights.”


This brilliantly nuanced formulation, which sought to avoid violence, was subsequently corrupted thereby completely reversing its peaceful intent.
The distorted text reads:

                  “...while the non-Muslims living there outside the authority of Islamic law should be fought as is their due.”


This was the outcome of the inadvertent substitution of two letters in a single word. The original decree contains the word yu’amal (should be treated) but was rendered as yuqatal (should be fought) and this minor error was to have disastrous consequences in the contemporary era.


According to Sheikh ‘Abd al-Wahhab al-Turayri, former professor at Riyadh’s al-Imam University, the only known copy of the original fatwa is archived at the Asad Library in Damascus and was correctly quoted by Ibn Taymiyya’s student, Ibn Muflih, in his work Adab al-Shariah. The Syrian born reformer, Muhammad Rashid Rida (1865-1935) also used the uncorrupted version of the decree in the scholarly journal al-Manar which he published from Cairo in association with the famous Muhammad Abduh.

It was in the 1909 edition of Ibn Taymiyya’s Fatawa published by Faraj Allah al Kirdi that the distorted text of the original decree made its first appearance. The error was not rectified and was not only repeated in several subsequent publications of Fatawa but also translated into English, French and other languages.

So widespread did the corrupted text become that even leading scholars did not question its veracity. For instance, the former rector of al-Azhar, Sheikh Jad al-Haqq and the chairman of the al-Azhar Fatwa Board, Sheikh Attiyyah Saqar, were constrained to painstakingly refute the al-Kirdi edition of the Fatawa by citing several passages of the Qur’an and the Traditions. At the Mardin Conference, Sheikh al-Wahhab al-Turayri observed: “Had they known the authentic wording of the text, it would have saved them a lot of trouble.”

The distorted version of the Mardin fatwa provided the ideological justification for terrorist violence in the guise of religion.

The Egyptian engineer turned revolutionary theorist, Muhammad abd al-Salam Faraj (1954-1982) used the corrupted text for his book Al Farida al Ghaiba which posits jihad as the sixth pillar of Islam and has become the handbook for terrorist groups. Faraj was inspired by Maulana Maududi and Sayyid Qutb of the Islamic Brotherhood and in particular their interpretations of Ibn Taymiyya’s writings. He later broke away from the Muslim Brotherhood because it sought integration with the Egyptian political process on the ground that fighting Israel took precedence over toppling the regime.

Faraj also had sharp differences with the Takfir w’al Hijra, an extremist group led by Shukri Mustafa (1942-1978), which believed that the Muslims should separate from “infidel society” and refrain from fighting till they were strong enough to launch jihad. In contrast, Faraj wanted to attack “infidels and apostates” immediately. He established the Jama’at al-Jihad in 1981 which assassinated President Anwar Sadat on October 6 of that year. Faraj was executed six months later.

The policy adopted by Al Qaeda synthesises Shukri Mustafa’s concept of migration to safe havens beyond the reach of domestic and foreign security forces and Faraj’s call for immediate jihad. Thus Al Qaeda relocated to sanctuaries primarily in Afghanistan, Pakistan’s tribal areas, north-eastern Iraq and Yemen from where terrorist attacks can be launched.

It was the distortion of Ibn Taymiyya’s teachings emanating from the corrupted text of his fatwa that the Mardin Conference effectively exposed. Its final declaration, which was the collective endeavour of some of the most eminent theologians from different persuasions within Islam, clearly stated that:
      
              “Only the lawful leader of the Muslim community, and not individuals or groups, could declare “combative jihad” solely for the purpose of repelling aggression.”


This had an impact as was apparent from the reaction of extremist outfits who described the participants of the Mardin meeting as “the scholars of desertion”. Al Qaeda denigrated the conference as a “contemporary surrender movement” which sought to advance the interests of the west which had embarked on the “fiercest crusade” against the Muslim world.

Pakistan continues to bleed from the wounds of extremist violence but the government is not even aware of the ideological battle Muslim scholars are waging to defeat terrorism. If President Zardari is at all serious about his pledge at the joint session of parliament on Tuesday to vanquish “the mindset that preaches violence and hatred,” the first step should be the widest possible dissemination of the New [uncorrupted] Mardin Declaration.

It is absolutely amazing that Islamophobes like Robert Spencer are able to find fault even with such an important effort to undermine the foundations of any rationale that Muslims might use to justify terrorism.  He wrote an article doing just that. 


