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Islam and Science (29 Nov 2011 NewAgeIslam.Com)



Darwinism is Consistent with Qur’anic Insights on Man’s Origin

 

 

 

 

By Muhammad Yunus, NewAgeIslam.com

 (Joint Author), Essential Message of Islam, Amana Publications, USA, 2009

In response to the reported boycotting of Biology classes by mostly Muslim students in UK.

In the early centuries of Islam, the Muslims sourced knowledge from all over the world. Scholars from distant lands gravitated to Baghdad, which thus became the knowledge capital of the world. This enabled Islam to make phenomenal advancement in diverse fields of knowledge. The Abbasid Caliphs, notably al-Ma'mun (813-833) established the House of Wisdom (bait al hikmah) that was equipped with observatories and became an unrivalled centre of learning for the era. It undertook a massive translation exercise lasting many decades and translated into Arabic, the ancient Greek and Hellenic works such as those of Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, Hippocrates, Plotinus, Galen, and others, which were later retranslated from Arabic into European languages. It also pooled the best brains from the farthest regions of Islamic world that spanned from the recesses of China to Spain - regardless of their religion, and harnessed their collective talents and made phenomenal advancement in diverse fields of knowledge - notably, mathematics, astronomy, medicine, alchemy, chemistry, botany, zoology, geography and cartography. The knowledge thus accumulated served as the springboard for Renaissance – an uncontested historical reality that hardly needs any elaboration. It is therefore most regrettable, shameful and disgusting that more than a millennium later this day, the Muslim students in UK are boycotting Biology classes as the Darwinism allegedly is not consistent with the Qur’an.

The irony is compounded by the fact that their said assertion itself is in conflict with the Qur’anic message. That is to say, the classical Evolution theory pioneered by Charles Darwin is not outside the broad spectrum of the Qur’an’s creative insights. No doubt, as is well known, the Qur’an speaks of the creation of Adam and Eve in the primordial plane in several places, but it also features clear verses listed below that are in complete harmony with Darwinism.

“He is the One who created you (khalaqnakum) from clay (tin) (inorganic matter), then decreed a term, and there is a determined term with Him. Yet you remain doubtful” (6:2).

“He is the One who created (khalaqa) human being from water and established for him relations of blood and marriage...” (25:54).

“What’s wrong with you: you do not contemplate the glory of God (71:13), who created you (khalaqnakum) in stages (atwara) (71:14).

“... He (caused) you to grow (ansha-akum) from the earth (ard) and settled you in it...” (11:61).

“Don’t those who deny (God) see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (before), and We split them apart? We made (ja‘alna) every living thing from water. Won’t they still believe” (21:30).

“God evolved you (ambatakum) from the earth as a living organism (nabata) (71:17); then He will return you into it, and raise you again” (71:18).

The truth is, the Qur’an does not restrict itself to a monolithic model of creation. Thus, apart from 1) the populist Creational and 2) the above patently evolutionary models, the Qur’an also offers other insights into God’s creative scheme.

An evolutionary process (Embryonic development) in a woman’s uterus:

“Surely We created (khalaqna) man from an extract of clay (tin, inorganic matter) (23:12). We then placed him as a drop (of semen) in a secured resting place (23:13). We then transformed the drop into a clot and We transformed the clot into a chewed (lump of) flesh, and We transformed this chewed (lump of) flesh into bones, and We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We caused to grow (ansha-ana) into another creature from it. So blessed be God, the Best of Creators” (23:14).

“O people, if you are in doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you (khalaqnakum) from dust (turab), then from a drop (of semen), then from a clot, then from a chewed (lump of) flesh, formed and unformed, that We may manifest (Our Power) to you; and We keep those We wish in the wombs for a determined term, then We bring you out as babies and then you (grow and) reach your prime…” (22:5).

“…He creates you (yakhluqukum) in your mother’s womb - transformation after transformation, within three (veils of) darkness…” (39:6).

Creation of man and woman from an integrated single self (nafs)

 “He is the One who caused you to grow (ansha-akum) from a single self (nafs) and (gave you) a habitation and a repository. Thus We elaborate the Signs for a people who (are keen to) understand” (6:98).

“He made for you (ja‘ala lakum), of yourselves, spouses (azwaj), and made you children and descendants from your spouses and provided you with good provisions …” (16:72).

