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Demolish Kafir/ Mushrik/ Munafiq-Manufacturing Factories, Says Sultan Shahin, Defending New Age Islam against Talibani Onslaught




Sultan Shahin, editor, New Age Islam



Dear Mr. Yousaf,

 

This site is not about me and I am not the only writer, though I would like to write more. Unfortunately running a site is a rather demanding job, more demanding than I had thought when I started it. This is a platform for all Muslims to participate in discussions on any subject relevant to the state of Islam or Muslims. I do indeed consider myself a forward-looking person and find it fruitless to live in the past and engage in mostly pointless discussions about the dirty Arab politics of the past. For me, the definition of a Muslim is simply any one who says, just says, - for we have no right to speculate about his or her motives and there is no way we can divine his or her intentions – that God is one and Mohammad (PBUH) is His prophet. So, as you can see, I do have a rather individualistic view of things, but as an editor, I never try to impose these views. Yes, these views maybe affecting my choice of the articles I print and the subjects I raise for debate. But the reader is absolutely free to comment within the bounds of decency. Some readers cross this boundary and sometimes I find it difficult to delete offensive expressions like “Lanati” and “Yazid ke aulad”, etc. as they are interspersed in the thoughts of those readers. I truly suffer from a horror of censorship, though, that may become necessary in some cases, but only to remove offensive, unseemly language.

 

By the way, I learned these offending expressions only on the site. It shows the depth of hatred we carry in our hearts against one another. If the believers in Allah and followers of Prophet Mohammad are not safe from us and our sectarian mean-spiritedness, what can followers of previous prophets like Hindus, Biddhists, Jains, Christians, Jews, etc. expect from us? With what face do we indeed go to them and claim to be followers of a religion of peace and forgiveness, amity and total surrender to the Almighty. 

 

Coming back, if you have an issue with any views expressed by any writers, you are free to take them up and if your views are censored you my have legitimate cause for complaint. God has not appointed you a commissar, however, as far as I know, and you should be a bit careful in calling people kafir or munafiq, etc. This merely shows that you have no arguments. You might be displeasing Allah too by doing so. For He alone is the Judge. Even the Prophet never called the munafiqeen abusive names, never restricted them from prayers and even participated in the funeral prayers for the salvation of the soul of the chief munafiq. All this when Allah had warned him about them and the Prophet knew they were harming the religion at a very crucial point in its history, actually in its infancy, when even its survival may have appeared difficult to some.

 

As far as the Muslims of today are concerned, we may have our own ideas about who is a kafir or a munafiq or whatever but we shouldn’t be expressing them as this only makes us a kafir or a munafiq. It is for God to judge. Not you. Don’t assume divine powers, please, even if you think, you are gifted with a third eye and can divine people’s intentions and  motivations just by going through their editorial work.

 

I do even publish the views of people I disagree with, not too often, of course, but occasionally I do give representation to people whom I consider having obscurantist and fundamentalist views as well. Only recently I went to the extent of getting translated from Urdu an article I thought defended fundamentalism and obscurantism rather well, just so people like you do not feel left out on the site. Please see:

 

In Defence of Islamic Fundamentalism - Maulana Nadeem-Ul-Wajedi

http://www.newageislam.com/radical-islamism-and-jihad/in-defence-of-islamic-fundamentalism---maulana-nadeem-ul-wajedi/d/1099


 You are welcome to suggest any well-written, well-argued articles that go against the basic thrust of the site and I will carry that. In fact in the comments section of most articles you must have found more retrogressive views than progressive. The reason is not difficult to see. As a community we are more reactionary and obscurantist that positive and progressive. We live in fear and denial. There is noting wrong with us; it’s all Jewish conspiracy, Hindu conspiracy, Western imperialist conspiracy, etc. etc. We love living in the past, in the land of pointlessness. So our discussions too are not so much about issues of today as about the bygone past. We revel in discussing ad infinitum the dirty politics of seventh century Arabia and taking sides with one or the other party. We have no present and no plans for the future. As a community, that is. Some individuals, of course, do have plans for themselves as well as for the community and a vision of regeneration for Islam and the Muslim community. But they are reviled for thinking of this word rather than the other world where 72 houris are waiting for them in a land of milk and honey and of course, plenty of liquor. (In the case of poor women, of course, only their husbands, if any, would be waiting there, and yet some of them become suicide bombers, for some reason.)

