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Islamic Ideology (25 Jan 2009 NewAgeIslam.Com)

Netizens debate Shia-Sunni/Deobandi-Bareilwi controversies

By Mansoor,


Your understanding is wrong. tau agar shia Imam Jaffar ko follow karte hain tau yeh un ki ghalti hai kyunke Allah ne Quran main Irshad farmaya hai ke "Muhammad (PBUH) ki zindagi tumhare liye example hai", it means our ideal should be Muhammad (PBUH).Issi tarah jo apne aap ko Shafi, Barelvi etc.. kehte hain woh bhi Allah ke naa farman hain...http://www.kr-hcy.com/




On Fri, 1/23/09, Muhammad Furqan <furqanhassan14@yahoo.com> wrote:


Mr. Mansoor.


It seems that you know nothing and i suggest Mr. Syed not to argue with the person like you. Well if you read the Holy Books you will find the creiteria of Kafir, Munafiq, murdid etc.


(5) If you don't believe in Mullas Fatwa then you should not believe in "Nikkah nama" (marriage agreement) of your parents as it is issued and approved by Mullas hence not a Hujjat (proof) tell me where it is written that you are the legal son of your parents.



Dear Mr Syed and Mr Furqan,


The Principle of ""Muhammad (PBUH) ki zindagi tumhare liye example hai", it means our ideal should be Muhammad (PBUH)." is not only meant for Shias, Shafa'i and Barelwis but Deobandis as well. Apply the same principle for Rampantly Deviant and Anarchist Mullahs of Deoband.


Mr Furqan should love these Mullahs. A detailed Research on the Deviant Beliefs [Gumrah Kun Aqaid] of Deobandis: Now read the teaching of Fitnah-e-Deobandiya and prove it "CORRECT AS PER YOUR PRISTINE PRINICPLE YOU APPLIED FOR SHIAS ABOVE" through Quran and Hadith.


A detailed Research on the Deviant Beliefs [Gumrah Kun Aqaid] of Deobandis: Now read the teaching of Fitnah-e-Deobandiya and prove it "CORRECT AS PER YOUR PRISTINE PRINICPLE YOU APPLIED FOR SHIAS ABOVE" through Quran and Hadith.






The Deobandis are one of the groups of Muslims. This group is connected to and named after the University of Deoband _ Dar al-Uloom _ in India. It is an intellectual school of thought that is deeply rooted, and everyone who graduated from that university was influenced by its academic characteristics, so that they became known as Deobandis.  The University of Deoband was founded by a group of Indian `ulamaa' (scholars) after the British had put a stop to the Islamic revolution in India in 1857 CE. Its establishment was a strong reaction against western advancement and its materialistic civilization in the Indian Subcontinent, aimed at saving the Muslims from the dangers of these circumstances, especially when Delhi, the capital, had been destroyed following the revolution and the British had taken full control of it. The scholars feared that their religion might be assimilated, so Shaykh Imdaadullaah al-Muhaajir al-Makki and his student Shaykh Muhammad

 Qaasim al-Nanatuwi, and their companions, drew up a plan to protect Islam and its teachings. They thought that the solution was to establish religious schools and Islamic centers, thus al-Madrasah al-Islamiyyah al-Arabiyyah was established in Deoband as a center for Islam and Sharee'ah in India at the time of British rule.


The most prominent figures of this intellectual school:


1- Muhammad Qaasim Nanootvi


2- Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi


3- Husayn Ahmad Madani


4- Muhammad Anwaar Shah Kashmiri


5- Abu'l-Hasan al-Nadvi


6- Al-Muhaddith Habeeb al-Rahmaan al-A'zami


Thoughts and beliefs


With regard to basic tenets of belief (`aqeedah), they follow the madhhab of Abu Mansoor al-Maatreedi.


They follow the madhhab of Imaam Abu Haneefah with regard to fiqh and minor issues.


They follow the Sufi tareeqahs of the Naqshbandiyyah, Chishtiyyah, Qaadiriyyah and Saharwardiyyah with regard to spiritual development.


The thoughts and principles of the Deobandi School may be summed up as follows:


- Preserving the teachings of Islam and its strength and rituals.


- Spreading Islam and resisting destructive schools of thought and missionary activity.


- Spreading Islamic culture and resisting the invading British culture.


Paying attention to spreading the Arabic language because it is the means of benefiting from the sources of Islamic sharee'ah.


- Combining reason and emotion, and knowledge and spirituality.


Because the Deobandis follow the Maatreedi madhhab with regard to belief (`aqeedah), we have to define what al-Maatreediyyah is:


This is a philosophical (kalaami) group which is named after Abu Mansoor al-Maatreedi. It is based on using rational and philosophical proof and evidence in disputes with opponents from among the Mu'tazilah, Jahamiyyah and others to establish the truths of religion and Islamic `aqeedah (belief). With regard to sources, the Maatreediyyah divide the bases of religion into two categories depending on the source:


1 _ Divine or rational: these are matters which are established independently by reason and the reports follow that. This includes issues of Tawheed and the Divine attributes.


2 _ Legislative matters or transmitted reports, These are matters which reason states may or may not exist, but there is no way to prove rationally that they exist, such as Prophethood, the torment of the grave and issues of the Hereafter. It should be noted that some of them regarded Prophethood as coming under the heading of rational issues.


It is obvious that this is contradictory to the methodology of Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, because the Qur'aan, Sunnah and consensus of the Sahaabah are the sources of guidance in their view. This is in addition to their bid'ah (innovation) of dividing the sources of religion into rational matters vs. transmitted reports, which was based on the false notion of the philosophers who assumed that the religious texts contradict reason, so they tried to mediate between reason and the transmitted reports. This led them to force reason into fields where it has no place, so they came up with false rulings which contradicted sharee'ah, and that led them to say that they did not know what the texts mean and that only Allaah knows their meaning, or to misinterpret them altogether. In the view of Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, on the other hand, there is no contradiction between sound reason and the sound transmitted reports.


Attitude of Ahl al-Sunnah towards the Maatreediyyah


It was narrated from the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that this ummah would split into seventy-three sects, all of which would be in the Fire apart from one. The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained that the saved group is the Jamaa'ah, which is the group that follows the same path as the Messenger SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions.  Undoubtedly Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah, who adhere to the Qur'aan and Sunnah in terms of both knowledge and actions, are the saved group, and this description applies to them, i.e., they adhere to that which the Messenger SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions adhered to in terms of knowledge and actions.  It is not sufficient for an individual or group merely to claim to belong to the Sunnah whilst going against the methodology of the salaf, namely the Sahaabah and Taabi'een. Rather it is essential to  adhere to their methodology in knowledge, action, approach and spiritual development. The Maatreediyyah are one of the groups whose opinions include true and false views, and some things that go against the Sunnah. It is known that these groups vary with regard to the truth, how near or far they are; the closer they are to the Sunnah, the closer they are to the truth and the right way. Among them are some who went against the Sunnah with regard to basic principles, and some who went against the Sunnah with regard to more subtle issues. There are some who refuted other groups who are farther away from the Sunnah, so they are to be praised with regard to their refutation of falsehood and what they have said of truth, but they have overstepped the mark in so far as they have rejected part of the truth and gone along with some falsehood. So they have refuted a serious bid'ah by means of a lesser bid'ah, and refuted falsehood with a lesser form of falsehood.

 This is the case with most of the philosophers (ahl al-kalaam) who claim to belong to Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah…"


There remains one important question to be answered, which is: what is our duty towards the Maatreediyyah and groups who hold similar beliefs such as the Deobandis and others?


The answer varies according to differences in the persons involved.


If someone is stubborn and propagates his bid'ah, then we must warn others about him and explain where he has gone wrong and deviated. But if he does not propagate his bid'ah and it is clear from his words and actions that he is seeking the truth and striving for that purpose, then we should advise him and explain to him what is wrong with this belief, and guide him in a manner that is better; perhaps Allaah will bring him back to the truth. This advice is included in the words of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him):


"Religion is sincerity (or sincere advice)." We [the Sahabah] asked, "To whom?" He said, "To Allaah and His Book, and His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk." (Narrated by Muslim, 55).


It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words "Tasawwuf" and "Sufism" are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee'ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and `asyaan (disobedience, sin).


In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: "The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur'aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee'ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways

 of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur'aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid'ah that is forbidden. This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya' Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur'aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee'ah. Many such things happen among those people. The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur'aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur'aan and Sunnah and  disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…


But what Shaykh al-Islam said about the view of Sufis depending on their situation is almost too theoretical for our times, when the objectionable matters that he referred to have become part of the path of those who call themselves Sufis nowadays, in addition to the different occasions they celebrate such as the Mawlid, and their exaggeration about their living shaykhs, and their attachment to shrines and graves, where they pray and circumambulate the graves and make vows to them, and other well-known practices of theirs. Because of these matters, the correct approach now is to warn against them with no reservations. This is what was agreed upon by the Standing Committee in their answer to a question about the ruling on the Sufi tareeqahs that exist nowadays.


They said:


Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid'ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid'ah, such as when some of them say "Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)", and call upon the qutubs ("holy men"), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying "Huw, Huw (He, He)" and "Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word `Allaah')". Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils.


With regard to the Jamaa'at al-Tableegh, this is one of the groups that is active in the field of da'wah, calling people to Allaah. They do a great deal of good and make commendable efforts. How many sinners have repented at their hands, and how many have now become devoted to worship of Allaah. But this group is not free of some innovations in knowledge and action, to which the scholars have drawn attention. But whatever the case they cannot be described as being one of the misguided groups. We have quoted above the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah: The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur'aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur'aan and Sunnah {5}.


The Jamaa'at Tableegh and the Deobandis {6}.


Sufism Today


Sufism or Tasawwuf is divided into many sects, called Tareeqahs.[1] The four major Tareeqahs are, Chistiya, Qadriyah, Naqshbandiya and Soharwardiyah. Sufism in India is represented by ‘the Deobandis’ and ‘the Barelawis’, who follow all these four Tareeqahs. Until the seventeenth century, there was no distinct school of thought amongst India’s Sufi Hanafee Scholars. But mutual disagreements later caused a great rift among them and led to the formation of two different and opposing institutions; the ‘Barelawis’ and the ‘Deobandis.’ Hostilities and bitter disagreements between these two groups have taken dangerous proportions and the Barelawis in particular have exaggerated in the Takfeer (declaring Kufr) of the Deobandis. Both these groups claim to follow the Hanafee Madhhab, though they only follow the Hanafee Fiqh and do not share the beliefs of Imam Abu Haneefah. Since this book focuses primarily on the beliefs and methodology of the  School of Deoband and the Jamaat Tableegh, we shall limit ourselves only to those aspects of Sufism that are related to the Deobandis, and study Sufism from their (Deobandi) perspective.


[1] Tareeqah and Sharee’ah: According to the Soofis, Tareeqah is the way by which one reaches to Allah, and Sharee’ah is the path which reaches the Jannah. Tareeqah is special and Sharee’ah is common. Tareeqah is based upon a particular set of beliefs, actions and exercises. [A Dictionary of the Technical Terms used in the Sciences of the Musalmans by Moulvi Muhammad Alee Ibn Alee Al-Thanvi, p.919]


The Barelawis


The founder and Imam of the Barelawis was Ahmad Raza Khan, who was an extremist Sufi known for his Takfeer (declaring Kufr) and extremely heretical beliefs. Allama Ehsan Illahi Zaheer (rahimahullah) has written a detailed book on the Barelawis, which highlights…


The influences of Shi’ism on the founder of the Barelawi school of thought.


The easiness with which they declare Kufr on their opponents.


Their giving superstitions, baseless talk, unfounded stories and fables, the garb of religion.


Their distortion (Tahreef) and misinterpretation of the Book and the Sunnah to support their beliefs.


Anyone who wishes to further study this subject should refer to this book called, ‘Barelawis – History and Beliefs’ [1]


[1] Another excellent book that explicitly exposes the corrupted beliefs and actions of the Barelwis is, ‘The Book of Unity or Oneness of Allah’ compiled by Muhammad Iqbaal Kailani.


The Deobandis and the Jamaat Tableegh


The inception of the Deobandi School of thought stems from the differences and disagreements with the Barelawis, and the subsequent formation of the Darul-Uloom Deoband in 1868 by Moulana Qasim Nanotwi. The term, Deobandi, is used to describe all those who were in agreement with the school of Deoband and its ideology. From amongst the Deobandi scholars is Moulana Muhammad Ilyas, the founder of the Tableeghi Jamaat. Moulana Ilyas was much influenced by another prominent Deobandi scholar – Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi about whom he used to say, “Hazrat Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi has done a great service (to the religion). It is my heart’s desire that the teachings should be his and the Manhaj (methodology) of Dawah (propagation) be mine, so that this way his teachings become well-known.”[1] (click to view the scanned image of the quote) <../../quotes/malfozaatmoulanailyas-cover-50/malfozaatmoulanailyas-cover-50.htm So, the Jamaat Tableegh shares the

 same ideology as the School of Deoband and may be considered as the Deobandis’s Dawah organ. Whilst the Deobandis have been constantly bogged down because of the opposition by the Barelawis, the Jamaat Tableegh has been instrumental in the spread of Deobandism by hiding its true orientations and evading controversy.


[1] Malfoozat Moulana Ilyaas (Sayings of Moulana Ilyaas), collected by Muhammad Manzoor Noomani, p.50, incident no. 56.


Important Personalities amongst the Deobandis and the Jamaat Tableegh


1. Moulana Qasim Nanotwi (d. 1879): “The Darul-Uloom Deoband (the School of Deoband founded in 1868) was founded by Moulana Qasim Nanotwi.”[1] He was ba’yt (taken the oath of allegiance) at the hands of Imdadullah Muhajir Makki.[2]


2. Imdadullah Muhajir Makki (d. 1899): The highly revered Pir (spiritual guide) of the Deobandis. He is the spiritual guide of Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Moulana Qasim Nanotwi and Moulana Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi.


3. Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (d. 1943): He was ba’yt at the hands of Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki and the author of many books like, “Bahishti Zewar” and ‘Tafseer Bayanul Qur’aan’. He named many of his books after his Pir, Imdadullah Muhajir Makki. Like Imdadullah Muhajir Makki, Ashraf Ali Thanvi too was an advocate of Wahdat al-Wajood. Ashraf Ali Thanvi’s teachings greatly influenced the founder of the Jamaat Tableegh, Moulana Ilyas.


4. Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi (d. 1908): Another prominent elder of the Deobandis, who was ba’yt at the hands of Imdadullah Muhajir Makki.[3] One of his famous books is ‘Imdadus Sulook.’


5. Other Prominent Deobandi Scholars include: Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri, Aashiq Ilahi Meerathi, Moulana Mahmoodul-Hasan Deobandi, Moulana Shabbir Ahmad Uthmani and Moulana Abdul-Rahim Lajpuri.


6. Moulana Ilyas, popularly known as Hazratjee: (d. 1944): He was the founder and first Amir of the Jamaat Tableegh. He was the Khalifah (successor) of Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri, who was amongst the Khulafa of Rasheed Ahmad Gungohi.[4] He founded the Jamaat Tableegh on Sufi principles and incorporated many Sufi practices like Muraqabah (meditation), Chillah (40 day seclusion period) and the silent Dhikr (remembrance) into the routines of his Jamaat.


