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  • @ Hasan Abbas, You need not bother about neither thackeray nor modi.  Hindus basically are not violent people and they adapt and grow.  If you look at carefully the post independence, the manu smriti has completely been eradicated on law and people have accepted.  We might still have problem in villages which are slowly changing due to economic prosperity percolation.  Can you please tell me one Muslim country which had the back bone to change the norms in Muslim medieval practices.
    Yes, it will be problem in places where Muslim are majority. You must have read about a village in up giving dictat like taliban, it is a Muslim dominated villages. 
    In fact fundamentalist element like bal thackery is required in my perception [ in a controlled fashion ] to put down the Muslim fundamentalism where they thing destroying public asset is a bravery.
    Further in hinduism there is no do and donots. Whatever balthackery might say, please visit bandra church and many will be hindus.  Even i visit and take blessing at ajmer dhargah. 
    In fact the first country to be bothered about Pakistan more than India is Israel and they are good enough to handle them with the big brother america, who created it.
    By satwa gunam - 9/21/2012 11:47:40 PM



  • Dear Satwa Gunam: This shit is so offensive that it will irritate your noses. So you cannot afford to be complacent. So protect your democracy and secularism, rule of law and take care of your minorities. Beware of persons like Ball Thakray and disciples of Nathu Ram Godse. What happened after murder of Mrs Indra Ghandi should not be allowed to happen again. After murder of BayNazir Bhutto, we witnessed similar incidents of violence and vandalism in Pakistan.
    By Hasan Abbas - 9/21/2012 10:47:36 AM



  • @ Hasan Abbas, Taliban can try their best. Pakistan army has tried many time, India is fine with the Taliban  as they are the offspring of Pakistan army.  So india need not clean the shit which was created by pakistan and america.
    By satwa gunam - 9/21/2012 5:11:26 AM



  • In the aftermath of violence and disruption wreaked to show anger against the notorious film, Innocence of Muslims, my prediction--though I do not claim to be Nostradamus---is that a Taliban-style government would be installed in Pakistan in 2020. Demonstrators have destroyed public property. Private cars have been burnt. Examinations have been postponed. National holiday was declared by the Government to pacify irate crowd.Gun-tottering bandits are ransacking cinema houses. Peshawar witnessed exchange of firing between police and demonstrators. Hundreds of person have been injured. Heavily armed demonstrators forced people to come out their houses to join them. Nobody is there to stop all this nonsense.It seems that Pakistan can never come out of this chaotic situation. Lawlessness is the order of the day.

    Once Talibans capture power in Pakistan, they will export their ideology to India. So Indians cannot afford to stay aloof from this happening or revel in this mess.

    By Hasan Abbas - 9/21/2012 3:41:57 AM



  • yaar mohammed yunus 
    meri jaan
    i agree with so much you say. but, what is the proof that there is a god of the sort you ardently believe in?  kya pata yeh sab manghadat ho! just because you have been born in a muslim family you feel impelled to think islam is true....it gives you some consolation. 

    By Ratatatata - 9/20/2012 4:59:08 AM



  • Dear Mainhihun,what absurdity did you find in the Bhagwat Gita?
    By Kesav das - 9/19/2012 1:01:05 PM



  • i have not the faintest clue if there's really a god, and, if there is some such thing, if it is the same that various scriptures describe 'him' as.....why cant people just live sensible lives instead of forcing themselves to believe in something that cant be verified by them? and in forcing themselves to believe in all sorts of absurdities which are found in their scriptures, they make their lives [and that of others as well] a total HELL.....so, their religiosity becomes the way to HELL.....in this and [if it exists] in the next world too
    By mainhihun - 9/19/2012 11:27:25 AM



  • Dear Ratatatata,

    I fully agree with you that “only when we move out of this meaningless debate and throw off the chains of theological slavery that people can become truly human.”

    Among the earliest poetic lines I remember of is: “yehi hai ibadat yehi din o iman = ki kaam aa-ay duniyan may insaan ke insaan.”

    Incidentally I have authored an exegetic work, MS approved in 2002 and publish in the States mid 2009. It’s Chapter 7.1 has the title: ‘Service to humanity as the essence of din al-Islam:” incorporates the following statement: “din al-Islam may be connoted with a faith system that calls for orienting oneself (asslama) to God for the doing of good deeds, or serving humanity. Accordingly the Qur’an describes ‘din al-Islam’, as the universal faith that was enjoined on earlier prophets, who were all true muslims (2:131-133),3 and conveyed the same essential message. ........ Muslims ardently believe in the ‘five pillars’ and are very particular to comply with them, but they are by and large not pro-active in serving humanity as required by their faith.

    Thanks.


    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/19/2012 10:20:21 AM



  • if you look at almost every muslim country, and at muslim minorities in every other country, you will find ignorance, oppression of women, fanaticism, bigotry, supremacism, etc ---all in the name of islam and nothing else.....critics will say it is because of islam itself, while people like sultan shahin will claim that it is because of 'wrong' interpretation of islam....i have no idea who is right here---it actually doesnt matter because i strongly believe that only when we move out of this meaningless debate and throw off the chains of theological slavery that people can become truly human
    By Ratatatata - 9/19/2012 6:55:11 AM



  • The Universal religion -essay authored by Swami Vivekananda is worth publishing in New age islam.


    By C.Sugumar - 9/19/2012 5:30:25 AM



  • Yoginder saheb says, "Listen to your heart--whatever appeals to it is right for you."
    I agree. Most of us have listened to our hearts and know where we stand. Our participation in this discourse is occasioned by our concern for our community. We are social animals and have community affiliation. When our community is plagued with intolerance, violence, blasphemy laws, persecution of minorities, suicide bombers, sectarian strife, backwardness in education, superstition, obscurantism and suppression of women we naturally are restless and come to forums like this to exchange views and to entertain hopes, however vain they may be, that something can be done.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/19/2012 1:08:13 AM



  • Mohd Yunus Saheb
    I think a lot of your anguish could possibly be addressed by reading this book: http://www.ksridhammananda.com/pdf/HOW%20TO%20CHOOSE%20A%20RELIGION.pdf



    By maihinhun - 9/18/2012 11:07:38 PM



  • Of course Mr Yoginder Sikand ji: You are right, there isn't  and should not be any inner or outer force or coercion in the matters of FAITH.
    By Raihan Nezami - 9/18/2012 10:21:35 PM



  • Why should anyone force himself to believe this or that, this religion or that one? Listen to your heart--whatever appeals to it is right for you, and you need not bother about the rest. Religion ought to be for man, rather than the other way around. So, whatever in your religion or other religions/ideologies conduces to your good, your joy, accept it, and forget about the rest!
    By yoginder sikand - 9/18/2012 9:13:21 PM



  • Respected muhammad yunus (1) sahib. I can't reject your appeal to me to read your 5 articles. I will start reading again.
    My journey started with Islam. Whatever I read was written by Muslims. I lived and live among Muslims. I maintain some distance because I fear a extreme reaction from Muslims even if I don't say a word against the prophet Mohammed. With Non-Muslims I have no such fear, because they are not intolerant as the Muslims are.
    Today I went through:

    ‘No Religion’ A Buddhist Monk’s Approach to Universal Religious Harmony

    By Yoginder Sikand, New Age Islam.

    My response in few words: It touched my heart and acted as balm.

    Thank you sir for your generosity towards me.





    By mohd yunus - 9/12/2012 10:57:19 AM



  • Dear Sulthan Shahin Bhai. People like me share your views. But I dont thik these Wahhabis, Salafis, radicals and Tableeghis will be able to win over the majority of the peace loving Muslims, who truly follow the path of Prophet Mohamed. Whatever success, the above groups might have achieved, it is only temporary and will not be a continuing process. A good majority of Muslims dont toe their line and thinking. The New Age Islam is on the right track and will go a long way in uniting the likeminded Muslims and mobilising them against all such groups. We will  join together and never allow them to have any big say in our community.  
    By Syed Muthahar Saqaf - 9/11/2012 1:32:28 PM



  • Dear Mohd. Yunus, my brother, please read the five articles I earlier referred to you and post your comments. Your idea about the message of Islam will greatly change and you will not say (quoting others of course) that "According to Islam, Darwin, Huxley, Martin Luther, Newton and all other scientists and philosophers will burn in the hell because they did not and don't believe in the prophet Mohammed ."
    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/10/2012 9:24:05 PM



  • Respected Mohammed Yunus Sahib(1), You have been very kind. I have no complaint with any body on this site. I regard every body as a real not ideal person.
    I have many unanswered questions. You tried your best. Allah kareem will reward you if He exists and there is purpose for creation and a plan for his creation.
    In science I will not be punished for my disbelief in scientific theories. Beauty of these theories is dynamism. Religions in general are static. Islam is more static.
    I don't want to repeat my questions, because they are difficult in nature for believing persons.
    I prefer objectivity rather subjectivity. You find wisdom, beauty etc in the noble Quran I don't.
    You brain wash me before I start to read the Quran. I am not convinced that in order to find guidance I must be muttaqi first. If I am muttaqi, I am already guided.
    It is good you are guided.
    You consider the Quran like a diary by a father for his child. You believe Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) was a ideal human. Some consider He was Masoom.
    I started to write in respectful manner because your demand was logical and acceptable.
    You have saved yourself in a beautiful manner from difficult situation. Regarding Mutashabihat and Ahadith my questions are as as they were. In your mind they may be irrelevant but for me they are important.
    To sum up I think there is no creation plan. It creates more questions than it answers.
    My questions are on basic beliefs. You may draw conclusion that my knowledge about Islam is superficial but I think it is not the case.Though there is more room to accommodate more.
    Simply I am not convinced about God, Purpose, His plan, Predestination etc so live without a belief. I prefer doubt instead of belief. Doubts created science a light, beliefs created religion the darkness.
    I may be a confused person on religions but I am not confused on morality. Morality is the goal which can be achieved without religion.
    According to Islam, Darwin, Huxley, Martin Luther, Newton and all other scientists and philosophers will burn in the hell because they did not and don't believe in the prophet Mohammed .
    Prophet mohammed is the pivot about which Islam revolves. So belief in Mohammed the prophet is of paramount importance. If I believe in one God but don't believe in the prophet, I am not a Muslim. And all non-Muslims are bound to hell for eternity.
    Here is my problem with Islam.  You may respond if you like.

    By mohd yunus - 9/10/2012 10:00:24 AM



  • Dear Mohd. Yunus. Your statement: "I deny any charge of slandering the character Of the prophet Mohammed. Ulama worldwide have done this already and continuing to do. Muslims don't find anything bad." tells me that all you earlier wrote in an apparently sarcastic and challenging tone (I don't want to repeat) in the first person was actually a challenging way of conveying what others say. That being the case please take all the admonition I seemingly cast on you as allegories and brotherly advice and let us not go back to the vicious game of you quoting mutashabihat verses such as 33:67 (the meaning of which only God and the Prophet knew and is none of our business to know) with a borrowed malice and I warning you not to create confusion or derail our discussion from the featured issue.  You are of course most welcome to stay on with us. I will look forward to your comments to the five articles of mine I last indicated to you (which are also featured in Arabic version)
    God bless you.


    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/9/2012 7:45:35 PM



  • Janab Mohammad Younus Sb (1st and 2nd): Don't be surprised as I have referred this post to both of you, I am not going to enter into a debate upon the definition of  "Muslim",  significance of  "Tauheed" and "Taqwah" or which one comes before another in order to qualify for the Agreement of Allah Kareem. Masha Allah! I am lucky enough to have witnessed and propelled under the qualitative debate between two scholars with some differences. Most of the times, I have felt that Mr. MY2 has a hidden undiscovered Faith in God and respect for our prophet Hazrat Mohammad (saw), yet he has certain blunt questions to be answered by Allah Kareem or His prophet (saw). As directly it is not possible to get the response, so he expresses his anguish and frustration by bringing contrsting ideas and informations upon anyone who comes in his way and tries to console him. Lastly, I feel that Mr. MY (1) should reconsider his fervent appeal, "I have written nothing wrong about the prophet Mohammed (PBUH)" and another statement "you are accusing me for assassination of the character of the prophet while I am in no way responsible for it." more thouroughly and logically with a positive frame of mind in broad way. It is what I simply felt that he should be excused and freed of this charge, Allah Kareem know better. Your discussions have been a great testimony of knowledge and learning clearing many doubts and cementing our Faith. Abhi Ishq ki manzilen aur bhi hain.
    By Raihan Nezami - 9/9/2012 2:30:02 PM



  • Janab Mohd.Yunus. 1 sahib. You are also repeating many questions and answers you accuse me for repetition.
    I deny any charge of slandering the character Of the prophet Mohammed. Ulama worldwide have done this already and continuing to do. Muslims don't find anything bad.