 

So, Mr. Yousaf, pick up a pen, well, more likely a keyboard and enlighten us with your views on the issues covered on the site. You can even write in defence of Talibani/Jihadi brutality or against Muslim girl’s education, in defence of beard as most vital Islamic institution, whatever, and the site will not deny you space. You will find a lot of applause too. New Age Islam has many readers who express their retrogressive, reactionary views regularly. As I told you before I learned several terms of Islamic abuse on the site. We welcome both those who call Dr Zakir Nayak a kafir and those who warn against the kafir-manufacturing factories rampant in Muslim lands. You will find here people who call Yazid Lanati (accursed) and also those who call him Rahmatullah Alaih, both arguing and contesting each others’ points of view fiercely. Personally I would like to demolish all kafir/Mushrik/Munafiq-manufacturing factories. I consider them highly offensive and completely against the Islamic ethos. But as they constitute a significant and influential section of the community, I do not even deny them space. So welcome, Mr. Yousaf. Just remember, New Age Islam is not about me; it is about you. I am merely a moderator in the discussions. I do give you subjects to discuss, but you as free to add your own subjects, as many readers do. As for my Imaan, let Allah judge that; think a little about yourself.

 

Sultan Shahin, editor, New Age Islam

http://www.newageislam.com/ijtihad,-rethinking-islam/demolish-kafir/-mushrik/-munafiq-manufacturing-factories,-says-sultan-shahin,-defending-new-age-islam-against-talibani-onslaught/d/1143

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 yousaf

20/2009 8:32:05 PM

 

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Mr. Sultan Shahin

 

Suddenly I came across your website. since then in last three four days I have gone through it and these are my comments

You write a Muslim name and pretend to be as such as your website name suggest, but let me tell you that in the time of holy prophet there were certain people who by face pretended to be Muslims where as actually they were not. These were the people who had extreme hatred for the religion but they were cowards, greedy, mischief-mongers, followers of Satan. They were called munafiqs or munafiqeen. They had no moral guts to show their true faces. About them ALMIGHTY ALLAH says in holy book that they will be in the worst and deepest part of hell. So I have no doubt about you. you are like a hungry and lusty Dog to acquire the world by your this deceit nature. I do not have a doubt that you are not a Muslim but at the same time I don’t know who are you and what is your mission. as it seems that like a Hindu about whom it is said that ' munh mein Ram Ram aur baghal mein churi" means "Say Ram Ram from the mouth while hiding knife under his arm to stab you when get an opportunity. I can assure you people with deceit nature have no respect in any religion or any society.

 

URL: http://www.newageislam.com/ijtihad,-rethinking-islam/demolish-kafir/-mushrik/-munafiq-manufacturing-factories,-says-sultan-shahin,-defending-new-age-islam-against-talibani-onslaught/d/1143

 




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  • Thanks very much indeed for your compliments. May God bless you! The venom in the debates on NewAgeIslam.com has surprised me as much as it has shocked you. This is merely indicative of the venom in the community. Our sojourn in the land of pointlessness. It probably explains why we are gradually becoming irrelevant to the world, even as it tries hard to destroy us and our faith by using people from within us.  (Sultan Shaheen)  (The hidden hypocrite in defence of exposed  THIEF Jamshed Basha)

     

    @ Sultan Shaheen....the hidden Hypocrite

    The real ring Master ...Editor NewageIslam.com.....You are an hypocrite par excellence ...you sit over the venom spitting stolen article by Jamshed Basha  for months and when you see the hits to NewageIslam.com is dwindling  due to your own dirty habit of posting messages under different names came to be known by all,  you suddenly decide to post the stolen article by Jamshed Basha...and further promote your  actual profession of a ring master ...to excite passions and then enjoy the mudslinging, name callings,  then  from time to time you blow the whistle, and pretend to play the role of good God fearing Muslim ...come out in the open and this time under your real Name Sultan Shaheen and shout at the top of your voice hey! Hey! All you Muslims don’t fight don’t fight.....Your character reminds me of the Mean and scheming Bullies when I was in Junior  School who use to cook stories and make even friends fight, and then try to become good in the eyes of the school administration by pretending to be the good guy, You are like Muslims who run a liquor shop and never forget to remind Muslims that consumption of liquor is prohibited in Islam,  But here you are forgetting that unlike the School administration,  Allah swt  Knows all that transpires in the heart of one’s heart and Hypocrites are ones whom Allah swt look down upon and has  reserved a special place in hell for them.

    You claim to be a good Muslim...and sometime back,  like an Idiot or an Ignorant fool,  you called for abrogation or declaring obsolete certain verses from the Holy Quran  Nauzbillah’ (Lanat Bhejtin Hun Mai tumhare jaise Musalmano pe jo Quran ki AYAT me hee fer badal ki soch sakte hain)

    Earlier you ridiculed and chided about the Babri Masjid demolition ...yet you have the face of calling yourself a Muslim.....Shame on you sultan Shaheen for vacillating between Faith and Ignorance all for vested interests.