7. Moulana Muhammad Yusuf (d. 1965): Moulana Ilyas was succeeded by his son, Moulana Muhammad Yusuf (d. 1965), who became the second Amir of the Jamaat Tableegh. Inamul-Hasan succeeded Moulana Muhammad Yusuf. Presently, there is no Amir of the Jamaat Tableegh and its affairs are run by a Shoorah (committee).

8. Moulana Zakariyah:


The son-in-law of Moulana Ilyas[5] and the author of Fazaail-e-Aamaal. He was well acquainted with Sufism and was given the Khilafah of all the four Sufi Tareeqahs by Moulana Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri.[6]


[1] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.222. [2] Irshaadul-Mulook (Eng. Trans.) p.32. [3] Irshaadul-Mulook, (Eng. Trans.) p.32. [4] Irshaadul-Mulook, (Eng. Trans.) p.12. [5] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.307. [6] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.304-305.


The Training Manual of the Jamaat Tableegh


Originally known as Tableeghi Nisaab, ‘Fazaail-e-Aamaal’ literally means the virtues (Fazaail) of actions of worship (Aamaal). It consists of a series of booklets written by Moulana Zakariyah Kandhalvi on the instructions of Moulana Ilyas (the founder of Jamaat Tableegh) as mentioned by Moulana Zakariyah himself in his autobiography ‘Aap Beeti.’ Fazaail-e-Aamaal consists of nine booklets, namely - Hikayaat Sahabah, Fazaail-e-Dhikr, Fazaail-e-Namaaz, Fazaail-e-Tableegh, Fazaail-e-Qur’aan, Fazaail-e-Darood, Fazaail-e-Ramadaan, Fazaail-e-Sadaqat and Fazaail-e-Hajj. These series were compiled in two volumes and entitled, ‘Tableeghi Nisaab.’ They were intended to be the fundamental training guide for the cadre of the Jamaat Tableegh. Later on, it was re-named, ‘Fazaail-e-Aamaal.’ This book originally in Urdu, has been translated to many different languages. But it has never been translated into the Arabic language as a whole.[1]


[1] The Arabic version is just a small booklet of about 72 pages compared to the original Urdu books, which consists of two volumes (400+ pages each). The Arabs who affiliate themselves to the Jamaat Tableegh never refer to the Tableeghi Nisaab, but to Imaam Nawawi’s collection of Hadeeth, ar-Riyaadh as-Saliheen. .


The Deobandis are followers of Sufism


Elders of the Deobandi school of thought, from among who is Moulana Zakariyah; the author of Fazaail-e-Aamaal, have testified to the fact that their Manhaj (way) is that of the Sufis and take pride in it. Mufti Abdur-Rahim Lajpuri quoted in his book of Fatawa, the words of Qaree Mohammed Tayyib (the rector of the Darul-Uloom, Deoband) as, “Religiously, the Ulema of Deoband are Muslims, as a sect they belong to the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaah, by Madhhab they are Hanafee, in conduct they are Sufis, scholastically they are Maturidi and in Sulook they are Chisti[1]- rather they combine all Sufi orders... And in nisbat they are Deobandi.”[2] “In essentials and beliefs, they (the Deobandis) follow Imam Abul Hasan Ash’aree and Imam Abu Mansoor Maturidi; and in sub-principles Imam Abu Haneefah. They are initiates of the Chistiyyah, Naqshbandiya, Qadriyah and Soharwardiyah Sufi orders.”[3] Moulana Mohammad Zakariyah, whose book ‘Fazaail-e-Aamaal’ is  revered and used as a training guide by the workers of the ‘Jamaat Tableegh’ highly praises this Fatawa collection (Fatawa Rahimiyyah) of Mufti Lajpuri and approves of the views mentioned In it.[4] [1] A Soofi order i.e. Tareeqah [2] Quoted in Fatawa Rahimiyyah, (Eng. Trans.), vol.1, p.9-10 from Ulama-e-Deoband ka Maslak. [3] Fatawa Rahimiyyah (Eng. Trans.), vol.1, p.58. [4] Moulana Zakariyah says, “The humble writer prays most sincerely for (success of) the Fatawa Rahimiyyah. May Allah make it the lot of the people to avail themselves more and more of and derive benefit from it and make it a Sadaqah-e-Jariah (continuous charity) for you (the author), for the printer and publisher and for everyone who may have in any way endeavored for the publication of this work and bestow upon you (all) its best rewards in both the worlds.” [Quoted from the first page of ‘Fatawa Rahimiyyah’ vol.1, published by the Islamic Book Printers, edition: Feb. 1997]


The Definition and Reality of Sufism


The Deobandis claim that Sufism is just another name for Tazkeyyatun-Nafs (purification of the soul) and Ihsan (the highest stage of Eemaan). Moulana Muhammad Maseehullah Khan, a Khalifah (successor) of Moulana Ashraf Alee Thanvi states, “It’s (Sufism) function is to purify the heart from the lowly bestial attributes of lust, calamities of the tongue, anger, malice, jealousy, love of this world, love for fame, niggardliness, greed, vanity, deception, etc.”[1] And, as such, they claim that Sufism does not contradict the Sharee’ah (Islamic Regulation), rather “It is incumbent for every Muslim to become a Sufi. Without Sufism, a Muslim cannot be described as a perfect Muslim”[2] It is also claimed that a Sufi is someone who strictly adheres to the Sunnah and the Sharee’ah. But in reality, Sufism is far from the above description. Purification of the soul and curing the heart from its sicknesses is part of the religion of Islam and is  completely explained by Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam). “Purification of the Soul” as Moulana Muhammad Maseehullah Khan further explains is just the first part of the journey of Sufism, and it is referred as journey towards Allah.[3] The next part of this journey is called – ‘The journey into Allah’, and “In this high stage of spiritual development, matters pertaining to the Thaat (Being of Allah), Sifaat (Attributes of Allah), Af’aal (Acts of Allah), Haqaaiq (realities) as well as relationships between Allah and His servants become manifest.”[4] And thus, everything is manifest to the Sufi and nothing is hidden from him. He accomplishes this by either exaggerating in prescribed forms of worship or indulging in innovative forms of worship. This is the real face of Sufism!


[1] Shariat and Tasawwuf p.11. [2] Shariat and Tasawwuf p.11. Some also go to the extent of saying that the Messenger of Allah and his Sahabah were nothing but Soofis. Especially the group of students who resided in the Prophet’s Mosque – the Ashabus-Suffah. [3] Shariat and Tasawwuf p.112. [4] Shariat and Tasawwuf p.113.


Sufism is marred by un-Islamic beliefs and is an Ideology in itself


Sufism is not just an emphasis on the purification of the soul but a complete ideology in itself and it is marred by un-Islamic concepts and philosophies like:- 1. The belief of Wahdat al-Wajood, which implies that the Creator (Allah) and the creation are one, and the creation is just the manifestation of the Creator. 2. The belief that the Prophets and the Sufi saints are alive in their graves, just as they were alive in this world. They are fully aware of the outside world; they can communicate with the living and help those who call upon them. 3. The spirits (Ruh) of the righteous comes back from the Barzakh. 4. Gross exaggeration in praising the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) whilst neglecting his (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) teachings in understanding the religion. 5. Total and complete obedience to a Sufi Shaikh. 6. Penance and living the lives of hermits are ways to get closer to Allah. 7. Some Majzoobs, who have reached the  goal of Sufism, run the affairs of the creation.[1] Extremist Sufis have even more deviated beliefs, but we limit our discussion to only those beliefs that are related to the Deobandis in this book. S. R. Sharda comments in his book, ‘Sufi Thoughts’, “Sufi literature of the post-Timur period shows a significant change in thought content. It is pantheistic [2]. After the fall of Muslim orthodoxy from power at the centre of India for about a century, due to the invasion of Timur, the Sufi became free from the control of the Muslim orthodoxy and consorted with Hindu saints, who influenced them to an amazing extent. The Sufis adopted Monism [3], Bhakti[4]and Yogic practices from the Vaishnava Vedantic schools. By that time, the Vedantic pantheism among the Sufis had reached its zenith.” This observation by S. R. Sharda is correct, because eastern religions have a well-established and highly revered position for mysticism and abstinence, and Sufi beliefs are amazingly similar to them. Sufi Masters like Ibn Arabee[5], who is greatly revered by the Deobandi scholars[6], believed that every religion has an element of truth in it. He considered the Pagan religions and idol-worshipers as followers of the truth because in his view, everything is Allah and since there is no difference between the Creator and the created, the worship of the creation is worship of the Creator. His belief as mentioned in al-Fatoohaatul-Makkiyah is: “The slave is the Lord and the Lord is the slave, I wish that I knew which was the one required to carry out the required duties, if I were to say that the servant then that is true, or if I were to say the Lord, then how can that be required for Him.” Ibn Arabee says about the Sufis: “Sufi; the person with complete understanding is he, who sees every object of worship to be a manifestation of Truth (Allah) contained therein, for which it is worshiped. Therefore, they all call it a god, along with its particular name, whether it is a rock, or a tree, or an animal, or a person, or a star, or an Angel.”[7] It is this lax attitude of the Sufis towards false religions that makes Sufism receptive to many false philosophies and un-Islamic beliefs. Following is a comparison of five concepts and beliefs of Eastern Pagan Religions as compared to Sufi practices. 1 - In Search of God Hinduism and Buddhism claim to possess great books of wisdom inherited from the ancestors but instead of learning from these books, all of their philosophers and thinkers have to take up an essential journey to the wilderness... in search of God. The Sufis too, instead of referring to the Qur’aan and the Sunnah for guidance wander in forests in search of God. They seclude themselves from the society (Khilwah) for specific periods (Chillah), and examples of this are abundant in their books… 1. Moulana Zakariyah says: “He (Imdadullah Muhajir Makki) withdrew himself from the midst of people and wandered in the wilderness of Punjab, which became his home… He would refrain from eating for up to eight days. Not a grain would go down his throat in these periods of self-imposed starvation.”[8] (Click to view the scanned image of the quote) <.../../quotes/imdad-ul-mushtaq-9/imdad-ul-mushtaq-9.htm> 2. Moulana Zakariyah says: “A beggar (a Sufi master in disguise) chewed something, and gave Abdul Hadi to eat. As he ate the morsel, his state began to change. Shaikh Abdul Hadi developed a dislike for company and became claustrophobic in settlements. He would wander into the forest and spend most of his time there.”[9] 3. Moulana Zakariyah says: “Shaikh Ahmad Abdul Haqq Radoli was a person of ecstasy, and Uloom-e-Batiniyyah (inner knowledge) attracted him in full force. Even before completing his academic career, he adopted solitude and wandering in the forest.”[10]


2 - The Relationship between the Creator and the Creation The Hindus, Buddhist and Jain religions unanimously agree on the concept that everything is the Creator (i.e. nothing exists other than God. The Creator and His creation are, in reality, one) and ultimately everything merges in Him (the Creator). This merging is basically the goal of worship in Hinduism and Buddhism, which is also known as ‘Moksha.’ These pantheistic views of the Hindus and Sufis are amazingly similar. If one reads books explaining Pantheism by the Hindus and the books of Sufis, one would hardly see any difference. We shall see this with ample proofs in Chapter 3: ‘Pantheism, Wahdat al-Wajood or Moksha.‘


3 - Abstinence is the Key to Piety and Wisdom According to these religions; piety, wisdom and nearness to God are only possible when one devotes all his time in the wilderness and abandons the civilized world. Sadhus or hermits cause great hardships to themselves by practicing harsh acts of abstinence. They live without food for days to end until their bodies are reduced to just bones. Their devotional exercises include hanging upside down on the branches of trees for hours and sleeping on bed of nails. They meditate for long periods sitting without any movement in one position and hold their breaths for enormously long time. Professor D. S. Sarma, the author of numerous Hindu books says: “The higher phase of self-control is detachment. We have not only to overcome what is evil in life but also to become independent of what is good. For instance, our domestic affections, our family ties, our love for home and friends are good in themselves. But, as long as, we are passionately attached to these earthly things, we are only on the lower rungs of the spiritual ladder.”[11] The Sufis too believe in complete abstinence from worldly pleasures and deprive themselves of the blessings of Allah. It is mentioned in Irshaadul-Mulook, “According to some Sufiya, it has been learnt from experience that thirst is a deceptive desire. Therefore, whoever develops the habit of drinking less water at the time of thirst; Allah will quench his thirst until he gains the ability of abstaining from water for several months at a time. He will not even have the desire to drink water. Despite this, his physical health will not deteriorate in anyway whatsoever. His body will be sustained by the moisture acquired from the food he eats.”[12] We find number of stories concerning wandering and starvation of their Shaikhs mentioned in their books, 1. “He (Khwaajah Abu Hubairah) loved solitude dearly. His entire life was spent in one room. He would cry so much that people thought he would die. He abandoned all delicious food.”[13] 2. “Khwaajah Shareef Zandani stayed in forest for 40 years, fleeing from people. He subsisted on the leaves of trees and whatever he could find in the forest. He loved poverty and starvation. He would break fast only after three days. When he ate food, it was only salt-less vegetables.”[14] 3. Khwaajah Uthmaan Haaruni adopted Mujahadah for 70 years, never eating to satiation (to satisfy fully or excess) in all this time. He would drink mouthful of water only after seven days.[15] 4. “Hazrat Faridud Deen’s Shaikh advised him (Faridud Deen) hunger for three days and then eat what comes from Ghayb (Unseen). After three days, nothing came. On account of extreme hunger Faridud Deen put some pebbles in his mouth, the pebbles turned into sugar; he spat them out. A short while later, he again put some pebbles in his mouth which too, became sugar.

 This happened again for the third time. When Faridud Deen informed his Shaikh of the incident, his Shaikh said: “It would have been good if you had ate it.”[16] 5. “Khwaajah ilw Mumshad Dinwari was a perpetual faster. It is said that even during his infancy he would sometimes abstain from drinking his mother’s milk. He is therefore called a born wali.”[17] 6. Moulana Zakariyah says: “It is said that Khwaajah Abu Ahmad Abdaal Chisti never slept on bed for 30 years.”[18]


4 - Meditation, Excessive Chanting and breath holding Excessive chanting and breath-holding exercises are essential rituals of mysticism. This is generally done in solitude and for hours together. It is believed that such rituals enlighten the heart with knowledge and gives them miraculous powers.


The Sufis too have similar types of Dhikr… Moulana Zakariyah says: “Hazrat Nizamuddin al-Umri was instructed by his Shaikh to recite ‘Allahu’ 90 times in a single breathe gradually increasing the number in accordance with his ability. Ultimately, he developed his ability to the extent of up to 400 times with a single breath.”[19] The practice of heavy breathing, as in the Sufi Dhikr of inhaling whilst saying “La-ilaha” and then exhaling to create a loud and sharp voice saying ‘ill-lal-lah’ is seen in various oriental and eastern religions. Islam neither specifies breathing techniques as part of Ibaadah, nor sets any guidelines in this regard. This aspect of Sufism will be discussed further under, ‘Chapter 7: Worship in Islam.’