    You must not be very happy with my good bye. It You can bring me back.
    When you will be able to bring Muslims into your fold, please give me a call.
    I am 50.
    In 1400 years, nobody who spent their whole lives could reach to true massage of the noble Quran, except you after 15 years.
    I like Iqbal's poetry not his ideas. He wrote Saare janahn se achha Hindutan..... but was the think tank behind Pakistan's creation.
    I have written nothing wrong about the prophet Mohammed(PBUH). You are trying to suppress my voice by accusing me. It will be my answer always.
    Why I decided to say good bye? because you are accusing me for assassination of the character of the prophet while I am in no way responsible for it.
    You write this and that is not in the noble Quran, but your Muslim brothers are busy in applying the same. Who is listening to you? Do you really believe there should not be any capital punishment for apostasy because it is not in the Quran. How many Muslims agree with you on this subject?

    Regarding Sultan Sahib, he owes nothing to me. I thank him for how he has been impartial as an Editor.
    In above article he has clearly told the truth. I endorse his views on most of the topics.
    He wrote "The second growing group is that of those moderate, thinking Muslims who are leaving Islam quietly, at least in their hearts. They may retain Muslim affiliations for pragmatic reasons. Some fear their wives leaving them. [Salafis may be misogynists but many women just love them.] Some fear daughters not getting married, etc. Some may see safety in staying a nominal Muslim for the time being. They have begun to believe that Islam is what Saudis, Salafis, Hadeesis, Tableeghis present Islam as, and since that is not a religion that any sensible person can accept, so it is best to leave. The more moderate Muslims are beaten up for watching TV and listening to music, as was done by Tableeghis in Karachi yesterday, the more this group will swell. "
    I find myself within this category.

    At last the Question remains unanswered, why the Noble Quran contains Mutahsabihat with clear ahkamat.
    I know there are Mutahsabihat and clear ahkamat. Question is why mutashabihat?  The Quran is a guide book. What is the purpose of Mutashabihat in a guide book? You may tell Allah knows the best. This is the best answer you can give. I understand the real reason.
    Have you separated the authentic Ahadith from all Sahi Ahadith books? If you have done we can continue to discuss.
    "The book is approved by al-Azhar al-Sharif  (2002) and endorsed by Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl, Professor of Law, UCLA"
    You got approved your book. OK. Who did approve the books of prominent Ulama, their tafaseer etc? View of Mr Rehan Nezami are true as true Muslim(No sarcasm). He is not telling a lie. If he believes that, yahood o nasara and Hindus will go to hell because they are no more valid after the prophet Mohammed is speaking truth.

    I again say. A muslim even a paapi will enjoy the paradise after some punishment (yeh bhi Allah ki mardhi hai chaahe to maaf kar de), but a Non-Muslim will be tortured for eternity even if he is a noble person in his actions.
    Who is a Muslim? A Muslim is a person who believe in the prophet Mohammed. All other definitions are useless.
    I have nothing to boast. If I don't believe as a Muslim, it doesn't mean I approve evils though I may not be a very noble person.


    By mohd yunus - 9/9/2012 1:06:05 PM



  • Mohd.Yunus. 1.      Thanks for winding up your write up with some beautiful pieces of poetry. I am add on to your line as follows, especially for you – a high potential material as I noted in the concluding sentence of my last comment.
    Isi roz o shab mey ulajh kar na rah ji – musafir yeh tera nashiman nahi hai.
    Tu shahin hai parvaz hai kam tera – zamin aur bhi asmaan aur bhi hain.
    2.      I guessed your age at around 30 and you as an Ace performer in the academy. You never answered.
    3.      I get infuriated when you demonized the Prophet or the Qur’an or his wife by Quoting someone as much you will be infuriated when somebody demonizes someone you love. You must know freedom of speech has limits. If you don’t know this, a bitter experience in life will tell you. I am 67 and have 40+,years of experience in corporate business world.
    4.      I suggest to you that you read the following of my articles, which are now also posted in Arabic version and there is no adverse comments.
    1.     Why are the Muslims converting to Christianity - a soul searching exercise?
    2.     The Qur’an’s broader notion of taqwa – an irrefutable testimony to its universalism
    3.      The broader notion of din al-Islam is inclusive of all monotheistic faiths.
    4.     Tracking the moral trajectories of the juz ‘amm (last one thirtieth part) of the Qur’an
    5.     The Muslims’ ignorance /disregard of the Qur’anic guidance and its Colossal and Recurring Cost
    Sultan Shahin Saheb will be no fool to get them translated into Arabic unless he thought they are of some value. I wish you read them with an open mind and post your objective comments on the articles themselves and not on somebody else’s comments. Don’t fix your mind at the verse 33:37 and the interpretations of hurun Aynun and qasirat at tarf. These belong to the ‘mutashbihat’ category. Follow the Qur’anic guideline to comprehend its message, I earlier wrote down for you and now cutting and pasting below:
    “The Qur’an commands humanity to probe its verses (38:29, 47:24) with a positive state of mind (56:79) focusing only on clear verses (ayatum muhkamat) – such as those free from any ambiguity or confusion (mutashabihat) (3:7) and seek the best meaning in it (39:18, 39:55). It declares:
    “He is the One who has revealed to you (O Muhammad,) the Book which contains (some) clear verses that (form) the essence of this Book, while others are allegorical. As for those with perversity in their hearts, follow that which is allegorical seeking confusion and seeking an interpretation. No one knows its interpretation, except God.
    Therefore, if you seek to grasp the message of the Qur’an, you have to steer clear of the verses that you find confusing and focus on its clearly stated commandments. I have indeed read the translation of the Qur’an back to back at least 6-7 times over the past 15 years, identified its clearly stated verses that bear its ahkamat (3:7), attempted to interpret them using Qur’an’s internal illustrations and jointly with a fellow researcher of the Qur’an, co-authored a book, Essential Message of Islam (Amana Publications, 2009). The book is approved by al-Azhar al-Sharif  (2002) and endorsed by Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl, Professor of Law, UCLA in these words:
    “Readers who wish to learn the theological and moral dogma of Islam will find this book indispensable.  But this book is not just an informative tool for the fair-minded and interested reader.  This book is an educational tool for both Muslims and non-Muslims—it is an authoritatively reliable text to teach young Muslims, or even Muslims who never had the time to study the Qur’an, or the fundamentals of their religion.”
    If you wish you may get a copy of the book for your enlightenment on the Qur’anic message
    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/9/2012 8:34:27 AM



  • Respected muhammad yunus (1) Saheb. I read your commentary. What history you wrote I knew it. There are uncountable articles about golden age or Islam's Contribution for science etc by Muslims and Non-Muslims. You have provided me few more questions: Why Muslims left the noble Quran? Who forced them not to understand? How are they understanding now? Are Non-Muslims responsible for their lacking in every field?
    No doubt Muslims live in that golden age, feel pride in that, and inflate themselves with pride.
    Look into the mirror where are you now? You may have gone to sky in that period, what is now? Is not present more important than past? Living in past and making life of others difficult in present. If I am potential future Salman Rushdie, majority of terrorist are Muslims and potential future terrorists.

    In one reply you said "I am not a historian" when I asked which history book you prefer.
    Regarding your articles you said I don't read. Ok let me agree. You think I should have agreed with you or accepted everything you said. At many places I endorsed your views.
    You again got infuriated when I wrote that your version of Islam is like the Pulao without spices. Why do you want impose your thinking on others. You tried, many don't agree. What is the problem?
    Mr. Sultan Shahin has some ideas, many did not agree with him. He is trying to convince but not getting infuriated on anybody even on this low IQ person.
    I understand my limitation in not understanding your simple statements. If I fail to understand the noble Quran, other capable persons are understanding and making Muslims to think deeply. Had there been no critic, Muslims never would have thought for a moment to reform either Islam or Muslims thinking. There is no dearth of critics within Muslims as well outside that's why you are doing hard work.
    Perhaps you said that you have worked for me worth $500. Even I f I am still wrong, then I am utterly foolish.
    Important. Regarding shameful accounts mentioned in the noble Quran. I want to clarify that my intention was that there is a shameful description of female companions in the paradise and mention of gilmans, not the shameful accounts of the noble prophet.
    This misunderstanding infuriated you.
    If you say verses having lustful description are allegorical, than this is a different matter.
    I may be a mirage for myself not for you. You are an enlightened one.
    Many Christian and other persons lost their lives by criticizing Quran. I ask were not they serious in their criticism. Were not they thinking that they are on true path?
    Is sacrifice of life is easy. There might have some motive bigger than to defame the Islam. Muslims can make fool some, but not all. Still there are uncountable critics of Quran. Muslims are so afraid that they have devised blasphemy law.
    Are not Christianity, Hinduism, other religions, the Vedas, the Geeta, the Bible not criticized? Are not religious , political figures, and philosophers not ridiculed?
    Only Muslims kill civilian people everywhere and infecting others also. Can't Islam, Quran survive without violence.
    I am parting because I understand the real danger. I thank you for making me alert.
    I don't doubt your sincerity, or your concern for any person, or Islamic cause.
    Sorry for long comment.
    If you want still some clarification (not may be worth for you) I am here.
    A wisest man sometime don't understand what other want to say.
    I will keep reading on this site time to time only thing I will not comment.
    Let us see when Muslims will understand the true message of noble Quran.
    Hsbe haal sher from Ghalib AAh ko chaahiye ek umr asar hone tak, kaun jeeta hai teri zulf ke sar hone tak.
    Hamne maana ki tagaful na karoge lekin, Khak ho jaayenge ham tumko khabar hone tak.

    Your and my favourite Sir Iqbaal
    Bhari baz men raaz ki baat kah dee, bada be adab hoon sazaa chahta hoon.

    Ek yahi jahaan nahi jahan aur bhi hain,
    chal aisi jagah jahan imkan-e-traqqi-e-insaan bhi hai.
    Takrata hai kyon too sar isi patthar pe baar baar, Ek yahi aastan nahi aastane aur bhi hain
    Rahte hain kuchh log maazi men gum is zamaane men
    chhod aisa saath aage manzilon ke nishaan aur bhi hain.
    Bezaar hain jo thujh se dikhaya too ne aiina kyon
    kar mehnat kaheen aur abhi imkaan aur bhi hain.


    Have a nice day

    By mohd yunus - 9/7/2012 5:24:02 AM



  • One may  bring up the presence of objectionable material in the sacred literature of other religions just in order to point out how they dealt with it and how we just seem to be sruck with it. The intent was not to denigrate any other religion.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/6/2012 4:27:56 PM



  • Mohd. Yunus. In your beautiful parting soliloquy you have left one question for me:"In 1400 years what Muslims have given to world is a question to be asked."
    Alas! You do not read my articles and make me work over time. Here is the answer and the article references:

    1. "In the early centuries of Islam, the Muslims sourced knowledge from all over the world. Scholars from distant lands gravitated to Baghdad, which thus became the knowledge capital of the world. This enabled Islam to make phenomenal advancement in diverse fields of knowledge. The Abbasid Caliphs, notably al-Ma'mun (813-833) established the House of Wisdom (bait al hikmah) that was equipped with observatories and became an unrivalled centre of learning for the era. It undertook a massive translation exercise lasting many decades and translated into Arabic, the ancient Greek and Hellenic works such as those of PythagorasPlatoAristotle, Hippocrates, Plotinus, Galen, and others, which were later retranslated from Arabic into European languages. It also pooled the best brains from the farthest regions of Islamic world that spanned from the recesses of China to Spain - regardless of their religion, and harnessed their collective talents and made phenomenal advancement in diverse fields of knowledge - notably, mathematicsastronomymedicinealchemyHYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy_and_chemistry_in_medieval_Islam",HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy_and_chemistry_in_medieval_Islam" chemistry, botany, zoology, geography and cartography. The knowledge thus accumulated served as the springboard for Renaissance – an uncontested historical reality that hardly needs any elaboration."