“And among His signs is that He has created for you (khalaqa lakum), of yourselves spouses (azwaj), that you may have tranquility and relief in them,…” (30:21)

“O People! We have created you (khalaqnakum) as male and female, and made you into races …” (49:13).  

“He is the One who created (khalaqa) the spouses (zaujain) – male and female” (53:44).

“Was he not a drop (of semen) discharged (75:37) And then a clot that God created (khalaqa) and proportioned (fasauwa) (38). And made from it spouses (zaujain) – male and female” (75:39). 

It is worth noting that this Qur’anic reflection presents male and female sexes as co-equals in creation hierarchy and purports to deprive the male sex of the anthropological privilege traditionally accorded to him,    

Conclusion: The Qur’an’s divergent insights into the creation/evolution of man, mixing the abstruse and the corporeal, the abstract and the scientific make it amply clear that it has not been the object of the Qur’an to unravel the mystery of man’s creation. Conceivably, the Qur’an’s chief concern has been to tell humans of their role and responsibilities on earth and their unique position in the creation, and to warn them of their innate infirmities and ultimate accountability to God. By any stretch of imagination, it is not a textbook on biology or any other branch of physical sciences or field of knowledge. Hence, the UK Muslim students’ boycotting of Biology class as it teaches Darwinism is doubly ironical. First they are dividing knowledge between Qur’an-compatible and Qur’an-incompatible – a division that was never applied in early Islam and is antithetic to Islamic message – as God alone is the fountainhead of all knowledge – a theme discussed in detail in a recent write up:

http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamicShariaLaws_1.aspx?ArticleID=5961

Secondly, and more shamefully because they are being utterly ignorant of the broader dimensions of the Qur’anic message! It is hoped that sense will prevail upon them before the academic authorities are forced to take any disciplinary action as their boycotting of classes is unquestionably subversive of academic discipline, though a greater reckoning may await them in a higher plane for their utter ignorance of a book they hold divine and inviolable but unlawfully and childishly use as a pretext for causing confusion (Fitnah).

The transliteration of critical Qur’anic words is given in the rendition of listed verses to bring across the consistency of Qur’anic diction for any inquisitive reader to reflect on the precise connotations of each key words (verb form): khalaqa, ja‘ala, ansha-a, ambata, fasauwa, lest an uninitiated reader may charge the Qur’an of being ‘a wearisome, confused jumble, crude, incondite, endless irritation, long windedness, entanglement, insupportable stupidity in short.’ [1]   

Note:

1.  These are the words of Thomas Carlyle, who otherwise held Muhammad (PBUH) in a high esteem and declared him ‘The Hero as Prophet.’ – Karen Armstrong, Muhammad – A Western Attempt to Understand Islam, London, 1991. p. 38.

Muhammad Yunus, a Chemical Engineering graduate from Indian Institute of Technology, and a retired corporate executive has been engaged in an in-depth study of the Qur’an since early 90’s, focusing on its core message. He has co-authored the referred exegetic work, which received the approval of al-Azhar al-Sharif, Cairo in 2002, and following restructuring and refinement was endorsed and authenticated by Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl of UCLA, and published by Amana Publications, Maryland, USA, 2009.

URL: http://www.newageislam.com/islam-and-science/darwinism-is-consistent-with-qur’anic-insights-on-man’s-origin/d/6022

 




TOTAL COMMENTS:-   36


  • Rational Sb: Wa Alaikum assalam! I am not in favour of comparing religious teachings with scientific facts - Geo-centric or heliocentric etc.
    By Raihan Nezami - 3/12/2013 3:40:33 AM



  • @Rational, I have commented and my comment is pretty much the same as yours. If Mr Ghaus replies then I will try to restrict myself to comment here.
    By Aiman Reyaz - 3/11/2013 11:59:58 PM



  • Dear Rehan Nezami. Assalam Alaikum
    What do you say the Quran supports what? Geo-centric or heliocentric or nothing or mute?


