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Is The Quran A Book Of Guidance Only For The Pious (Muttaqin)?



By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi, New Age Islam

28 January 2019

All Praise Be To Allah, the Lord of All the Worlds!

Allah Almighty says, “This is the Book [Quran] in which there is no doubt, in it there is guidance for the Muttaqin” (Surah Baqarah 2:2)

Though the guidance of holy Quran is meant for everyone, believer or non-believer, as mentioned in another verse of the Quran “guidance for the people”, only the people of Taqwa benefit from the Quran. It is therefore Allah Almighty said “guidance for the Muttaqin”. For example, it is said “rain is for vegetation, i.e. the rain benefits vegetation, while it also rains on the barren land”. Those that are Muttaqin get benefit from the Quran while its guidance is meant for all mankind.

Muttaqin comes from Taqwa, the root word of which is w-q-y. Taqwa has several meanings; guarding nafs against evil, fearing Allah and being conscious of Allah etc. The word Muttaqin is plural of Muttaqee which denotes one who fears or one who abstains. Hence Muttaqin are those that fear Allah and refrain from all erroneous beliefs and impious deeds.

In terminology of Islamic Shar’a, Taqwa means guarding against sins by refraining from forbidden acts. Hazrat Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said, Muttaqi denotes one who refrains from Shirk, major sins [Kabair] and impious deeds [Fawahish]. Some say, Muttaqi is one who does not consider himself superior to others. Some say, Taqwa means abstaining from forbidden acts and performing obligatory acts [Faraid]. According to some Islamic scholars, Taqwa signifies refraining from insistence upon evil deeds and pride over obedience. Some say, one should not do what Allah Almighty has forbidden. According to some scholars, one of the characteristics of Taqwa is to obey the beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions (may Allah be pleased with them). All these meanings have mutual appropriation and there is no contradiction in terms of their objectives.

Taqwa has several characteristics. Taqwa of the commons [Awam] is to believe and abstain from disbelieving. Taqwa of Khawas [exclusives] is to obey what is commanded and refrain from evil. And Taqwa of Khawas al-Khawas [exclusive of the exclusives] is to give up doing everything which keeps them away or make them forget Allah Almighty.

Some learned jurists and experts of the Quran say, Taqwa is of seven types; 1) refraining from Kufr [denial or rejection of Islamic Truth], 2) abstaining from corrupt beliefs and being on the path of Sunnah 3) being away from every major sin [Kabira] 4) keeping away from minor sins [Saghira] 5) refraining from doubts 6) desisting from lust and 7) refraining from turning towards anyone other than Allah Almighty. The holy Quran guides the Muttaqin to all these seven kinds of Taqwa. [Tafsir al-Khazin (Arabic)/ Khazain al-Irfan on Kanzul Iman (Urdu) /Hashiyat Muhiyuddin Sheikh Zada v. 1 (Arabic)]

The following are some verses of the Quran in which the word Taqwa and its derivatives can be seen.

 “So is one who established his foundation upon the fear [Taqwa] of Allah and upon His pleasure better, or the one who laid his foundation upon the brink of a falling precipice, so it fell along with him into the fire of hell? And Allah does not guide the unjust.” [9:109]

 “So it is; and whoever reveres the symbols of Allah – this is then part of the piety [Taqwa] of the hearts.” [22:32]

“O mankind! Worship your Lord, Who has created you and those before you, in the hope of attaining piety [Tattaqun].” [2:21]

“And if you are unable to bring forth (one chapter) – and We declare that you can never bring one – then fear [Fattaqu] the fire (of hell), the fuel of which is men and stones; kept ready for the disbelievers.” [2:24]

“And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me [Fattaqun]” [2:41]

“And [Wattaqu] fear the Day (of Resurrection) when no soul will be exchanged for another, nor will any intercession be accepted for the disbelievers, nor will they be set free in lieu of compensation nor will they be helped.” [2:48]

“And when We made a covenant with you and raised the Mount above you; “Accept and hold fast to what We give you, and remember what is in it, so that you may attain piety [Tattaqun].” [2:63]

“So We made this incident (of that town) a warning to the surrounding towns (others of their time) and to succeeding generations, and a lesson for the pious [Muttaqin].” [2:66]

“And had they believed and been pious [Wattaqu], then the recompense from Allah is extremely good; if only they knew!” [2:103]