UPDATE 11/18/2010

Anwar al-Awlaki has attacked the Mardin Conference’s Declaration on Jihad.  Jack Barclay discussed this development in the Terrorism Monitor he notes:

In his essay “The New Mardin Declaration: An Attempt at Justifying a New World Order,” al-Awlaki attempts to discredit this viewpoint with a stinging attack on both the scholars behind the declaration and their motives.

...  Al-Awlaki’s critique of the Mardin Declaration could be seen as an example of why he is such an effective communicator. Put simply, he knows his audience – largely a minority of young English-speaking Muslims in the West - and pitches his arguments at a level that is simple, emotive, and compelling. He directly addresses the issues of concern to many young Western Muslims experiencing a growing religiosity and concern about the plight of their co-religionists abroad. By comparison, as al-Awlaki himself puts it, rival “establishment” scholars use what he calls “the language of lawyers and peace activists” to offer nothing more than calls for non-violence and interfaith dialogue, while condemning their fellow Muslims’ use of force to defend themselves and their religion. Al-Awlaki poses another simple question – if the jihad is not legitimate now, while the Muslim world is under such sustained attack, then when is it legitimate?

Al-Awlaki’s essay is an impassioned critique of the Mardin Declaration, not a theological refutation. That is not to say that al-Awlaki does not attempt to support his arguments with references to Islamic doctrine. However, these references are concise and accessible, and he never allows the clarity of his message to become lost amid overly detailed, introspective debate on the finer (though by no means unimportant) points of Islamic jurisprudence. While the publication of tracts at the more detailed juridical level is undoubtedly important in shoring up perceived theological top-cover for Jihadist violence, al-Awlaki possibly knows that much of this screed may be lost on a good proportion of his audience who may possess only modest levels of scriptural knowledge. Al-Awlaki focuses instead on highlighting those issues he knows will provoke a sense of widespread moral outrage among Muslims, such as the human cost of ongoing conflict in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Palestinian Territories, and elsewhere.

In the bigger picture, it is interesting that al-Awlaki has bothered to pen such an extensive rebuttal of the Mardin Declaration at all. While initially deriding such pronouncements and their authors as being at best irrelevant and at worst sell-outs to the jihadist cause, jihadist scholars nevertheless seem compelled to respond with exhaustive criticism and theological refutations, which may be a reflection of a perceived strategic vulnerability. The publication in 2007 of extensive recantations by leading Egyptian jihadist ideologue Sayyid Imam al-Sharif (a.k.a. Dr. Fadl) is one of the most compelling examples of how such critiques have the power to tie down al-Qaeda ideologues in high-profile scholarly debate. If sustained, such critiques have the potential to damage the credibility of the jihadist narrative and the theological undercarriage that supports it. An interesting problem for Western counterterrorism agencies and officials involved in counter-radicalization programs is the extent to which they could or should find ways to amplify or selectively redeploy excerpts of these recantations to maximize their effectiveness against the jihadist adversary.

 
SEE ALSO:

Mardin Conference Website: http://www.mardin-fatwa.com/

 Originally posted May, 2010

Source: http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/mardin_conference

URL: http://www.newageislam.com/radical-islamism-and-jihad/sheila-musaji/ibn-taymiyyah’s-mardin-fatwa-has-been-distorted-to-provide-ideological-justification-for-terrorist-violence-in-the-guise-of-religion/d/9541

  




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  • وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِيٍّ إِلَّا إِذَا تَمَنَّى أَلْقَى الشَّيْطَانُ فِي أُمْنِيَّتِهِ فَيَنسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ آيَاتِهِ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ

    52. Never did We send a Messenger or a Prophet before you but that when he recited (God's Revelations to the people), Satan would make insinuations (about these Revelations, prompting people to misconstrue them in many wrong senses, rather than the right one). But God abrogates whatever insinuations Satan may make, and then He confirms and establishes His Revelations. God is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

    Perhaps Satan is more powerful than Allah or at least equal to Allah.



