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  • There is nothing in any of your comments which relates to the article. Your forays in this forum have had the sole purpose of being disruptive, derisive and rude.  By Naseer Ahmed - 3/1/2019 3:37:03 AM



  • Naseer sb.,
    My comments are directly addressed to either the article itself or to your vicious and abusive attacks on me. Such attacks detract heavily from your credibility as a writer.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/28/2019 1:06:10 PM



  • Your comments have nothing to do with the article. Your forays in this forum have had the sole purpose of being disruptive, derisive and rude. 

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/27/2019 10:12:53 PM



  • It may be your article but it is not your space. This is an open forum. If you do not want your views to be challenged, publish your stuff elsewhere. Calling me an apostate makes you a liar as well as an imbecile. Is that all you that you have got to offer?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/27/2019 2:40:09 PM



  • This is my article and my space. You are the one who has intruded into my space with  " the sole purpose of being disruptive, derisive and rude."
    Your comments have nothing to do with the article and therefore disruptive.
    Why do you think you, who deny a major part of the Quran as the word of Allah, is not an apostate?
    Islam is  based entirely on the Quran and anyone who denies any part of the Quran is an apostate.
    You have every right to be an apostate but then act like one. Do not pretend to be a Muslim when you are an apostate. Then you are guilty of being "a wolf in sheep's clothing or a snake in the grass".
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/27/2019 12:54:19 AM



  • Naseer sb. lies again when he accuses me of advocating for the ethos of the Western society. Rationalism, liberalism and inclusivism are not the monopolies of the West. Nor is modernism. Progressive modernistic Muslims have their legitimate views to offer and regressive literalists like Naseer sb. are not going to stop them. What I said to Rational many years ago also applies to Naseer sb.: "Your forays in this forum have had the sole purpose of being disruptive, derisive and rude."
     
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/26/2019 12:43:36 PM



  • While Islam went completely against the existing ethos of Pagan Arab society, GM sb wants Islam to submit to the ethos of his western society which is only a reflection of the very same Pagan Arab Society! He therefore questions a major part of the Quran! 

    A Kafir is anyone who rejects the Quran and GM sb is an open kafir because he openly proclaims that many of the verses and a major part of the Quran are not the word of Allah.

    If he wants to be considered a Muslim, he has to abide by the definition of a Muslim in the Quran. By the Quran, he is an open kafir and since he claims to be a Muslim, that makes him a hypocrite and an apostate as well.

    Hypocrites are known to shamelessly flip-flop from one position to another and as long as GM sb continues to question the authenticity of the Quran while claiming to be a Muslim, he is an apostate of Islam and a hypocrite. I must therefor give him the excellent advice that he himself gave to Rational.

    You are an apostate. Act like one. You have every right to be an apostate. Join the company of other apostates and have a good time. Your forays in this forum have had the sole purpose of being disruptive, derisive and rude. That's why you were called "a wolf in the garb of a sheep, a snake in the sleeve, or more".

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/25/2019 11:03:43 PM



  • Naseer sb., a self-appointed authority on apostasy now is trying to test my knowledge on the subject. A person who tries to understand Islam in the context of the ethos in which he lives is not an apostate. A blind literalist who parrots lines from the Quran in order to slander and takfirise others is worse than an apostate. When one's pride and arrogance have gone to one's  head, one ceases to be a Muslim.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/25/2019 1:26:09 PM



  • Let us hear from you GM Sb.
    What according to you is an apostate?
    Why do you think you are not one?
    What according to you is a Muslim?
    Why do you think you are one?
    It is you who describes the laws of the Deen of Allah in the Quran as the laws of 7th century Pagan Arabia! And you have no proof/evidence to say so. You are a liar and a blasphemer of the Prophet, Allah and the Quran.
    For this apostate, supremacism means upholding verse 3:85,  and to prove his point, he insists on his extremely bigoted understanding of the meaning of Islam. By Naseer Ahmed - 2/25/2019 12:39:04 AM