    Ps: Allah swt is hidden from our vision the Prophet pbuh Introduced us to the Supreme Being, and we took his word for it, The same Prophet Pbuh Introduced us to the gift of ‘IMAMAT’  from  the supreme being and again we took his word for it. Only those unfortunate among us do not see the truth, whose vision is either blocked by the devil or those who are too concerned and engrossed in their worldly profits, such as Sultan Shaheen and other hypocrites. Who really have no faith to call as their own they, just pretend from time to time, as it suits their purpose.


    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Jahan ham rahte hain Yahan Wahabiyon Ke Muh Pe Ham thuukna bhi nahi Pasand Karte Hain. Aur Ahle Baet ke Dushmano ke Chehron ko Ham bait-ul-khala samajhte hain,  kya karen unke muh se BadBoo hee aisee aati hai. Aur chehron pe unke Fitkaar hee itni hoti hai jaise saari kaynaat ki laanat unke saarapey me uttar aayee ho, ye ek jeeta jaagta maujeza hai ki ek bhi Waahabi ke chehre pe nur ya fir sharafat nahi jhalakti hai. [Tabrez Ali From Jaunpur]

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    Why dont the India Muslims [particularly the followers of Ahl Al Bayt Model of Iran and Khomeini] protest over this Pro Yazeedi - Wahabi - Saudi Policy of the Indian Government. Indian Muslims [particularly the Followers of Ahl Al Bayt] should hold protest rallies against the following Indian Policy:

    I wonder if you [if you are an Indian Citizen] would approve this policy of India?

    What the HELL THIS WAHHAABI KING DOING IN INDIA? And even hoped that India became an Observer member of OIC as well 

    2006 News Story 


    King Abdullah receives a warm welcome in India 01/26/2006

    http://www.saudiembassy.net/2006News/News/NewsDetail.asp?cIndex=5900

    OIC: Saudi king hopes Pakistan will sponsor India by Our Correspondent

    January 23, 2006

    http://www.dawn.com/2006/01/23/top11.htm

    Saudi Investment in India

             From January 1991 to 2004, Government has approved 26,588 foreign collaboration (technical & financial) proposals with a corresponding foreign direct investment of Rs. 2,497.18 crore (US $ 67.15) billion and Cumulative inflows of FDI during 1991-2004 (up to November) is Rs. 131,387 Crore (US $ 32.15) billion.

    The tables given below indicate the year-wise figures of foreign Investment approved with Saudi Arabian companies since 1991.

    (* Updated up to November 2004)  

    (Inflow is 9.22% of the FDI approved)     

    The Industry-wise break-up of foreign direct investment and technical collaboration approved for Saudi Arabian companies during 01.08.1991 to 30.11.2004 is at Annex. I.

    Details of FDI cases approved for Saudi Arabia during 01.08.1991 to 30.11.2004 is at Annex-II.  

    Note: Imports figures for 200-2001 onwards do not include import of Petroleum Products (27100093) and Curde Oil (27090000)

    Source: Directorate General of Foreign Trade, Ministry of Commerce & Industry,Government of India.

     Trade between India and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (From 1999 to 2007)

    List of Indian Companies Participated in Saudi Arabia’s International Trade Fair, Jeddah, May 15-19, 2005 

    http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/COMM/bilateral/Indian%20comp%20in%20tradefairs.htm

    List of Saudi Companies/ Government Departments participated in the “Saudi Arabia in India” Exhibition

    New Delhi, January 21-26, 2006. 

     

    http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/COMM/bilateral/Saudi%20comp%20in%20tradefairs.htm


    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Please excuse me for copy/paste but I sincerely feel that I should share this with all the good readers out there.....

     

     

     

    THE PEACE AND JUSTICE FOUNDATION

    11006 Veirs Mill Rd, STE L-15, PMB 298

    Silver Spring, MD. 20902

     

    Saffar 1430 AH

    (February 1, 2009)

     

     

    Assalaamu Alaikum

    (Greetings of Peace):

     

    This year, 1430 AH (2009 CE) marks the 30th anniversary of the Islamic Republic of Iran. It pleases me to share with our readers a letter to the leader of this nation, from the elected leader of another nation that has been under a brutal occupation for the past six decades! As I've stated in the past, in my humble opinion, no contemporary nation-state has given more support to the Palestinian people than Iran. (And this is one of the reasons why Iran is the TARGET that it is.)

     

    I believe that despite all of its mistakes and imperfections, ALLAH Ta'ala has protected this nation because of the integrity that it has consistently strived for (generally speaking) as an Islamic nation. In the year 1408 A.H. (1988 C.E.), I wrote a poetic tribute to Iran, which in large part celebrated the intense struggle that it was still going through. The imposed war - between Iran and Iraq - had entered it final stage, and enemies from within were assassinating some of its leading scholars. By the Grace and Mercy of ALLAH, it weathered these diverse storms and arrived to where it is today. 