    Ref:

     

     

     

     

    .aspx?ArticleID=6022"Darwinism is Consistent with Qur’anic Insights on Man’s Origin

        http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamAndScience_1.aspx?ArticleID=6022

     
    2. "
    The advent of the Qur’an – the divine speech descending upon humanity in the seventh century Arabia, created a sudden turbulence in human history, the ripple of which was soon to sweep the world. Within less than a hundred years of its inauguration, its dynamic spirit and liberating paradigms led to the establishment of the greatest civilization of the era that spanned almost the entire expanse of the political map of the era from East to West (Spain to China) and saw remarkable advancement in diverse fields of knowledge. Its veneration of hikmah (universal wisdom) inspired its scholars to preserve the works of Greco-Roman philosophers through a massive translation drive leading to the flowering of Islamic philosophical heritage (e.g works left by al-Ghazali, Ibn Rush, Ibn ‘Arabi, Rumi, Sa‘di, for example). Its emphasis on universal knowledge (‘ilm) led to a phenomenal advancement in practically all fields of universal sciences - mathematics, physics, chemistry, botany, astronomy, medicine, metallurgy, and manufacturing technology (paper, textile etc.). Its patronization of scholars attracted the intellectually gifted regardless of religion to its centre (Baghdad) and many to its fold from the farthest regions of the then world. Its respect and tolerance of non-Muslims, liberating social paradigms and exemption from restrictive taboos, theological speculations and scholasticism won innumerable coverts, constantly feeding the faith with fresh blood and intellect. Its exhortations to use reason (‘aql), to cogitate and think rationally (fiqh) and emphasis on justice led to phenomenal advancements in the field of jurisprudence. Its empowerment of women found them pursuing the highest levels of knowledge and rising to the position of jurists and scholars who taught mixed batches of students and bestowed academic credentials on them regardless of gender. These achievements in diverse fields found their way into Europe by way of translation of their works, first into Latin, and later into European languages, and served as the taproot of post Renaissance advancement in Europe."      

    Ref: The Muslims’ ignorance /disregard of the Qur’anic guidance and its Colossal and Recurring Cost.

    http://newageislam.com/islamic-ideology/muhammad-yunus,-new-age-islam/the-muslims’-ignorance-/disregard-of-the-qur’anic-guidance-and-its-colossal-and-recurring-cost/d/7795

    All the best.You are a high potential material. Vie with others in excellence as the Qur'an command and you will rise to upper middle class before long and upper class in time. Be good to others and work hard. When you have enough money, share with the needy.... 
    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/6/2012 2:13:55 PM



  • Mohammed Wajihuddin and Sarkar Haider Saheban, It would be wonderful if both of you could spare some time to engage with our readers.

    We are engaged in seminal debates on issues of vital concern to Muslims. It is for the first time that this is happening on any Islamic website.

    As Dr Haider recalls, this site has been engaged in these debates from the beginning. At the time he is reminded of we were debating if Niaz Fatehpuri’s rational views should be allowed to stay on the site. Some readers wanted the chapter on his works and ideas from a book deleted. This was not allowed and they were very unhappy. But the site has always stood for free debate for all concerned people within limits of decent language and there was nothing editors of the site could have done.

     I find some people again exasperated with some ideas and responding with anger. I hope all keep their cool as the issues we are debating are of vital importance for the health of the community. our well-being in the present as much as our future depend on this, as I tried to explain in this article.

    These issues are also not new. The entire Ilm Ul Kalam is full of controversies of this nature and the community has debated and transcended many of these questions over the centuries of debates.

    The difference now is that with the spread of internet most relevant Islamic literature is easily available to people who would have never read them in those days. So these debates have now become wider and are engaging a larger number of people. It is time we visited ilm-ul-kalam again and updated it and spread the knowledge therein.

    This is no lime for recriminations or questioning peoples’ motives or starting pointing out the shortcomings of other religions’ sacred literature. I know I am repeating myself but I feel this is important enough to be said repeatedly.

    We should look for our resources and expand their limits. And above all , change our own attitudes where required.

    The trend is towards growing rigidity as well as growing rationalism. The space for moderates is shrinking. We must choose our path carefully. Above all, the purpose of debate and brainstorming on the site is to share and learn and grow and change. If we are not prepared to learn and grow and change, we are wasting our and other people’s time.


    By Sultan Shahin - 9/6/2012 1:29:30 PM



  • Respected muhammad yunus (1) saheb.
    1. You have killed many question by shooting an arrow "I am not a historian"
    No one can question your choice.
    I have to check how it is different from others.
    2. This is my favourite Rubaai. I like poetry of all Urdu poets. It does not mean I agree with them. Qurane kareem does not favour poetry. Correct mr if I am wrong.
    We read some sahabis (RA) were under boycott when they made excuse of scorching heat. What you write about Mohammed sahib (PBUH) is true. He was indeed as you mentioned, but one can see difference in Medina. Now don't force your opinion. I expressed mine.
    4. What I said, said. You have made your point. Again you killed many questions. I must admit you are a smart guy. Though majority of Muslims believe in every hadith. This means number of Muslims going to Jannat is reduced if you believe they have insulted the prophet.
    You are angry with me because I quoted insulting Ahadith. As a Muslim your anger is justified. I have an impression that you took side of those writers saying those writers should be seen in the light of their understanding in under those conditions.
    I say everybody can be excused on this ground. If insulting is a crime, they are criminal.
    I may be weak or below standard in any field.
    7. I am not the source of insulting material.
    8. Thank you for your deep concern. I feel fear even if I don't write anything. Our society is damghotu society. I have written on this site. I am the result of your damghotu society. Now you will excuse the society by saying that everyone is responsible for his action. Salman Rushdie may have earned money by his book. Neither I take bribe nor do I have luxury car, home etc. I am a simple lower middle class person. I have enough money for a lower middle class in Indian society.
    Fear has been instrumental in shaping the life of a Muslim. Fear of Allah, fear of Adhabe qabr, fear of Qayamat, fear of judgment day, fear of pul sirat, fear of jahannam. It is the main tool of Allah. Still majority of Muslims live a life of hypocrite. Psychologists may tell what the result of excessive fear may be.
    My understanding of Universal laws may be low, but it applies to majority of Muslims. Who are the headache of the whole world? Muslims or others?
    You have warned me of potential danger. Thank you very much. My hypocrisy will increase now.
    How I want to live my life (not a criminal one), is not possible in Muslim society.
    9. I have visited Gurudwaras and I don't compel you to believe. I am antithesis of you. You feel ashamed. My friends have no complaint because I have not held their icon of faith in derision, because they offer freedom of faith. In fact Non-Muslims truly follow Lakum Deenukum Waliyadeen, not Muslims.
    In one sentence Muslim society is a suppressive society. Every possible benign entertainment is haram.
    I will wait for the moment when Muslims will be able to throw insulting material.
    Allah's score of guiding the people in the whole history is terribly low.
    10. Time will tell how Muslims will respond to your call.
    Best I can do to is I wish you the best.
    You need not open a new chapter for me. I don't boast I am a very moral man. I will improve myself without any fear of God, without greed of jannat and fear of jahannam. Perhaps I will join some charitable trust to serve the humanity instead of serving Allah.
    I want to live with my disbelief. Who knows what is in the womb of future?
    I realized I am ruining your time and mine as well. I have many interesting fields like Homeopathy, Photography and poetry etc.
    I am leaving some questions behind me to ponder upon. It is a gift if you can accept or throw into dustbin.
    Questions will be asked again and again.
    In 1400 years what Muslims have given to world is a question to be asked.
    Before saying good bye, thanks to Sultan sahib, you, sadaf saheb, Rehan Nezami saheb, Ghulam Saheb, Aiman Reyaz saheb, satwa saheb, jb saheb, manni, and all others I am not mentioning.
    I pardon all of you without any demand if you all intentionally or unintentionally have said something bad.
    It is up to you what do you want to do.
    Sorry Sadaf I am not keeping my word. Think you saw a bad dream.
    I am really feeling fear.

    Chalo jashn manayen ki mausame khizaan chala gaya.
    Jo dushman tha iman ka wo kafir chala gaya.
    Ab hogi hamari jannat, hamari Huren aur ham
    Pilao saqi bhar bha ke jaam-e-tasneem waiz nadan chala gaya.
    Mubarak tumhen zahido husn-wa-sharabe jannat
    jo karta tha sajde bina kisi tama ke, woh beloth insaan chalaa gaya.
    With heavy heart and tears good bye to all.


    By mohd yunus - 9/6/2012 11:27:53 AM



  • Dear mohd. yunus. I never said I spent any amount of money for writing the comments. If you cannot be precise in making one simple statement, how dare you find faults in the Qur'an and the Prophet. Please reflect seriously. Anyway, I am grateful that you have not acted like the priests of Cordova and continued to hurl abusing remarks against the Prophet and the Qur'an despite repeated requests to hold back. Thoughtless oaths and words expressed in ignorance are pardonable. You alone know your intent. I am no judge to condemn you for whatever you said without knowing what is eddying, jostling and whirling inside your mind, ready to explode like a volcano. All my past remarks against you were specific to a context. If the context changes, the remarks are blotted out. I hope you do not start all over again. Thank you for challenging my intellect. I have found some good in it as you may soon see. Kindly confirm that you indeed read the commentary and did not make a fool of me the way a mirage fools a thirsty traveler in the desert.

    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/6/2012 9:12:48 AM



  • Very well argued, Shahin sahab. Many of us may not agree with Mr Shahin, but he gives us an invitation to think and ponder. Will moderate Islam survive the wave of wahabism? It is time we the moderates intervened? 

    By Mohammed Wajihuddin - 9/6/2012 6:34:46 AM



  • Respected Mohammed Yunus Sahib(1). Thank you very much for spending $500 on me. Allah kareem (if there is) will reward you profusely. I am not able to payback you.
    I thank you for many questions you answered.
    I will come later to this commentary....

    By mohd yunus - 9/6/2012 3:16:44 AM



  • Dear Mohd Yunus. I am now delighted that you finally refer to our Prophet with the respect he deserves. I will not be able to answer your long list of questions one by one, but will like to deal with them in a collective way. My comments

    1.       Answer to your questions (in red):

    Which book on Islamic History you approve (perhaps a censored one)? Sorry! I am not a historian  

    Which sirah book you approve? By Muhammad Hussain Haykal / Karen Armstrong

    Which translation of the noble Quran do you approve? Muhammad Assad.

    2.       The verses 33:21 of the Qur’an commands us to emulate the Prophet’s uswatun hasana. Your next question will be how to go about it. There are three ways:

    i. Just reflect on the third line of this Shaikh Saadi (reh)’s famous rubayee:

    Balaghal-'ula be-kamaal-e-hi, ii) Kashafad-duja be-jamaal-e-hi, iii) Hasunat jamee'u khisaal-e-hi, iv) Sallu 'alae-hi wa aal-e-hi .

     

    If you don’t know the meaning, imagine in your mind that your Prophet is the paragon of goodness and go about your life accordingly.

     

    ii. Read the Qur’an back to back, spot all the noble things it exhorts and attribute them to the Prophet. The Qur’an also offers glimpses of his noble persona that my joint publication captures as follows: (the superscripted numbers refer to Qur’anic verses)

    The Prophet was mild to his men even after their lapses in Uhud expedition.96 He readily excused others from taking part in (Tabuk) expedition.189 He offered food to uninvited guests, and cordially entertained them, even if they caused him annoyance, by staying on after the meal for socializing (33:53). The Prophet also displayed the most pristine form of generosity by praying for the forgiveness of his enemies.190 Accordingly, the Qur’an describes him as a noble messenger,191 endowed with a sublime character,192 faithful to his trust,193 and (a manifestation of God’s) mercy to believers,194 and to all humanity.195    

     On a personal level, the Prophet was a mortal like others.196 He had no power to avert harm from himself, or to benefit himself, or to harm or guide others.197 Like most of fellow Meccans, he was unlettered,198 and could not read a book - for had it been so, the prattlers would have been skeptical.199 He was a messenger of God and his only mission was to convey (God’s message)200 with clarity;201 that he may deliver humanity out of darkness into Light.202

    iii. The Prophet personified the noble paradigms of the Qur’an as tabled in my following article that you did not even bother to comment.

    The Noble Behavioral Paradigms of the Qur’an

     

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamicCulture_1.aspx?ArticleID=6059

    iv. To have your parents lay supreme emphasis on conduct behaviour, goodness, excellence and all moral values that are universal. My late father who incidentally never pressed me for Islamic rituals had tacitly made it clear that any wilful foul step – I am thrown out of the house. Any exam result short of first rank in the school, I got a thorough beating if he thought it was due to my negligence in studies (only happened once – my first half yearly exam in Class II, back in 1951).

     

    3.       I take your point that shaitans are born in the homes of farishtas. The responsibility of your faith lies on you and you alone. As the Qur’an puts it: “O You who believe, on you rests (the responsibility) of your souls....” (5:105). Thanks for correcting me.