5 - The Concept of Eternal Life Eastern mystics claim to have eternal life. No people would worship a mystic or depend upon him to avert evil, if he had no control over his own existence. The concept of death would imply that they could not avert harm or help the people. Thus, the concept of eternal life - as is also inscribed on the grave of Rajneesh, “Osho – Never Born, Never Died - Only visited this Planet, Earth between Dec 11-1931 to Jan 19-1990.”[20] The Sufis consider their Shaikhs in the graves to be alive and in their senses. They consider them able to benefit their followers. Moulana Zakariyah quotes Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki in his book Mashaikh-e-Chist saying, “…The Faqir does not die. He is simply transformed from one abode to another. The same benefit which was received from the Faqir’s physical life will be acquired from his grave.”[21] These abovementioned examples show the origins of the many deviated and un-Islamic  concepts that the Sufis have borrowed from Pagan religions. The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) and his Companions (radhi allahu anhu) did not live the life of hermits; neither did they abstain from Halaal blessings of Allah. They did not punish themselves, nor did they indulge in the types of innovative and excessive Dhikr that the Sufis prescribe. They knew that guidance is only in following the revelation and not wandering in the wilderness.


[1] Moulana Zakariyah says: “According to some Ulema, he (Shaikh Ibnul Hamaam Hanafee) was among the Abdal (the Deobandi translator says Abdaal are a class of Awliya whose identities remain concealed. They possess miraculous powers and execute a variety of tasks under Divine Command in various places of the world). [Ikhmaalush Shiyaam (Eng. Trans.) p.59.] [2] Pantheism: The belief that God and the universe are the same - doctrine that God is an expression of the physical forces of nature [The World Book Dictionary] [3] Monism: The doctrine that the Creator and His creation are one and that nothing exists other than Allah. In Soofi terminology, it is known as Wahdat al-Wajood [4] Bhakti: Selfless devotion as a means of reaching a higher spiritual being. [5] Abu Bakr Muhyiddin Muhammad bin ‘Ali al-Tai, commonly known as Ibn Arabee / Ibn ‘l-’Arabee (1165-1240), was born in Murcia (Spain) and died in Damascus. He was one of the leading authorities on Sufism, who is respected by Sufis around the world. [6] The scholars of the school of Deoband consider Ibn Arabee to be one of ‘the great Soofi saints’ and refer to him, Ash-Shaikh al-Akbar (The Greatest Shaikh). A Question was put to Mufti Abdur Rahim Lajpuri, ‘Some Moulvis (religious leaders) allege that Moulana Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi, Moulana Muhammad Qasim Nanotwi, Moulana Khalil Ahmad Ambethvi, Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi and other religious divines are infidels and apostates, faithless and heretic, accursed and denizens of Hell etc. Please comment. Answer: “The unholy endeavor of vilifying and maligning men... is not something new”. Mufti Lajpuri then gives the examples of Prophets, the Sahabah, the scholars, the pious Imams and the Soofi saints who have suffered likewise. He then states, “(Even) the mystical statements of Ba Yazid of Bastami were adjudged to be inconsistent with the Sharee’ah... About the most great Shaikh Muhiyyud-Din

 Ibn Arabee it was said, ‘His unbelief (Kufr) is worse than the unbelief of the Jews and the Christians’.” [Fatawa Rahimiyyah (English trans.) vol.1, p.2-4] [7] Al-Fusoos (1/195), al-Wakeel: Hadhihi Hiyas-Soofiyyah (p.38). [8] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.220 and Imdadul-Mushtaq ila Ashraful-akhlaq (Urdu) p.9. [9] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.205. [10] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.166-167. [11] ‘The Religion of the Hindus’ by Professor D. S. Sarma, p.12. [12] Irshaadul-Mulook (Eng. Trans.) p.70. [13] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.125. [14] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.140. [15] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.142. [16] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.156. [17] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.126. [18] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.131. [19] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.192. [20] Rajneesh has a great admiration for Sufism, and he wrote numerous books on the subject. Among them are, ‘Soofis – the people of the  Path’, ‘Just like that’, ‘The Secret’, ‘The Wisdom of the Sands’, ‘The Perfect Master’ and ‘Until you Die.’ [21] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.211


Historical Background into the Deobandi-Barelawi Differences


Bitter difference and rivalry between the Deobandis and the Barelawis has caused much confusion and hatred amongst Muslims in the Indian subcontinent. One of the major issues that caused the rift and the subsequent formation of the school of Deoband was the Tafseer (explanation) of ‘Khaatam an-Nabeeyeen’ (seal of Prophet-hood) mentioned in Soorah al-Ahzab: “Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) is not the father of any man among you, but is the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) and the last of the Prophets (Khaatam an-Nabeeyeen).”[1] Moulana Ahsan Nanotwi (a prominent Deobandi scholar) mentioned that the Khaatam (seal) of the Prophet-hood mentioned in Soorah al-Ahzab does not deny the advent of another Prophet. And even if another Prophet arrived, this would not affect the finality of Prophet Muhammad’s (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) Prophet-hood.[2] The Barelawis strongly objected to this statement and used it as a proof for the  Takfeer of the Deobandis. The Deobandis also argue with the Barelawis on futile issues, like (Imkaan al-Kadhib) whether Allah has the ability to lie or not? Other issues of differences were the celebration of Milaad (the Prophet’s Birthday) and various innovations which accompany it, ceremonies in which Soorah al-Fatihah is recited over food before eating, celebrations and festivities held at the graves of popular saints, invoking the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) believing that the Messenger is Omnipresent and the like.[3]


The Real Ikhtilaaf (Disagreement)


In reality, the Barelawis and the Deobandis differ more in practice than in principle. This is apparent from books that have been written by the Deobandis in order to bridge their differences with the Barelawis. Most disagreements are either in finer details, or whether those actions are for specific people or for all. A good example is the issue of meditation (Muraqabah) and seeking benefit from the graves. Even though, the two groups outwardly oppose each other on this issue, the only difference is that the Barelawis call towards and recommend visiting graves to derive benefit from them for everyone, whilst the Deobandis make it specific for a few. Therefore, the rift between the Deobandis and the Barelawis is more of mutual prejudice, than of Aqeedah. The Barelawis on their part have relied mostly on conspiracy theories and misinterpretation in their Takfeer (declaring Kufr) of the Deobandis. They created a lot of noise on Moulana Ahsan Nanotwi’s  statement, “And even if another Prophet arrived…”, but this statement is not objectionable from the Sufi point of view. It simply stems from the common belief of all the Sufis that everything was created from the light of Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam), and that he (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) is the ‘Seal of Prophet hood’ from the very beginning. Besides, ‘real Sufis’ know that since nothing exists other than Allah, to believe in the real existence of Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) is Shirk. This shows that the differences between these two Sufi groups are superficial and based mostly upon party rivalry than upon religion. The Sufis in general do not give Aqeedah, which is the core of Islam, its due position. We shall elaborate further in light of statements by Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki.


[1] Soorah al-Ahzab (33): 40. [2] Tahzeerun-Naas, p.3 and 25. [3] See Bahishti Zewar, Part 12, p.222, (Unity in Islam by Haji Imdadullah).


The Importance of Aqeedah to the Sufis in light of an essay by Imdadullah Muhajir Makki


Firstly, the influence of the views of Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki on the Deobandis and the Jamaat Tableegh cannot be over-emphasized - He is the spiritual guide of many prominent Deobandi scholars like Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi and Qasim Nanotwi. Moulana Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi addresses his Shaikh Imdadullah Muhajir Makki as, “O my Refuge of both worlds.” and Moulana Zakariyah (the author of Fazaail-e-Aamaal) refers to him as, “guide for humanity.” An essay by Imdadullah Muhajir Makki has been compiled in the English translation of ‘Bahishti Zewar by the name, ‘Unity in Islam’ and its subject is the Deobandi-Barelawi Dispute. In this essay, Imdadullah Muhajir Makki comments upon the Milaad gatherings, which are held to commemorate the birth of Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam). In these gatherings, poetry in praise of Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) is read and when the crowd is  signaled, everybody stands (to greet the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam)). Imdadullah Muhajir Makki, the esteemed Shaikh of the Deobandi scholars, says about the Milaad gatherings... “…you should not hate someone who does not perform ‘Qiyaam’ (standing) in Milaad because this is not Wajib (desirable) or Fardh (obligatory)… If you know someone, who considers the Qiyaam as Wajib (obligatory), then Qiyaam will be an innovation for him alone. However, to call all those who perform Qiyaam in Milaad, as innovators, is exceeding the limit. It is quiet possible that the holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) stays in his abode in Paradise and our activities are shown to him as on T.V. or somehow through other means; through Angels or without them…” He further adds, “Consider these differences as trivial (unimportant), like the differences between Imam Abu Haneefah and Imam ash-Shafi’ee”. He says: “Do not oppose these  ceremonies, where they are customary… If those who oppose Qiyaam are also invited in a general meeting, then it is better to drop the Qiyaam. However, if it is not possible to do so, then if they (those opposed to Qiyaam) wish to continue then they should also join the rest in Qiyaam and Salaam.”[5] Commenting upon music, which is totally Haraam in Islam[6] Muhajir Makki says, “Do not call each other as Bidati (i.e. innovators) and Wahabi, live in peace with moderation. Musical concerts (or Sama or Qawwali) with or without instrumental music are likewise controversial. Some need them (instrumental music) among the loving Sufis (Ahle-Muhabbat) and it is best not to criticize others as hypocrites. Who do not need them should not perform them, but do not divide over trivial (unimportant) differences.” As we mentioned earlier, the Deobandis agree in principle on most issues with the Barelawis. The disagreements are either in finer details or, whether those actions are for specific people or for every one. This essay by Imdadullah Muhajir Makki is an open witness to this attitude and is apparent in both the examples (Milaad and music). Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki’s advice to his followers is that Milaad, the gatherings,  the standing to greet Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) and the belief that even after death Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) can attend multiple gathering at the same time are not innovations in themselves. The problem is only with those who consider standing in Milaad to be an obligation! Furthermore, he expresses no real disapproval for this “pagan originated custom” (as today’s Deobandis call it), by allowing his followers to participate in the Milaad. The so-called, ‘Ahle-Muhabbat’ mentioned by Imdadullah Muhajir Makki were those who indulged in the Haraam (prohibited) action of playing and listening to music, in order to please Allah. To exaggerate in righteous actions is bad enough but to indulge in Haraam action claiming to gain the pleasure of Allah is the worst of all. This essay also raises another question as to whether certain actions are Haraam for the common Muslims and Halaal for a special few. Is anyone above the Sharee’ah? Furthermore, Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki considers issues of Aqeedah and, Halaal and Haraam to be trivial. He considers such disagreements to be a mercy for the Ummah.


Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.242. Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.218. Bahishti Zewar is a highly revered book of the Deobandis written by Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi. This book deals with everyday Fiqh and is traditionally given to brides as part of their dower. The pro-Deobandi Majlis Ulema of South Africa says, “…The reason behind the standing during Milaad is the belief that Rasoolullah presents himself at such gatherings…” By this belief, “The attribute of omnipresence (present in all places at all times) is bestowed upon Rasoolullah.” The same booklet declares, “…the Milaad originated from the pagans.” [All quotations from the booklet, “What is Milaad?” p.12., published by pro-Deobandi Majlis Ulema of South Africa] Bahishti Zewar (Eng. Trans.) Part twelve, p.222. The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: “I forbid two voices, which are imbecilic and sinfully shameless: one is the voice (of singing) accompanied by musical instruments and Satan’s wind instruments.” [Related by al-Hakim]. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) warned the Muslims against those who consider music to be lawful, when he (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said, “There will be people from my nation [Muslims] who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk [for men], wine drinking and the use of musical instruments [ma’aazif]…. Then Allah will destroy them during the night causing the mountain to fall upon them, while He changes others into apes and swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of Resurrection.” [Saheeh al-Bukharee, (Eng. Trans.) vol. 7, 494 B] The Sufis consider this Haraam action as food of the soul: Abu Bakr al-Kalabadhi said, ‘I heard Abu’l-Qasim al-Baghdadi say, “Audition is of two kinds. One class of man listens to discourse, and derives therefrom an admonition: such a man only listens discriminately and with his hearten present. The other class listens to music, which is the food of the spirit and when the spirit obtains its food, it attains its proper station, and turns aside from the government of the body; and then there appears in the listener a commotion and a movement.” [The Doctrine of the Sufis, p.164]  See Bahishti Zewar, Part twelve, p.223, “Unity in Islam by Hazrat Haji Imdadullah”. Moulana Zakariyah has quoted five page discussion in his book “Mashaikh-e-Chist” from the writing of Moulana Ashraf Alee Thanvi’s by the name, “Haqqus Sama.” The conclusion of this discussion is that listening to Samaa and music is permissible for the Soofis with certain conditions. [See, Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.174.] See Bahishti Zewar, Part twelve, p.222.


Propagation of Truth Mixed with Falsehood


The Deobandis and the Barelawis both have their own specific religious schools, literature and Dawah organizations. It would be unjust to consider both these groups influenced by Sufism on an equal footing, because the Barelawis directly call to acts of Kufr and openly support such views by distorting the meanings of some Qur’aanic verses and Ahaadeeth. The Deobandis, however, do not openly call to grave-worship and saint-worship, and other acts of Shirk and Bidah (innovation). Rather, their Dawah organ, the “Jamaat Tableegh”, calls towards acts of righteousness, like Salaat (prayer), but they have various manifestations of Shirk in their beliefs, and innovations in their actions. Therefore, they may be less deviant but their danger to the Muslims in general is more, because of their hidden nature!! The emergence of people, who propagate the good mixed with falsehood, is prophesized by Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam). Hudhaifah Ibn al-Yamaan (radhi allahu anhu) narrates: “The people used to ask Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) about the good and I asked him about the evil, fearing that it would reach me. So I asked: “O Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam)! We were living in ignorance and evil, and then Allah brought this good (i.e. Islam) to us. So, will there be any evil after this good?” He (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) replied: “Yes” I then asked: “Will there be any good after that evil?” He replied: “Yes, but it will be tainted” So I asked: “What will be its taint?” He replied: “People who guide others to other than my way, you will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of others.”





Mr. Mansoor,


If Quran didn't declare Shias Kafir then Quran also didn't declare them Muslim. In Quran Shia word means 'group'. Are you rangraiz? Why not understand Roman Urdu?





Dear Furqan Sahab,


You are more than welcome to follow below mentioned Mullahs because for a sinner like me Quran and Hadith are more than enough


Dr. Shabbir Ahmed's Research http://www.ourbeacon.com/




From the message of Dr Shabbir Ahmed dated October 5, 2007 4:49 AM and Friday, October 5, 2007 9:28 AM


What is the Mullah? (By Fazil Deeniyat, Ghulam Jeelani Barq):


Mullah is a specific mentality with some telltale signs:


He is extremely closed-minded, has little tolerance for a follower of another religion. He hardly tolerates beardless Muslims, and belittles those who study the western sciences, or those who wear the western clothes. He is a staunch enemy of the Mullah in the neighbourhood Masjid and takes pleasure in denouncing people as Kaafirs.


He self-invites. To please his followers, brings easy recipes for achieving Paradise. He knows little about history and current events. The Mullah is extremely arrogant despite being thoroughly ignorant. He is totally disabled from engaging in rational discussion and takes delight in vain argumentation.


He is a worshiper of the dead Ulama and "Imams" and reviles anyone critical of the dead Mullahs. The Mullah has very twisted, derogatory beliefs about women. His knowledge is good for neither this world, nor for the Next. And so on. That is why and how I hate the Mullah.