     

    On this occasion, I will give a slight update to the poetic tribute written years ago; with a prayer on my lips that ALLAH continues to bless this nation to be a fountain of hope and inspiration for the Ummah of the last divinely sent Messenger and Prophet to all humanity, Mohammed ibn Abdullah (peace and blessings be upon him), and for humanity as a whole. Ameen.  

     

     

    WE SALUTE YOU

     

    They take your young, your old, and the learned among you

    In a futile attempt to take your freedom

    They have not yet learned the lesson that

    A true Muslim is no man's slave

    Oh, but you will teach them

    And for this

     

    We salute you!

     

    They sought to abort your destiny before the time of your deliverance

    And still you were born. And your birth provided

    The downtrodden, destitute masses

    With needed relief, renewed faith

    And hope for the future

    And for this

     

    We salute you!

     

    When you were born they predicted your early demise

    Infanticide would surely take its course for

    An impudent child who refuses

    The prepared formula of

    Alliances based on

    Expediency

     

    With the unsanctioned, yet blessed cry:

    Neither East, Nor West, only Islam!

    How could it live? Oh, but you have

    Your Nourisher and Sustainer

    Has blessed you to Survive!

    And for this

     

    We Salute You!

     

    They think of you as an illegitimate child of history

    An accident of circumstance, never meant to be

    But these are creatures without faith,

    And thus they cannot see

     

    That you were not an accident of history, nor mere confluence of events

    But the manifestation of divine will and prophecy

    Why can't they see this? Have they no sense!

     

    They try to take away your freedom, thru enemies concealed

    In the cloak of Islam, throwing away untold millions in

    Monetary resources, while continuing to feed the

    Ever-flowing, unquenchable river of

    Blood!

     

    (How unfortunate they don't seem to realize, we must all one day answer for what we have done!)

     

    Despite the attempts to deny you your faith through unrelenting sectarian intrigues

    You've remained a constant and dutiful proponent of

    The noble quest for Oneness

    Islamic Unity!

     

    In light of the many positive achievements you've accrued

    Despite all of your enemy's plans

    On the occasion of this!!!  

    Your 30th Anniversary!

     

    We Salute You, Islamic Republic of Iran! 

     

     

    On the authority of Amir ibn Sa'd ibn Abu Waqqas: "I wrote a letter to Jabir ibn Samura and sent it to him through my servant Nafi, asking him to inform me of something he had heard from the Messenger of ALLAH (pbuh). He wrote me in reply: 'I heard the Messenger of ALLAH (pbuh) say on Friday evening... The Islamic religion will continue until The Hour has been established, or you have been ruled over by twelve caliphs - all of them being from the Quraish. I also heard him say, a small force of Muslims will capture the white palace - the palace of the Persian emperor or his descendants. I also heard him say: Before the Day of Judgment there will appear a number of imposters. You are to guard against them. I also heard him say: When ALLAH grants wealth to any one of you, he should first spend it on himself and his family, and then give it away in charity to the poor. I heard him also say: I will be your forerunner at the Cistern (expecting your arrival).' " - Hadith from Sahih Muslim  

     

     

    El-Hajj Mauri' Saalakhan

    Director of Operations

    The Peace And Justice Foundation

     

     

     


    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Amir Moghul Tu Baaki tamaan Pakistaniyo ki Tarah Gaay ka Gosht Kha Kha ke adhaa pagal ho chuka hai, Gaay ka gosht kaahne waale neem Pagal ho jaate hain per tu, Jahkki Pan ki Saari haden paar kar chukaa hai, Lanat hai terrey Yazidee Wajud pe, aur Talibaani Soch pe, Jahan ham rahte hain Yahan Wahabiyon Ke Muh Pe Ham thuukna bhi nahi Pasand Karte Hain. Aur Ahle Baet ke Dushmano ke Chehron ko Ham bait-ul-khala samajhte hain,  kya karen unke muh se BadBoo hee aisee aati hai. Aur chehron pe unke Fitkaar hee itni hoti hai jaise saari kaynaat ki laanat unke saarapey me uttar aayee ho, ye ek jeeta jaagta maujeza hai ki ek bhi Waahabi ke chehre pe nur ya fir sharafat nahi jhalakti hai.