    By rational - 12/10/2012 9:36:47 AM



  • Dear Aiman Reyaz, "Not even a letter has been added or subtracted and it can never happen in the future."
    I am sure in reply as a proof you will quote some verse of the Quran. Quran is the party we are discussing. Its verse can't be proof for itself.
    Do you believe letter by, letter, style, punctuation, everything  is from Allah. Nothing added deleted. How are you sure?
    You can say Allah said himself. It is your belief not proof. What is your source to prove?
    Remember witness of the son of Hz Ali was not accepted by the Judge(Hz Ali vs A Jew).
    By rational - 12/9/2012 8:34:34 AM



  • Dear Aiman Reyaz. Though I don't believe in incarnation, but it seems you are the incarnation of Mr Md Yunus(1). Please don't mind. It is not a sarcastic comment.
    If you read my comments it is clear I don't take Iman part. I take Aamal-Saliha which can be practiced without Iman. Why I ask Questions? I ask questions to know how Muslims think. What are there answers? Many answers I know already.
    Belief is belief. It doesn't need any proof. People believe in Jins, Ghosts, one God, many Gods, Devtas, Devis, vehicles of gods and what not. Each claim they are write.
    Biggest problem is interpretation of holy cryptic texts. I will not speak about scholars. I take one example. A person is born and grown in the Brailvi Family. From childhood he learned and practiced what Brailvis do. All scholars and Brailvi people taught him that he belongs to Ahle-Sunnat-wal-Jamat and it is the only right way to practice the religion Islam rest are Gumarh. Every brailvi scholar convince him by quoting from the Quran and Sunna..
    Late he meets a Salafi. Salafi tells him his beliefs are shirk and and practices are Bid-aat. Shirk is unpardonable sin and bidaati ki nijat nahi.
    He is not a scholar. Now what will happen. Both are Gumarah in each others eye. Fasad is sure. This example can be applied to all other sects.
    Who is responsible? How can they validate their contrary views quoting the same sources.
    And Allah simply is not bothered. All Muslims are fighting with each other physically and psychologically. How one can determine for sure he is right?
    This example can be extended to all religions. I doubt if religions were/are successful to achieve peace. It is almost impossible. History gives clear proof.
    Conclusion: In my view there is no need to believe in God single or multiple, Devtas and Devis. People were/are good and bad with and without religions.
    Religions don't make people good, they all convince the followers. Once convinced followers can go to any extent and can commit any obnoxious act without any remorse. They are convinced by their beliefs that they will be rewarded in this life if not then in hereafter.
    If you say there are many pious believers among believers, yes there are. So what there are many pious people are in non-believing people. What is the cause of their piousness?   These are my views and I am convinced by my conscious that good actions are good because they are good and as human being we should strive for. Bad actions bring something bad so we should avoid them.
    I think this must be our goal. Religions on large scale failed to achieve it.  For you these views may be incoherent. I try to suppress takabbur.
    As a person I am a mix of good and bad as all common people are. We are discussing controversial issues so feelings may be at stake.
    I just returned from Haridwar. Before leaving in the morning I commented to you and now this comment without any ill-feeling.
    Hope I have made my stand clear. If not please feel free. I find a good person in you and don't mind what you believe till you are as you are now. Good night my dear.
    By rational - 12/9/2012 8:21:16 AM



  • @Raj, rest assured I will not be quoting anything from the Quran except this verse. The Quran says:

    “They didn’t kill him and they didn’t they crucify him, it was only made to appear so and anyone who differs in this are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge and they follow only conjectures”.

    Now coming to the Bible, Paul says:

    “If Christ has not risen from the dead, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain”

    Before diving into the topic I want to make this very clear that my intention is not to deride Christianity and its teachings but since you have forced me I am bound to reply.

    If Jesus did not die and rise up from the dead then there is no Christianity- no good deeds can save you from the eternal fire.

    I think it will be very rude on my part to go into the details, hence I will summarise the main points to prove that there is no crucifixion and hence there is no resurrection:

    First of all there were no eye witnesses to the happenings. The Gospel according to Mark says that “All his disciples fled him”.

    When the Jews came up to Jesus to show some miracles, Jesus puts all his eggs in one basket and said “Ye evil and adulterous generation ye seeketh after a sign no sign shall be given but the sign of Jonah: for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale so shall the son of Man be in the heart of the earth”.

    If you know that Bible you will know about the Book of Jonah and (since I don’t want to go into the details , I am assuming that you know the book of jonah). How was Jonah? Dead or alive- He was alive so if Jesus is like Jonah, how should Jesus be dead or alive? He should be alive but the Christians say he is dead. Believe me they are lying.   