    By rational - 3/11/2013 11:42:47 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghauss, I agree scientists have different views on many hypothesis but on established facts.
    Tell me how many scientists have issued fatwas against each other on their differences. How many scientists were killed by other scientists because they had different views. Scientist Abdus Salam a faithful person was not even ridiculed by the scientists. He was awarded for his contribution to the science. Muslims have declared him and his community kafir.
    Dear Ghulam Ghauss I know very well what is taught by so called Islamic teachers in the name of the science. I am afraid to say you are one of them.
    All space programs, communication satellites, Weather satellites and polar satellites are launched based on heliocentric model. Calculations are made on this model not on Geo-centric model.
    Can you ask any authority(Aalim) of the Quran to make calculations to launch a satellite into the orbit based on the Quranic cosmology.
    Quranic/geo-centric cosmology is not verified by any method, it is merely a jumbled hypothesis forwarded by scientifically illiterate Aalims.
    Can you find the Newtons laws of the motion in the Quranic verses?
    Quran must be verified by the science not the science by the Quran.
    There is no science in any religious books. Neither it is a subject matter of the religious books.
    All backward societies in the science find pride in the religious books because they have nothing to offer.
    By rational - 3/11/2013 9:30:40 PM



  • Dear Aiman Reyaz - 3/10/2013 10:22:37 PM I fully agree with you . We can discuss it in the Science and Islam thread.
    Let's wait for Ghulam Ghauss saheb's reply.

    By rational - 3/10/2013 11:07:14 PM



  • Dear Mohammed Yunus saheb
    Thanks for your response. These Ahadith and some verses makes the Islamic science. No scientific method is involved. God said so it must be a fact. The prophet said so it must be a fact.
    Its mean you neither found Geo-centric nor heliocentric cosmology in the Quran. But our learned man find Geo-centric cosmology as a fact in the Quran.
    You have praised one man called Adnan Octar for his scientific achievements. He is similar one. This is the most profitable business. If you can make  Muslims happy you will earn fame and wealth.

    That much I wanted to know. Do you know the reason why you attract few Muslims to you? I have given the reasons in one of my comments. Muslims are happy only when they are fed with supremacy of their beliefs. Rest is rubbish, a propaganda of the enemies of the Islam.
    I am almost certain there is no possibility of scientific temperament in the Muslim community till they believe they have science in the Quran and science. The learned man is sure just because his peer said so. That much is the level of scientific approach.
    Do one experiment. Tell a Muslim (not badmazhab) about any scientifically accepted fact in any field. There must be a mulla(shaved or bearded) also. The aql of that Muslim will accept the fact, but if Mulla says it is against the Quran and Hadith, you can recite Sure Fatiha on his demise of his aql.

    Muslims will not use contraceptive for family planning because it is against  the Islam, but will go for abortion, Which is detrimental for the health of the female.

    I must suppose there is nothing bad in it. It may be as per Allah's plan.
    Thanks once again for prompt response.


    By rational - 2/21/2013 11:30:04 PM



  • Dear Rational, The following extract from the chapter on Qur’anic glimpses of natural phenomenon may hopefully answer your question:
    “The Qur’an is alive with reflections on the beauty and harmony of nature and on its relationship with life as part of its ontological debate. These reflections are in the form of statements, which capture the laws of the cosmos in expansive open ways that captivate and beguile us by their beauty, majesty and accuracy. Thus for example, the following Qur’anic observations are picturesque and imaginative, and at the same time clearly indicative of the axial and the orbital rotations of heavenly bodies that science discovered many centuries later.
    Merging (yulij) of the night into the day and vice versa (31:29).1
    Overlapping (yukawwir) of the night into the day and vice versa (39:5).
    The incapability of the night to outstrip (sabiq) the day, and all (the heavenly bodies) floating in an orbit (falak) (21:33).2
    Drawing of the night (as a veil) (yughshi) over the day, which it pursues ceaselessly (7:54).
    The sun and the moon being constant (dai’bayn) in their courses (14:33).”
    However, when the Qur’an refers to a human being’s (Dhul Qarnain, Abraham) observation of the phenomenon implicit in your question, it uses the vocabulary you will use today while watching sunset from a sea beach.
    As to issue of science that was in a primitive stage in the era, it asks humanity to use reason:
    “In the creation of the heavens and the earth, (in) the alternation of night and day, (in) the ships that sail the ocean for the benefit of humanity, (in) the water which God sends down from the sky with which it enlivens the earth after its death and spreads out all kinds of creatures on it, (and in) the coursing of the winds and the clouds, compelled between the sky and the earth, are indeed signs for a people who use their reason” (2:164).
    Those who want to rely on hadith can quote the following from Sahih al-Bukhari that captures the notions that were prevalent in the early centuries of Islam:
    “Acc.421/Vol.4. "Narrated Abu Dhar: The Prophet asked me at sunset: `Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?' I replied, `Allah and His Messenger know better.' He said: `It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course, but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come..."
    As you, with your depth of knowledge must know that the hadith merely represents the views of the people of its era – that has been outdated for many centuries.
    By muhammad yunus - 2/21/2013 10:12:59 PM