“Basic virtue is not just to turn faces to the East and the West, but true righteousness is that one must believe in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the Prophets; and out of love for Allah, to give treasured wealth to relatives and to the orphans and the needy and the traveller, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and to keep the prayer established and to pay the charity; and those who fulfil their obligations when they make an agreement; and the patient during times of calamity, in hardships and during holy war; it is they who have proved true to their word; it is they who are the pious [Muttaqun].” [2:177]

“And there is for you in legal retribution [saving of] life, O you [people] of understanding, that you may become righteous [Tattaqun].” [2:179]

“It is ordained for you that when death approaches one of you, and he leaves behind wealth, he must bequeath it to parents and near relatives in accordance with tradition; this is a duty upon the pious [Muttaqin].” [2:180]

“O People who Believe! Fasting is made compulsory for you, like it was ordained for those before you, so that you may attain piety [Tattaqun].” [2:183]

“Going to your wives during the nights of the fast is made lawful for you; they are coverings for you and you are coverings for them; Allah knows that you were deceiving yourselves (in this respect), so He accepted your penance and forgave you; so cohabit with them and seek what Allah has destined for you – and eat and drink until the white thread becomes distinct to you from the black thread at dawn – then complete the fast till nightfall; and do not touch women while staying in seclusion for worship in the mosques; these are the limits imposed by Allah, so do not go near them; this is how Allah explains His verses to mankind so that they may attain piety [Yattaqun].” [2:187]

“They ask you, (O dear Prophet Mohammed – peace and blessings be upon him), regarding the crescents; say, “They are indicators of time for mankind and for Hajj (the pilgrimage)”; and it is not a virtue at all that you enter the houses by demolishing their back portions, but in reality virtue is piety; and enter the houses using their gates – and keep fearing [Wattaqu] Allah, hoping that you achieve success.” [2:189]

“The sacred month for the sacred month, and respect in lieu of respect; harm the one who harms you, to the extent as he did – and keep fearing Allah, and know well that Allah is with the pious [Muttaqin].” [2:194]

“And perform Hajj (greater pilgrimage) and Umrah (lesser pilgrimage) for Allah; and if you are prevented, send sacrifice whatever is available; and do not shave your heads until the sacrifice reaches its destination; so whoever among you is sick or has an ailment in the head, must pay a compensation by fasting or charity or sacrifice; then when you are in peace – and whoever takes the advantage of combining the Hajj and Umrah, it is compulsory for him to sacrifice whatever is available; and whoever cannot afford it, must fast for three days while on the pilgrimage, and seven when you have returned to your homes; these are ten in all; this decree is for him who is not a resident of Mecca; and keep fearing [Wattaqu] Allah and know well that Allah’s punishment is severe.” [2:196]

“The Hajj is during the well-known months; and for one who intends to perform the Hajj in it – neither is there to be mention of cohabitation in the presence of women, nor any sin, nor a fight with anyone till the completion of Hajj; and whatever good you do, Allah knows it; and take provision along with you for the best provision is piety; and keep fearing Me [Wattaquni], O men of understanding!” [2:197]

“And among them are some that say, “Our Lord! Give us good in the world and good in the Hereafter, and save us [Waqina] from the punishment of fire!” [2:201]

“And remember Allah in the counted days; so whoever hastens by departing in two days, there is no sin on him; and whoever stays on, there is no sin for him – for the pious [li-man-Ittaqa]; and keep fearing [Wattaqu] Allah, and know well that it is to Him you will be raised.” [2:203]

In addition to the afore-mentioned verses, the following verses also mention the word Taqwa and its derivatives.

Surah Baqarah 206, 212, 223, 224, 231, 233, 237, 241, 278, 281, 282, 283

Surah Ale Imran: 15, 16, 28, 50, 76, 102, 115, 120, 123, 125, 130, 131, 133, 138, 172, 179, 186, 191, 198, 200

Surah an-Nisa: 1, 9, 77, 128, 129, 131

Surah Al-Maidah: 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, 27, 35, 46, 57, 65, 88, 93, 96, 100, 108, 112

Surah al-Anaam: 32, 51, 69, 72, 153, 155

Surah al-A’raaf: 26, 35, 63, 65, 96, 128, 156, 164, 169, 171, 201,

Surah Anfaal: 1, 25, 29, 34, 56, 69,

Surah al-Tawbah: 4, 7, 36, 44, 108, 115, 119, 123,

Surah Yunus: 6, 31, 63/  Surah Hud: 49, 78/ Surah Yusuf: 57, 90, 109

Surah al-Ra’ad: 34, 35, 37 / Surah al-Hajar: 45, 69,

Surah Al-Nahl: 2, 30, 31, 52, 81, 128, / Surah Maryam: 13, 18, 63, 72, 85, 97

Surah Taha: 113, 132/ Surah Al-Anbiya: 48 / Surah Al-Haj: 1, 37,

Surah al-Mu’minun: 23, 32, 52, 87/  Surah al-Nur: 34, 52/   Surah al-Furqan: 15, 74,