    By TABREZ ALI FROM JAUNPUR -



  • IRAN'S FIRST DOMESTIC SATELLITE IN ORBIT- Times of India news-5th Feb.2009

    Dear Mughal sahab Does this news give you happiness over the fact that Iran becomes the first Islamic country of 1.5 billion muslims to enter the elite space club represented by less than a dozen powerful and capable countries of the world?...In case you did not know Iran is FULLY capable of making indigenous Fighter jets more advanced than F-16s for which the entire subcontinent is standing in que before USA  for decades...!infact they have a well developed fleet of indigenously produced ultra-sophiscticated jets.. *** This all is achieved within 30 years of (your friend) khomeini's gifted revolution...what a gift ??!!! boy...!!now tell me ....a"Are the world muslims ready to follow AHLE-BAYET MODEL for their emancipation??... godsake nowdon't say NO....... [Traveller]

    Jahan ham rahte hain Yahan Wahabiyon Ke Muh Pe Ham thuukna bhi nahi Pasand Karte Hain. Aur Ahle Baet ke Dushmano ke Chehron ko Ham bait-ul-khala samajhte hain,  kya karen unke muh se BadBoo hee aisee aati hai. Aur chehron pe unke Fitkaar hee itni hoti hai jaise saari kaynaat ki laanat unke saarapey me uttar aayee ho, ye ek jeeta jaagta maujeza hai ki ek bhi Waahabi ke chehre pe nur ya fir sharafat nahi jhalakti hai. [Tabrez Ali From Jaunpur]

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    Dear Tabrez Sahab and Mr Travller,

    Why dont the India Muslims [particularly the followers of Ahl Al Bayt Model of Iran and Khomeini] protest over this Pro Yazeedi - Wahabi - Saudi Policy of the Indian Government. Indian Muslims [particularly the Followers of Ahl Al Bayt] should hold protest rallies against the following Indian Policy:

    I wonder if you [if you are an Indian Citizen] would approve this policy of India?

    What the HELL THIS WAHHAABI KING DOING IN INDIA? And even hoped that India became an Observer member of OIC as well 

    2006 News Story 


    King Abdullah receives a warm welcome in India 01/26/2006

    http://www.saudiembassy.net/2006News/News/NewsDetail.asp?cIndex=5900

    Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz is currently on a state visit to India, the first such visit by a Saudi king in more than 50 years. The visit aims to expand energy cooperation and trade relations with India, one of Asia’s fastest growing economies.  

     

    Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh broke protocol by personally receiving King Abdullah at the airport January 22, a sign of how much importance India attaches to the royal visit, the Arab News reported. King Abdullah was also the guest of honor at India’s Republic Day celebrations in New Delhi today. 

     

             

    King Abdullah, Prime Minister Singh and President Abdul Kalam at National Day 

    King Abdullah and the Prime Minister held official talks yesterday after a ceremonial reception at the presidential palace, which included a 21-gun salute.

    King Abdullah and Prime Minister Singh 

                 

    The talks focused on long-term security cooperation, including fighting terrorism, international crime and energy security.

    The two nations signed a number of agreements, including a Memorandum of Understanding on fighting terrorism, an accord to avoid double-taxation, and a convention to promote bilateral investment.

     

     

    Following their meeting, King Abdullah and the Prime Minister opened a Saudi business exhibition, where Saudi and Indian businessmen signed 10 economic agreements. Yesterday evening, King Abdullah met with Indian President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam at the presidential palace in New Delhi. In remarks, the King offered his thanks for the warm reception, and expressed optimism that his visit to India would be a vital step towards closer cooperation between the two nations.

     

    “India’s economic growth has attracted world attention. We are happy that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will be one of India's major trade partners,” King Abdullah said.

    “Moreover, the Kingdom is also happy to host more than 1.5 million Indians who are contributing to the progress, development and prosperity of the two countries.”

     

     

          

     

    King Abdullah and President Abdul Kalam

    King Abdullah also expressed the hope that India would continue its supporting international efforts to achieve a fair and comprehensive resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.   Speaking to Saudi reporters in New Delhi Monday, Indian Minister of State for External Affairs E. Ahamed described King Abdullah’s visit as “important and historic.” He said India attached great importance to the visit, which would further strengthen longstanding relations between India and Saudi Arabia, the Arab News reported.

     

    King Abdullah discusses trade in India

           

     Oil Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar said that India would extend an offer to Saudi Aramco to collaborate on a Hindustan Petroleum refinery project in Visakhapatnam in India’s southern Andhra Pradesh region. Aiyar also said he hopes to discuss bilateral issues with Saudi Oil Minister Ali Al-Naimi, who is part of King Abdullah’s delegation.

     


    “The issue of hydrocarbon cooperation is also a component of bilateral talks that are going to be held between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and the Saudi king,” Aiyar said, as quoted in the Arab News. “So far as the oil component of our energy security is concerned, we have a strong assurance from Saudi Arabia that any incremental requirement will be met by them,” he said. Aiyar also said that a 26 percent dependence on Saudi Arabia is optimal and that now there is a need to diversify oil sources. Saudi Arabia accounts for nearly a quarter of India’s total oil imports, which amount to around 1.9 million barrels per day.