DARS-E-NIZAMI (Devised by ‘Imam’ Ghazali):


Nizamul Mulk Toosi (1018-1092 CE) was the Prime Minister of the Suljuk King Malik Shah, and after him of King Alp Arsalan. Toosi was a Zoroastrian in Muslim disguise (Nihaayat-e-Tareekh-Abbasi, Sheikh al-Hafiz Yousuf Naishapuri). Toosi opened up the Great Nizamia University in 1067 CE in Baghdad. It was the foremost university of the Islamic world with satellites in Khurasan, Neshapur, Damascus, Bukhara etc. Smaller branches existed in Herat, Balkh, Merv, Tashkent and Isphahan in today's Afghanistan, Iran and the former Soviet states. The center in Baghdad had as its principal no less than the top criminal of Islam, 'Imam' Abu Hamid Ghazali who primarily laid down the mindless Nizami syllabus in collaboration with Toosi. Ghazali grossly insulted the exalted Messenger and his noble companions. For example, he wrote that Hazrat Umar used to break his fast not by eating or drinking but by having sex with three concubines. Soon you will see many shining stars like this.


Since 1067 CE when the Nizamia University was founded, nearly a millennium has gone by. Until this day, the syllabus, Dars-e-Nizami, prescribed by these two Criminals of Islam (Toosi and Ghazali) is very much in force throughout the world in the so-called Islamic Madrasahs. It includes nothing but stupidities, and therefore, carries no room for understanding the Last Word of God, Al-Quran.


Chanting to repel the invaders:


To get a glimpse of the conspiracy of Nizamul Mulk Toosi, just one example should suffice. As the Prime Minister of the Suljuk Empire, he advised the two successive kings not to build any defenses for the Empire. He claimed that his students in the Madrasahs would work on rosary beads and do Wazifas (chanting of verses) and repel the enemy. Even today, the nonsensical sixteen ‘Uloom (sciences) prescribed by Nizamia consume eight years of the life of the Muslim youth rendering them useless for this world and the next. Ironically, ask any Mullah who has gone through these Madrasahs for eight years as to who the founder of Darse Nizami was, and there is a very good chance he won't have an answer!




What I have learned through different sources that these Deobandis and Barelvis are basically the same with minor differences they both allegedly follow the Fiqh [Attributed to Imam Abu Haneefah] Hanafi and his followers and books these Deobandi and Barelvi read, quotes of which are as under:


Radd al-Muhtar ala ad-Dur al-Mukhtar is a book on Islam by 19th century Hanafi Scholar Ibn Abidin. A commentary on Imam al-Haskafi's Durr al-Mukhtar, it is commonly known as Radd al-Muhtar. It is said to be a compilation of the great Fatwas of Imam Abu Hanifa [May Allah have mercy on his soul], and Hidayah is the name of a famous Hanafi juridical work by Burhan-ud-din Ali bin Abi Bakr al-Marghinani (1152-1197) which is considered widely authoritative as a guide to Fiqh amongst Muslims in Central Asia, Afghanistan and India, and is the basis for much of the Anglo-Islamic law in India and Pakistan.


You can disagree with Dr Shabbir Ahmed http://www.ourbeacon.com/ but credit goes to him that he translated these rantings of Sufis [particularly Hallaj for whom sudden love has appeared in a Quran Aloner above, that is strange because Sufis would be the last group with whom the Quranist would agree] Deobandi - Barelvi Political Maulvis of Indo-Pak from their original books [I have read the original text]. It is quite a tragedy that Political Maulvis [every sect] of Indo Pakistan have received so much Basharat [News through Kashf i.e. Influx] that even Prophets [PBUT] haven't received that much Wahy [Perish the thought].


Excerpts are as under:


1. Do not try to understand the Qur'ân ever. Else, you will go astray. Fifteen “Uloom” (sciences) are required to understand the Book. (“Maulana” Zakaria Kandhalwi, Fazael Amaal, p.2)


2. Do not read the Qur'ân with understanding, you will go astray. (Fazaael Aamal, “Maulana” Ashraf Ali Thanwi, p. 216)


It is mentioned in Aamaal-e-Qur'aani, p. 134 by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi [published by Jasim Book Depot, Urdu Bazaar, Jama Masjid, Delhi] that if a woman has excessive menstrual bleeding, the verse (Surah Al-'Imran: 3:144) should be written on three different pieces of paper, one tied on her right and the other on her left and the third piece of paper with the Qur'ânic verse to be hung below the naval. This verse of the Qur'aan, "Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful." [Surah Al-'Imran: 3:144]


3. Delaying prayer once will cause a person to burn in the hellfire for 20.88 million years, just because he or she failed to pray on exact time. (“Maulana” Zakaria Kandhalwi, Fazaael Namaz, p.317)


4. Recite the whole Qur'ân in one raka’ah like saints did! [That will amount to more than 50 times of the whole Qur'ân in a single day!] (Fazaael Namaz p.64.) Saints recite 2,000 raka’ahs every day. They keep standing the full one month of Ramadhan reciting the Qur'ân twice a day! (Tableegh-I-Nisab Fazaael Aamal)


5. “Maulana” Ashraf Ali Thanwi separated the way of Salat between men and women in his book “Bahishti Zever.” (Masjid Tauheed, Karachi. Muhammad Sultan)


6. When Shah Waliullah was in his mother’s womb, she said a prayer. Two tiny hands (too) appeared for prayer. She was frightened. Her husband said, "You have Qutubul-Aqtab (Wali of Walis) in your womb (Hikayat-e-Awlia, p. 17 Ashraf Ali Thanwi) What a break-through!


7. Junaid Baghdadi was sitting when a dog crossed by. He merely glanced at the dog. The dog reached such glory that all dogs of the town followed him. Then he sat down and all dogs sat around him in meditation. (Ashraf Ali Thanwi. Imdad-ul- Mushtaq)


8. The holy messenger came to Shah Waliullah (in the 18 century!) and said, “Why do you worry? Your children are the same as mine.” (Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayat-ul-Awlia)


9. The prophet laid the foundation of Darul-Uloom, Deoband, India (in the 19th century) He comes to check accounts of the school. He has learnt the Urdu language. (Mubasshirat-e-Darul Uloom, and Deoband Number of the Darul-Uloom)


10. Mulla Mohammad Qasim Nanotwi saw in his dream that he was sitting in the lap of Allaah. (Biography of Mulla Qasim by Mulla Mohammad Yaqoob Nanotwi)


11. The advent of another Prophet is quite possible. (Mulla Abdul Hai Farangi Mahli and Mulla Qasim Nanotwi, Tahzeer-in-Nas, p.34, Athar Ibn Abbas, p.16)


Why blame Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani only?


12. Disrespect to a monk is more perilous than disrespect to Allaah. (Mulla Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Al-Ashraf, p.23, Nov. 1991)


13. Dear reader now read what p.154 “Islam or Maslak Parasti” says: According to the Qur'ân anything dedicated to other than Allaah in forbidden. It is our maulvi mind who declares virtuous such things as Koondas of Ja’afar Sadiq, halwa of Shabe barat in the name of Owais Qarni, haleem and sherbet of Imam Hussain and Niaz of the 11th in the name of Jeelani!


14. Risala Tazkara of Darul-uloom Deoband of 1965 claims: Anyone suffering from malaria who took dust from the grave of “Maulana” Yaqoob Nanotwi and tied this dust to his body, found instant relief.


15. Allaah cuts jokes with the Ulama of Deoband. One of them went to a well for “Wudu” (Ablution) He lowered the bucket in the well. It came back full of silver. The Holy man said to Allaah: Don’t kid around! I am getting late for prayers. He lowered the bucket in again and this time it came back full of gold. (Risala Tazkara of Darul-uloom Deoband of April 1965)


16. In the night of Meraj (Ascension) Imam Ghazali rebuked Prophet Moses. Mohammed said, " Respect O' Ghazali!" (Malfoozat Haaji Imdaadullaah Muhaajir Makki, Imdad-ul- Mushtaq) by Ashraf Ali Thanwi.


[Please note that Ghazali was born centuries after passing away of the holy prophet]


17. Take the right arm of a goat after Friday prayers. Be completely naked. Write Sura Yasin and the name of the person you want, and then put the meat in the cooking pot. That person will fall in love with you. (Monthly "Khalid" Deoband Darul Uloom)


18. If you want to kill your enemy write A to T on a piece of bread. Recite Surah "RA'AD.” Break the bread into five pieces and feed them to five dogs. Say to dogs, 'Eat the flesh of my enemy'. By the will of Allaah your enemy will have huge boils on his body. (Darul uloom Deoband "Khalid")


19. Say "Fazabooha" before you cut a melon, or any thing else (for that matter), you will find it sweet. (Aamale-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)


20. Recite the verse "When the heaven will split.” Write it (on a piece of paper) and tie to the left thigh of any woman in labor, child birth will become easy. Cut the hair of that woman and burn those between her thighs, childbirth will be easier still. (Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)


21. During labor pains let the woman hold Mawatta Imam Malik for instant delivery. (Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)


22. See what “Hakeemul Ummat” Thanwi says! Keep reciting "Al Mughni" during sex and the woman will love you. (Same book, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)


23.The prophet laid foundation of Darul-Uloom, Deoband, India (in the 19th century). He comes to check accounts of the school. He has learnt Urdu language. (Mubasshirat-e-Darul Uloom, and Deoband Number of the Darul-Uloom)


24. When, "Maulana" Zakaria, the father of "Maulana" Yousuf Bannuri would fall sick, the prophet would come. He told the house servant, "Badshah Khan! I (the holy prophet), am also serving Zakaria. (Bayyanat 1975 Ashraf Ali Thanwi p. 7)


25. The prophet said to sister-in-law of Haaji Imdaadullaah Muhajir Makki, "Get up! I will cook meals for guests of Imdaadullaah." (Bayyanat p. 8, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)


26. “Maulana” Yousuf Ludhianwi taught a simple method to make interest (usury) Halal. Borrow from a non-Muslim. (Masaail-e-Jadeedah)


27. The wife of Mullah Jalaaluddin Rumi thought that his sexual desire had vanished. The Mullah came to know of her suspicion in a special trance of revelation (KASHF). That night he went to the wife and drilled her 70 times. (Please excuse the language) So much so that she asked forgiveness. (Manaqib-il-Arifain, p.70, by Shamsuddin Akhlaqi)


Now please witness how far these Mujaddith's of Deoband can go! See what garbage Mulla Ashraf Ali Thanwi is trying to unload. The same Thanwi whom other Mullahs call “Hakeem-ul-Ummat”!


28. He writes on p.110 in “Imdaadul Mushtaq”: There was a true monotheist. People told him if delicious food is part of the person of Allaah and feces too is a part of Him, eat both. Well, the Sheikh first became a pig and ate feces. Then he became a human being and ate food! Isn’t that height of "wisdom" of our wise of the nation?”


29. Here is another pearl of wisdom from him: There was a Pir Sadiq from Ashraf Ali Thanwi’s town. He taught his disciples “There is no God but Allah and Sadiq is His messenger.” {Astaghfirullaah} The wise of the nation Thanwi declared that teaching OK. (Imane Khalis, p.109, Hazrat Masood Uthmani)


30. The holy messenger comes to Mulla Qasim Nanotwi and other big shots of Deoband, U.P to learn Urdu. He also checks accounts of the Madrasah. (Numerous references such as Haqaiq-o-Maarif, Deoband May 1975).


31. "Maulana” Yousuf Bannuri writes: The Prophet told my father, Zakaria! When you fall sick I also fall sick. Hazrat Ali had come to conduct the marriage of my father and mother. (In the 19th century!) (Iman-e-Khalis, pp. 7 and 8, Masooduddin Usmani, Fazil Uloom Deenia)


Furthermore it is not a co-incidence that these beliefs are in the Fazaail Aamal, rather each one of the misguided views is a well-established belief of the Deobandis - the school of thought that the Tableeghi Jamaat originates from. This has been shown with ample proofs. Please refer to the online book, "The JAMAAT TABLEEGH and the Deobandis - A Critical analysis of their Beliefs, Books and Dawah"


This book is not a fazail-e-Aamaal Combat Kit, But is an Enlightening insight in to the Scholars and Founding Fathers of Deoband and their Sufistic Beliefs, As Deoband have been looked upon as the good Guys and the Barelwis as the Bad Guys, However after reading the writings of the revered scholars and Founder of Deoband one Realizes that the difference between the Barelwis and the Deobandis is Miniscule and they both Share the Same Sufistic Beliefs of PIRS, FAKIRS, MIRACULOUS POWERS OF SAINTS, APPROVAL OF GRAVE WORSHIP, ZIKR, MEDITATIONS, MOKSHA, TAWASSUL, LOOKING DOWN UPON JANNAH, DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS WITH ALLAAH and many other same beliefs. One is forced to conclude that this dangerous misinterpretation and twisting of Islaamic beliefs and practices has been deliberate, oft repeated and has been purposely concealed from the common man, This can in no way be attributed to ignorance on the part of the Deoband Leaders.


Demented Sufis!


I am superior to the prophets (Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Hadeeqa Sultania p.190).


I have denounced Islam. I believe this is incumbent on people. If Allah is God in the heavens, I am God on earth (statement of Hussain bin Mansoor Hallaj, Khateeb Baghdadi vol.8, Ibne Athir 11:140, Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir).


Men of knowledge see Shias as swines (Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Futuhat Makkia 2:8).


Sheikh Imam Abul Hassan Noori was in the company of his disciples. The call to prayers came. The Sheikh said, “It is death.” Then a dog barked. The Sheikh replied, "Labbaik", meaning "Oh yes, my master" (Ibn-e-Jozi Talbees-e-Iblis p.383).


My body has merged with the body of Rasulullah. Therefore, we are one (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain).


I recite Sura Fatiha and walk across the river (Mulfoozat Moinuddin Chishti Ajmairi).


In the assemblies of "URS" (communion of Sufi souls with God), spirits of the dead Sufis come to dance around (Mulla Abul Kalam Azad, Iman-e-Khalis p.63).


Hazrat Dawood Jawarbi had seen Allah. When asked about Allah, he said, “Ask me not about His genitals and His beard. Ask about anything else (Al-Millil wal-Nahil, Imam Shehristani 1:96).


Even better, the authorities should have painted Imam Shehristani a clown for conveying such rubbish. Allah is sitting in the heavens. I am the God on earth (Mansoor Hallaj, Ibne-Athir 2:140/Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir).


The priest in the church is our Allah (Ibn-Arabi, Qasasul Ulema p.53).


There is no one else worthy of worship. Come and worship me (Mulla Jalaluddin Rumi, Mathnawi 4:52).


Time for a laugh: This morning Allah wrestled with me. He floored me because I am 2 years younger than He is (Abul Hassan Kharqani, Fawaid Faridiya p.78).


Alas! The Muslim fails to understand that Allah can be found only in idol worship (Sufi Mahmood Shabistri, Sharah Gulshan-e-Raz p.294).


Hanafis are people who are pacing toward hellfire. The death anniversary of Imam Hussain must be celebrated like the Festival of Eid (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Ghania al-Talibain p.190).


My foot is on the neck of every saint, so I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar ul Qadam p.191).


I hate the God who does not appear as a dog or cat (Ibn-Arabi, Khazeena Imaniya p.168).


Whenever Khwaja Maudood Chishti wanted to see the Ka’aba, angels airlifted it to the land of Chisht (Malfoozat Khwaja Qutubuddin Bukhtiar Kaki, Fariduddin Ganj Shakar). This Khwaja Maudood Chishti is reported to be the ancestor of the famous Mulla Maudoodi.