    4.       You say : “Again I humbly request you to abstain from such accusations.” I only accuse you when you quote ‘daif’ accounts (that are untenable, reprehensible, odious, shameful, legendary, and even preposterous) to demonise the Prophet and indulge in seductive talks against his wives. To convince you of the rational of my advice, I asked to put yourself in the shoes of a brother of Karina (an arbitrary name) and to reflect how you will be angered if she is falsely implicated in a sexual episode and the story is sprung upon you. I have tried to explain to you repeatedly that quoting someone’s malicious remarks is a calumny – a criminal offence.  Very unfortunately your concept of universal principles of law seems to be extremely poor and so you are consistently refusing to understand that quoting others’ (your enemy’s) remarks to malign others (Karina, your sister) is a criminal act called calumny. That is why the Qur’an declares: “You who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with a (slanderous) news, verify it, otherwise you may ignorantly harm (other) people, and become regretful for what you have done” (49:6).

    5.       You also had the audacity to say that the Qur’an has lustful accounts. You beat all the Meccan enemies of Islam in demonizing Islam. They called Muhammad an impostor, a madman, and an insane poet,6 and ridiculed the Qur’anic revelation.7 They also found the revelation strange and unbelievable,8 a jumble of dreams9 and condemned it as the legends of the ancients.10 They questioned why Muhammad could not show any miracles,13 and  why a man of importance from the two cities was not chosen for the revelation.14  They accused the Prophet of forging lies and witchcraft,16 forging lies against God, forgery and making up tales,17  witchcraft,18 obvious witchcraft that was bewildering,19 and of being bewitched or possessed by a Jinn.20 But they never questioned his sexual fidelity, nor charged the Qur’an even with an iota of sexual perversion – and here comes snake of a man, my namesake  – deaf, dumb and blind of intellect who can only sting, charges the Noble Qur’an of containing lustful accounts. [your comments appearing under a cluster of reports under the caption, “Iranian Lawmakers Seek to Lower Age of Marriage for Girls From 13 to 9” dated august 30, 2012.]  

    6.        I accused you when you showered on me far greater respect than on my Prophet, but this is a thing of the past as you have admitted your mistake and I will not accuse you for this anymore.

    7.       Your concluding statement: “Burn your Ahadith, Sirah and history books if you feel ashamed.” When did I feel ashamed. Unfortunately your scholarship is limited to only Islamic theological discourses. Dig into parallel discourses of other faiths. You have no dearth of accounts that fall in the category of daif as defined above. But the scholars of those religions are looking forward and not anchoring themselves almost eternally to the ‘daif’ stuff of their theological discourses. They have other priorities in life. They have just glossed over the medieval era of their religious thoughts. We (ulama and intelligentsia at large) are sticking to the medieval era. Now you will say, how can we gloss over the medieval era. I have made clear recommendations in my book (joint publication) as well as several articles. Kindly read my related articles and raise objective question if you have any If were to charge you at a meagre US $50 per hour for writing these personal enlightening comments, you already owe me at least US $500/- You raise questions in rapid succession and bring calumnies against our Prophet and his wives and force me to defend them as much as you will defend your daughter, sister or wife, if she is made the heroin of a fabricated gossip. The following remark from my duly approved and authenticated book, does emphatically advocate to treat “all reports in this (daif) segment of the Prophet’ biography  parables and embellishments - to be fair to the early biographers, rather than historical facts.

    8.       You have now forced me to open a separate folder on you because i fear you – another Saman Rushdi in the making – though God alone knows the rightly guided. If your intentions is to become popular among the enemies of Islam by wilfully demonizing the Prophet, telling stories about his life and lies about the Qur’an your case rests with God. But if you do are a Muslim and live in a Muslim locality, you risk to pay dearly for your unmitigated condemnation of the icons of faith.

    9.       I as a Muslim have stood before idols in mandirs while accompanying some of my late dad’s Hindu customers and never for a moment held them or their icons of faith in derision. But I find you my antithesis bearing my name.

    10.   If you are writing all these things out of frustration, you henceforth must declare upfront as you have done only in your last but one comment: “I demand to remove all shameful accounts from secondary source of Islam.” Remember what is written is informed by the literary style and mindset of the era and is past history that no one can deconstruct. The ulama cling to them literally as it serves their interest. Hence my (joint) publication calls for treating them as whole in their historical perspective except the part that preserves the noble heritage of the Prophet his companions and details on Islamic rituals. The key recommendations of the book are:

    ·         Therefore, as suggested by some of the eminent Muslim scholars, Muslims must endeavor to take guidance directly from the Qur’an.9 The best way to accomplish this, as the Qur’an advocates, is to probe into it,10 and seek the best meaning,11 as attempted in this work.

    ·         Furthermore, Muslims must endeavor to cultivate an exemplary moral conduct and behavior (uswatun hasana) to do full justice to the heritage of their Prophet (33:21/Ch. 15), and to excel in all good things (that includes lawful pursuits) as enjoined by the Qur’an (2:148/Ch. 16; 5:48/Ch. 9.4).

    ·         There is also a pressing need to substitute the predominantly theological content of the curriculum of traditional religious schools (madrassas) with a focused study of the Qur’an and a comprehensive study of the ever expanding fields of universal sciences and diverse faculties of knowledge that are nothing but the manifestations of the Words (kalimat) of God (18:109, 31:27/Ch. 2.1), that cannot be divided between Islamic and non-Islamic domains (Concluding paragraph, Ch. 10.2).

    ·         As for the theological discourses, notably the Hadith literature, Muslims must not accept them blindly, and cite them freely, without knowing their background and the classification.12 The Hadith remains a critical part of Islamic religion, in so much as it preserves the legacy of the Prophet, no less his companions. However, since this is a very technical field, it should be reserved for enlightened specialists who have attained sufficient maturity, knowledge, and training to distinguish between weak and reliable Hadith, and not to confuse them with the Word of God.      

    ·         Last but not least, there is an over-riding need for the Muslim intelligentsia to protest the demonization of their Holy book by some of their own theologians and jurists, who, in the name of implementing the Qur’anic ordinances, justify blatantly anti-Qur’anic heinous crimes, particularly against womenfolk, as typified by examples that hit the world media in recent years and can be readily accessed on the Internet.13


    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/5/2012 11:42:35 PM



  • Good article Shahin sahab . comments as usual remind me of old days when certain section of your readers were asking for blood of ...what was his name?? ..it slips me ... someone from south india . all the best wishes 
    By sarkar haider - 9/5/2012 11:39:44 PM



  • Dear Mohd Yunus. I am now delighted that you finally refer to our Prophet with the respect he deserves. I will not be able to answer your long list of questions one by one, but will like to deal with them in a collective way. My comments

    1.       Answer to your questions (in red):

    Which book on Islamic History you approve (perhaps a censored one)? Sorry! I am not a historian  

    Which sirah book you approve? By Muhammad Hussain Haykal / Karen Armstrong

    Which translation of the noble Quran do you approve? Muhammad Assad.

    2.       The verses 33:21 of the Qur’an commands us to emulate the Prophet’s uswatun hasana. Your next question will be how to go about it. There are three ways:

    i. Just reflect on the third line of this Shaikh Saadi (reh)’s famous rubayee:

    Balaghal-'ula be-kamaal-e-hi, ii) Kashafad-duja be-jamaal-e-hi, iii) Hasunat jamee'u khisaal-e-hi, iv) Sallu 'alae-hi wa aal-e-hi .

     

    If you don’t know the meaning, imagine in your mind that your Prophet is the paragon of goodness and go about your life accordingly.

     

    ii. Read the Qur’an back to back, spot all the noble things it exhorts and attribute them to the Prophet. The Qur’an also offers glimpses of his noble persona that my joint publication captures as follows: (the superscripted numbers refer to Qur’anic verses)

    The Prophet was mild to his men even after their lapses in Uhud expedition.96 He readily excused others from taking part in (Tabuk) expedition.189 He offered food to uninvited guests, and cordially entertained them, even if they caused him annoyance, by staying on after the meal for socializing (33:53). The Prophet also displayed the most pristine form of generosity by praying for the forgiveness of his enemies.190 Accordingly, the Qur’an describes him as a noble messenger,191 endowed with a sublime character,192 faithful to his trust,193 and (a manifestation of God’s) mercy to believers,194 and to all humanity.195    

     On a personal level, the Prophet was a mortal like others.196 He had no power to avert harm from himself, or to benefit himself, or to harm or guide others.197 Like most of fellow Meccans, he was unlettered,198 and could not read a book - for had it been so, the prattlers would have been skeptical.199 He was a messenger of God and his only mission was to convey (God’s message)200 with clarity;201 that he may deliver humanity out of darkness into Light.202

    iii. The Prophet personified the noble paradigms of the Qur’an as tabled in my following article that you did not even bother to comment.

    The Noble Behavioral Paradigms of the Qur’an

     

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamicCulture_1.aspx?ArticleID=6059

    iv. To have your parents lay supreme emphasis on conduct behaviour, goodness, excellence and all moral values that are universal. My late father who incidentally never pressed me for Islamic rituals had tacitly made it clear that any wilful foul step – I am thrown out of the house. Any exam result short of first rank in the school, I got a thorough beating if he thought it was due to my negligence in studies (only happened once – my first half yearly exam in Class II, back in 1951).

     

    3.       I take your point that shaitans are born in the homes of farishtas. The responsibility of your faith lies on you and you alone. As the Qur’an puts it: “O You who believe, on you rests (the responsibility) of your souls....” (5:105). Thanks for correcting me.

    4.       You say : “Again I humbly request you to abstain from such accusations.” I only accuse you when you quote ‘daif’ accounts (that are untenable, reprehensible, odious, shameful, legendary, and even preposterous) to demonise the Prophet and indulge in seductive talks against his wives. To convince you of the rational of my advice, I asked to put yourself in the shoes of a brother of Karina (an arbitrary name) and to reflect how you will be angered if she is falsely implicated in a sexual episode and the story is sprung upon you. I have tried to explain to you repeatedly that quoting someone’s malicious remarks is a calumny – a criminal offence.  Very unfortunately your concept of universal principles of law seems to be extremely poor and so you are consistently refusing to understand that quoting others’ (your enemy’s) remarks to malign others (Karina, your sister) is a criminal act called calumny. That is why the Qur’an declares: “You who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with a (slanderous) news, verify it, otherwise you may ignorantly harm (other) people, and become regretful for what you have done” (49:6).

    5.       You also had the audacity to say that the Qur’an has lustful accounts. You beat all the Meccan enemies of Islam in demonizing Islam. They called Muhammad an impostor, a madman, and an insane poet,6 and ridiculed the Qur’anic revelation.7 They also found the revelation strange and unbelievable,8 a jumble of dreams9 and condemned it as the legends of the ancients.10 They questioned why Muhammad could not show any miracles,13 and  why a man of importance from the two cities was not chosen for the revelation.14  They accused the Prophet of forging lies and witchcraft,16 forging lies against God, forgery and making up tales,17  witchcraft,18 obvious witchcraft that was bewildering,19 and of being bewitched or possessed by a Jinn.20 But they never questioned his sexual fidelity, nor charged the Qur’an even with an iota of sexual perversion – and here comes snake of a man, my namesake  – deaf, dumb and blind of intellect who can only sting, charges the Noble Qur’an of containing lustful accounts. [your comments appearing under a cluster of reports under the caption, “Iranian Lawmakers Seek to Lower Age of Marriage for Girls From 13 to 9” dated august 30, 2012.]  

    6.        I accused you when you showered on me far greater respect than on my Prophet, but this is a thing of the past as you have admitted your mistake and I will not accuse you for this anymore.

    7.       Your concluding statement: “Burn your Ahadith, Sirah and history books if you feel ashamed.” When did I feel ashamed. Unfortunately your scholarship is limited to only Islamic theological discourses. Dig into parallel discourses of other faiths. You have no dearth of accounts that fall in the category of daif as defined above. But the scholars of those religions are looking forward and not anchoring themselves almost eternally to the ‘daif’ stuff of their theological discourses. They have other priorities in life. They have just glossed over the medieval era of their religious thoughts. We (ulama and intelligentsia at large) are sticking to the medieval era. Now you will say, how can we gloss over the medieval era. I have made clear recommendations in my book (joint publication) as well as several articles. Kindly read my related articles and raise objective question if you have any If were to charge you at a meagre US $50 per hour for writing these personal enlightening comments, you already owe me at least US $500/- You raise questions in rapid succession and bring calumnies against our Prophet and his wives and force me to defend them as much as you will defend your daughter, sister or wife, if she is made the heroin of a fabricated gossip. The following remark from my duly approved and authenticated book, does emphatically advocate to treat “all reports in this (daif) segment of the Prophet’ biography  parables and embellishments - to be fair to the early biographers, rather than historical facts.