     In an interview with India’s NDTV channel over the weekend, King Abdullah discussed bilateral relations between the two countries, as well as a number of regional and international issues of common interest, including energy and terrorism. The King underscored the friendly relations between Saudi Arabia and India, and said that he hopes India and Pakistan resolve their differences peacefully. Everything can be achieved through dialogue, he said.       

     

    King Abdullah at ceremonial reception

    He also said he believes India can play a role in the Organization of the Islamic Conference, possibly as an observer, like Russia. On oil, King Abdullah said that Saudi Arabia has the capability to meet the petroleum needs of India and other countries. He remarked that the Kingdom prefers lower oil prices because higher prices are not in the interest of developing countries. In the interview, King Abdullah also said that Saudi Arabia’s friendly relations with China and India would not affect its good relations with the United States, which has been a friend of the Kingdom for over 60 years.  In addition, he stressed Saudi Arabia’s staunch opposition to terrorism.

     

    OIC: Saudi king hopes Pakistan will sponsor India by Our Correspondent

    January 23, 2006

    http://www.dawn.com/2006/01/23/top11.htm


    NEW DELHI, Jan 22: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has expressed the hope that Pakistan would sponsor India’s membership as an observer of the OIC even as he called on the two countries to resolve their differences. In a rare interview to India’s NDTV news channel King Abdullah did not name Kashmir as the dispute but left no doubt that he was seriously concerned about the issue. “I do believe that India can play a role in such an organisation, just like Russia does. Russia has an observer status in the Organisation of Islamic Conference and I believe that it will be very beneficial if the application of India could be put forth by a country such as Pakistan,” said the king.

    Asked whether his country’s ties with Pakistan had impeded relations with India, the monarch said: “You are correct. The issue of Pakistan has had an impact on Saudi-India relations. I believe that the conflict that exists, the complication that exists, do not help the image of either country.” He said Pakistan is a “brotherly country and friendly country with which we have great ties.”

    On the other hand, he said, India is a friendly country with which the kingdom has historic ties. “There is no doubt that the relationship of Saudi Arabia with Pakistan is a great relationship.”

    He said Saudi Arabia was not funding terrorism directly or indirectly against India or any other country through its funds in Pakistan.

    About his present visit to China, he said ties with China and India were not to come about at the expense of the United States its old ally and solid friend.

    Hinting at a deeper partnership with India, King Abdullah admitted that current oil prices were too high and thus hurting developing countries. He said Saudi Arabia had the ability to meet any requirement that India may have for its energy security.

    “We want to strengthen the link between India and Saudi Arabia with regards to energy and the ability to provide energy to India over the long term. From our perspective I personally feel that the current price of oil is too high.

    “The price is damaging to developing countries who subsequently have to suffer. The price needs to be at a more moderate level. With regards to the export of crude oil to India, we would like to provide India’s requirement of energy in the future,” he said.

    He also said he would like to move ahead with reforms in all areas, such as women’s rights. But he felt his country needed to be ready for this.

    The king will arrive in New Delhi on Jan 24 and will be the chief guest at the Republic Day celebrations.


     

    If you are an Indian Citizen [i.e. A Largest Democracy in the World] than use your constitutional right and protest against the Wahhaabi Investment in India!

    Minus Bahrain every country in the list below is Wahhaabi i.e. Salafi i.e. Ahl-e-Hadith. Where are the Super Powers of Nizamuddin Awliya and Moinuddin Chishti and all such Sufis [lying dead for centuries in India] to invoke the same and stop these Rampant Wahhaabis from entering India with their Filthy Investment?????

    Saudi Investment in India

             From January 1991 to 2004, Government has approved 26,588 foreign collaboration (technical & financial) proposals with a corresponding foreign direct investment of Rs. 2,497.18 crore (US $ 67.15) billion and Cumulative inflows of FDI during 1991-2004 (up to November) is Rs. 131,387 Crore (US $ 32.15) billion.

    The tables given below indicate the year-wise figures of foreign Investment approved with Saudi Arabian companies since 1991.

    (* Updated up to November 2004)  

    (Inflow is 9.22% of the FDI approved)     

           The Industry-wise break-up of foreign direct investment and technical collaboration approved for Saudi Arabian companies during 01.08.1991 to 30.11.2004 is at Annex. I.

            Details of FDI cases approved for Saudi Arabia during 01.08.1991 to 30.11.2004 is at Annex-II.  

    India-GCC Trade

    Note: Imports figures for 200-2001 onwards do not include import of Petroleum Products (27100093) and Curde Oil (27090000)

    Source: Directorate General of Foreign Trade, Ministry of Commerce & Industry,Government of India.

     

    Trade between India and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

    (From 1999 to 2007)

    List of Indian Companies Participated in Saudi Arabia’s

    International Trade Fair, Jeddah, May 15-19, 2005 

    http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/COMM/bilateral/Indian%20comp%20in%20tradefairs.htm

    List of Saudi Companies/ Government Departments participated in the

    “Saudi Arabia in India” Exhibition

    New Delhi, January 21-26, 2006. 