One thousand years have gone and so has the time of Muhammad. Now it is my time, the time of Ahmad. The second millennium is mine (Ahmad Sarhindi, so-called “Mujaddid Alf-Sani” [Revivalist of the second millennium], Mubda-o-Muad).


Books of the Tableeghi Nisab “Fazael Aamal” were presented to the Holy Prophet (in the twentieth century!) and he accepted them (Behjatul Quloob p.12).


Khwaja Qutbuddin Maudood Chishti’s dead body flew in the air on its way to the graveyard. Khwaja Fareeduddin Ganj Shakar upon narrating this fell unconscious (Rahatil-Quloob, Ganj Shakar). He should have expired.


Adam cried for 300 years. (So much so that) birds made nests on his face. His tears brought forth so much grass that it covered his (60 meters long) body (Rahatul Muhibbeen, Ameer Khusro, Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia).


A bird came and told us, "Tomorrow is Eid. Unlike humans we are free from lies.” Sheikh Faqirullah knew a crow that often learned monotheism from him (reference same).


If Awlia (saints) wish, they can accept invitations from 10,000 towns (and be there) at the same time (Ahmed Raza Barelwi, Malfoozat part I p.127).


When Shah Waliullah was in his mother’s womb, she said a prayer. Two tiny hands appeared for prayer. She was frightened. Her husband said, "You have Qutubul Aqtab (Saint of Saints) in your womb (Mulla Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayat-e-Awlia p.17). What a breakthrough!


The Prophet laid the foundation of Darul Uloom, Deoband, India (in the 19th century!). He comes to check the accounts of the school. He has learnt Urdu from the Ulema of Deoband (Mubasshirat-e-Darul Uloom, and Deoband Number of the Darul Uloom). Was this tale made up to lend credence to the Deoband Mulla factory? You decide.


Allah revealed Himself to me as an extremely beautiful woman, decorated with fine ornaments and garments. She suddenly embraced me and merged into my body (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain pp.94-95).


One night I started flying from heaven to heaven until I reached the Prophet. He accepted my allegiance (reference same, pp.38-39).


The sun cannot rise before greeting me. The new year, the new month, the new day, dawn not without greeting me and informing me of every single event (Malfoozat Ahmed Raza Barelwi about Ghaus Azam Jeelani).


A wolf was brought before Prophet Jacob. He said to the wolf, “Tell me about my son, Joseph.” The wolf said, “I am an animal, but I do no backbiting” (reference same).


Prophet Job prayed, “O’ God! Give me 12,000 tongues so that I may recite your name.” God accepted his prayer and infested his body with 12,000 insects (reference same).


The mosquito that killed Nimrod was lame (Malfoozat Chishti).


Hazrat Uthman brought home a fish. All the firewood burnt off, but the fish remained fresh (uncooked). When the Prophet asked it the reason, the fish said, “I had sent my salutations to you once” (reference same).


Shah Waliullah believed in the Unity of Existence. He believed that insects, animals, idols and human beings were all God (Syed Farooq Al-Qadri, Anfasul Arifain).


Allah has only 99 virtuous names. I have more than 99, in fact 4000 (Shah Waliullah for his uncle, Anfasul Arifain p.210).


Some people told Shah Abdur Raheem (Shah Waliullah’s father) that they were trying to find God. My father said, “I am He!” They stood up and shook hands (reference same, p.93). Why didn’t they prostrate?!


God came to me in a cloak in the guise of an extremely beautiful woman. I became passionate and said, “Cast aside your cloak.” The response came, “The cloak is very thin. It reveals my beauty.” I insisted, upon which the cloak was lifted (quote of father and son: Shah Abdur Raheem & Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain p.94).


The great Pir (master saint) of the 19th century, Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, has been quoted in his Malfoozat p.32 that "Prophets are alive in their graves like ever before. They eat, drink, pray and receive their wives in the grave and engage in sex with them."


Now watch God’s retirement plan: Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani claimed: Allah has made me eternal and has joined me with Him. He has given in my hand this world and the Hereafter and all Creation (Jeelani, Malfoozat Fuyuz Yazdani, Fath-e-Rabb-ani, Majlis 51).


Prophet David and Prophet Mohammad both sinned because they saw the beauty of unclothed women. Then Uria’s wife and Zaid’s wife became haram (forbidden) for their husbands (Ali Hajweri, alias “Daata Ganj Baksh,” Kalamil Marghoob p.349). [This Rascal Data basically quoted the False Narration of Hisotry of Tabari]


Junaid Baghdadi said that Prophet Solomon was the illegitimate son of David from Uria’s wife. Sheik Seerin wrote that Surah Ahzab of the Qur'an means to say that Muhammad the Exalted was hiding the carnal love of Zainab (the wife of Zaid), in his heart (Malfoozal Al-Aasl p.219).


A wife of the Holy Prophet saw a male sparrow mounting the female sparrow. She challenged the Prophet. When the night set in, the Prophet mounted her in a most furious manner 90 times and said, “See! There is no deficiency here” (Shamsuddin Akhlaqi, Manaqib-il-Arifain pp.70-71).


These dogs and swines are our God (Fusoosul Hukm, Mohiuddin Ibne Arabi).


Ba-Yazeed Bistami, supposedly the head of all saints, is quoted in his Malfoozat (book of quotes):


I am Glorious, the Ultimate, the Pure. My glory is beyond description.


My kingdom is greater than the Kingdom of God.


Allah is in my pocket.


My flag flies higher than the flag of Mohammad.


I dove into the sea of true knowledge while the prophets watched by the shore.


Ali Hajweri, “Daata Ganj Bakhsh,” in his Kashfil Mahjoob, pp.255-256 supports Ba-Yazeed's claim that he was Allah in human form.


Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri taught his disciples a different Kalema (creed) “There is no god but Allah and Chishti is His messenger” (Khwaja Fareed-ud-Din Ganj Shakar, Fawaed-us-Salikeen pp.126-127).


Now what message is Sheikh Afeef-ud-Din Talmisani trying to convey when he says:


The Qur'an is loaded with shirk (polytheism). True monotheism is that everything in the universe is God (Malfoozat Talmisani p.205).


It was OK for the Pharaoh to say, “I am God”. He, of course, was a part of the Essence of God (reference same). Ibraheem Adham reached the Ka’aba in 14 years because he prayed two nawafil at every step. But the Ka’aba was not found! "It has gone to visit Rabia Basri," came a voice from the heavens (Malfoozat Khwaja Uthman Harooni, Aneesul Arwah p.17). Doesn’t it make us think why the Ka’aba could not go to meet the Holy Prophet in Hudaibiah?


According to Sheikh Afifuddin Talmisani’s Malfoozat page 177, Rabia Basri was in romance first with Hasan Basri and then with Ibrahim Adham.


In Cordova, I fell in love with Fatima. In Makkah I fell in love with the beautiful Ain-ush-Shams. The spiritual windows opened upon me hence. (Sheikh Mohiuddin Ibne Arabi, Fusoosul Hukm)


Ba-Yazid Bistami could take the soul of any person whenever he wanted. My uncle Abu Raza Mohammad, upon hearing this became angry and said, “Ba-Yazid could not return the soul (and restore life). I can take a soul and return it, as I want.” Then my uncle took the soul of Rahmatullah and brought him back to life (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Afrifain p.95).


Junaid Baghdadi was sitting when a dog crossed by. He merely glanced at the dog. The dog reached such glory that all dogs of the town followed him. Then he sat down and all dogs sat around him in meditation (Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Imdadul Mushtaq).”


The Holy Messenger came to Shah Waliullah (in the 18 century!) and said “Why do you worry, my son? Your children are the same as mine” (Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayat-e-Awlia).


It is obligatory upon a Mu’min (believer) that he quits eating and drinking. He must get weak to the point where he becomes unable to pray (Sahl bin Abdullah Tastari, Malfoozat Arabi p.289).


Hazrat Sha’arani was the Sheikh of miracles. He resided in a meadow. He used to visit the town riding a wolf. He walked on water. His urine was drinkable like pure milk (Allama Tareshi’s excerpts, Misra Tasawwuf p.194). Did Tareshi try it?


Jalaluddin Rumi never prayed. When the time for prayers came he used to vanish. At last it was detected that he went to pray in Ka’aba (2000 miles away from Qunia five times a day) (Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia, Rahat-il-Quloob).


My uncle saw me create and destroy the universe (Shah Waliullah, Afasul Arifain p.210).


Once there was a Sheikh who used to grab a dog every day and put him on the prayer rug and said, “O dog, you are in the hands of God!” Those dogs then started walking on water and healed people by giving them ta’aweez (amulets) (Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki, Malfoozat).


The dead body of a dervish was lying in a jungle laughing. I asked him, “You are dead, and how can you laugh?” The dead body replied, “This is what happens in the love of Allah” (Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Malfoozat).


The Universe lies within the Mount Caucasus. This mountain is 40 times bigger than the earth. A cow is holding it on its head (Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Dalilul Arifain).


The people of Multan refused to provide fire to Shah Shams Tabrez for roasting meat. He became enraged and brought the sun down (and roasted the meat). People became restless with heat. They came to the saint and asked his forgiveness and then he ordered the sun to go back. Since that day the town became known for its hot summers (Ali Quli Baghdadi, Karamat Shah Tabrez p.233).


A great saint Hazrat Abdul Wahab went to visit the grave of Pir Syedi Ahmad Kabir. Abdul Wahab saw a beautiful bondwoman. Syedi Kabir called from his grave, “Hey, do you like her?” The owner of the bondwoman instantly dedicated her to the grave. The dead Pir spoke again, "O’ Abdul Wahab! Take her to the room in front and satisfy your desire" (Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, allegedly “the greatest master of Islamic law and reviver of the 19th century,” Malfoozat part 3 p.28).


Ibraheem Adham was Governor of Balakh. While hunting, a deer turned back and scolded him. Since that day Adham quit his rule (and became a saint) (“Daata” Ganj Bakhsh, Kalamil Marghoob p.229).


When the companions went with the Prophet for ghazwat (Jihad) some of their wives had relations with other men (Mulla Jalaluddin Rumi, Feeh-ma-Feeh, Saleem Chishti, Islami Tasawwuf p.66).


Women are the source of all tribulation in the world, religious or otherwise (Hajwairi, “Daata Ganj Bakhsh” in Malfoozat Barelwi).


There was a 140-year old worshipper. He had a foot that was amputated. When asked he said, “I was in eitekaf (seclusion for worship in a masjid). I stepped one foot out. An angel warned me and I immediately cut off my foot with a knife” (Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri in Malfoozat Uthman Harooni).


Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri writes in the same book that the moon and the sun eclipse because of the sins of people! The Holy Prophet had explained that eclipses occur according to the Divine Laws.


A man stole shrouds from graves for 40 years, but he went to the highest degree in Paradise. Why? Because he held on to the prayer rug (he was steadfast in prayers) (Malfoozat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, by Khwaja Qutub Alam, Daleel Arifain).


Watch for wisdom from Chishti in the same book: The hellfire is placed in the mouth of a snake deep in the seventh level of the earth; otherwise the whole Universe would burn. Khwaja Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki knew half the Qur'an by heart when he was born (Fawaid-as-Salikeen, Khwaja Fareed-ud-Din “Ganj Shakar”).


What titanic forces prevented him from completing it?!


Fareed-ud-Din “Ganj Shakar” (which means: the treasure of sugar) turned bushels of sugar into salt and again into sugar (The Beloved of God, “Mehboob-e-Elahi” Khwaja Nizam-ud-din Awlia, Rahatul Quloob).


The Prophet attended the funeral of Barakat Ahmed. And I led the prayer, (i.e. the Prophet was his follower in prayer) (Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, Malfoozat).


Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti says, “What do you ask of the Mount Caucasus? This mountain is resting on the head of a cow. The greatness and size of this cow equals 30,000 years of travel. Her head is in the East and her tail is in the West. She has been standing since eternity praising the Lord.” Sheikh Uthman Harooni reports that after narrating this (insult to human intelligence), Sheikh Maudood Chishti and a companion sank into deep meditation. Both disappeared leaving their gowns behind. They had gone to take a stroll up the Mount Caucasus (Malfoozat Khwaja Chishti Ajmeri by Khwaja Bakhtiar Kaki, Daleelul Arifain pp.85-86). They should have disappeared from the planet.


By God! I know 99 out of 100 thoughts that come in the heart of an ant living in the lowest stratum of the earth. Allah knows all one hundred (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain p.205).




Following are the quotes from their own books. I have read their books and while reading it is revealed that these Anarchist Deobandis [that includes Taliban and Lal Mosque Brigade] practice everything secretly which is practiced by Shias and Barelvis e.g. Taweez, Ganda, Amaliyat, Sufism, Chilla, Taskheer-e-Jinnat Wa Moakillat [Charms, Amulets, Special Incantation (creation of their own not in Quran and Hadith), and Practicing Black Magic through Quran], the only difference is that Shias and Barelvis have the 'Moral Courage' to do these things openly but Deobandis have no so such courage. One of the Deobandi Madrssah in Pakistan which is owned by a former Shariah Court Judge, publishes a book regularly from which these Haraam Practices [Unlawful] mentioned above and the claim by the Administrator of this Madressah about the following book is that the Incantation [Wazeefas and Taweezat] are as per Islamic Shariah. I have read the below mentioned

 bookmyself [word by word - cover to cover] which was from Arabic to Urdu during the so-called Islamic Period of General Zia ul Haq [Son in Law of Mian Tufail - Ameer of Jamat-e-Islami]. Original manuscript is also in Museums of Paris, France.


1- Shamsul Muarif Al Kubra by Abul Abbas Ali Boni {the most shameful book ever written on Black Practices like Magic and Amulets through Holy Quran}.


The other books which are prevalent in Deobandis for the practices mentioned above:


1 - Asli Jawaher-e-Khamsa by Shah Mohammad Ghaus Gawaliyari. {One of the most dirtiest and treacherous books on objectionable and blasphemous recitation of Holy Quran and polytheists recitation for ulterior motives. May Allah save every Muslim from using or even reading this book}.


2 - Asli Bayaz-e-Mohammadi by Sheikh Mohammad Thanvi.


3 - Aamal-e-Qurani by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi {a book containing such shameful and blasphemous practices using Holy Quran and its Holy verses for ulterior motives. May Allah save every Muslim from such books}.


4 - Maktoobat wa Bayaz-e-Yaqoobi by Maulana Mohammad Yaqub {mysterious and blasphemous recitation of several polytheist wazeefas}.


There is no such thing as Kashful Qaboor [Knowledge of what's happening in the grave] , this Aqeedah [Belief] itself is a worst kind of Kufr [Disbelief] and it is totally against Quran and Hadith as well. There is another myth that is popular amongst the people of Lahore that the grave of Late. Ahmed Ali Lahori [no doubt a pious deobandi scholar but it has been attributed to him that he had the knowledge of Grave mentioned above] has the scent of Musk! No such scent was ever felt when I myself was in Saudi Arabia and visited Graveyard of Medina [Jannatul Baqih] where several Companions of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and his his near family members are buried and believe me they [May Allah be pleased with all of them] were far more pious then the Mullahs/Sufis.