  • Dear Mohammed Yunus.
    May I request you to express your views on Geo-centric and hello-centric cosmology models.
    Our brother Mr Ghulam Ghauss using the Quran is telling that the earth is stationary. His peer Aala Hazrat has proved it by citing the Quran. Many Muslim scholars are proving heliocentric cosmology again using the same Quran.
    Though I am fine with the
    heliocentric because it is used in all satellite launching and space missions for calculations. Entire space missions are working based on this model.
    So you are requested to put your views. How do you see it? Is Grand Mufti Ibn Baaz right in his fatwa against the heliocentric model.
    By rational - 2/21/2013 10:44:39 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghauss
    Perhaps you are busy somewhere else. Please respond whenever you have time. I am waiting ...............

    By rational - 2/21/2013 3:56:26 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghauss. Thanks a lot for introducing me to Scientific Genius Mohtram Aala Hz Raza Brailvi RA.
    I am putting it in the section "Islam and Science"

                  FAUZ-E-MUBEEN
    FAUZ-E-MUBEEN
    DAR RADD-EHARKAT-
    E- ZAMEEN
    A FAIR SUCCESS
    REFUTING
    MOTION OF EARTH
    Allah, in the name of, the most affectionate and the merciful. Physics is the most fundamental science concerned, with the basic principles Universe. It is one of the
    foundations on which the other physical sciences like Astronomy Chemistry and Geology (earth science) are based.
    Regarding Physics, Mechanics is of vital importance from all disciplines. It is highly successful in describing the motion of material bodies, such as Planets, Rockets and based.
    Famous firsts in Earth theory
    Regarding earth theory, the famous firsts are:
    1.Nicolas Copernicus (1473-1542) Poland
    2.Galileo Galilee (1564-1642)
    Italian Physicist & Astronomer
    3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) German Astronomer
    4. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
    English Physicist & Mathematician
    5. Albert Einstein (1879-1955) German Physicist
    6. Alahazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Bareilvi (1856-1921) Muslim Scientist the Asian Physicist, Astronomer, Mathematician, Philosopher, Psychologist, Elegant Jurist of the Muslim World, a poet and renowned Scholar of the Islamic Sciences.
    4
    Galileo formulated the laws that govern the motion of objects in free fall. He investigated the motion of an object on an inclined Plane and established the concept of relative motion.
    According to Isaac Newton, the gravitation is the intrinsic property of matter that every particle of matter attracts every other particle with a force that is directly
    proportional to the product of their masses and is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. According to Einstein theory, space time is curved
    especially locally near massive bodies. This theory doesn’t tell us about the force of gravity acting on the bodies, instead we say bodies and light rays move along geodesics (equivalent to straight lines in plane geometry) in curved space time. Thus a body at rest or moving slowly near the great mass would follow a geodesic toward that body rather than force of gravity.
    According to Imam Ahmad Raza, the Islamic theory (based on Quran and Hadith) explains that earth is static. In favour of his theory, Imam Ahmad Ran has
    written treatises like:
    • Nuzool-i-Ayat-i-Furqan Besukoon-i-Zameen-o-Aasman, 1919.
    • Mueen-i-Mubin Bahar Daur-i- Shamas-o-Sukoon-i-Zameen, 1919
    (Eng.trans: A fair guide on the revolving sun and the static earth)
    • Fauz-i-Mubin Dar Radd-i-Harkat-i-Zameen,1919.
    In his first treatise, Imam Ahmad Raza has discussed earth theory in the light of Qur’an and Hadith that earth and sky are static by coding several verses from
    the Holy Quran.
    In his second treatise, lmam Ahmad Ran has elaborated that sun is in motion while earth is static based on astronomical observations and calculations. Most probably, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the renowned Physicist and Atomic Scientist of the Muslim World has appreciated the arguments of Imam Ahmad Raza regarding motion of
    sun.(ref: Mujalla Imam Ahmad Raza. In his treatise “Fauz-i-Mubin” Imam Ahmad Raza has not only proved that earth is static with 105 argumentations in the light of Modern Physics, but also criticized the ideas of renowned scientists like, Copernicus,
    Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Albert Einstein. In his book “Fauz-i-Mubin” lmam Ahmad Rant has discussed various scientific spheres of knowledge including Physics,
    Chemistry, Geology, Astronomy and Astrology, Mathematics, Logarithm covering the topics of Planetary motion in the orbits and the Physical mechanics like
    attractive and repulsive forces, Centripetal force, Centrifugal force, friction coefficient, projectile motion, relative velocity, circular speed, buoyant force, density
    & pressure, structure of earth, theory of tides and distance from the sun, along with dozens of geometric diagram representations with Algebric, logarithmic and mathematical calculations.
    Conclusion:-
    According to Modem Physics, the rest and motion are not absolute but are relative. Also, the rest and motion depend on the observer and its frame of reference. As we are on the earth, so earth is static with respect to us which favor argumentations of static theory of Imam Ahmad Raza.
    It is interesting to note that Imam Ahmad Raza is the first Muslim scientist of the 20th century who made rich creative scientific contributions regarding Modern Physics like static theory of earth.