    8.       You have now forced me to open a separate folder on you because i fear you – another Saman Rushdi in the making – though God alone knows the rightly guided. If your intentions is to become popular among the enemies of Islam by wilfully demonizing the Prophet, telling stories about his life and lies about the Qur’an your case rests with God. But if you do are a Muslim and live in a Muslim locality, you risk to pay dearly for your unmitigated condemnation of the icons of faith.

    9.       I as a Muslim have stood before idols in mandirs while accompanying some of my late dad’s Hindu customers and never for a moment held them or their icons of faith in derision. But I find you my antithesis bearing my name.

    10.   If you are writing all these things out of frustration, you henceforth must declare upfront as you have done only in your last but one comment: “I demand to remove all shameful accounts from secondary source of Islam.” Remember what is written is informed by the literary style and mindset of the era and is past history that no one can deconstruct. The ulama cling to them literally as it serves their interest. Hence my (joint) publication calls for treating them as whole in their historical perspective except the part that preserves the noble heritage of the Prophet his companions and details on Islamic rituals. The key recommendations of the book are:

    ·         Therefore, as suggested by some of the eminent Muslim scholars, Muslims must endeavor to take guidance directly from the Qur’an.9 The best way to accomplish this, as the Qur’an advocates, is to probe into it,10 and seek the best meaning,11 as attempted in this work.

    ·         Furthermore, Muslims must endeavor to cultivate an exemplary moral conduct and behavior (uswatun hasana) to do full justice to the heritage of their Prophet (33:21/Ch. 15), and to excel in all good things (that includes lawful pursuits) as enjoined by the Qur’an (2:148/Ch. 16; 5:48/Ch. 9.4).

    ·         There is also a pressing need to substitute the predominantly theological content of the curriculum of traditional religious schools (madrassas) with a focused study of the Qur’an and a comprehensive study of the ever expanding fields of universal sciences and diverse faculties of knowledge that are nothing but the manifestations of the Words (kalimat) of God (18:109, 31:27/Ch. 2.1), that cannot be divided between Islamic and non-Islamic domains (Concluding paragraph, Ch. 10.2).

    ·         As for the theological discourses, notably the Hadith literature, Muslims must not accept them blindly, and cite them freely, without knowing their background and the classification.12 The Hadith remains a critical part of Islamic religion, in so much as it preserves the legacy of the Prophet, no less his companions. However, since this is a very technical field, it should be reserved for enlightened specialists who have attained sufficient maturity, knowledge, and training to distinguish between weak and reliable Hadith, and not to confuse them with the Word of God.      

    ·         Last but not least, there is an over-riding need for the Muslim intelligentsia to protest the demonization of their Holy book by some of their own theologians and jurists, who, in the name of implementing the Qur’anic ordinances, justify blatantly anti-Qur’anic heinous crimes, particularly against womenfolk, as typified by examples that hit the world media in recent years and can be readily accessed on the Internet.13


    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/5/2012 11:39:27 PM



  • Naseer Sb. says, "The solution lies in every Muslim reading the Quran for true guidance."

    The true guidance of the Quran consists of admonitions to be egalitarian, peaceful, righteous, just, law-abiding, compassionate, tolerant and seekers of knowledge.

    Laws, rules, protocols and punishments are time-bound and must be consonant with contemporary ethos and values. The punishments prescribed in the Quran are a great advance over punishments prescribed in the Old Testament 1400 years earlier. Now another 1400 years have passed by but we continue to resist the ijtihad that should have occurred long ago. 


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/5/2012 3:26:53 PM



  • The article 'Coping with critics of Moderate Islam' is a good and informative.
    By Rajiv Kumar Gupta - 9/5/2012 9:46:37 AM



  • Respected muhammad yunus (1) sahib.
    You questioned my up bringing. Before saying something I would like to know which book on Islamic History you approve (perhaps a censored one)?
    Which sirah book you approve?
    Which translation of the noble Quran do you approve?
    You accuse me for insulting the prophet Mohammed(PBUH). I strongly oppose, you are pointing the finger at wrong person.
    Why are you not asking apologies from majority of Muslims who take every hadith literally and consider the Ahadith above any doubt (taken granted as established truth)?
    Are your Madarsa not teaching it with full gusto? Have you ever visited a madarsa and confronted Maulana demanding justification for teaching shameful accounts?

    Yunus sahib I am afraid to say you have done nothing except writing a book and writing on internet.
    In other comments I have demanded that remove those books if you feel insulted by mere quoting.

    If you took 15 years to understand the noble Quran(clear and easy), by reading back-to-back what do you expect from a common man?
    Is the guidance from the noble Quran monopoly of learned persons like you?
    What will happen to those who were following, wahabi, devbandi, Shia, qadyani etc maulanas.
    before your understanding.
    Now come to my upbringing:

    How come Son of our First prophet Adam(As) became first lustful with his own sister, and first murderer of his brother? Please don't bring shaitan in between.
    How come son of the prophet Noah(AS) went astray.
    I can quote the prophet Lot and his daughters too, but you will say that bible is corrupt so I am leaving it unquoted.
    What about the Murderer of Hadharat Uthman(RA)? Who were they? Were not they sons of noble companions of the noble prophet?
    Should I bring more examples?
    Your glorious history has many black pages. I will come to them later.
    Will you accuse me for insulting such great personalities? What was wrong in their upbringing?
    Again I humbly request you to abstain from such accusations.
    I understand your modes-operandi, accuse the quoter to silence the quoter.
    Burn your Ahadith, Sirah and history books if you feel ashamed.
    By mohd yunus - 9/5/2012 9:30:32 AM



  • God said to the Prophet in the Qur’an that if he attempted to make any alteration in it, He would severe his Aorta. The divine voice was forced to adopt a harsh tone. Your insistence to demonize Islam by quoting the daif (untenable, reprehensible, odious, shameful, legendary, and even preposterous) accounts despite my repeated suggestions to refraining from this has forced me to cite the foregoing harsh examples. I am sorry about it but how many times am I going to request you not to vicariously assassinate the characters of our beloved Prophet and His wives. I do not regret having likened you with a snake - deaf, dumb and blind only capable to sting - or a wolf wearing the mask of a goat - playing innocent but ready to gore its prey to death – an evil incarnate – though God knows best.
    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/4/2012 12:42:39 PM
      Muhammad yunus (1) sahib. In above comment you are using God, the Prophet, and the Quran.
    Muslims call Hadharat Mohammed Mustafa Sallalaho Alaihi wa sallam and Quran-e-kareem, Qurane Majeed Noble Quran etc.
    You are using only "the" for respect. Allah deserves more respect. Please Use better Allah Kareem, Haqtala wa subhanahu etc.
    Some Muslims don't like (PBUH), similary Mohd, Md etc for Mohammed Sahib. You have not used salat-o-salam with the Prophet Mohammed(PBUH).

    I apologize for not using respectful words,
    I am a Muslim by birth. If you see my all comments you will not call me Muslim because they are not the beliefs of a Muslim.
    I thank you once again for a lesson on respect.
    I don't apologize for quoting the Ahadith strong or da'if. It is my firm stand.

    I demand to remove all shameful accounts from secondary source of Islam.

    By mohd yunus - 9/5/2012 6:41:15 AM



  • Respected muhammad yunus (1)Saheb.
    Now you are splitting the hair.
    Ok I will call with respect, it is a good demand.
    Thank you for this lesson.

    By mohd yunus - 9/5/2012 6:04:09 AM



  • Fundamentalists and the Literalists

    Christian/Jewish Fundamentalism and Literalism is not the same as Islamic Fundamentalism and Literalism. This distinction must be remembered. The Bible prescribes the following punishments

    1.     Stoning to death for adultery Deuteronomy 22:21

    2.     Stoning to death for apostasy Deuteronomy 13:10

    3.     Stoning to death for homosexuals Leviticus 20:13

    4.     Death for blasphemy Leviticus 24:10-16

    5.     Unprovoked killing of all non-believers 2 Chronicles 15:13

    In Contrast the Quran prescribes:

    1.   A hundred stripes for adultery with stringent rule for establishing the crime that requires four eye witnesses. False accusers are punished with eighty stripes. If the evidence falls short of four witnesses and if there are only three witnesses, these three are awarded the punishment of eighty stripes.

    2.   No punishment for apostasy alone

    3.   No punishment for blasphemy alone

    4.   No punishment for homosexuals

    5.   No unprovoked killing of anyone. No transgression of limits even when fighting those who fight you.

    A Muslim who uses the label of fundamentalist or a literalist to describe the ‘Muslim’ extremists is unwittingly saying that the Quran is equally flawed and cannot be followed literally. All legal and prescriptive verses are meant to be understood and followed literally.

    ‘Pillars of Islam’

    Three of the five `pillars’ of Islam are in verse 2:177 itself and are part of Taqwa. Verse 2:3 also speak of the same three `pillars’ viz, belief, prayer and zakat besides belief in the revelations and belief in the hereafter  and these are described as those on true guidance and those who will find guidance in the Book. There are 112 verses in the Quran regarding the need to be steadfast in prayer and an equal number for zakat and many more for belief in God.

    In the early days of Islam everyone earned their living through a vocation or business. No one `lived off’ his religion. Today most imams rely on their income as imams for a living. For them it is a job and for many of them, it is nothing more. Belief evaporates the moment the motives become impure. While I would agree that for this category of people, prayer may do no good, for the common man, if he prays five times a day, for no other reason except for the love of God, is a better person than one who does not. I admit that there are many exceptions where a person shows greater Taqwa but does not pray, but invariably, such exceptional people are those who do not run down those who do pray or belittle the practice.

    While I do agree that most Muslims stop at these five pillars and do not read the Quran and go beyond and inculcate the moral values and standards of behaviour expected of every Muslim, is that not true of even those who do not observe the 'pillars'?

    The solution lies in every Muslim reading the Quran for true guidance. Reading of a simple, unadorned and literal translation is enough. The Mullah's can be put in their place only when the common Muslims equip themselves with the knowledge of the Quran.

    The Quran is not a difficult book to understand and does not require commentary, text or the help of scholars notwithstanding the fact that there are many who speak about the need for all these. Show me a passage (not single isolated verses) that creates difficulty if taken literally if you disagree. 


    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/5/2012 3:20:23 AM



  • Respected muhammad yunus (1) sahib. Here I request you to refer Quran 33:37 and explain its shan-e-nuzul, without quoting Ahadith meaning etc. I don't want any hadith. I want to know what good it brought to Muslims or humanity? what are the sequels?

    I have read from other sites.

    I am keeping my words, neither I am bringing Ahadith nor I am assassinating the character of prophet.
    The answer should be very clear in easy language.
    My dialogue with you will be on Quran within decency.
    I will ask questions later.
    I don't consider you physically mentally spiritually dwarf as you said somewhere.

    By mohd yunus - 9/5/2012 1:03:20 AM



  • God said to the Prophet in the Qur’an that if he attempted to make any alteration in it, He would severe his Aorta. The divine voice was forced to adopt a harsh tone. Your insistence to demonize Islam by quoting the daif (untenable, reprehensible, odious, shameful, legendary, and even preposterous) accounts despite my repeated suggestions to refraining from this has forced me to cite the foregoing harsh examples. I am sorry about it but how many times am I going to request you not to vicariously assassinate the characters of our beloved Prophet and His wives. I do not regret having likened you with a snake - deaf, dumb and blind only capable to sting - or a wolf wearing the mask of a goat - playing innocent but ready to gore its prey to death – an evil incarnate – though God knows best.
    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/4/2012 12:42:39 PM

    I will bring some verses from Quran. Problem is you may say, it is out of context, you have chosen wrong translation, your intention is wrong, you are the enemy, you could have selected best meaning these are allegorical verses etc.
    I ask again why mutashabihat verese are in the Quran? Whome Allah want delude by these Mutashabihat. Quran is supposed to be clear, and easy guidebook. You say think it like a diary? Why should I think in that way. Well it may not be Allaha's intention. Allah knows the best
    I don't beg you to feel regret calling snake, wolf etc.
    By mohd yunus - 9/5/2012 12:40:25 AM



  • Salafi, Wahhabi, Tablighi, fundamentalist, literalist, Islamist etc. are not just labels, they are very useful shorthand to convey very valid concepts. Without them writing an article or even a comment would become a lengthy and tiresome chore. They are welcome to our discussions but in my interactions with some of the Wahabis and Tablighis, all they told me was that I was not a true Muslim and I was sure to go to Hell because I did not agree with their conviction that all other religions are fake.