Whatever is in the grave is hidden from Men and Jinn and Mullah Lahori or any other Tom, Dick or Harry cannot listen. No such Wazeefa [Incantation, Supplications and Recitations of Quran] exist in the Traditions [Hadiths], Athar and Qaul [Companions Tradition] and Interpretation of Maliki, Hanafi, Shaf'ai, and Hanbali School of thought. These kind of absurdities started in Indo-Pak Mullahs of Deoband and that is why British Raj successfully governed the Sub-Continent with carte blanche and sent most of these Deobandi Maulvis to Kala Pani [Death Island] near Far East and no Wazeefa helped these Deobnadi Anarchists to attain their Freedom. Mullah Omar of Afghanistan before 911 when he took over Afghanistan had made a speech and said that he had seen Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] in his dream and later he showed the alleged Shirt of Prophet Moahmmad [PBUH] to get the loyalties of Innocent and Ignorant Afghans but it didn't help him either against the

 Americans after 911. Shah Ismail Shaheed and Syed Ahmed Shaheed [Book Sirat-e-Mustaqeem] had also claimed of such dreams [in total more than 20] to launch Jihad against Sikhs in NWFP 200 years ago but in reality they were thoroughly defeated by Sikhs with the help of Muslim Barakzai and Durrani Tribes of NWFP. Dreams and Kashf [Influx] are not Hujjat [Proof] in Islam.


Deobandis [Hanafites and as per Ahl-e-Hadith Scholars these Deobandis are not Hanafites but Asharis and Maturidis and for Ahl-e-Hadiths, Deobandis are deviant] are strangest amongst the Muslim they declare Shias as deviants rather apostates but one of the leading Deobandi Scholar Late. Ashraf Ali Thanvi {Maternal Uncle and Father-in-Law of Maulana Ehtisham ul Haq Thanvi of Pakistan} in one of his magnum opus “Baheshti Zewar [Ornaments of Paradise]” which he had written for women and their day to day problems. In this book [earlier 2 volumes now only one and very thin] he in a chapter of Amliyat and Amulets {Special Recitation and Black Magic through Holy Quran} he very independently used a Shia Science of Numerology {Abjad, Hawaz, Hoti, Kaliman, Sohfaz – this science is used to predict future and future of any person as per the claims of masters of this science} for making Amulets for the betterment of this so-called Muslim Ummah. Late. Abu ZehraMisri, way back in 50s had written several books on the life and work of Imam Jafer Sadiq, Imam Abu Haneefa, Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal, Imam Taimiya, and Imam Qayyam {May God Bless all of them in Heavens, Amen}, in the book which was about Imam Jafer Sadiq, Prof. Abu Zehra had indepth discussed this so-called Shia Science of Numerology and he with several leading Shia Scholars proved that this very “Evil Science of Numerology” is wrongly attributed to the great Imam Jafer because Jafer was a great Fiqh and Scholar and this science if full of polytheism. He further wrote that one Haroon Bin Saeed Ajli invented this Science and attributed and mixed it with the genuine work of Imam Jafer Sadiq. Now we come back to “Deobandiya” who otherwise shamelssly declare Shias as infidels and apostate whereas their own “Deobandi” scholars use this “Deviant Shia Science in their Quranic Black Magic”. There is another magnum opus of Late. Maulana Ashraf

 AliThanvi known as “Aamaal-e-Qurani” [Special Recitation from Quran] which is full of shameful use of Holy Quranic Verses for ulteriror motives through Heathen Practices e.g. writing the verses with special ink for having magical effects before intercourse with your wife. Major work of these Indian and Pakistani Deobandis resolve around making Aphrodisiacs [Kushta and Tila] for love making or issuing Fatwa of apostasy against believing Muslim or declaring Jihad at the behest of Ulterior Motives e.g. Strategic Depths of Mirza Aslam Beg.


The Sufism of nowadays doesn’t exceed beyond grave, saint worshipping and Taweez Ganda {Amulets} and selling miracles to hoodwink common people in the name of Sufism and False Piety, these Sufiyas are worse than Wolves. The bunkum we read in Sufi books is itself tantamount to lies and super natural tales and common men couldn’t understand what these term Sufiya had used to further confuse the masses. These Books of Sufiyas be burnt in fire openly, once and for all. Their Shrines and Tombs must be razed/buldozed to the ground. All of these books of Sufis like Fissosul Hukum by Ibn-e-Arabi, Fathuhat-e-Makkiya by Ibn-e-Arabi, Kashful Mahjoob by Ali Usman Hajveri aka Data Ganj Bakhsh and other such nonsense prevalent in the name of Sufism, which attribute God Like powers in these Magicians {Sufia} who are out to destroy faith of the common people specifically sub-continent. Hazrat Shah Waliullah Dehelvi in his book “Al Qaul al Jameel Fi Bayan As Sawaus

 Sabeel” had quoted the Grand Sufi Master Hazrat Junaid Baghdadi [He who does not know Quran and Hadith must not be followed in Tassawuf as our way {Sufism} is linked with Quran and Hadith, Arabic Translation “Kullo Tareeqa Raddatul Shariah Za Howa Zandaqa”. Urdu Translation: Yaani Jis Tareeqat Ko Rad Karay Shariat Pas Who Napat Kufr Hai] and the very same Shah Waliullah telling the readers in the same book that if you want to watch what’s going on in the grave {Kashf-e-Qaboor} Completely forgetting:


No soul knoweth what it will earn to-morrow, and no soul knoweth in what land it will die. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. [LUQMAN (LUQMAN) Chapter 30 -Verse 34]


You just sit facing Kaba in the graveyard after ablution and place the copies of Holy Quran all around you [right, left, front and back] and then recite several selected Chapters form Quran and you would be able to see as to what is going on in the grave. These apostate and infidel declaring factories i.e. Deobandi-Wahabi Mullahs follow Shah Waliullah as if he was some kind of God and never bother to look into Quran and Hadiths and tell all and sundry as to from where Shah Waliullah concocted this fairytale of supernatural power to watch inside the grave without digging it. Wasn’t this claim itself an apostasy as only Allah knows what is going on inside the grave and in the worlds which we cannot see {Faith on Unseen – Iman-e-Ghaib}.


You would have often noticed that these fire-starter Mullahs often in Juma Prayers ask from Allah the death of martyrdom and when somebody bumps one of these fire starters their disciples from Madressah resort to damage the property and public transport. They gave strike call and do everything, which is wrong as per their beloved religion Islam and its Shariah. As per their Deobandi-Islam Fatwas there are no mourning for martyrs and since centuries these Sunni Fatwa Mongers castigate and issue Fatwa against Shias on their mourning the martyrdom of Hazrat Hussain Ibn-e-Ali {RA} and his Ahle-Bait but when someone from the Scholars of Deobandiya is ‘martyred’ they raise hue and cry and break every commandment of ALLAH. When you start a fire it always reaches you and burn you down as well. Shias who otherwise always try to prove that they are very innocent but they were also part and parcel of Sunni-Deobandi-Wahabi-Barelvi Mullah Mafia in  declaring“Ahmedis or Quadiyanis” as Apostate and Infidel and in the end they are now at the verge of being declared as apostate by this very same Mafia of which they were part and parcel. May God have mercy upon all of us, Amen.


Say (O Muhammad, to the disbelievers) : I say not unto you (that) I possess the treasures of Allah, nor that I have knowledge of the Unseen; and I say not unto you: Lo! I am an angel. I follow only that which is inspired in me. Say: Are the blind man and the seer equal? Will ye not then take thought? [AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6 Verse 50]


Say: For myself I have no power to benefit, nor power to hurt, save that which Allah willeth. Had I knowledge of the Unseen, I should have abundance of wealth, and adversity would not touch me. I am but a warner, and a bearer of good tidings unto folk who believe. [AL-ARAF (THE HEIGHTS) Chapter 7 Verse 188]


And they will say: If only a portent were sent down upon him from his Lord! Then say, (O Muhammad): The Unseen belongeth to Allah. So wait! Lo! I am waiting with you. [YUNUS (JONAH) Chapter 10 Verse 20]


Say (O Muhammad): None in the heavens and the earth knoweth the Unseen save Allah; and they know not when they will be raised (again). [AL-NAML (THE ANT, THE ANTS) Chapter 27 Verse 65]


On Fri, 1/23/09, Muhammad Furqan <furqanhassan14@yahoo.com> wrote:


Mr. Mansoor.


It seems that you know nothing and i suggest Mr. Syed not to argue with a person like you. Well if you read the Holy Books you will find the creiteria of Kafir, Munafiq, murdid etc.


(1) Did quran declare Qaidiani Kafir?


(2) What about buddist, Hindus etc?


(3) Can you proof yourself and your forefathers a Muslim (mention verses of quran....)


(4) Can you tell me what are the criteria of being a Muslim?


(5) If you don't believe in Mullas Fatwa then you should not believe  in "Nikkah nama" (marriage agreement) of your parents as it is  issued and approved by Mullas hence not a Hujjat (proof) tell me  where it is written



Dear Furqan Sahab,


If I know nothing then why did you ask question from me. However, as per my poor and humble knowledge, answers are as under:


(1) Did quran declare Qaidiani Kafir? [Furqan]


Mansoor: Mirza Ghulam Ahmed denied the finality of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and declared it openly and this is ultimately denying the Quran so Mirza automatically became Infidel because denying the finality of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] is negating Quran. Read the Quran.


(2) What about buddist, Hindus etc?


Mansoor: Their act of associating Partner with Allah is enough proof. Read Quran.


(3) Can you proof yourself and your forefathers a Muslim (mention verses of quran....). [Furqan]


Mansoor: My immediate forefathers were Muslim and so am I [By the Grace of Allah]. And if they were not then I am not responsible for them. Read Quran Chapter 2 Verse 141.


(4) Can you tell me what the criteria of being a Muslim are? [Furqan]


Mansoor: Having belief on the Five Pillars of Islam as given in Quran and Hadith [Bukhari, Muslim and other Hadith books]


(5) If you don't believe in Mullas Fatwa then you should not believe  in "Nikkah nama" (marriage agreement) of your parents as it is  issued and approved by Mullas hence not a Hujjat (proof) tell me  where it is written that you are the legal son of your  parents.[Furqan]


Mansoor: Nikah can be managed/recited by anybody by reciting Masnoon [As prescribed in Hadith] Khutbah {Read Khutbah of Nikah in Sahih Muslim, Nisa’ai, Musnad Ahmed, Sunan Darimi, and Mishkqat - Only three or two Verse from Quran]. Sir, you must learn something about  Masnoon Nikah and Islamic Marriage before opening your filthy mouth  because its not Mullah who approved the marriage but the Quranic  Verses, Alimony [Meher] and Witnesses and Mullah is only a Record  Keeper. You shouldn't worry about my being illegitimate [Harami] or legitimate [Halali] because you would not be the Judge on the Judgement day.


URL: http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamicIdeology_1.aspx?ArticleID=1146



  • Please excuse me for copy/paste but I sincerely thought that I should share this with all the good readers out there.....





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    Saffar 1430 AH

    (February 1, 2009)



    Assalaamu Alaikum

    (Greetings of Peace):


    This year, 1430 AH (2009 CE) marks the 30th anniversary of the Islamic Republic of Iran. It pleases me to share with our readers a letter to the leader of this nation, from the elected leader of another nation that has been under a brutal occupation for the past six decades! As I've stated in the past, in my humble opinion, no contemporary nation-state has given more support to the Palestinian people than Iran. (And this is one of the reasons why Iran is the TARGET that it is.)


    I believe that despite all of its mistakes and imperfections, ALLAH Ta'ala has protected this nation because of the integrity that it has consistently strived for (generally speaking) as an Islamic nation. In the year 1408 A.H. (1988 C.E.), I wrote a poetic tribute to Iran, which in large part celebrated the intense struggle that it was still going through. The imposed war - between Iran and Iraq - had entered it final stage, and enemies from within were assassinating some of its leading scholars. By the Grace and Mercy of ALLAH, it weathered these diverse storms and arrived to where it is today. 


    On this occasion, I will give a slight update to the poetic tribute written years ago; with a prayer on my lips that ALLAH continues to bless this nation to be a fountain of hope and inspiration for the Ummah of the last divinely sent Messenger and Prophet to all humanity, Mohammed ibn Abdullah (peace and blessings be upon him), and for humanity as a whole. Ameen.  





    They take your young, your old, and the learned among you

    In a futile attempt to take your freedom

    They have not yet learned the lesson that

    A true Muslim is no man's slave

    Oh, but you will teach them

    And for this


    We salute you!


    They sought to abort your destiny before the time of your deliverance

    And still you were born. And your birth provided

    The downtrodden, destitute masses

    With needed relief, renewed faith

    And hope for the future

    And for this


    We salute you!


    When you were born they predicted your early demise

    Infanticide would surely take its course for

    An impudent child who refuses

    The prepared formula of

    Alliances based on



    With the unsanctioned, yet blessed cry:

    Neither East, Nor West, only Islam!

    How could it live? Oh, but you have

    Your Nourisher and Sustainer

    Has blessed you to Survive!

    And for this


    We Salute You!


    They think of you as an illegitimate child of history

    An accident of circumstance, never meant to be

    But these are creatures without faith,

    And thus they cannot see


    That you were not an accident of history, nor mere confluence of events

    But the manifestation of divine will and prophecy

    Why can't they see this? Have they no sense!


    They try to take away your freedom, thru enemies concealed

    In the cloak of Islam, throwing away untold millions in

    Monetary resources, while continuing to feed the

    Ever-flowing, unquenchable river of



    (How unfortunate they don't seem to realize, we must all one day answer for what we have done!)


    Despite the attempts to deny you your faith through unrelenting sectarian intrigues

    You've remained a constant and dutiful proponent of

    The noble quest for Oneness

    Islamic Unity!


    In light of the many positive achievements you've accrued

    Despite all of your enemy's plans

    On the occasion of this!!!  

    Your 30th Anniversary!


    We Salute You, Islamic Republic of Iran! 



    On the authority of Amir ibn Sa'd ibn Abu Waqqas: "I wrote a letter to Jabir ibn Samura and sent it to him through my servant Nafi, asking him to inform me of something he had heard from the Messenger of ALLAH (pbuh). He wrote me in reply: 'I heard the Messenger of ALLAH (pbuh) say on Friday evening... The Islamic religion will continue until The Hour has been established, or you have been ruled over by twelve caliphs - all of them being from the Quraish. I also heard him say, a small force of Muslims will capture the white palace - the palace of the Persian emperor or his descendants. I also heard him say: Before the Day of Judgment there will appear a number of imposters. You are to guard against them. I also heard him say: When ALLAH grants wealth to any one of you, he should first spend it on himself and his family, and then give it away in charity to the poor. I heard him also say: I will be your forerunner at the Cistern (expecting your arrival).' " - Hadith from Sahih Muslim  



    El-Hajj Mauri' Saalakhan

    Director of Operations

    The Peace And Justice Foundation


    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -

  • A question for all good Muslims on this page-

    If a person who claims to be a Muslim, will he remain  a Muslim after he calls for abrogation or rendering certain verses in the Quran as not applicable anymore and refer to the SURAS as redundant and obsolete? (Nausbillah) Such a Muslim is only someone in disguise of a Muslim or he is simply plain ignorant of the very basic qualification and faith needed to be a Muslim. I am not hinting that any Mullah should come out with a fatwa that such a person ceases to be a Muslim and to proclaim him as Kafir, The question is whether he ever was a Muslim? When He Never understood the simple tenets of Islam and repeatedly gave this blasphemous call of abrogating certain verses from the holy Quran which he feels are useless (Nausbillah). Well such a person is none other than Sultan Shahin editor of this site Newageislam.com, it is my sincere call to all Muslims on this site to ignore every  other discussion on this page for the time being and confront this Man Sultan Shahin and ask him to recall his blasphemous and anti Islam article available on this site or he should except that he is not at all a Muslim,  as he has been claiming all this while, I personally feel that any Muslim who read his article and moves on without raising a voice against it, is somewhere unintentionally becoming a part of  Sultan Shahin’s Blasphemous call for abrogating or declaring obsolete certain verses of the holy Quran. Quran Majeed is the word of ALLAH SwT and Flawless in all aspects just as ALLAH SwT himself and any MUSLIM who finds faults with the word of ALLAH SwT can be anyone but not a MUSLIM.