Surah al-Shu’ara: 11, 90, 106, 108, 110, 124, 126, 131, 132, 142, 144, 150, 161, 163, 177, 179, 184,

Surah al-Naml: 53/  Surah Al-Qisas: 83/  Surah al-‘Ankabut:16/  Surah al-Rum: 31 / Surah Luqman: 33/ Surah al-Ahzab: 1, 32, 37, 55, 70 Surah Yasin: 45 / Surah al-Saffat: 124/  Surah Saad: 28, 49/  Surah al-Zumar: 10, 16, 20, 24, 28, 33, 57, 61, 73/ Surah Ghafir: 7, 9, 21, 45/   Surah Fussilat: 18/  Surah al-Zukhruf: 35, 63, 67/

Surah al-dukhan: 51, 56/ Surah al-Jithiya: 19/ Surah Muhammad: 15, 17, 36/

Surah al-Fath: 26/ Surah al-Hajarat: 1, 3, 10, 12, 13/  Surah Qaaf: 31/

Surah Al-dhariyat: 15/ Surah al-Tur: 17, 18, 27/ Surah al-Najm: 32/

Surah al-Qamar: 54, Surah al-Hadid: 28/ Surah al-Mujadalah: 9/  

Surah al-Hashr: 7, 9, 18/ Surah al-Mumtahinah: 11/ Surah al-Taghabun: 16/ 

Surah al-Talaq: 1, 2, 4, 5, 10/ Surah al-Tahreem: 6/ Surah al-Qalam: 34/

Surah al-Haqqah: 48/ Surah Nuh: 3/ Surah al-Muzzamil: 17/ Surah al-Muddaththir: 56/   Surah al-Insan: 11,

Surah al-Mursalat: 41/ Surah al-Naba’: 31/ Surah al-Shams: 8/  Surah al-Layl: 5, 17/ Surah al-‘Alaq: 12

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TOTAL COMMENTS:-   35


  • GM sb chooses to call Allah names such as "vindictive, spiteful, petty-minded" etc.! What is that based on? His dumb literalist's understanding of some verses and refusal to understand it correctly.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/8/2019 10:07:19 PM



  • Naseer sb. tells me  I cannot say that Allah would not blind people, that He is not spiteful or vindictive and that He would not advocate wife beating or 100 lashes, unless I have a source book to support my statements! Well, if he insists that I name such a book, I shall mention a book which says: “Bismillah-hir-Rahman-nir- Raheem” 114 times.

    What do the words "most gracious", and "most merciful", repeated 114 times, mean to you? You seem to be more interested in seeing a seal on my heart which does not exist than in seeing what the Quran says 114 times!


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/8/2019 11:48:43 AM



  • If you do not have any source book to say what you say, then you have no basis to say it.

    It is clear to me that either Allah has already set a seal on your heart or you are very close to it going by your interactions with me and your calling into question a major part of the Quran, casting doubts, raising objections, character assassinating the Prophet etc. and failure to understand anything inspite of my best efforts and exchange of hundreds of comments

    Do you still have questions after my detailed response? You must be truly blinded and rendered deaf and dumb. In such a situation, I cannot help you and you are wasting my time as well as yours. 

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/8/2019 2:33:52 AM



  • Naseer sb.,
    What sourcebook do I need to say that Allah would not blind people, that He is not spiteful or vindictive, that He would not advocate wife beating or 100 lashes?
    You quoted my comment,"My simple contention is that Allah, the merciful and the beneficient, would never set a seal on anyone's heart," but you did not clarify what your position is. Do you agree with my comment that you had quoted?
    By the way have you been designated to judge whose hearts have been sealed and whose hearts are not sealed?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/7/2019 10:25:37 AM



  • GM sb says “2:7 is clear and unambiguous: "Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil." My simple contention is that Allah, the merciful and the beneficient, would never set a seal on anyone's heart.

     You dare to contend what is clear and unambiguous to you! On what source Book do you rely to contend? What mental or physical handicap do you suffer from that you cannot find an answer to your questions yourself? And yet, when I provide you the answer, you remain ungrateful, haughty, disrespectful and arrogant. What disease do you suffer from?