    It is a fallacy to allege that opposing them means we are trying to join the rest of the world against our own. Our opposition to coercion, violence, intolerance, dogmatism, suppression of women and using inhuman methods of punishing criminals comes from our own thinking and sensibility, and is not a ruse to win the approval of others. There are  a lot of similarities in the outlooks of  what we may call the right thinking Muslims, Hindus, Christians and others. That does not mean we have sold out to them.

    The distinguishing feature of moderates is that we keep rationality, common sense, a conciliatory attitude, love for humanity and respect for the religions of others at the forefront. None of that is inconsistent with the Quran.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/5/2012 12:29:53 AM



  • Mohd. Yunus. In your last commentary, you address me as ‘Janab Muhammad Yunus Saheb’, and in the body of your comment, you state “How do you know about Mohammed, By Quran How?”

    Now why do you show me far greater respect than my namesake Prophet of God dead for over14 centuries, regarded by me as well as nearly a billion and a half Muslims of the world in utmost respect. At least call him Prophet Muhammad. At least refer to the Qur’an as The Noble Qur’an or ‘the Qur’an’. Anyway these manners come from family upbringing. They only reflect your early life grooming and family heritage. But you can try to learn please. Be courteous even to your enemies, let alone the man whom you regard as God’s Prophet - if you are indeed a Muslim. But of course, if you are a non-Muslim Islam hater, planted on this website to spread venom against its Prophet, which your unsympathetic Islam critical comments are increasingly indicating – then that is a different matter.

    Please post your apology if you are indeed a Muslim.


    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/4/2012 11:10:24 PM



  • mohd. yunus. You never answer the question I raise.  My question tabled allegorically as a sequel to a long chain of comments was as follows:


    "Say you have a younger sister Karina (arbitrary name), a chaste girl most dear to you. John says falsely in the bar that he embedded her. Now if Luis quotes John to tell you that Karina, who you think is as noble as angel had illegal sexual relation with John, would you not be angered?

    You have simply ducked this. Playing John, you are insisting to make public all the calumnies that is uttered by Luis about and chaste and noble Karina. You only convince me of the accuracy of my following seemingly unkind remark in my joint publication in relation to the mindset of those who are overwhelmed by the Hadith corpus:


    “since the literary style, setting, paradigms, and dialectical constructions of the Hadith literature date back to the early medieval era, their continued teaching and propagation, such as in traditional religious schools (madrassas), can adversely impact the mental development of the students, shackling their power of reasoning and virtually freezing their intellect into the early medieval era." [p. 342]:

     
    I request you once again, to refrain from quoting utterly daif (untenable, reprehensible, odious, shameful, legendary, and even preposterous) accounts to demonise the Prophet who is held in utmost respect by all Muslims and do not indulge in seductive talks against his wives, who to the Muslisms are like their mothers. Put yourself in the shoes of Karina’s brother in the above mentioned arbitrary example. Would you like Luis to quote John about his allegedly sexual relation with Karina your chaste and noble sister. I would have used the word ‘amorous’ rather than ‘sexual’ but this word may go above your head as have my series of solicitation so far. So I had to be explicit.


    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/4/2012 10:51:21 PM



  • Respected Mohammed Yunus(1) Sahib. You will not allow me to sit idle. Thank you addressing me.
    I can feel your pain(being a devout Muslim), at the same time I am also in pain due to Muslims.
    My main issue is with faith in general and Islamic faith particular for example predestination, creation plan of Allah etc. While I respect your sincerity  (I need not to impress you) at the same time I under stand what place Mohammed have among devout Muslims. Excuse me for repetition, If I quote Ahadith (you are reluctant I am not for many reasons), and it puts Prophet in bad picture, Am I at fault? Let me suppose (as you say some of critics may be receiving money to defame Islam) I am one of them I can say same thing about Sultan sahib as some Muslims says. It is no argument at all. I don't deny their presence. But the critics are attacked by this absurd argument.  Will it make my stand baseless? You have admitted it in your comments addressed to The Editor.
    Mohammed and His family will come in discussion because Quran says Muslims must Emulate Mohammed. How do you know about Mohammed, By Quran How much? By Ahadith yes, every thing. Now you want  selected ahadith for your purpose making Quran as a judge. Fine It is your right, but we have also right. Quran's evidence is not enough. It provides meager information, it doesn't deter true Muslims. 
    I have strong opinion terrorist(True Muslims in their sense) are as valid as you are. You are not sacrificing your life in the love of prophet. They are killing and getting killed. You say they are misguided. World sees their love for prophet not you.  to be continued....

    I sincerely regret if my words put you in pain, but I am fair in quoting Ahadith. The words insulted prophet are not mine. More has to come. I make sure I will not use my words

    By mohd yunus - 9/4/2012 9:08:43 PM



  • I wholeheartedly second Sultan Shahin sahib's call to moderate Muslims to take heart, to come together and to strengthen our cause. We seem to be pulled by forces of fanaticism in one direction and apostasy in the other. Let us continue to pursue our middle course.

    Objectionable teachings exist in the scriptures and apocrypha of all religions but other religions have been able to either shed or suppress them. We have lent an air of holiness to a lot of books that do not deserve it. The vast bulk of Islamic literature can be discarded. We should depend more on our independent thinking and our common sense than on the written word. We should depend more on intelligent interpretation than on literalism.

    The more we use our innate sense of righteousness and justice the better Muslims we shall be. And let us shun extremism, dogmatism and fanaticism like the plague.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 9/4/2012 4:49:17 PM



  • mohd yunus. If X quotes Y's remarks purporting to implicate your mom or your dad in a shameful affair (arbitrary example of course), would you not think X is trying to insult you. For the Muslims the Prophet is no less respected than their fathers and his wives are like their mothers. You  (X in the above analogy) deliberately and cunningly insult the sentiments of the devout Muslims by quoting the enemies of Islam (Y).


    Say you have a younger sister Karina (arbitrary name), a chaste girl most dear to you. John says falsely in the bar that he embedded her. Now if Luis quotes John to tell you that Karina, who you think is as noble as angel had illegal sexual relation with John, would you not be angered? Do my words make any sense now?

    I have written long explanatory commentaries to you soliciting you not to quote secondary sources (Johns/Y's) to maligning the Prophet and his wife (Karina in above example) but you insist on doing this. Do you want me to be more crude?


    God said to the Prophet in the Qur’an that if he attempted to make any alteration in it, He would severe his Aorta. The divine voice was forced to adopt a harsh tone. Your insistence to demonize Islam by quoting the daif (untenable, reprehensible, odious, shameful, legendary, and even preposterous) accounts despite my repeated suggestions to refraining from this has forced me to cite the foregoing harsh examples. I am sorry about it but how many times am I going to request you not to vicariously assassinate the characters of our beloved Prophet and His wives. I do not regret having likened you with a snake - deaf, dumb and blind only capable to sting - or a wolf wearing the mask of a goat - playing innocent but ready to gore its prey to death – an evil incarnate – though God knows best.

    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/4/2012 12:42:39 PM



  • Dear Sultan Shahin Sb,

     

    Thanks for the detailed response.

    The point that I was making was that we should desist from using labels as an argument. Avoiding using the labels forces us to be specific about what we do not like about say Naik or the Salafis or the Tablighis without demonizing them totally. How can we communicate with these groups if we demonize them without being specific about what we do not like? 

    The fear of being blown up by terrorists is overdone. This is what Daniel Kahneman an Israeli Psychologist and winner of Nobel Prize in economics has to say:

    “In today’s world, terrorists are the most significant practitioners of the art of inducing availability cascades. With a few horrible exceptions such as 9/11, the number of casualties from terror attacks is very small relative to other causes of death. Even in countries that have been targets of intensive terror campaigns, such as Israel, the weekly number of casualties almost never came close to the number of traffic deaths. The difference is in the availability of the two risks, the ease and the frequency with which they come to mind. Gruesome images, endlessly repeated in the media, cause everyone to be on edge. As I know from experience, it is difficult to reason oneself into a state of complete calm. Terrorism speaks directly to System 1. 

    A further point to note is that while there are deaths due to traffic every week of the year in Israel and elsewhere, terrorist incidents are only in a couple of weeks of the year, and when these occur, the number of deaths in the terrorist incident are less than the number of deaths due to accidents in the same week.. Worldwide, the number of deaths due to terrorist acts in a year are less than the number of deaths due to accidents in a single day and also less than the number of deaths due to people falling off stairs or being gored by an animal or due to medical malpractice and we are talking about all acts of terrorism and not just from the Jehadis.

    The point that I would like to make to the Jehadis is precisely this - no government is fooled into thinking that they represent a credible threat. Some governments take advantage of the fear that terrorist acts generate to justify their wars “on terror”. The Jehadis are therefore playing into the hands of their ‘enemy’ and are helping their cause while they think that they are doing good which they are not in any case.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/4/2012 12:18:42 PM



  • The article by Mr Sultan Shahin Sb is a very useful contribution which will serve as the foundation stone of the liberation of the Muslim world from the clutches of irresponsible Muslim leaders and fake Islamic scholars who are busy in passing baseless Fatawas contrary to Islamic teachings.

    It will also help fight against the hypocrites who have disguised themselves behind the veil of Muslims, but, in actual practice, they are not the well-wishers of Muslims in any sense except possessing a Muslim name for a particular purpose; they are more dangerous than an open opposition. Such people are trying to damage the religion at the vey root by spreading misconception among the masses. They openly denounce or reject the existence of Allah, the Creator or His prophet (saw) simply to provoke Muslims and infuriate them.
    The five pillars are the pre-requisites of being a perfect Muslim before Allah, how liberal we may be, but we should not forget and must believe that without the fundamentals of Islam, a Muslim is just like a nominal Muslim who is happy having a “Muslim name” and eating “Bade ka”.

    I agree with Mr. Naseer Ahmed Sb that fundamentals in every subject are of utmost importance, and in absence of that we are unable to build the structure of our knowledge to the greater heights. Such a person may be a great Islamic scholar or worldly scholar in other sense, but as far as the case of being righteous is concerned, we must start from the ABC of Islam then only we may take the initiative to correct the flaws within Islam or rectify the wrong practices, conception or understanding among the Muslims to create a better image of Islam before the world.

     I just finished the highly informative content written by none other than the great Islamic scholar Janab Mohammad Younus Sb (1) making me wiser, at least better-informed regarding the compilation of Ahadith of all kinds, Sahih or Daif, understanding the divinity of Qur’an and correlation of Ahadith with the normal practice of Islam. Insha Allah it will generate a great debate upon the divinity, sanctity, perfection and significance of Quran and Islamic Sharia Law as well as the importance and validity of Ahadith.
    By Raihan Nezami - 9/4/2012 12:12:36 PM



  • Dear Aiman Reyaz sahib. You invited me to some your articles. I didn't agree with you. I may have reacted badly. You were calm.
    It is not necessary to agree. If all could agree there was no need of this site.
    I will post my disagreement within decency. I request you to ignore my previous indecency.
    My sincere best wishes for you.
    By mohd yunus - 9/4/2012 10:38:33 AM



  • Dear Sultan sahib. Thank you very much. I will not eat your valuable time.
    I don't care if you agree or disagree with me. Same thing for Mr sadaf and Mr Nezami.
    Mr Nezami said that I must add (PBUH) when mentioning with prophet. He quoted a Hadith too to declare me jahannami on this basis. He is a role model for them not for me.
    I remember Mr Ghulam Mohiyuddin was not using (PBUH) with prophet. Some commentator insisted and Mr Ghulam politely said that He does not feel it is necessary. 
    I will try my best from my side not to insult. I apologize If intentionally or unintentionally insulted anyone.
    If I quote from Islamic sources and it contains derogatory material and commentators feel insulted, I will not take responsibility. I believe it happened.
    I once again request you to warn me if I cross the limit of decency. Thanks again.
    By mohd yunus - 9/4/2012 10:19:52 AM



  • Dear Sultan Saheb,

    I will like to make the following comments, to be read closely, one by one – given the gravity of the problem facing the community as the article ably demonstrates:

    1.      The fundamental problem with all categories of Muslims - the subsets of orthodox Islam, the advocates of the Classical Sharia law (Islamists), the in-house demonizers of Islamic faith (my namesake for example) the ex-Muslims for example is that they not only venerate the secondary Islamic sources (Hadith, Classical Islamic Shari and Sira) but also privilege them over the Qur’an. If I were as to speak in crude language, these are the sort of people who, in the Qur’anic noble terminology seek the easiest path. What can be more satisfying to a lustful and criminal minded Muslim than some of so called ‘daif’ accounts which I have paraphrased as “accounts that sound most bizarre and purport to provoke sexuality, induce terrorism, foment inter-faith hatred, and stand deeply misogynist, scientifically untenable, self contradictory and Qur’an-incompatible.”