    By ASEF -

  • .. I'm sure there is little doubt that India is far better than most islamic states in most ways, that makes us think  why DAAWA needs to be extended to a group of people who are better than most of our peers in islamic state.. In my opinion true daawa is to be automatically manifested by our good conduct and positive behaviour towards things in our day to day life . Islam rests on the very foundation of MUAAMLAAT but sadly few people know about this aspect and most others continue to push islam like a bitter pill down the throats of people , at times at the points of AK47...

    I agree with the short note posted by Mrs. Kiran Majoomdar that these all idiosyncratic manifestations of Islam are because of Cracks in the very foundation of Islam..  I'm sure Islam which Ali's ideology envisiged was very very different than what khulfa-e-rashidoon implemented and since then there has been a continuous steep decline in the quality of Islamic ideology... The Numbers kept increasing but the quality kept deteriorating.. the end result is before all the world to see that ISLAM has become another name for TROUBLE and no sane person wants anything to o with this... if not antagonize they feel its better to steer clear of this sticky debate...

    POINT IS ARE WE READY TO REBUILD??...  if yes then start from the layer which developed cracks only then the issue can be solved.. offcourse we can not turn back wheel of time but at least let us be honest and agree in principle that ALI was the designated/ chosen one to shape the future of Islam... His son's were entrusted with the task of preserving this mostly at the cost of their lives..and they have unfailingly done that till this day.. that MAHDI ( the redeemer) will come from his family... this is the GOD'S WISH.. he chose Abraham and his progeny to carry his mission then why any honest person should object.. he is GOD... we are not supposed to object.. and not supposed to twist the events... This is high time when NO SUNNI - NO SHIA should exist and all merge into one strong body of Muslims to bring goodness to the mankind.. to fulfill the job of ASHRAFUL MAKHLOOKAT and this in my view is only possible after the muslims learn to realize and acknowledge their mistakes of past... let bygone be bygone ,we can not possibly change history but for our generation this will be enough that we realize which side the truth belongs to and subscribe to the teachings of that particular source... Is not it strange that we are not ready to buy adulterated milk or oil but how easily we allowed thieves to seve us our islam... The fault is not entirely of the people because a philosophy takes shape over centuries but unfortunately we mortals have an extremely limited time and before we understand anything we are already lying on our deathbeds the time allotted is truely too less to sort out things even inside ISLAM forget about dedicating time and energies to any other philosophy... ( All are inherently good, otherwise they would have simply perished by now as per the law of nature).. but Islam in itself is a complete DEEN so if one doesnot dare or find time to venture out and pursue truth then probably he can look in his own backyard and see that the present QILA of Islam is not standing on flawless foundations.. when foundations are not straight why cry about a disproportionate /ugly structure which islam has become to other nations......

    Please for God sake Read Ali bin Abi Talib ..follow Ahle Bayet for they are chosen by God.. donot enforce your personal will in way of God because such attempts are bound to be defeated and the person or agency doing this will be damned....

    Let qualified Consultants deal your case than letting each NEEM HAKEEM play with your lives/ faith and honour....

    By Traveller -

  • syeda kaneez sahiba...

    ab aap chod ke jaane ki dhamki mat deejiye.... main main hoon bechare sultan sahab ko is shak se bari kar dijiye...waise aapke neele font jab nahi dikhte to sachmuch ghurbat ka ehsas hone lagta hai

    By pervez -

  • Date:    Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:58:22 +0530 [11:58:22 AM IST]

    From:   ghulam muhammed  

    To:       sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>


    Subject: A running thread of deep saffron - By Christophe Jafferlot - The Indian Express



    A running thread of deep saffron

     Christophe Jaffrelot

    Posted: Jan 29, 2009 at 1107 hrs IST


    The people behind the Malegaon terrorist attack fell into three categories — Sangh parivar cadres, army men and old Savarkarites. The first person to be arrested by the police, Pragya Singh, was a sadhvi and former ABVP leader. A second group of the accused comprised army men, retired or not, related to the Bhonsle Military School (BMS). Major Ramesh Upadhyay, a former defence services officer was arrested first, but the key figure was Lt Col Prasad Purohit, who had approached Upadhyay when he was posted at Nasik as liaison officer. Purohit and Upadhyay imparted military training to young activists — including bomb making — and were instrumental in getting arms and explosives.

    Most of the training camps took place in the BMS, which had been directed by Rtd Major P.B. Kulkarni between 1973 and 1988, andwho had been associated with the RSS since 1935. In fact, the Bajrang Dal organised training camps in the BMS (Nagpur) as early as 2001. The five accused mentioned above were all members of Abhinav Bharat, a Pune-based movement initiated by Purohit in June 2006, whose working president was Ramesh Upadhyaya but whose president was none other than Himani Savarkar, V.D. Savarkar's daughter in law, who also headed the Hindu Mahasabha. 


    The people, the places and the modus operandi are revealing of the continuity that underlines the Hindu tradition of terror, harking back to V.D. Savarkar. The young, revolutionary Savarkar had created the first Abhinav Bharat Society in 1905. The movement drew its name and its inspiration from Mazzini's 'Young Italy', but was also influenced by Frost Thomas's Secret Societies of the European Revolution, a book dealing mostly with the Russian nihilists. The movement was dissolved in 1952, but ten years back, just before finishing his term as Hindu Mahasabha president, Savarkar had created the Hindu Rashtra Dal, another militia whose mission was to impart military training to the Hindus in order to fight the Muslims, Gandhi's followers and the Mahatma himself. This movement cashed in on the work of the same institution — the Bhonsle Military School, started in 1935 by B.S. Moonje, another Nagpur-based Savarkarite, after a European tour which had exposed him to Mussolini's Balilla movement.


    Like the Abhinav Bharat of today, the Hindu Rashtra Dal attracted Hindutva-minded Maharashtrian Brahmins — especially from Poona — who found the RSS insufficiently active. Some of them also had connections to the British Army.


    Nathuram Godse and N.D. Apte, the two main architects of Gandhi's assassination, are cases in point. Godse thought that RSS strategy contented itself with "organisation for the sake of organisation". The Hindu Rashtra Dal, by contrast, organised training camps where volunteers learnt how to manufacture bombs and use guns from bicycles and cars. The key instructor was N.D. Apte who had served the army as Assistant Technical Recruiting Officer. In this capacity, he could use the War Service Exhibitions — which were intended to attract young Indians to the army — to initiate Hindu Rashtra Dal members into the art of modern arms.


    The Hindu Rashtra Dal's terrorist agenda culminated in the assassination of Gandhi, who had already been a Savarkarite target before — in 1934, they threw a bomb in Poona Municipal Town Hall where Gandhi was making a speech against untouchability. 


    While today's Abhinav Bharat belongs to an old tradition harking back to Savarkar and even Tilak, the new element here lies in the implication of one serving officer of the Indian army. Certainly, any institution can have a black sheep. But was he that isolated? He has already named other officers who would have been his more or less passive accomplices and his colleague, Upadhyay, who once headed the <Mumbai unit of the BJP's ex-servicemen cell. The BJP, indeed, inducted ex-army men in large numbers since the 1990s. After the BJP came to power in 1998, two dozens ex-servicemen more joined the party. This inflow of ex-army men may reflect the increasingly communal atmosphere of the institution. In December 2003, a survey by the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies for Tehelka, one of the first among army men — and probably the most comprehensive — showed that 19 per cent of the soldiers interviewed felt that the army practised some religious discrimination — and 24 per cent of the Muslims among them shared this view.


    Instead of distancing itself from the Hindu terrorists, as it had done in the 1940s, this time the Sangh Parivar has decided to support the Malegaon accused. Bajrang Dal chief Prakash Sharma declared that "policy makers should be worried if the Hindus were taking to arms because of the government's skewed approach to war on terror" and admitted that the Bajrang Dal was running training camps too "to boost their morale [the Bajrang Dal's members]. The country wouldn't get its Abhinav Bindras if there were no armed training for the youth".


    In a way, the RSS, with the Bajrang Dal, has created a buffer organisation to handle the dirty work that the Sangh was earlier obliged to do itself — work similar to that of the Savarkarite organisations, whether they are called Hindu Rashtra Dal or Abhinav Bharat.


    The writer is a political scientist and South Asia specialist at CERI, Paris

    By Ghulam Muhammed -

  • Date:    Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:49:45 -0600 [02:19:45 PM IST]

    From:   Manoj Padhi

    To:       sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>

    Subject:            Re: Obama Must Prosecute Rumsfeld for War Crimes By Matthew Rothschild - January 27, 2009

     Since when Animal torture has become a crime ?

    Terrorists are considered Animals in India and when dogs get mad, we shoot them. Any amount of torture is permitted.
    Must read and forward links


    Hope, the following humorous letter written by Don Rumsfeld to a terrorist sympathizer will open your eyes..
    I endorse this and if you do , please send a brief comment..
    Taking Care of the Guantanamo Detainees
    A person wrote a letter to the White House complaining about the treatment of a captive taken during the Afghanistan war. Attached is a
    copy of a letter they received back:
    The White House
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, D.C. 20016
    Dear Concerned Citizen:
    Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of the Taliban and Al Qaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
    My administration takes these matters seriously, and your opinion was heard loud and clear here in Washington. You'll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens like you, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining Program, to be called the "Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers" program, or LARK for short. In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your personal care.
    Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence next Monday.
    Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of admonishment. It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers. We will conduct weekly inspections to
    ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommended in your letter. Ahmed's meal requirements are simple, but we strongly suggest serving meals that do not require utensils, particularly knives and forks.
    Also, these should be "one-handed" foods; Ahmed will not eat with his left hand since he uses that for personal matters. He generally bathes quarterly with the change of seasons, assuming that it rains, and he washes his clothes simultaneously. This should
    help with your water bill. Also, your new friend has a really bad case of body lice that hasn't been completely remedied. Please heed the large orange notice attached to your detainee's cage: "Does not play well with others."
    Although Ahmed is sociopathic and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will help him overcome these character flaws.
    Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences. He will bite you, given the chance, but his rabies test came back negative, so not to worry. We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling. Your adopted terrorist is
    extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We do not suggest that you ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him. Ahmed will not wish to interact with your wife or daughters (except sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property. However, he will be eager to assist with the education of your sons; have available for their use several copies of the Q'uran. Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like you, who know so much, keep us informed of the proper way to do our job. We think this watching over each other's shoulder is such a good way for people to interact that we will be sending a team of federal officials with expertise in your line of work to your place of business soon, just to help you do your job better. Don't be concerned that they have the power to close your business, seize your property, and arrest you for any violation of the 4,850,206 laws, codes,
    regulations and rules that apply to your profession. They're really there just to make sure you're doing everything the proper way. That is what you wanted, right?
    Well, thank you for this opportunity to interact with such a valued member of the citizenry. You take good care of Ahmed - and remember...we'll be watching.
    Cordially...Your Buddy, Don Rumsfeld
    On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:14 AM, ghulam.muhammed <<ghulam.muhammed@gmail.com> wrote:
    Obama Must Prosecute Rumsfeld for War Crimes
    By Matthew Rothschild, January 27, 2009
    If I were Donald Rumsfeld, and what a horrible thought that is, I wouldn't be traveling abroad any time soon. And I might be out looking for a disguise here at home.
    Because Rumsfeld stands before the world as an unindicted war criminal for ordering torture while he was Bush's Secretary of Defense.
    No less a figure that the UN's Special Rapporteur on Torture said on CNN Monday that "Rumsfeld clearly authorized torture methods." The Rapporteur, Manfred Nowak, said the United States has an "obligation" to investigate this, and he has passed his recommendation on to the United Nations.

     The smoking gun is a December 2, 2002, directive Rumsfeld issued that ordered sensory deprivation, stress positions, isolation, and the use of dogs on prisoners.
    He also admitted hiding at least one detainee from the Red Cross, which violates the Geneva Conventions.
    And, according to Seymour Hersh, he set up a Secret Access Program "that was given blanket advance approval to kill or capture." Summary executions constitute a war crime.
    Plus, he had "command responsibility" for those under him who were doing the torturing. If he knew about war crimes and did not try to stop them, he's also guilty of a war crime.
    "Rumsfeld was intimately involved with the interrogation of a Saudi detainee, Mohamed al-Qahtani, at Guantánamo in late 2002. General Geoffrey Miller, who later transferred many of his harsh interrogation techniques to Abu Ghraib, supervised the interrogation and gave Rumsfeld weekly updates on his progress. During a six-week period, al-Qahtani was stripped naked, forced to wear women's underwear on his head, denied bathroom access, threatened with dogs, forced to perform tricks while tethered to a dog leash, and subjected to sleep deprivation," <Marjorie Cohn reported for Alternet.

    The evidence against Rumsfeld has been on the table for years now.
    Back in 2005, <Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch said there was prima facie evidence that Rumsfeld was a war criminal.
    And Amnesty International said that if the United States didn't prosecute Rumsfeld, then foreign governments should. "If anyone suspected of involvement in the U.S. torture scandal visits or transits through foreign territories, governments could take legal steps to ensure that such individuals are investigated and charged with applicable crimes," Amnesty International USA said.
    More recently, the general who investigated Abu Ghraib concluded that the most senior Bush administration officials committed war crimes.
    "There is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes," Retired Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba wrote, in the preface to a report by Physicians for Human Rights last year. "The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."
    Taguba believes that Bush himself could be brought up on war crimes. "The Commander-in-Chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," <he said, in the preface to "Broken Laws, Broken Lives."
     Finally, the <Senate Armed Services Committee released a report late last year that implicated Rumsfeld in the abuse of detainees.
    "Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques for use at Guantanamo Bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse there," it said. He also "contributed to the use of abusive techniques, including military working dogs, forced nudity, and stress positions, in Afghanistan and Iraq."
    So why is this man allowed to walk free?
    To show that we're a country of laws, to show that we respect human rights, to show that we oppose torture, Barack Obama must instruct the Justice Department to prepare an indictment against Donald Rumsfeld.
    And failing that, it'll be up to some courageous foreign government to nab this fugitive from justice.

    By Manoj Padhi -

  • From    Ashok Chowgule

    To:       Sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>

    date     29 January 2009 15:26


    Understanding the Muslim Mind

    Author: Dr Omar Zia

    Publication: Islam Watch

    Date: January 29, 2009

    URL: http://www.islam-watch.org/Omar.Zia/Understanding-the-Muslim-Mind.htm

    29 Jan, 2009


    Continuing with my last topic of evolution, or lack thereof, in a Muslim mind, let me give you three real-life examples of how I observed Islam’s toxic effect on the mind of Muslims and how, in my view, they will effect the world around us in the foreseeable future.