  • Now Naseer sb. is setting himself up as an authority on when a Muslim ceases to be a Muslim! Is an intolerant, supremacist who is  blindly wedded to the laws and punishments of 7th century Arabia the right person to decide who is a true Muslim and who is an apostate? If so, Heaven help us!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/24/2019 12:21:21 PM



  • Why does Islam require to be defended?  The very idea of defending the "perfect and complete religion" is preposterous. The religion is to be proudly proclaimed and every verse of the Quran affirmed.  The moment you have reached a conclusion that even one verse of the Quran is not the word of Allah, you have left Islam. So, are you saying that you affirm all the verses are the word of Allah and you have not left Islam?

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/23/2019 11:02:12 PM



  • Naseer sb. repeats his blind mantra once again! He thinks raising legitimate questions about some verses makes one an apostate! If the only way you can defend Islam is by calling others apostates, you are not a fit person to defend Islam.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/22/2019 12:43:31 PM



  • GM sb,

    Anyone who says that even one verse from the Quran is not a revelation from Allah is a disbeliever in Allah, the Quran and the Prophet. If he was a believer before then he is an apostate after expressing such doubt. Let me therefore repeat the excellent advice that you yourself gave to Rational six years back. 

    Someone who has left Islam should not pretend that he is seeking answers to some questions. You are an apostate. Act like one. You have every right to be an apostate. Join the company of other apostates and have a good time. Your forays in this forum have had the sole purpose of being disruptive, derisive and rude. That's why you were called "a wolf in the garb of a sheep, a snake in the sleeve, or more".

    Once you become a believer once again and respectfully seek clarification to your doubts, I will respond. As it is, I don't wish to waste my time on apostates 
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/22/2019 5:09:04 AM



  • Naseer sb., the dishonest interlocutor, wants us to forget that he has repeatedly  supported verses in which God asks some people to kill other people! Instead of asking himself how can God, the most gracious and the most merciful, ever do such a thing, he blindly supports it just because a verse says so. Does he ever ask himself how such a verse got into our Holy Book?  No, he would much rather ascribe partisan and violent characteristics to Almighty God Himself! God did not put a seal on Naseer sb.'s heart. He did it himself.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/21/2019 12:16:06 PM



  • The hypocritical liar that GM sb is, he blames me for the discussion on war which he himself initiated! It is he who is obsessed with what God should  or should not do rather than take the word of Allah in the Quran. By Naseer Ahmed - 2/20/2019 10:13:27 PM



  • Naseer sb. is now trying to lay on me all the sins of American imperialism! I wonder what he will think of next! 

    His theology has become so entwined with God's commands for just wars that he can never extricate himself from it.  He can never see God as the font of love and harmony.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/20/2019 1:04:02 PM



  • Ghulam Uncle Sam the hypocrite, does not want God to have a say because by the standards of God, all the undeclared wars waged by the US are unjust wars of oppression. 

    Who else but God can define a just war? Who else but God gives the criterion of right and wrong? This is for the believers but not for the disbelievers and the apostates and the enemies of God, They would like to take God out of everything they do.

    The Principles of War from the Quran

    The dumb literalist does not know the difference between the "Charter for the  Citizens" which is the ten commandments, and God's command to fight just wars to every ruler Prophet through the ages (including Moses) against any oppressor to protect any oppressed.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/19/2019 10:51:25 PM



  • Naseer sb. seems to be losing his sanity. The Indian Army will kill those who attack India, but the question is 'would God ask either Indians or Pakistanis to kill each other'? Doesn't he understand anything?

    Now that he has lost all arguments, he has started a personal hate war against me, either calling me an apostate or attacking my residence in the U.S.! This guy with no shame and no useful message wants to be a preacher of Islam!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/19/2019 9:23:43 AM



  • The Indian security people have killed the master mind of the dastardly Pulwana terrorist attack in an encounter. Are they wrong in doing so Mr dumb literalist? Don't you think they have done the right thing?