    Ref: My extensively researched article:

    Defending the Hadith and its Compilers – the Great Imams who are sometimes misunderstood and even reviled  [1]

    2.      Deriding the compilers of these accounts your article purports to do is grossly unjust. Why they retained such accounts is explained in my above article as follows:

    “The early compilers confronted hundreds of thousands of accounts in oral circulation and applied the prevalent isnad (integrity of narrators in the transmission chain) based screening methodology to accomplish their works. Human reason was in its primitive form and what appears most bizarre and grotesque today, did not register as such in the minds of the common people of Islam’s early centuries, as they were accustomed to believe in legends and fairy tales. The great Imams, who were among the most learned in their era, were cognizant of the ingress of forged and fabricated ahadith in their compilations, but they were not in a position to delete the suspect ahadith as long as they met their criteria of screening. Accordingly they warned the community and posterity about it. This happened a little over two centuries after the Prophet’s death. The canonization of the Hadith as indirect revelation and repository of all worldly knowledge happened after another two centuries or so.”

    3.      Who are responsible for popularizing the accounts graded as daif (literary, euphemism for untenable, reprehensible, odious, shameful, legendary, and even preposterous, re-paraphrased now) that the early Muslims understood as well as we understand what ‘bedding’ with a woman, exactly means. The referenced article also identified the community of people for doing no further scrutiny of the early accounts as follows:

    “The problem therefore lies with the orthodoxy for failing to carry out any further scrutiny of the ahadith over the last millennium. The problem also lies with some of the ulalma as well as secular minded anti-Islamic Muslims and non-Muslims who selectively pick preposterous and anti-Qur’anic ahadith to launch fatwas and make high sounding statements to demonize Islam, and to bring shame and disgrace to the early compilers of Hadith.”

    4.      Do we have to be ashamed of the contents of our theological sources, notably the Hadith and the Classical Islamic Law.

     Not at all! Here again the enlightened Muslims including probably yourself make a gross mistake. The truth is captured as follows in two of my articles on related themes:

    For its era, the knowledge contained in the Hadith enabled the growing Muslim community to lead a peaceful, harmonious and progressive life and contributed to the consolidation of the civil society of Islam. Besides, and more importantly, it preserves the heritage of the Prophet and that of his companions. Hence, the contribution of Hadith in the history of Islam remains paramount, and anybody with slightest familiarity of the ethical and moral depravity (by this day’s ethos) of the rival civilizations of the medieval ages, can only admire the compilers of the ahadith in the superlatives.” Ref. Article [1] referred above 

    “Down the centuries, it (the Classical Sharia Law) enabled the Islamic civilization to offer enormously higher standards of justice, peace and security of life and property to the common people than the other major contemporaneous civilizations. It was also the bedrock of pluralism that enabled the minority to flourish, live in harmony with the Muslims - such as in Spain, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, India, and preserve its own heritage and language - Aramic is still spoken in Damascus, the seat of the Umayyads (661-750) – the first Islamic (dynastic) Caliphate. It was by far the best system of law for almost a thousand years of human history as testified by the highest echelon of Western scholarship.”

    Ref: The Classical Islamic Law (Islamic Sharia Law) is NOT a Word of God! [2]

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamicShariaLaws_1.aspx?ArticleID=5714

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamicShariaLaws_1.aspx?ArticleID=5723

     

    5.      What is the way out of this mess?

    This is explored in the conclusive part of my joint publication, [Essential Message of Islam] which is not only a focused exegetic work but also covers, among other things, as the points noted above in a consolidated book:

    Considering the canonized Hadith as we have in our hands today, on their face value as truths supplementing and complementing the Qur’an as many orthodox scholars advocate, or indirect inspiration as the classical theory of Islamic law suggests,5  may lead to the following, to the great detriment of the Muslim community:

    ·         The vast majority of Muslims, lay or educated, will have neither time, nor the necessary books, nor the scholarship to explore their expansive domains.

    ·         Different individuals, agencies, groups and states, will be able to pick conveniently from their theological sources to legitimize their views and deeds in the whole range of matters concerning their societies. Such matters could be of social, political or theological nature, or pertain to statecraft, educational curriculum and women’s status, for example. Likewise, they will be able to enter into polemics, and have their clerics pass fatwas against conflicting views on all such matters.

    ·         They will be questioning the completeness of the Qur’an as a font of guidance and divine criteria of right and wrong, despite its claim to be a book of wisdom that makes things clear with all kinds of illustrations and elaboration (Notes 7-10/Preface).

    ·         Their theologians will continue to nurture and perpetuate the thought process, scholastic disposition, and paradigms that were normative in the early centuries of Islam and characterize the Hadith literature, that is revered and taught by them, and thus keep those Muslims under their direct influence, intellectually rooted in that era, with grave consequences.

    ·         The modern Kharijites6 and Qaramites7 of Islam – the violent extremists, active in many countries of the world, will reduce Islam, in the eyes of the non-Muslims exposed to a patently biased media,8 to a cult of terrorism and suicide bombing, creating enormous difficulties for the common peace loving and law abiding Muslims settled in predominantly secular and non-Muslim societies.     

    Therefore, as suggested by some of the eminent Muslim scholars, Muslims must endeavour to take guidance directly from the Qur’an.9 The best way to accomplish this, as the Qur’an advocates, is to probe into it,10 and seek the best meaning,11 as attempted in this work. [p.362/363]

    6.       Why did my referenced articles failed to generate much debate, which a joker compared with a bland food not palatable is also captured in my referred joint publication as follows:

    “Hadith literature date back to the early medieval era, their continued teaching and propagation, such as in traditional religious schools (madrassas), can adversely impact the mental development of the students, shackling their power of reasoning and virtually freezing their intellect into the early medieval era.” [p. 342]

    Like semiliterate sexually obsessed in a university library go only for the books that may cater to their lust, the publicity hungry Muslims scholarship (not all the Muslims of course) – Abul Ala Moududi for example and my namesake category (on this website) of liberals, and a section of salafis and wahhabis, and orthodoxy look for the daif (untenable, reprehensible, odious, shameful, legendary, and even preposterous) and simply refuse to approach the Qur’an.

     

    7.      I had done an article on the remoteness of the Muslims from the Qur’anic ideals that traced this malaise as follows:

    8.      “As the Islamic civilization was taking long strides of advancement, its orthodox theologians and ulamas were striving unceasingly to freeze it at their era, in direct contradiction to the letter and spirit of the Qur’an. Thus, they set aside the guidance of the Qur’an and venerated theological discourses –notably the Hadith and the classical Islamic law as the necessary and sufficient vehicles for understanding and implementing the Qur’anic message. These were the ahl al Hadith - the orthodoxy. They advocated that all that had to be learnt had already been learnt during the Prophet’s time, and was contained in the Qur’an and the Prophet’s normative ways (Sunnah), and the posterity was expected to simply imitate them [9]. This resulted in stagnancy of knowledge, abhorrence against any scientific advancement, and division of universal knowledge into Islamic and European categories [10] – the former foreclosed for all time and the latter growing exponentially. Their retrogressive views were opposed by the rationalist theologians of the era – the ahl al kalam, who advocated pursuit of knowledge in all fields, and promoted material prosperity within the framework of the Qur'an. However, the orthodoxy prevailed and intellectual activity in Islam came to a virtual halt.  This happened around the end of the fourth century of Islam, marked the beginning of the decline of Islamic civilization, and set this faith and its followers on a path of decline.  

    Following continued decline for almost a millennium through to the present era, punctuated by occasional upsurge in broad historical timeframe, the Muslims have fallen into the lowest depths of a pit of failure. Any comparative assessment of the deprivations, sufferings and injustices faced by the diverse confessional communities at this juncture of history will single out the Muslims as the most deprived, devastated and uprooted community, and the biggest victims of human rights violations. From domestic violence against their own womenfolk to internecine conflicts, sectarian violence, terrorism, just and unjust wars, forced confinement in war zones and collective punishment in the name of sanctions, to the psychological trauma of Islamophobia and trivialization and marginalization in the pre-dominantly non-Muslim countries, the Muslims have the greatest share of sufferings and humiliation in the present day world. Likewise, any comparative analysis of achievements in the diverse lawful pursuits and arenas of life (professional fields, academy, bureaucracy, sports, art and culture for example) will find the Muslims as the poorest and obscurest performer.

    Ref: The Muslims’ ignorance /disregard of the Qur’anic guidance and its Colossal and Recurring Cost.

    http://newageislam.com/islamic-ideology/muhammad-yunus,-new-age-islam/the-muslims’-ignorance-/disregard-of-the-qur’anic-guidance-and-its-colossal-and-recurring-cost/d/7795

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      I think this is enough for the moment. Let this trigger a debate if faith in the divinity of the Qur’an has not completely left the Muslims. And it has left the Muslims, I am only concerned about myself and God has no common boundary with humanity. It is for the Muslims to leave Islam or to conflate it with something which is no more than the human effort to capture divine speech in the Medieval ages and live in ignominy – either as the likes of sexually obsessed, figuratively illustrated above or enemies of Islam or their agents or demonisers of Islam or fanatics, extremists, radicals and what have you. From my side, my only task is to act as witness to the faith (2:143), and it is for the fellow Muslims to take the issue seriously or trivially  or simply duck it.


    By muhammad yunus (1) - 9/4/2012 9:39:49 AM



  • Dear Mohd Yunus Saheb (2), You have absolutely nothing to fear from me. Even the idea of someone fearing me is novel to me. I am not in the business of killing critics of Islam. I am myself a critic of many things that many Muslims consider as fundamental parts of Islam. The idea of pillars, for instance. Or Islam-supremacism. I have denounced this mercilessly in all the fora available to me.

    I may agree or disagree with you on any point but as editor it is my responsibility to see that all honoured guests on the site respect each other and engage in a serious discourse within the limits of decency and decorum. Even the bitterest and angriest comments can be made in decent language.

    Mr. Sadaf and probably Mr Raihan Nezami – although he has not expressed himself – are angry with me or with the site. I deleted a couple of words from one comment from each of them that I found indecent for a civilized discourse. Mr. Sadaf says that while I have allowed you to insult others I am not allowing them to insult you. I don’t think we should be trading insults at all. I can see even the most senior commentators on the site exasperated by your comments. But as long as comments are coached in a decent language they are allowed. Abuse is not.

    I may have made a mistake. I may have allowed some abuse or insult on your part to go on the site. There are other editors and moderators for comments on the site. They too can overlook something. If that is the case, someone only needs to point out. If they do not want to repeat the insult in a posted comment, they can ask me to only read the comment and not post it or not post that portion. They can even write to me: editor@newageislam.com I would request readers to remain vigilant and report to me if we make any mistakes. I can assure Mr. Sadaf that I cannot knowingly allow anyone to insult him.

    You have asked me for my agenda. Well, I just want an open discourse. I have my thoughts and I want to present them too in discussions.

     It used to be said that Muslims simply cannot debate openly; they are so rigid in their sectarian beliefs. New Age Islam has proved that wrong. Muslims can debate even the most difficult, complex issues with layers of historical baggage piled on them. And debate fruitfully. Not just empty debate. I have seen on the site people changing their views. Aiman Reyaz has written how he changed his views after reflecting on what he was reading on the NewAgeIslam.com.  There are others who say that too. Some others are not even conscious of that change. But I can see that they have, though they sometimes tend to go back to their original way of thinking and then again come back to moderation and so on, but clearly the process of change is evident, probably more to others than to them.

    If you want to know my views on various issues, you will have to read my write-ups. Agenda of New Age Islam is just this: Open discourse on all issues concerning Muslims and Islam and rethinking various settled issues in that process.


    By Sultan Shahin - 9/4/2012 9:00:50 AM



  • Dear Sultan Shahin sahib. I read you response to Mr Naseer Ahmed. I find myself wordless. You have spoken what is in my heart. You gave space for us to say something. Many time I wanted to say good bye to this site but could not do that. You are listening our voices.
    According to Muslims including Nasser sahib, Non-Muslims will enjoy in this world only for their moral actions. In akhirat they have no portion. This is my fundamental disagreement with Muslims. 
    I don't claim that I am a very good person. I am like common who have some good some bad portion.
     I am fighting for Non-Muslims, neither they asked me to do so, nor I want something in return. I feel sympathy for them because due to many reasons they are not Muslims. Even many are UN-belivers. I find myself in their category.