    For me this Forward is enough.
    Before proceeding into this forward I request you to tell " Do you really believe in this work of Aala Hazrat? This question is to make sure what is your stand on the Science. Do you really believe the earth is static because the Imam Saheb has proved it by the Quran.
    He is not alone many Muslims think so. There is fatwa also of grand Mufti Ibn Baaz on the rotation and revolution of the Earth.
    I will give my comments later.
    By rational - 2/20/2013 6:19:10 AM



  • Mr Mohd Yunus, ( I think there are several people by this name, but I am adressing the one who is conversing with Mr Haque)

    I do not think you are badly educated, from the comments I have seen so far. In fact, you think much more rationally than many others on this site, and you ask the right questions and have the right doubts. If you ever get a chance, do read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. It is a controversial book for believers of all faiths, but it raises the same questions.

    By secular logic - 7/13/2012 2:47:12 AM



  • Respected Manzoorul HaqueSahib., Thanks for your answer. There are many persons on this site who have different opinions about existence or non-existence of God. I cant repent if God is not willing to do so. I cant ask for guidance if He is not giving Taufeeq.
    You are free not to give any answer. I am free to comment. Whatever you have read in  my comments is the product of  intolerance of majority of Muslim brothers. What mr Mohammad Yunus (1) presents from the Quran is entirely different what majority of Muslims believe and act.
    I had been reading articles of all kinds of Muslims (Aalims and common man) and non-Muslims (Aethist, Mushriks etc) on religion and science. It is Muslims who label others as Mushriks, kafir, Fasiq, Bidati, Whabi etc.
    If you are satisfied with your kind of understanding, be happy.
    Justice cant be delivered if  it depends on wishes of Judge. Judge is bound to deliver justice even if his heart feeling otherwise. Whole judiciary will collapse if this happens. Now God is highest Judge how can he deliver justice arbitrarily.
    At one place God says He will reward or punish based on individual's actions. Absolutely fine.
    At other place He says He has prepared hell for jins and ins. This makes clear some of people (jins and ins) are bound to go to hell. This is a small part of Taqdeer.
    I am not after your Iman. Stay happy with your Iman.  Nobody is forcing you to answer.  Best wishes. I will continue to comment.
    By mohd yunus - 7/13/2012 12:46:11 AM