    Jesus said in John 20 “For I am not yet ascended unto my Father”

    This verse explicitly proves that Jesus was not crucified.

    I think this proves beyond any doubt that Jesus (pbuh) was not crucified, I can give more reasons but I think this will suffice. If any quotation is not verbatim then blame my memory!

    Regarding various versions of the Bible- yes there are so many versions of the Bible. Let me give you just one, no two examples. First there is confusion as to whose Bible is correct: Catholics or Protestants. Catholics have 73 books in their Bibles, while the Protestants have 66 books in their bible. I want to ask which one is the original and correct one? There is a substractoin of 7 books from the Catholic version of the Bible.

    The other example: there is a conflict between the King James Version and the Revised Standard Version. In the king james version it is said in John “For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son for whosoever believeth in him shall have everlasting life” this is the foundation of Christianity, everyone knows this verse.  But this verse is not in the Revised Standard Version. This verse has been thrown out as a fabrication. I can give more examples, but even if one verse is misplaced then the whole book is to taken with a pinch of salt.

    Finally you ask me to read the links sent by Mr rational, I think for me it is a waste of time to send links to me because i don’t want to read them. The arguments are so baseless that it is not even worth looking. You read those articles and tell me your doubts and if I know then I shall try to answer.

    You say in the end that all scripts are from God but later on they got corrupted. If that is the case with the Quran then I shall stop beliving in the Quran. The Quran is the only religious book that has its pristine purity for over 1400 years. Not even a letter has been added or subtracted and it can never happen in the future.

     

     


    By Aiman Reyaz - 12/9/2012 7:34:40 AM



  • @Aiman Reyazji, please prove Jesus not resurrected from Bible or else give any link regarding  Bible never says resurrection of Jesus. Becaue, this is the core theme of bible. Donot take verses from Quran.
    you say so many variations of bible.I take one variation  of bible and show that scripts must be protected from corruption. So, this is your responsiblity to show another variation of bible and there is no promise given. I never say St.Paul appionted by Jesus who never seen Jesus in his life. If we read from acts of apostles  then we come to know how St.paul  appointed as apostle for Gentiles(other nations)
    Please read comments from Jnab Ghulam Mohiyudeen Saheb regarding the article "Jesus in Quran".Then, unnecessary quarrel  not raise.
              Regarding corruption of Quran, the links provided by Rational is more than enough.
          I believe all scripts  are words  of God but later stage  corruption occured. Therefore, this is our responsiblity to find out truths from all scripts.
    By Dharama_raj - 12/9/2012 2:17:17 AM



  • @Rational, I would be happy to know if Mr Yunus’ and my replies have helped to remove some of your doubts because every time we try to answer and clear your doubts you bring a list of other doubts and questions. I, personally love difficult questions and I don’t have any problem answering any type of question. The only things that bothers me is time, I have to do a lot of studies hence I cannot answer in great detail. I try to cut short the answer.

    Now in this comment you say that Jesus said that only thorugh him people will get salvation.  I think I have already answered this .Jesus said in John 14,  I guess, that ‘I am the way the truth and the light’. Yes I agree with his statement, every prophet at that time is the way of the truth and salvation. At the time of Noah, all those who followed Noah, by following his word and sittin on the ark, were saved. All those who rejected him were destroyed and there is no salvation for them.

    Jesus said ‘except the righteousness of the people exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees there is no heaven for you’ that is unless one is better than the Jew there is no heaven.

    When a person came upto Jesus and asked him about the first commandment jesus repeated verbatim ‘Hear O Israel, our Lord, our God is one God’. If he is God or if he had believed in trinity then that was the time to say ‘believe that I am God’ or ‘Say that father, son and the holy ghost are one in three and three in one’.

    Jesus said that you can attain salvation only through faith and good deeds and not by faith alone.  


    By Aiman Reyaz - 12/8/2012 10:45:46 PM



  • @Raj, I hope you have good knowledge about the Quran to prove it to me that the Quran has been corrupted. If you don’t have good knowledge then ask someone who has “good knowledge” and I shall try to answer. Remember I want proof and not belief.