     

    http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/COMM/bilateral/Saudi%20comp%20in%20tradefairs.htm

     


    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Anwar Haque


    Bismiallah Hir Rehman Nir Raheem

    Assalamo Alaikum.

    Insha Allah I will reply in detail. However let me say very candidly that these so called Taliban are brian child of CIA and Mossad and RAW. 9/11 was an israeli act, pure and simple. Enemies of Islam kill two birds by one stone. 1st commit terrorism yourself and blame on Islam. Despite all your propagenda, truth shines. Only hypocrites will buy your arguments and cooked evidences. It was Hindus who made Pakistan. Whenever a chance was given them they tried to totally dominate and arranged widespread slaughter of Muslims. This even led to perosn like Jinnah who was not "relegious" to leave congress. Muslims in India are less than 3% in Government jobs despit their percentage of 23.Muslims are not so backward as you think. They have to find out to throw away Dummies put on their heads by Satanic forces. As soon as they do they will be the leaders in sceinces again Insha Allah
       


    By Anwar Haque -



  • Amir Moghul Tu Baaki tamaan Pakistaniyo ki Tarah Gaay ka Gosht Kha Kha ke adhaa pagal ho chuka hai, Gaay ka gosht kaahne waale neem Pagal ho jaate hain per tu, Jahkki Pan ki Saari haden paar kar chukaa hai, Lanat hai terrey Yazidee Wajud pe, aur Talibaani Soch pe, Jahan ham rahte hain Yahan Wahabiyon Ke Muh Pe Ham thuukna bhi nahi Pasand Karte Hain. Aur Ahle Baet ke Dushmano ke Chehron ko Ham bait-ul-khala samajhte hain,  kya karen unke muh se BadBoo hee aisee aati hai. Aur chehron pe unke Fitkaar hee itni hoti hai jaise saari kaynaat ki laanat unke saarapey me uttar aayee ho, ye ek jeeta jaagta maujeza hai ki ek bhi Waahabi ke chehre pe nur ya fir sharafat nahi jhalakti hai.


    By TABREZ ALI FROM JAUNPUR -




  • qalan bab

    BismillahirRahmanirraheem
    Asalam Alaikum
     
    Please donot send me this non-sense.
    I am not interested in pro-jew-hanood-media-BS.
     
    I am a muslim and i don't want your posts which clearly degrade and target Islamic

    beliefs. You my friend, are too much conditioned and blinded by media.
     
    You need a re-education in the subjects of subliminals, mind conditioning and mind

    control tactics. then you'll be able to see the non-sense in these posts.
     
    No offence meant. No reply/response needed.
    Best Wishes
    Asalam Alaikum


    By qalan bab -



  • Maine to Gaaliyan Yazeed aur Muawia dono ke liye hee nikaali, Magar jaan ke beinteha lutf aaya ki sab ka  eiteraaz sirf Muawia ko gaali nikaalne pe aayaa,  Yazeed ke bachao me koyee bhi Musalman aage nahi aayaa, Yaani ke aap sabhi maantey hain ki Yazeed Paleed wo sab kuch hai jo ki maine likha tha? badaa hee ******......... Maafi chahunga magar Iblees ko Iblees kahna gaali nahi, AQEEDA HAI  bass har ek bande ka andaaz e bayan mukhtalif hota hai. [Tabrez Ali From Jaunpur]

    ==============================

    Dear Tabrez Sahab,

    For your kind perusal,

    Please solve this riddle as to why Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and his Ahl Al Bayt gave their daughters for marriage in Banu Ummayya and in Aal-e-Marwan and that too after the Tragedy of Karbala:

    how would you define Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and his Ahl Al Bayt's Marriages within the Clan of Ummayads and Marwan and that after Karbala and Siffin. You quote History to condemn all and sundry and I quote History to praise all of them, if the History's text is good for condemning the Companions of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] then why the same History is not good which narrates the facts mentioned below!

    If Muawiya was so bad then why Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar - May Allah be pleased with him [Cousin of Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali, Bibi Zainab's Husband and Yazeed's Father in Law, Abdullah bin Jafer's daughter Umme  Mohammad was Yazeed's wife] had named his son on Hazrat Muawiya i.e. Muwaiyah Bin Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar. A son of Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib [May Allah be pleased with him] was named Yazeed. Abdullah Bin Jafer's grandson's name was Yazeed. [Shia References - Tanqeeh Al Maqal, Muntahi Al Maqal - these Shia books carry names of those narrators who were named Muwiyah [41 persons], and Yazeed [124 persons]. If Muwaiyah was such a bad name then why Ahl Al Bayt give their daughters in Banu Ummayya for  marriage.