  • Mohraram Janab Mr. Mohd yunus saheb,
    • Here are my replies to you , which i hope will clear your misgivings. However, before that let me make it clear to all those who read this website, the reason why i have to reply you at all. This is not to impress you and some others but to counter the adverse effect of the message that some of you want to spread against islam - because i have a stake in islam and in being a muslim. You might be thinking that i was supposed to give a sure shot formula to go to heaven and my inability to give you that formula to your satisfaction somehow necessitates the destruction of my ideology, which islam is, or the destruction of the identity of muslims to which i belong. But i beg to contest this position. The atheists , the munafiqs, and the renegades, have a choice to quietly retreat out of the company of muslims since the existence of one all-powerful god does not satisfy them. But actually, they create a spectacle ‘in the company of muslims by insulting and challenging their beliefs on grounds about which they are themselves not sure. For example, they also do not have an answer as to how this creation of world is and why this creation of world is. Well we muslims never ask atheists questions on these issues. We just leave their company. Are we entitled to this or not? This has been my question all along. I reiterate i have not undertaken to produce god before you. We do say something about god amongst ourselves - if it satisfies you fine, if it does not you can walk out. If you say you are an atheist, i am the first person to walk out on you without the need for any discussion with you.
    • Does not Quran say:“punishes whom He pleases and He forgives whom He pleases.” You are throwing responsibility of guidance on people contrary to Quran. Is this a justice?
    • There are two parts. He punishes whom he pleases. He has made rules that he will punish such and such types of transgressors. Based on this principle we humans are not entitled to force his hands to punish the apparent transgressors. It is in the absolute powers of god that he may not punish and thus come to the second part that he may forgive. This statement should generally give us hope and an understanding that though for our own guidance the rules of transgression are manifest, but these rules cannot become a ‘stick’ for controlling other’s behavior. Only appeal in the name of god is permissible- that is ‘dawah’ work. However, for each individual the accountability vis-à-vis god is full – because the individual has been given free-will by god. 
    • It is not me who hold illiterate or less educated people inferior. My parents are not educated. They are good in many things as normal people. In some matter they are far better than me.
    • I guess your parents were able to have faith even though not educated, and that answers your own objection made earlier against god for not making all human beings highly educated to be able to understand quran and hadiths. Your problem is not from not understanding but from your inability to apply your free-will to believe in your creator – and for this you alone are responsible, and not god. Else, you can approach him with tauba and even seek his guidance to help you start believing to your satisfaction. However, he may not guide you unless you seek his guidance. This, to my understanding is the scheme of life.
    • 
    • Where is the difference between man and God? Do you not read "Allahu samad" in Quran
    • 
    • The difference between god and man is enormous. It is so enormous that our brains are not designed to fully comprehend it and so we can make only vague and unintelligible sounds to convey the idea of god. Seeking crystal-clarity in understanding god, will make the difference smaller and situation contradictory.
    • Are good deeds monopoly of God believing people. If I do good acts and is humble, honest kind etc but fails to believe in God will be punished.
    • Even believing is not the monopoly of any persons. Today you are a non-believer, tomorrow you can become a believer. In fact today you are a believer, tomorrow you can become non-believer. It is entirely up to you i.e. up to your free-will. If you ask my personal opinion, which i have written earlier on this website, a doubting tom is not a kafir - that is denier of god. It is only active canvasser against god that he becomes a denier, and then it seems likely that god almighty will punish him, though we are nobody to say which specific person qualifies for this honor in the eyes of god.
    • Please educate me on this matter. You will be blessed by God if he will desire so.
    • This statement of yours, which is not very clearly expressed , has two aspects. It is not beyond the capacity of god to help you out of the uncertainties of life in which he has placed you leaving you with your free will and guidance with which also you could have saved yourself. The second aspect is to convey to someone like me that i should not be disappointed to see someone like you going astray, and i should keep doing my job of spreading good word and not hold myself guilty or responsible for your acts, because it was within powers of god to guide you if he so willed. He has thus taken upon himself my burden of guilt if any. This stance was actually meant for prophets or those who had passionately taken upon themselves to preach good words – as far as i can understand.
    • 
    • Please let me know whether you believe in Taqdeer or not? Whether Iman is part of Taqdeer or not?
    • Of course not, if you are talking in the sense of his final destiny. Please read my article “existence vs. Non-existence’ on this website. Yes, i believe that god is rahman and raheem, so he takes time out to withdraw you from the vagaries of your own doing or your bad luck - if you pray to him. Even if he does not decide (and please don’t ask me why. I can’t even tell you why a clerk in an office does a thing what he does. God’s mind is simply beyond me at least) to intervene and help you in this world, he has promised to reward you if you just hold on to goodness – the more difficult your position, the less it is expected of you, and the greater is
    • The reward.
    • 
    So it is GOD who enjoys playing with his best creation. Are you serious? Looking people burning in hell is enjoyment for God. God is subjected to joy and sorrow. God will enjoy it. This the attribute of God!
    • 
    • I am afraid this will be a bit difficult to understand. You are thinking of god as an equal. I have told you that these crystal-clear juvenile words may not be suitable to discuss god’s stature. You have to enter into the vagueness of philosophy. Try reading this that i have copied from an essay:
    • 
    • [cosmic play. Chaos and order are the fundamental frames that bisociate and generate novelty throughout the cosmos. Chaos breaks open the boundaries created by order so that frames spill into and bisociate with one another. Play is integral to an evolving cosmos. And, while some of these boundary crossings may appear rigidly rule bound and mechanical, especially at the atomic, chemical, molecular, and genetic level, the degree of freedom, spontaneity, and playfulness increases with the increase in the complexity of the organism. What we think of as playfulness in animals is actually the articulation and enhancement of the intrinsic playfulness of the cosmos. While this is, indeed, a rule-bound universe, within the rules, as within any game, the play ensues. If the rules and order become too restrictive, trickster chaos stirs things up, disrupting the status quo, and revitalizing the play. Play requires both boundaries (order) and the impulse to cross them (chaos). When chaos and order are balanced we find highly sensitive, flexible, cosmic erogenous zones filled with exquisite play—dynamic spiral galaxies that give birth to planets and planets in which liquid water offers the universal play bow to life, which responds by bursting into a billion forms of play.
    •  in Hinduism, for example, play is an essential part of the cosmology, the play of shakti and shiva constituting and permeating all of existence. In such cultures, anthropologist david handelman tells us, “qualities of play are integral to the operation of the cosmos. To be in play is to reproduce the time and again the very premises that inform the existence of this kind of cosmos.” ]
    • 
    • Best wishes and i am closing this discussion due to lack of time.
    By Manzoorul Haque - 7/12/2012 2:51:49 PM