    By Aiman Reyaz - 12/8/2012 10:36:23 PM



  • @Raj, I will answer points wise

    1.       After resurrection, Jesus commanded to his disciples, go every nation and spread Gospel.
    Meaning that the responsiblity to spread his message to nations not by him but by his disciples.That's why, St.paul appointed to spread christainity for Gentiles.(other nations)”

    First of all there was no resurrection. I didn’t want to go into the details but since you have forced me by being judgemental in your attitude I have to speak these things. Jesus Christ (pbuh) was not even crucified so how can he resurrect. If there is no crucifixion then there can be no resurrection. I can prove from the Bible that Jesus was not crucified. If you want I can do that, but I don’t want to do it. Even if I agree with you that his disciples were sent to preach the Gospels to all the worlds, can I ask you what Gospel was Jesus talking about. While preaching did Jesus have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John under his arm? Regarding St Paul, do you know, sir, that he was not even the appointed disciple of Jesus? He was self appointed.

    2.       “God never promise to protect Bible.
    In proverbs, old testment clearly told no one letter add and delete from scripts. Hence,both your views refuted.”

    I am unable to understand your sentence sir, kindly write this in such a manner so that I can understand and then be able to reply. Anyways I am still replying. If you say that in the Book of Proverbs, God said that the Bible cannot be changed then I would like to say that God’s word has not been fulfilled because there are so many versions of the Bible and not just “one letter” but chunks and chunks of verses are being played about. 


    By Aiman Reyaz - 12/8/2012 10:31:01 PM



  • Dear Aiman Reyaz
    Thanks for a prompt reply.
    The Jesus Christ was sent to the sheep of the Bani Israel. He clearly told that I am not for gentiles. But later He passed his message to all and christian now say "one can get salvation only through the Jesus."
    More in the next coming comments.
    By rational - 12/8/2012 9:17:23 PM



  • @Aiman Reyazji,
    You cannot reply to my comments.That's why you divert from core issue. If you not believe me then consult with bible scholars.
    you says  "Do you believe in that the Bible is completely the word of God? "       
    Again and Again ,you people like muslim apologists eagerly quoting verses from  other's scripts and other time try to prove other scripts are corrupted in order to show supremacy of Quran over other scripts and try to prove Mohammed is final prophet.
    See, I am neither chirstian nor muslim.How you believe Quran  completely is word of God like that chirstians believe Bible is completed came from God.
          Chirstains and muslims completely believe their scripts came from God. But,hindiusm told corruption might be occured in scripts  in kaliyug ,the yug of confusion. Lord kirishna clearly told Arjuna,how fire surrounded by dust, action(karma) surrounded by sins. Those who have good  knowledage on Bible,Quran and hindu scripts or any other scripts  easily could prove corruptions  in these scripts.
    By Dharama_raj - 12/8/2012 8:53:24 PM



  • @Rational I shall try to answer point by point:
    1.       “The prophet was not sure about his prophecy in beginning.”
    So what? Does this negate him from his Prophethood. I did not know I was born as a boy, later I came to realise and notice about it. my knowledge expanded as time passed. At 40, God thought it fit to reveal to Muhammad (pbuh) the divine message of the Quran.
    2.       “The Quran is in Arabic because its addressees were Arabs.”
    Yes the Quran is in Arabic. Are you asking that since the Quran is in Arabic it is only for the Arabs? If yes then sir if that is the case then science should also be reserved only to scientists.  The Bible as we have in the present form was not like this. The Old Testament was in Hebrew and the New Testament was in Greek, though some OT were also in Aramaic. So in that case was OT sent only for those people speaking Hebrew and Aramaic and NT for Greece only or Greek speaking people only?  I don’t think so. Most of us don’t even know that OT was originally written in Hebrew and NT in Greek, many think that they were in English. God says that ‘He has divided people into nations and tribes so that you may recognise each other and not that ye shall despise each other. And the most honoured in the sight of God is one who has Taqwa- righteousness’. Allah has created all the languages and He has helped them in their evolution and by the grace of Allah we can translate any piece of literature, hence there is no problem if the message is in Hindi, Urdu, English, Arabic, French etc.
    3.       “The Quran is written in a different style to convince the Arabs.”
    If you know Arabic you would know better that local Arabic grammar keeps on changing, even the syntax and gender of the language is different in different tribes of Arabia. You may not know this but the Bible has 11 different translations in Arabic!
    4.       “Many rituals/customs of Islam have Arab pagan roots even Jewish”
    Some people say that the embryonic development that is given in the Quran has been copied from the Greeks, especially from Aristotle. If you write 2+2=4 and after that I write 2+2=4 it is not necessary that I have copied from you. It can be possible that I may have cheated, but if I cheat then I should have cheated or copied the whole thing. Modern science confirms the embryonic development given in the Quran but in the case of Aristotle and other Greeks, it rejects some of their ideas. So if any idea or custom has its origin from the pagan roots, what is wrong in it as long as it does not go against the commandment of God. Regarding “Jewish” I have already written an article on it.
    5.       “We non-Arabs can't enjoy the beauty of the Quran which is called a Miracle. It can be Miracle for Arabs. If we enjoy some verses in the voice of some Qari it doesn't mean it is miraculous. We enjoy Hindi Urdu songs equally and some songs fill tears in our eyes. It depends on our moods and conditioning of mind.”
    Regarding the first sentence, the Quran is a miracle of a miracle of a miracle. I am not exaggerating. When the Quranic verses were revealed the people at that time thought that some Muhammad (pbuh) has become the world’s best Arabic poet. But lo! It was not just poetry, it was/is much, much more. The Quran is a miracle in terms of science, psychology, sociology, biologically, educationally, morally, spiritually and I don’t know I can think of anything else. I agree with your last two sentences.
    Sir, I am no scholar. I am a humble learner and an observant. It is very late at night, I sleep early, at around 9, it is already crossed 9:30 and  I am feeling very sleepy and I don’t have the energy to read that “scholar’s” articles. But in the end I would like to say one thing, you have not quoted me these 5 points.
    Anyways I hope I have answered to at least a little bit of your satisfaction. Good night. J
    By Aiman Reyaz - 12/8/2012 10:07:14 AM