    I cannot imagine a greater hypocrite than a person emigrating to the US for personal again when that country is responsible for waging undeclared war on 70 countries since WWII, and having killed millions for no reason except to maintain its hegemony and help its industry!
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/18/2019 10:25:54 PM



  • Who is more  "deaf, dumb and blind" than a blind literalist?

    Men will always kill each other, but let us keep God out of it.

    Killing for "just cause" and waging war for "just cause" sound like good phrases, but who determines what is a "just cause"? Al Qaeda? ISIS? The Talibans? Naseer saab?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/18/2019 1:27:55 PM



  • Don't turn yourself "deaf, dumb and blind" and blame Allah for it.  

    Even the modern state does not give a right to its citizens to kill another but kills for just cause. It also wages wars.

    We do not mistake a Charter for the Citizens as a charter for the state but you are of a different kind - dumb literalism is your forte.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/18/2019 12:06:53 AM



  • Moses may have fought wars but it was God who said, "Thou shalt not kill." 
    If a verse depicts God as asking people to kill other people, we should question its authenticity.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin Faruki - 2/17/2019 12:56:40 PM



  • The ten commandments is a Charter for the Ordinary men. It is not for the rulers. For the ruler it is:

    (17:33) Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause

    You deliberately turn yourself "deaf, dumb and blind" and refuse to see for yourself that Moses fought just wars. Just do a search and see passages from several Books of scriptures of the wars fought by Moses.

    Now ask yourself who has made you "deaf, dumb and blind"? Is it Allah or yourself? 


    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/16/2019 11:06:20 PM



  • He said,  "Thou shalt not kill." This was followed by a full stop. Men will always have just or unjust reasons for killing but I cannot see God cheering on one side in a battle asking them to kill.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/16/2019 12:54:04 PM



  • Did He also say "let the oppressors kill the oppressed"? Or did He say fight/kill the oppressors until there is no more oppression?
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/16/2019 1:46:19 AM



  • Allah dislikes the fact that the unjust practice their injustice and the oppressors their oppression, but He also clearly commanded Moses, "Thou shalt not kill." By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/15/2019 12:49:34 PM



  • And  it is impossible  for me to imagine  Allah allowing the unjust to practice their injustice and the oppressors their oppression. By Naseer Ahmed - 2/15/2019 12:56:30 AM



  • Naseer sb.,

    The Quran says 114 times that Allah is most gracious and most compassionate. It is difficult for me to conceptualize such a God asking one group of people to kill another group of people.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/14/2019 12:42:37 PM



  • GM sb,
    Are you talking of your own personal "designer god" which you seem to worship or the God of the Quran? Read the Quran to find out what the God of the Quran says. If you differ, then Islam is not your religion and the Quran not your Book and the Allah of the Quran not your god.
    If you are an ex-Muslim and would like other to also become ex-Muslims then seek a website for ex-Muslims to propagate your views. This is an Islamic website.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/14/2019 12:04:40 AM



  • Naseer sb.,
    I never said that God is whimsical. I only said that He would not ask any people to kill any other people. He would not command anyone to wage any wars. Only men do that.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/13/2019 12:36:11 PM



  • GM sb however appears to agree with all my "lies"!

    Allah is not whimsical when He commands war against any kind of oppression against any oppressor to protect the oppressed. The word used in the Quran is qatl which can be translated as both fight and kill. He does lay down the laws and principles of a just war. There is nothing whimsical or capricious in any law. GM sb must now be taught the meaning of whimsical. It means not obeying any rule or law.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/12/2019 10:36:27 PM



  • Naseer sb. says I am  "comfortable with the notion of a capricious, whimsical god." This is the exact opposite of the truth. It is he who is comfortable with such a notion when he says God would recommend wife-beating under certain circumstances, would ask some people to kill other people and would send a revelation to justify a marriage after the marriage has taken place and has come under criticism.

    He says that I am "comfortable with interpreting the Quran with many contradictions and treating many of the verses as abrogated." This is false. I have never said anything about abrogation and I take the obvious meaning from the words.