  • @mohd yunus.

    As Manzoorul Huq Saheb painstakingly explained, the scholars / ulama down the centuries have interpreted the Qur'anic message based on the prevalent notions of their era. The various interpretations in the ahadith are accordingly informed by the world view of that era in which the ahadith evolved. It was an era when human mind was dominated by fables and myths and scientific knowledge as we have today was non-existant. Therefore if you try to understand the Qur'an in light of Hadith, you will only get the understanding that was relevant for that era. But we are at least a thousand years away. So how do you understand the Qur'an?

    Take Yusuf Ali’s or any standard translation. Look up the verse 3:7. It asks you to focus only on those verses which you clearly understand and which relate to your living realities. Bear in mind these Qur’an’s rejoinders:   

    1.      It is a book of wisdom (10:1, 31:2, 43:4, 44:4).

    2.      It is made clear and distinct (12:1, 15:1, 16:64, 26:2, 27:1, 36:69, 43:2, 44:2)  with all kinds of illustrations (17:89, 18:54, 30:58, 39:27).

    3.      It guides humanity and brings it ‘out of darkness into light’ – an idiomatic expression that connotes social, moral and ethical reform;  

    4.      Its mission was “to lift from humanity the burdens and shackles that were upon them from before” (7:157).

    5.      It declares its own completion and perfection before the close of the revelation (5:3).

    6.      It claims to be its own best interpretation (25:33).

    7.      It asks you to seek the best meaning in it (39:18,39:55).

    8.      Approach it with a pure heart (56:79)

    With this at the back of your mind, read any standard back to back, at least twice.

    A short cut would be to read my distillation of the juz ‘amm (Sura 78-114) posted on the website and all the Medinite verses.

    At the end of the exercise you have a fairly good idea of what the Qur’an expects of you.

    A still shorter way will be to read my articles, which is based on the interpretation of the Qur’an following the above regime. You will be able to cover different facets of the Qur’anic message from its own vocabulary and internal illustrations and cross references in a distilled and structured way as in a text book.   


    By muhammad yunus (1) - 7/12/2012 10:55:45 AM



  • Respected Manzoorul Haque Sahib, I read your comments. So it is GOD who enjoys playing with his best creation. Are you serious ? Looking people burning in hell is enjoyment for God. God is subjected to joy and sorrow. Where is the difference between man and God? Do you not read "Allahu samad" in Quran
    Are good deeds monopoly of God believing people. If I do good acts and is humble, honest kind etc but fails to believe in God will be punished. God will enjoy it. This the attribute of God!
    Guidance:

    Qur’an 32:13
    Sahih International

    And if we had willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me will come into effect [that] “I will surely fill Hell with jinn and people all together.

    Does not Quran say:“punishes whom He pleases and He forgives whom He pleases.”  You are throwing responsibility of guidance on people contrary to Quran
    Is this a justice? It is not me who hold illiterate or less educated people inferior.  My parents are not educated. They are good in many things as normal people. In some matter they are far better than me.
    Please let me know whether you believe in Taqdeer or not? Whether Iman is part of Taqdeer or not ?
    Please educate me on this matter. You will be blessed by God if he will desire so.


    By mohd yunus - 7/12/2012 3:21:37 AM



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