    Since I am not a believer. Instead of prayer I extend you my best possible wishes for your success.
    Sorry if there is a repetition.
    By mohd yunus - 9/4/2012 8:38:44 AM



  • Dear Naseer Ahmed Saheb, thanks very much indeed for taking time out to join the issue and giving your perceptions about what New Age Islam is doing, right or wrong. I would just like to make the following points:

    1.    It seems your main problem is with the labels we use. I am entirely with you on that. I would love to call myself a fundamentlist, as Mahathir Mohamad once said he would. But I have the same problem that he had. If we do so, we create a completely wrong image of ourselves. The connotation of the word, starting from Christian fundamentalists, has completely changed and become contrary to what we think it should mean.

    As far as I know all terms are inadequate and convey meaning somewhat different from what is intended. But people develop a certain sense of what they mean.

    I would request you to suggest alternatives. How do you think we should describe Wahhabis, Salafis, Deobandis, Barelvis, Shias, Sunnis, Yazeedis, Ismailis, Islamists, Terrorists, Militants, Tableeghis, Extremists, Moderates, Islamo-fascists, Liberals, Mullahs, Fundamentalists, Muslims, Hindus. I will have no problem adopting your nomenclature if it conveys the same sense in a better way. Indeed, I will be grateful, as I am myself acutely aware of the inadequacy of all these terms.

     2.    I do not disown Islamists. Indeed, I recommend to moderate, liberal Muslims not to do so. Many people do. Indeed, after 9/11 that was the first reaction of many Muslims including me. I once wrote that Jihadism is a new religion, kufr, not Islam. But after reflection I realized that Islamists have always been a part of us right from the time of Hazrat Ali. They made their first appearance at that time and were called Kharjis (secedes). They were defeated and even supposedly exterminated many a time but they always came back and were for a time very influential too in what is considered the Golden era of Islam. So we cannot really disown them, even by calling them seceders. They have been and are a part of us and we should always acknowledge this even while distancing ourselves from them. (Ziauddin Sardar’s reflections on this issue also helped me reach this conclusion.)

    3.    I do not see things in black and white. I partly agree and disagree with practically every one. I agree in part with practically every one that I condemn. I see good and bad in everyone including myself. Like Somerset Maugham I see so many shortcomings in myself that it becomes difficult for me to criticize, much less condemn others. However, while condemning evil, I do criticise and even condemn some people when absolutely imperative. That’s why New Age Islam is so open to all sorts of criticism of every one by any one written in a decent language. I have published a statement by Zakir Naik’s office that came to us by way of explanation on some article. I am willing to publish a statement by Yazid in his defence or present day Yazidis including Zakir Naik in Yazid’s defence. Then, of course, we will discuss and debate that.

     4.    There are no pillars in Islam. The very word pillar is non-existent. God Himself demolished this theory by saying it is not Taqwa to face east or west in prayers in the very first sentence of the definition of Taqwa which can probably be called the foundation of Islam. Pillars are an invention of people who, knowingly or unknowingly, want to keep Muslims confined to namaz, roza and thinking that they have acquired taqwa and are superior to others. The self-righteousness of namazis is to be seen to be beloved. God knew this would happen. Hence the disclaimer in the very first sentence of the verse defining Taqwa:

    It Is NOT TAQWA That You Turn Your Faces Toward East Or West, But It Is Taqwa to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book and the MESSENGERS, to spend of your substance OUT OF LOVE for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for The Ransom Of Slaves; to be steadfast in prayer and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts you have made; to be firm and patient, in pain and adversity. Those are the truthful and those are the muttaqun.” [Qur’an 2:177] (Emphasis mine.)

    5.    It not a correct impression that New Age Islam is more interested in an intercourse with the rest of the word than a discourse within the community. Let me quote your impression in full:

    “The forum while claiming to be inclusive as far as the rest of the World is concerned, is unbelievably short sighted and exclusivist when it concerns the Muslim community. May be that is its way of proving its credentials to the rest of the World. What I hear the message of the forum to be is “Yes, the extremists, the scholars and Mullahs, the Salafis, the Wahhabis the Naiks” etc etc are scum of the earth and we are not part of them. We are with you in condemning them - rather we will lead you in fighting them.”

    Our credentials are no different than that of the community. For the outside world we are all one, no matter what we say. By the outside world I am as much considered a terrorist as any other Muslim. Look at how people address me in Europe while wanting to know more about Islam. Invariably they couch their sentences in this way: “We go to our churches, pray, shake hands with fellow Christians and come home in a glow of spiritual harmony. You go to your church, with a suicide belt on, kill yourself and fellow Muslims and think your God will send you to Heaven where 72 houris and other worldly temptations are awaiting you. What kind of a religion is this?” Do you think they see any difference between me and the Islamist terrorist? And will it be right for me to blame them?  

    Even by declaring yourself an ex-Muslim, you do not protect yourself from the image that Salafis and Islamist terrorists have created for you. Until, of course you change your name and bearing. Even that may not save you really. Sikhs have been regularly mistaken for Muslims and harassed and killed since 9/11.

    Actually our focus is not even on a discourse about violence and peace. It is rethinking Islam for adapting to the needs of the present and future. I think of the future that is awaiting us a millennium ahead, try to see the trends of where our coming generations are likely to go and wonder how we can adapt to the needs of those periods, of course beginning with out own.

    Doors of ijtehad were closed by our great ulema a millennium ago; we are in the situation we are in as a result. This massive door has be coaxed open, Muslims have to start thinking afresh. And for this we have to value our thinking people; not all of us are. These thinking people may be going astray. It is these people we have to engage in discourse with; listen to their woes and formulate answers to their queries. But for of all this, we have to ourselves clarify our thoughts. No one of us is the fount of wisdom.

    That’s why we need a global forum from where all Muslims regardless of their ideological bent of mind can share their thoughts, even argue with one another and thus lead to an advancement of thought, probably a consensus, on some issues. Apostates have as much right to share their thoughts and doubts with us as do Islamists. Have I ever stopped any one from having their say? I only stop people from seeking to stop others.

    Why do non-Muslims come on the site and say what they have to say about Islam? Well, they are studying Islam in large numbers. They are going to original sources revered by all Muslims and finding pornography, violence. We are not prepared to denounce these. They are getting more worried. They have a reason to get worried. They think, wrongly, that they are going to be the next targets of Islamist terrorists. But their number will come later. The first target of these terrorists is the mainstream Muslims who don’t agree with them. Only when they have converted or eliminated the entire apostate Muslim community – approximately 90 per cent of us - they will think of the so-called kafirs. They have not hidden their agenda. But non-Muslims do not understand and are worried. Actually, it is us for whom time is running out.

     

    Naturally, when your house is on fire, you are in the middle of a war, you think of protecting yourself and then only plan for future and take an inventory of your past, etc. So, I admit, our discourse tends to get more focussed on the issues of contemporary relevance, war and peace, co-existence with other communities etc.  But that cannot be helped for the moment. However, that is not our main goal. That is only a part of our agenda which is getting too much attention for obvious reasons.


    By Sultan Shahin - 9/4/2012 7:43:18 AM



  • Dear Sultan Shahin Sb,

    I would like to share some of my thoughts with you and the community of New Age Islam.

    My brother in law sent me a link to the site and my association with New Age Islam began with a visit to the site on 9th July and a response to Jay Walker. Let me share my impressions of the website and what I think it is doing right and what I think it is doing wrong. First and foremost, what is its vision, mission and goals?

    From what I have gathered from my association, the site is a platform for:

    1. The educated liberal Muslim to show to the World that he believes in pluralism, muliti-culturalism, tolerance, respect for all faiths inclusiveness, science, progress, gender equality etc etc.

    2. Influence the Muslim community to adopt its values and prescriptions

     

    These are laudable objectives.

    What is it actually doing?

    1. The forum while claiming to be inclusive as far as the rest of the World is concerned, is unbelievably short sighted and exclusivist when it concerns the Muslim community. May be that is its way of proving its credentials to the rest of the World. What I hear the message of the forum to be is “Yes, the extremists, the scholars and Mullahs, the Salafis, the Wahhabis the Naiks” etc etc are scum of the earth and we are not part of them. We are with you in condemning them - rather we will lead you in fighting them.

    I am afraid that the World will not buy this argument. We may be trying to protect our own World but we will be consumed with the rest. That is the lesson from history. The other clear danger is that it will remain a forum with a small following and little influence outside its own members.

    My objection to using the word Islamism and Islamist also stem from the thinking that by doing so we disown a part of our own society and join hands with the rest of the World by using their terminology which I think breeds prejudice of the type that resulted in the holocaust. We are hunting with the hounds. I condemn terrorism on moral and religious grounds as well as because it is downright stupid for the weak to follow an aggressive policy and invite further misery. Turning the other cheek is the right policy under the circumstances. However, I will be the last person to ‘disown’ the problem and blame it on the Salafis, Wahhabis etc. By disowning the problem, we cannot solve it nor save ourselves from the consequences, however much we may show ourselves to be different.

    Saif Shahin is arguing in his column that we are many things and our identity is multi faceted but this insight is not reflected in the way we deal with the community of Mullahs, Tablighis, Salafis , Wahhabis, admirers of Naik etc. Everyone is painted with the same brush antagonizing a large number of people whom we could otherwise attract and influence.

    I am no supporter of Naik and equally condemn his methods but he is not without his plus points for which he has a large following. In a situation where the Muslim suffers from enormous self doubts, people like Naik have a therapeutic value. They seek persons like Naik to gain a false sense of worth because there are not many good alternatives. I do not see New Age Islam filling the gap as it only creates doubts about what it stands for and alienates people by its openly hostile stance to large communities of Muslims.

    The Mullahs and the terrorists cannot be disowned and distanced either. We need to be sending appropriate messages to all inviting them to an enlightened vision for the Muslim community. We need to worry less about the non-Muslims and worry more about the Muslims. The World will discover on its own what we are and what we stand for. Right now, I see the forum focused on telling the non-Muslim World what we are by telling them what we are not. We therefore lampoon and criticise our own scholars and community including our five pillars. It is the Muslim who adheres to the pillars of Islam who will remain a Muslim when the going gets tough while the rest jump the fence.

    I am also vary of all labels including fundamentalist, literalist etc. A person who is strong in the fundamentals of science alone can contribute as a scientist. So how is a non-fundamentalist Muslim a good Muslim? The legal provisions and the moral code in the Quran are meant to be understood in the literal sense and followed. Otherwise, the Quran is not Kitabum Mubeen. Otherwise, we are saying indirectly, that Islam is fundamentally flawed.

    So let us by all means attack all that is reprehensible without using labels such as Salafi, Wahhabi, Tablighi, fundamentalist, literalist, Islamist etc.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 9/4/2012 4:22:07 AM



  • "Who knows we may bring some of them back to the fold of moderate Islam." To be perfectly honest, I was brought back to the fold of moderate Islam only because of two inter-related reasons: 1. reading newageislam and 2. thinking about the things newageislam taught. I wish more people would use their brians. It is not how much you know it is what you do with what you know.  
    By Aiman Reyaz - 9/4/2012 4:13:08 AM



  • @ Editor, I am not writing to complain about something against my fellow commentators.
    If you feel it worth, please let the reader know your reform plan.
    I am against the supremacy of either faith or any ism. I never claim I am a perfect person.
    I believe that by trial and error humankind reached to this stage. Human kind is not an ideal entity. To err is nature of human being and to correct it, is a lofty action. No religion including Islam produced ideal society. Every religion have good and bad elements. We can be good and bad with and without belief in God. In spirituality domain, we can choose any stream, to realize the truth.
    I am not a religious person. I want freedom of thoughts which is absent in Muslim society. I don't seek freedom to promote evil. Evil is not what Muslims consider evil. We all know what is good and what is evil.
    I see we are progressing in both good and evil.
    I respect the rights of you or any other person. You are much aware what is bad with Muslim community. Why they are not at peace with other communities in the whole world?. Are not Muslims seen with contempt and suspicion in the whole world? Is it due to conspiracy of NON-Muslims?
    I take you at face value. You may be truly involved in reform and may not be. I have no place for blind faith. I admire you not because you are an Editor of this site Or I am afraid of you. I admire you for you write boldly on issues no Muslim dare to think.
    I want to puncture the balloon of supremacy of any belief. It is the root cause of we are not in the mainstream.
    I request you to curb the pride in me whenever you feel it is there and to criticize me when wrong.
    Have a nice day


    By mohd yunus - 9/4/2012 3:15:33 AM