    Shia and Sunni Sources on Hasnain's acceptance of Muawiyah's Khilafa:

    [Akhbar Al Tawal Al Denwary page 234, Tabari Page 62 Volume 6, Al Imama Wal Siyasa page 173, Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 4 published in Najaf]

    Hazrat Muawiya [May Allah be pleased with him]'s Excellent Treatment with Hasan and Hussain [May Allah be pleased with both of them]:

    Hussain used to go with Hasan to meet Muawiyah in Damascus and at one stance Muawiyah gifted 2 Million Dirham to both and at another ocassion he gifted Hazrat Hasan 4 Million Dirham [Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir Page 150 and Page 127 Volume 8] This narration is confirmed by Ibn Abi Al Hadid (Mutazilli Shia) in his translation of Nehjul Balagha page 823 Volume 2] and this further confirmed by Extremist Shias like Abu Mikhnaf in his book Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 7].

    Note: Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf is a book by Abu Mikhnaf specially written on Karbala Tragedy and from Tabari to present day Speakers of Shia Majlis, this book is quoted for narrating the Tragedy of Karbala.


    By Aamir Mughal -



  • i too agree with mr. jamshed basha regarding pointed and relevant debates.. elsewhere i have requested mr. mughal to be precise in his discourses.. but i must add his postings do have wealth of information but as i said elsewhere you better settle at a workable ratio of length v/s appeal... because best trained netizens find it difficult to remain focussed after initial 30 lines.. unless the post is interactive and stimulating...

    i'm sure we all need mughal with us, we all are scholors and differences of opinion is a hallmark of intellect, but here i would like to suggest the mODERATOR Mr. Shahin to ensure that all debates are finally closed with his verdict / or take home message for the average forum readers, otherwise these exercises would not groiw beyond keyboard tappings...

    regards


    By traveler -



  • Maine to Gaaliyan Yazeed aur Muawia dono ke liye hee nikaali, Magar jaan ke beinteha lutf aaya ki sab ka  eiteraaz sirf Muawia ko gaali nikaalne pe aayaa,  Yazeed ke bachao me koyee bhi Musalman aage nahi aayaa, Yaani ke aap sabhi maantey hain ki Yazeed Paleed wo sab kuch hai jo ki maine likha tha? badaa hee ******......... Maafi chahunga magar Iblees ko Iblees kahna gaali nahi, AQEEDA HAI  bass har ek bande ka andaaz e bayan mukhtalif hota hai.


    By TABREZ ALI FROM JAUNPUR -



  • This is in response to the post from Faiz qouting the couplet "Bughz jis seenay men ho Siddique ka Farooq ka, Hai yahi behtar woh seena umr bhar pit-ta rahay"

    If you are hinting at the Azadari and Matam of Shias, here is a rejoinder..

    AINE ALI AUR AINE UMAR MEIN HAI FARQ KYA,

    JAISE HAI FARQ HE’ KA, HALA-LO HARAM MEIN

     

    Never ever dare to make fun of Azadari and the sacrifice of Imam Husain.

     


    By HUSAINI -



  • Dear Mr. Aamir Mughal,

    You will do this website and the readers a huge favour if you can ensure that your "cut and paste" texts are not irrelevant and donot run into thousands of words. No one has the time to read your irrelevant references and they get boring most of the time. Pl also realise that your "cut and paste" texts which are repetitive also occupy a lot of precious space of the website.

    Sultan Shahin, the administrator of this website may have so far not raised an objection to your cut and paste habit for reasons best known to him though he must realise that repetitive cut and paste texts would adversly affect the popularity of the website. You are however expected to pay heed to the concerns raised by most of the regulars on this website.

     


    By HASAN -



  • Faiz

    There was a couplet put on a forum by someone (I think it was Shariq) a few weeks ago:  here it is:
     
    Bughz jis seenay men ho Siddique ka Farooq ka
    Hai yahi behtar woh seena umr bhar pit-ta rahay
     
    Irfan


    By Faiz -



  • jamsheed basha from chennai

     

    I AGREE WITH YOU THAT AMIR MUGHAL HAS BECOME A PAIN WITH HIS STUPID CUT AND PASTE AND ALSO BY HIS INSPID PASTE. I HAVE REFUSED TO DEBATE WITH HIM SO SENILE ARE HIS POST, IN THINK AND WOULD RERQUEST MR SHAHION TO KICK HIM OFF FROM THE SITE AS NOT HE IS ONLY ANTI ISLAM BUT HIS POST LOSES DIGNITY AND HE OFTEN AS WORSE AS THAT OF TABREZ.

    PLEASE ASK MUGHAL TO RETIRE NIO ONE READ HIM AND HE IS SO SO BORING 


    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



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