     Did I say the verse means something totally different? You have the same problem with understanding the meaning of literalism as you had with supremacism. In my explanation of verse 2:7, I do not deviate from the literal meaning.  A stupid person can refuse to comprehend its meaning and take it literally. It makes no difference. In effect, what difference does it make whether you take it as I say, to mean that a person reaches a point of no return as per laws of human behaviour and "will not believe", or take it literally as Allah has sealed his heart? The difference lies only in placing responsibility for what has happened. In the correct understanding, you take responsibility for what happens to you and in the second you blame Allah. You want to blame Allah for it so go ahead. It makes no difference to Allah whether you refuse to take responsibility or blame Allah. A Muttaqi will heed and become the person covered by 2:3,4 and a person who is heedless and rejects what he reads will become the person described by 2:7.

     Do people reach a point of no return in their lifetime well before their death? They do. The Quran has several examples. When Allah took a decision to destroy a people after sending his Messenger, it was only after all those who pay heed believed, and those who were heedless and rebellious, reached a point of no return. The examples are the people of Noah, Lut, Hud, Salih and Shuaib. If you want specific names of people whose “hearts were sealed” in their lifetime well before their death, they are Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, The Pharaoh to whom Moses was sent, Qarun, Haman, the father of Ibrahim (pbuh), the wife of Lut, one of the sons of Noah etc.

     Read the following early Meccan Surah which was revealed ten years before Abu Lahab’s death. He had ten years to prove the Surah, Allah and the Prophet false by only pretending to have accepted Islam. This did not and cannot happen once Allah has branded a person as one “who will not believe”. He was among those who stalked the Prophet (pbuh) and said the opposite of whatever he said which means that he continuously disputed the revelations which is exactly what you are doing. Your inability to understand anything but to argue ad infinitum and ad nauseum is a sign that you have reached such a stage or will reach it soon if you do not repent.

     (111:1) Perish the hands of the Abu Lahab! Perish he!

    (2) No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!

    (3) Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!

    (4) His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - As fuel!-

    (5) A twisted rope of palm-leaf fibre round her (own) neck!

     For more examples, read

    The Story of the Prophetic mission of Muhammad (pbuh) from the Qu’ran (part 1): The early opposition

     The Story of the Prophetic Mission of Muhammad (Pbuh) In the Qu’ran (Part 3): Important Pointers from the Stories of the Prophets


    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/6/2019 11:19:11 PM



  • Naseer sb.,
    If you say that a verse means something totally different from what it clearly means, does that justify you in calling others "dumb literalists"? Where does your usual literalism disappear when it comes to understanding a plain verse such as 2:7? If you come up with empty assertions in answer to a question, should I accept that as a full explanation and drop the subject?
    I do not think Allah and the Prophet are for wife-beating or for 100 lashes, hence we should not consider those verses to be divine. I had not mentioned "breasts or other body parts" in order to get you pruriently obsessed with them, but in order to set the outside parameters of what 4:34 could have meant.

    By the way the words of 8:23 do not seem to have either the grandeur or the magnanimity of the Master of the Universe.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/6/2019 12:04:17 PM



  • The following verses also explain those who pay heed and those who do not. In 8:23 Allah says that if He finds any good in the people, then he makes them pay heed. However, if He made those in whom is no good pay heed, even then they will turn back and reject.

    (8:20) O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).

    (21) Nor be like those who say, "We hear," but listen not:

    (22) For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not.

    (23) If Allah had found in them any good. He would indeed have made them listen: (As it is), if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined (Faith).

    (24) O ye who believe! give your response to Allah and His Messenger, when He calleth you to that which will give you life; and know that Allah cometh in between a man and his heart, and that it is He to Whom ye shall (all) be gathered.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/6/2019 1:40:09 AM



  • Coming back to the subject of the article, "Muttaqin" in 2:2 simply means a person who pays heed and can be either a "Muslim" or non-Muslim.

    "Kafaru" in 2:6 then means the opposite of "Muttaqi" or those who do not pay heed or reject what they read because of which it makes no difference whether they are warned or not warned. They will not believe.

    We misunderstand much of  the Quran by our water-tight  categorization of people such as:

    Muttaqi to mean a Muslim who has achieved a high level of piety simply because this word appears in several verses demanding our compliance. Each act of compliance is an act of Taqwa and we can be Muttaqi to any extent.

    A person who is reading the Quran for the first time, is a Muttaqi if he pays close attention to what he is reading and is heedful.