    He says I "would rather stick to the notion that Kafir means disbeliever which means non-Muslim and all such people will go to Hell." I have never said anything on the subject except to say that words like "Kafir" should be obsolete and we should stop using such words. If I tell him what meaning the traditional ulema have taken, it does not mean I take the same meaning.

    He says I am "uncomfortable with showing Hell to be a part of Allah's Mercy." I have never said it, but now that he mentions it, I would say, "Yes, I have difficulty seeing Hell as a part of mercy."

    He says I am uncomfortable with the notion of Islam as "a perfect and most complete religion of Allah revealed by Allah Himself." Islam is my religion but I do not have to make any boastful claims about my religion.

    Naseer sb. must be congratulated on breaking the record on how many lies can one accommodate in just one comment!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/12/2019 12:56:36 PM



  • GM sb is very comfortable with the opposite of what I say. He is comfortable with the notion of a capricious, whimsical god and uncomfortable with a God who governs through laws that remain constant, are made known for the benefit of mankind so that they profit from them, and with which they can be held accountable with themselves as a witness against their misdeeds. He loves to be a dumb literalist and dispute verses by asking, “does God seal the hearts of the wicked?”, rather than understand these verses in terms of the unchanging laws of human behaviour that cause a person to progress on whichever path he chooses and to reach a point of no return on that path

     He is comfortable with “interpreting” the Quran with many contradictions and treating many of the verses as abrogated as this gives everyone scope to take any meaning they wish.

     He is uncomfortable with the notion that Allah provides a level playing field to all even if they are born into polytheist families. He would rather stick to the notion that Kafir means “disbeliever” which means non-Muslim and all such people will go to Hell. That makes it easier to attack Islam.

     He is most uncomfortable with showing Hell to be a part of Allah’s Mercy. That leaves him no scope to contest anything in the Quran as contradicting Allah’s Mercy.

    He is most uncomfortable with presenting Islam as a logical, easy to understand religion with a universal message covering all mankind – a perfect and most complete religion of Allah revealed by Allah Himself.

    To my knowledge, no Sufi/Rishi has shown Hell to be an essential part of Allah’s Mercy or tell us why we are directly responsible for all the misery, injustice and oppression in the world and not Allah. Neither has any Sufi shown us that Allah provides a level playing field to people of all faiths or that a non-Muslim is not a Kafir. If they had understood these simple truths, they would have engaged themselves in eradicating injustice and oppression of every kind and building bonds with people of other faiths based on considering them more than equal in Allah’s eyes rather than in the contemplation of nothing and mouthing of absurdities.

    The article is an attack on collective ignorance that has kept the truth of Allah and His attributes hidden or grossly misunderstood, which even the Sufis with their meditations, and contemplationcould not see. The article establishes the primacy of the Qur’an on all religious questions and questions about the nature of Allah and our purpose in this life.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/11/2019 10:39:27 PM



  • This seems to be an attack on those who have a different understanding of the Quran from what Naseer sb. has. Our Prophets and our Holy Books are aids in our understanding of God, but none of them have a monopoly in the field. We can use all the aids we want but it is up to the individual himself or herself to grasp the greatness and the love of God. We instinctively know that God loves us, provides for us,  guides us and wants us to succeed. We also reject any narrations that show God to be small-minded, petty or spiteful. The Sufis know this. The Rishis know this. We too know it but we can lose this instinctive knowledge if we become worshippers of prophets or books.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/11/2019 4:45:14 PM



  • sky getting torn asunder and looking like ointment is just nonsense.
    jinns are another nonsense.
    how will people wander around boiling water? what happens to god's semantic capacities when he speaks through his prophets? he gets ungrammatical, fanatical and basically speaks nonsense.
    By hats off! - 2/11/2019 4:00:11 PM



  • If the judge of a court on earth punishes a killer to jail is he injust to the killer? Does justice mean being kind even to the wrongdoer? By Mir - 2/11/2019 7:48:32 AM