  • @ Dharma Raj, thank you for the comment. I hope you know the Bible as good as you make others (or me) believe then only we can have serious discussion and debate about it.

    You say that I see the Bible from the eyes of the Quran. Ok now in this comment I will not. I will ask some things from you and if you can then only will I put forward my points. Do you believe in that the Bible is completely the word of God? And does it contain any contradiction, error etc? Answer this first, and then I will proceed. Thank you.


    By Aiman Reyaz - 12/8/2012 9:26:48 AM



  • Dear Aiman Riyaz. One more link on the preservation of the Quran.
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Khaled/quran_preserved.htm
    By rational - 12/8/2012 8:18:52 AM



  • Dear Aiman Reyaz saheb
    Thanks for your reply.
    I am free to quote from the Quran, Ahadith and Sira. They all together make the Islam.
    I will summarize as below
    1. The prophet was not sure about his prophecy in beginning.
    2. The Quran is in Arabic because its addressees were Arabs.
    3. The Quran is written in a different style to convince the Arabs.
    4. Many rituals/customs of Islam have Arab pagan roots even Jewish
    5. We non-Arabs can't enjoy the beauty of the Quran which is called a Miracle. It can be Miracle for Arabs. If we enjoy some verses in the voice of some Qari it doesn't mean  it is miraculous. We enjoy Hindi Urdu songs equally and some songs fill tears in our eyes. It depends on our moods and conditioning of mind.
    For me you you and Ali Sina are scholars. Since I am not and you have stated your explanation I am posting a link to Ali's article.
    One link will take you to article on the corruption of holy text.
    http://alisina.org/blog/2012/06/28/is-islam-for-all-mankind/
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Walid/corruption.html
    I read both from Muslims and non-Muslims. And I take what appeals to my mind. Of course I may be wrong as Most of the Muslims are wrong in understanding of the Quran.
    It is strange that every person who reads the Quran has different understanding and declares others understanding wrong.
    It is truth and majority of the Muslims will land into the hell.

    By rational - 12/8/2012 7:11:18 AM



  • @Aiman Reyaz, Again, you are showing poor understanding of Bible.you seen Bible in Quran eyes.
    1)Jesus sent for only Jews.This is old argument of  muslim apologists.
    After resurrection, Jesus commanded   to his disciples,go every nation and spread Gospel.
    Meaning that the responsiblity to spread his message to nations not  by him but by his disciples.That's why, St.paul appointed to spread christainity for Gentiles.(other nations)
    2)God never promise to protect Bible.
    In proverbs, old testment clearly told no one letter add and delete from scripts. Hence,both your views refuted.
    By Dharama_raj - 12/8/2012 6:10:19 AM



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