    A Muslim who has read and understood the whole of the Quran, and practices all that he is commanded to practice and avoids all that is prohibited is a Muttaqi of the highest order.

    Likewise, we misunderstand much of the Quran if we understand kafir to mean non-Muslim when this term is used for the believers also in several of the verses.

    The terms Islam, Muslim, Muttaqi, Salih,  Kafir,  Zalim etc. have broader meaning and if we understand these in narrow terms, then we misunderstand much of the Quran.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/6/2019 12:34:49 AM



  • You  remain a dumb literalist even after I have fully explained the verse 2:7. You have always been a dumb literalist.
    Are you saying that Allah and the Prophet are also for wife beating and for punishment with 100 stripes? No, they are against immodesty and adultery. 
    Your arguments are clearly for tolerating women " going in public places dressed seductively, e.g. with her breasts or other body parts being insufficiently hidden”, and for decriminalizing adultery, while there is no tolerance for either in Islam. 

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/5/2019 11:22:23 PM



  • Naseer sb.,

    2:7 is clear and unambiguous: "Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil." Your attempts at obfuscation are of no avail. My simple contention is that Allah, the merciful and the beneficient, would never set a seal on anyone's heart.

    You have traversed through a hundred posts to proclaim your praise and support of 4:34, including wife-beating, so your now saying, "if you are against wife beating as I am," is hypocritical and late. If you can't say, "wife beating is totally wrong," without any ands, ifs or buts, you cannot claim to be against wife-beating.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/5/2019 12:55:54 PM



  • The laws of causality - what you do yourself results in:
    If you heed Allah, then guidance and progress on the straight path. Verses 2;2 to 2:5 apply.
    Those who are not just heedless but reject Allah, then they progressively reach a point of no return and become incapable of heeding. Verses 2:6,7 apply.
    Aren't you being a literalist while talking about grammar, syntax etc? Allah is never whimsical and whatever He does is His unchanging Sunnat or Law. Read and understand the Quran. Once you understand that what Allah does follows His rule/law and understand that what He says is making known His law, the difficulty disappears.  In the 7th century, people did not talk about laws of behaviour, laws of physics or the cognitive processes. Whatever Allah does is according to His unchanging law and therefore understand it as the laws of human behaviour or whatever depending on the context. There is a world of difference between not deviating from the literal meaning which I never do, and being a stupid literalist which you are, and I am not
    You are a flip flop artist and a liar.  Not only do you want to decriminalize adultery in Islam, but you also say that Allah has no role in laying down criminal laws and religion should have nothing to do with it. You see adultery only as a social/civil issue and not as a criminal one.
    Neither me, the Prophet or Allah are for wife beating, or for any of the hudud punishments or for people being flung into Hell fire in the Hereafter.  All of us are trying to save people from such consequences.
    Verse 4:34 is a preventative and curative for evil conduct. If you do not like the medicine, avoid falling sick. Why should the women dress immodestly to seduce men, exposing their breasts and other parts of the body? Why are you arguing for such women?
    So, if you are against wife beating as I am, then make sure that:
    1.     1. You raise your children to conform with Islamic norms of modesty
    2.     2. Ask your daughters to choose the divorce option if they wish to dress seductively exposing their breasts and other body parts but their husbands are against it.
    3.     3. Marry only among people of your kind and way of thinking.
     If you are against following the above, then do not say that you are against wife beating. Say, you are against Islamic norms of modesty.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/5/2019 2:49:59 AM



  • so now we have a new one "no true muslim woman".

    i feel sorry fro the no true scotsman.

    By hats off! - 2/4/2019 5:33:25 PM



  • Naseer sb.,

    You said, "The process by which Allah opens a person’s heart to Islam, or closes his mind, ears and eyes to it, is the same. What happens is what the person does to himself by the choices he makes."

    Are "what Alah does to a person," and "what a person does himself," one and the same? By what laws of grammar or semantics do you derive such conclusions? Not being a literalist does not mean one changes the meaning to suit oneself.

    You are also being dishonest in quoting my previous statements. I never said Islam should "decriminalize" adultery. As you quoted me youeself: "Extramarital sexual intercourse violates the rights of the spouse and is a breach of contract and hence liable to civil action including divorce. Such behavior is also sinful but that is a matter between the sinner and God.” The first part in that quote is about societal laws. The second part is about religious laws. Why is this so difficult for you?