    1.      Mind of a Sri Lankan Muslim


    Two years ago while travelling through Sri Lanka I befriended a taxi driver in Colombo.


    He was a young devout Muslim from a family of ten: two aged parents and eight grown-up children. He was the youngest member of the family born and bred in Sri Lanka. From my chats with him during several excursions in the city, I pieced together a detailed picture of the conditions and aspirations of Muslims in Sri Lanka.


    Muslims constituted only 7% of the population in Sri Lanka. This boy of 22 knew that. He told me in a meaningful way that non-Muslim Sri Lankans are too cautious when it comes to raising a family. They worry about the education and upbringing of their offspring too much; for that reason, birth-rate amongst non-Muslims is quite low. Muslims in Sri Lanka, on the other hand, believe that Allah will provide everything and do not care how many children they have. This boy was prophetic. Current Muslim population of Sri Lanka is listed as 9% according to many guide-books.


    Upon my enquiry as to how he got along with his non-Muslim neighbours, he praised them for their placidity and then complained that he found it quite annoying that Muslims had to take their cowardly neighbour religious sensitivity into account and slaughter animals hidden from the public eye. He assured me that as soon as Muslims were in ascendancy in his country, which, he was sure, would happen in his lifetime, one of the first laws to be passed will be sanctioning of slaughtering of animals in the open, like in any Muslim country. While visiting Hindu temples with me, he proudly informed me that Muslims never allow non-Muslim Sri Lankans to enter mosques, as they were unclean. He was also quite sure that if allowed, Muslims being the worthy fighters and jihadis, can sort out the Tamils within a very short time.


    In order to understand better the Muslim society in Sri Lanka, I even accepted his offer of a cuppa at his house towards the end of my stay.  All that I had heard from this young ‘time bomb’ proved absolutely certain. Indeed, the visit proved even more shocking: the rest of his family members appeared even more radicalized and angrier at their majority countrymen. I felt absolutely horrified at the prospect of what is in store for the affable, but oblivious to danger, non-Muslim Sri Lankans.


    2. Mind of my young, ambitious nephew


    On my last visit to Pakistan, my 18 year nephew visited me and implored to arrange a visa for him to go to England. He was close to completing his schooling but was quite despondent of his future prospects in Pakistan. I explained to him that even though I will endeavour to help him all I can, the final word would rest with the British consulate and it would be his academic records, which, in the end, would decide his fate. My motive was to inspire him to study harder as he seemed quite lacking in knowledge for his age. I also told him that he would have to supplement his studies in England with menial jobs. He seemed absolutely comfortable with that news.


    As I was once analyzing a disturbing verse from the Quran (9:29), he arrived. I decided to test him on his humanity and asked if he had ever read Quran. He proudly replied that he had, several times, but only in Arabic and therefore did not understand any of it. I explained the verse to him and asked for his thoughts on this fascist verse. Without any hesitation, he responded that he absolutely believes it is correct. Upon my flustered query as to how can he think of subjugating or killing his hosts in England, he replied to my astonishment that once Islam has overwhelmed England, this verse would become mandatory and Allah’s deed must be carried out. I couldn’t help but feel awed at the corrupting power of Islam.


    3. Mind of my educated, progressive, and nonreligious Muslim brother


    The third incident, which I wish to relate, came soon after the above incidence during a dinner chat with my progressive, highly educated and largely non-religious brother. I was lamenting to him at the Taliban’s tactics of usurping power in Pakistan. He coolly informed me that Taliban are good people except that they have interpreted Islam wrongly and all true Muslims harbour a Taliban within them. Much shocked at this statement, I asked him to show me what part Taliban had misinterpreted from the Quran. Noticing that he was attempting to change the subject, I persisted and asked him if he had read the Quran with the understanding of it meaning. Not surprisingly, the answer was a somewhat embarrassing "NO".


    After the dinner, I asked him to bring out his translated copy of the Quran. He did not possess one. What he luckily did have though was a functioning computer in his son’s room. I persuaded him to sit with me and I got out the verses which were being used, with proof and through their own mouth by Osama, Naik, Israr and many other unabashed fascist nuts. I showed him ahadees, which corroborated those verses from the Bukhari and Muslim collection. I could almost hear his Islamic world collapsing inside him and heard his heartbeat rising. I knew that I was very near to my goal of making him see the truth. It was just seconds away when all of a sudden he almost toppled the monitor and got up in a rage screaming that it was all western propaganda. He started an incoherent, and increasingly alarming, tirade against the Jews, the West and America and eventually blamed me for being an instrument in the hands of some Western think-tank. Suffice it to say that I left his house with a heavy heart that there is little no hope for a peaceable future for our globe.


    Dr. Omar Zia is a Pakistani-born ex-Muslim.

    By Ashok Chowgule -

  • Kind Attn:  SHAGUFTA alias Sultan Shahin

    don't hide and don't remove this message.
    Reference: http://newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1143
    Dear Mrs. Syeda Kaneez Fatima Rizvi, Aadaab                                                      shahgufta
    Were you a bull-fighter in one of your previous lifetimes, in Islamic Spain, maybe? The only thing that seems to interest you is a bull-fight. (Are your daughters laughing?) Mr. Sultan Shahin asked you a straight question. Please reply to that and enlighten us as all instead of beating about the bush as you did in the last post. We are all waiting. I am posting his questions below in case you have genuinely forgotten them in your preoccupation with evoking laughter to keep your daughters happy.
    " ……………..
    Anyway, please tell me if I have understood you correctly. It seems your point is that while these Quranic verses asking us to kill the kafirs wherever we find them are not applicable to us today but may become applicable some day in future, if such a situation as the one obtaining in Medina in the time of Prophet arose. If that is the case let us come out in the open and say so clearly, loudly and repeatedly that in the present time there is no reason for Osama bin Ladens and other Wahhabis to propagate the view that we Muslims have Quranic sanction for killing all non-Muslims as well as non-Wahhabi Muslims. Let us not mince words and let us not go about it in a round about way.
    This is no time for prevarication or using circumlocutions. We are at war. Parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan have already come under the control of Saudi-ised Taliban. The radicalisation of moderate mainstream Muslim societies like Indonesia and Malaysia is afoot. Even in India, where a mystical Islam reigned until recently, Saudis have bought large number of Mullahs and they are spreading a very intolerant version of Islam. As I keep saying we have no time to lose. I would appreciate from you a clarification of your views in the matter. You don’t have to be a Maulani to do that. This very institution of Maulanas is against the precepts of Islam and at the very least it is an innovation that we do not need to care much for. There is nothing between us and Allah except the Holy Quran and those Ahadees that we consider possibly valid and authentic." -- Sultan Shahin
    P.S. I liked your shagoofa bit, by the way. Coming up with new shagoofas is one way of staying shagufta. Won't you agree?
    But in this case, I am truly concerned and worried that even old ladies like you will not take these issues seriously enough to engage in a sombre and consistent conversation on the subject at a time when Muslims the world over are despised for these verses in the Quran. Do we have to abide by them even today as Osama bin Laden asks us to?  Is Jihad really the sixth pillar of Islam? What is wrong with us Muslims really? Is this the problem with our scripture or our own inability to see it valid only for the illiterate Bedouins of the Arab world in those days? Arabs themselves seem to be giving up on Islam, if hey were ever Muslims in the first place. Any people who could watch Imam Hussein RA being killed along with his family in the most brutal manner and then accept the killer as their khalifa/King could be anything but Muslim. They accepted Yazeed Lanati in the same way as they have embraced America and Israel today. And they say Shiiaan-e-Ali are out of Islam! What gall!
    Shagufta /Pervez /Sultan Shahin / Shamshad Elahi Ansari  the list of avatars is endless….
    Don’t you guys / gals think, that it is too much of a ‘Khichdi’ now,   the Ring master  did not pay heed to my earlier request about not trying to  feign anything …played the English teacher and unwittingly,  ridiculed himself , then assumed  the role of a concerned  Muslim with all the pain in his chest for the Umah,  again he got exposed, though refused to accept, as his enormous ego did not permit , in the course of the debate his sexists side was blatantly exposed,  again he desperately  tried to cover up, but failed utterly. What is the point when the ‘man himself’ concedes defeat in a debate and then bows down to his hurt ego, assumes a new avatar, repeats the same rigmarole and indulges in flag waving polemics to discuss the same rotten topics again. I think it’s high time for intellectuals and ordinary right thinking Muslims like myself to exit the non existent debate and the site it self. I take your leave with a good advice for the man of the house …If one makes oneself look like an Ass, at least he should have the courage to stand up like a man and accept it. Now if this happens with clear sign of repentance, I might change my opinion about the Mezbaan of the site and decide to remain and continue to enlighten with whatever little I know …..Till then, dive as deep as you can in your pool of religious ignorance.
    Nb …Wasails and Rasuk becomes useless when the curse of the Almighty comes. I am one God fearing being Alhamdollillah….and intend to remain this way.

    By On behalf of Mrs Kaneez fatima -

  • Chotey Bhai  Wsallam


    When did I deny that Rizvi is not my Surname? You never asked before? Yes blue is my favourite Color so why does it bother you? You already have my email Id, go through the profile, you will find my Husband’s name too. Remember my casual mention, when I said my entire family joins me in laughing aloud??? I am not alone neither are you….You have a small daughter to take care off, right?? And I have three daughters mashaAllah! To make them good Muslimahs.’ So how does all this changes any thing about your being misguided and blasphemous and my being patient with you.


    Nb: Chaliye aap khuch to achi baten seekh rahen hain meri nakal kar ke …Acha hai kisi WASILE ko to aap mante nahi  WASAIL sey hee kaam chala liye fil haal, Allah ne Chaha to shayed Wasile pe bhi eitiqaad aa jayega aapko. Aur apka bhi deen Mukkammal ho jayega.  Olfactory sense is still better than Guessing. If you are Missing Jamshed basha then invite him, send him a personal Invitation and then start missing me.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez fatima -

  • aapa salaam...

    na jaane kyon aapke naam me syeda prefix ke saath mujhe "rizvi" suffix lagane ko dil hota hai , tab jaake aapka radeef qafiya durust hoga...aur NEELE NEELE fonts ka bhi haq ada ho jayega . waise aapke pass to nahin lekin mere pass zaroor aise wasail maujood hain ke girgit ke rangon ko bila chashme ke dekh sakoon aur dekh bhi raha hoon..

    jamshed bechare ko to aapne pehle hi bhaga diya naraz karke... chidiyan abhi baith bhi nahin paatin aur yeh jhansi ki raani tope ke gole daagh deti hai..waise JAHANGIRI TOPE kki misaal ziyadah theek rahegi.. aapne suna to hoga topchi uske neecheek gehri khandak khod liya karte the, aur mashaal tode me dikhaate hi fauran neeche kood ke chhup jaate the KYONKE YEH PATA NAHIN HOTA THA KE TOPE KA MOONH KIDHAR GHOOM JAAYE, dushman to dushman apne bhi kahin kaam aa jaayein..


    By pervez -


    If we reverse the letters of ‘SATYAM’ it Becomes ‘MAYTAS’…..I tried doing the same with PERVEZ but it never became Sultan Shaheen,  stupid me Naahh

    To end all speculation and anxiety among the sexists on this site, about my Gender, I have to say this, If I am what I say I am, then all you nasty boys can look up to me as your elder sister and If you still doubt, then you regard me as your elder brother, I would not have any problems, as many bright daughters have proved more supportive to their parents than not so bright sons of this NewAge.


    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -


    Parvez janab,

    you are so obsessed by this avatar/virtual world just like the the editor of this site...btw,  the post below rings any bell? or you have forgotten about my olfactory sense already?

    "Jamshed basha  Alias Ayub Ansari...

    No matter how many skins you change Mr. Basha since you are from the nutfa of Yazeed Lanati you will always smell like a pig and people with actual faith and true Islam will always smell the likes of you, just as they smell the devil and would subsequently send Lanat on you, it is because of the foxes like you in Islam that there exist so many sects and factions in Islam and terrorism has become synonymous with the peacful religion Islam , there is a very special cell reserved for you in Jahennum and I send lanat on you and on all those whom you Wahabis worship. You are on my watch list and soon you would be reprimanded suitably for spreading hatred and inciting communal tension between communities and sects. And also conniving with a Pakistani and spitting venom against a particular peace loving Shiite sect here in India. Each and every word you have said here on new age Islam that would incite tension is on record with  sufficient proof of your impersonation as well.

    Picture abhi baaki hai yazeed laanati ke pujaari."

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -

  • Syeda kaneez sahiba salaam

    JAHIL ke salam ka bhi jawab diya jaata hai. !!!!   ya phir sultan sahab se uski shikayat aiyat aap na kartin.

    aapke bachao me aapka hi ek avtaar aa gaya hai jo mujhe PERVEJ naam ki gaali de chuka hai, atleast thank him afterall he is just a profile ( virtual world....).

    I'm not a pakistani as u say waise isse koi khaas farq nahi padna chahiye kyonke aap jaise imaan waalo ke liye to poori kayenaat hi apni hoti hai... pakistani to phir bhi bechare kumbh ke mele me bichhde bhai log hain.. itni nafrat kyon unse?  aamir mughal khasa padha likha aadmi mehsoos hota hai, haan zara lambi lambi post kardeta hai but still they are quite informative.


    jhansi ki raani ke khitab se mujhe qatai koi  parhez nahi hai, infact aapki shakhsiyat pe khasa jkanchta bhi hai,

    koi andaza hai ke aapne kitno ko jahannum raseed kar diya hai apne keyboard se fire karke.. shayad aapk bhi ginti yaad nahi hogi.. main usool-e-kaafi apne saath jehannum le jaaoon? !! par woh to aapki kifalat me hua karti hai...to kya saath chalen? !....  lekin main to sar ke bal jaoonga aap kaise chalengi/ chalenge ?!..

    but seriously ! don't you think this usoole kaafi thing needs clarification?

    By pervez -

  • @ Parwej
    Tum Pakistani kasmiri ho, ya kewal Pakistani ho, ya Talibani ho,  Jo bhi ho Apni ‘Amma ko merey Abba ka salaam kahna’.
    Kaneez ji aap in atankwadiyon ki baton ko Ignore mariye,  aur na in girey huwe  logon se dariyega. Inka jihad to mai inki ***** Iss desh ne Razia Sulatana avum Rani Jhansi jaise betian jani hai, ye anpadh ganwar kya jaane. Jai hind

    By [Asli Hindustani Musalman] -

  • Pervez janab ???


    Mujhe ye to hamsha se elm tha ki zyaada tarr Pakistani Musalman jahil hote hain, duniyabi eitebar se bhi aur mazhabi eitbar se bhi, per aap jaise jahil hotey hain ye aapki uth patang guftugu sun ke pata chala…aapko apki jehalat mabrook!!  Aapka haath urdu me bhi tang hai, English me aur zyada  tang hai,  aur imaan aapka udti patang hai aise insaan ko koyee kya samjha sakta hai?? Aap jayen aur apne dost Amir Moghul ke saath   Terror / Terror kheliye,  masoomo ka khoon bahaiye  aur Jannat ke gumaan me Jahennum me  sarr ke ball dakhil ho jaieye. Aur han apni usul-e-kaafi le jana matt bhuliyega please.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -

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