    Now you say, "I endorse 4:34 fully and not wife-beating." But the whole argument between you and me has been about your support of wife-beating and gender inequality. If you want now to change your position, please say so clearly.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/4/2019 11:44:57 AM



  • In this thread, we were talking about 2:7. When I quoted the verse verbatim, you responded with “Would God close a person's mind, ears and eyes and then punish him for his "disbelief"? God can never be so unjust. One should quote only those verses which have a spark of divinity in them. Show the grandeur of Islam! Do not try to show God as being small-minded or vindictive.”

     Your conclusion that God is small-minded or vindictive if He has said what He says in 2:7, is based not simply on a literalist understanding, but the lowest level of literalist understanding.

    The process by which Allah opens a person’s heart to Islam, or closes his mind, ears and eyes to it, is the same. What happens is what the person does to himself by the choices he makes. Does he pay heed to Allah or is he heedless of what Allah says determines the path on which he progresses. There is no injustice, small-mindedness or vindictiveness. It all proceeds according to the Law decreed by Allah.

     This same phenomenon can be understood in psychology as our cognitive processes. You know outside of religion how a person may get hooked onto anything good or bad by what he chooses to pursue and takes interest in.

     I explain the verse without deviating from its literal meaning but without being a stupid literalist like you.

    You say my explanation is self-serving. What is self-serving about it? What is your non-self-serving-non-literalist  understanding of the verse apart from calling Allah names for it?

    You are a troll and a stalker. You have now also become a virus spreading the discussion on the same verse to every thread! 

    It is you who is lying. Below is your argument for decriminalizing adultery in Islam :

     “By calling pre-Islamic Arab criminal laws "Hudud Laws" we have accorded them divine sanction, which is wrong. Criminal laws can be formulated only by humans although they must conform to the Quranic requirement of being just, fair, egalitarian, humane and sensible. Such laws evolve as societies evolve. Extramarital sexual intercourse violates the rights of the spouse and is a breach of contract and hence liable to civil action including divorce. Such behavior is also sinful but that is a matter between the sinner and God.”

     I endorse 4:34 fully and not wife-beating. No Muslim woman with a modicum of shame and attachment to Islam will indulge in behaviour that requires correcting her which is why I had said that this verse was for a society in transition from the Pagan Arab norms to Islamic norms. The transformation has taken place and all Muslim women observe the norms of their own accord and most willingly. To me, it was unimaginable that Muslims would have this kind of a problem. However, after the discussion with you, I have realized that a section of Muslims belonging to your society have regressed to the Pagan Arab/western norms and verse 4:34 has become relevant once again to correct such a trend for those who want to correct. For those who are happy with it like yourself, there is no compulsion in religion. You are not satisfied with this, however. You want adultery to be decriminalized in Islam and all Muslim women given freedom to dress seductively and the men to do nothing about it. You want to strike down 24:2, 24:31 and 4:34 by alleging that these are not from Allah and put in there by man. You want Muslim society to revert to Pagan Arab norms. The call to you from your pagan ancestry appears to be very strong. You can revert if you wish, but why do you want to drag all with you?

     You call hard evidence of the women turning into sluts and their men into pimps as “bugaboo”. This is how you lull your cognitive dissonance and continue to spiral downward. You make yourself “dumb, deaf and blind” to all evidence. You will eventually slip enough to start extolling the “virtues” of the women exploiting their “erotic potential” for social and economic benefit.

     As far as the discussion on 4:34 is concerned, you have reached the stage of becoming brain-dead and are keeping yourself on the ventilator. You have the tenacity of the insane to hang-on even though you are left with no legs to stand on.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/4/2019 12:05:17 AM



  • Naseer sb.,

    I brought up 4:34 because you showed insufficient understanding of the word "literalist". By the way you seem to be harboring the delusion that you won the debate on 4:34, or you are simply lying.

    You lie again when you say, "GM sb wants adultery to be decriminalized in Islam." I have never said that. I have said that it is decriminalized by the Indian Supreme Court but I added more than once that it is still a sin in Islam. Governments deal with crimes and religions deal with sins.  I am surprised you did not know that.

    You again use your deceptive tricks by bringing up adultery in a discussion of 4:34 which has nothing to do with adultery. It is all about a disagreement between husband and wife about wife's preferences in dress. I have said husbands and wives can discuss such matters or seek counselling but the husband has no right to beat his wife. Naseer sb. however is a staunch advocate of the husband's divine right to beat his wife. He raises the bugaboo of  sluts and pimps to justify his support of wife-beating!


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/3/2019 1:07:53 PM



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