I must congratulate myself for finally succeeding in making you
understand the meaning of supremacism. I however feel not quite satisfied
because you think it is the connotation and not the meaning. It is the meaning,
or the meaning explained GM sb, and not its connotation.
And I must congratulate myself once again by making you understand the
meaning of " Islam is the religion of Allah from creation and the religion
brought by 124000 prophets over 70,000 years to all regions of the earth. Islam
is not a new religion or ideology revealed in the Quran. The meaning of
Islam is inclusive of all faith systems that require submitting to Allah (by
any name) which is why people of all faiths have been considered by Islamic
rulers as "People of the Book".
Dim witted that you are, you had to be told specifically that it
includes the Hindus also, but that only includes the monotheists among them, because,
clearly by your dharma and your kalima, polytheism is adharma. And yet, in my below
cited articles, I say categorically without “maybe” and without the safe harbour
“Allah knows best”, that Allah provides a level playing field to those born
into a polytheistic religion and those born into a Muslim home.
Does Allah Provide A Level Playing Field To All The People?
The Momineen and the Kafirin
You have read those articles before and I have cited these once again in
my comment below. Only an idiot would think of someone (rather the only one on
this forum), who says categorically what I say in these articles, as a
GM sb says “Let us remember,
"Sarva dharma sama bhava"”
Oh really? If so, why did the Prophet preach Islam and
displace the Pagan faith? The statement falls flat on its face right here! All
that is dharma (Deen of Allah) however, leads to the same goals, and every Scriptures
based faith system is dharma or deen of Allah.
There are many practices that were/are based on false beliefs
and lead to different outcomes. Going beyond meaningless hypocritical political
slogans, say something meaningful like I have done in my articles:
Does Allah Provide
A Level Playing Field To All The People?
Concept of Unity in the Quran While Celebrating Diversity
Understanding the Religion of Allah through the Ages
The Treachery of Beliefs
No answer to which question? GM sb has run
out of meaningful questions. The old fool has lost his cool after his
ignorance of what "supremacism" means and does not mean has been
What the world needs or does not need and what we must do or not do are
political statements. GM sb is a cheap politician and his comments are hollow
political slogans and the hypocrite that every politician is, what they say is
to make them look good and they will never walk the talk.
As expected, the hypocrite will not walk the talk.
Now, I must give this ignoramus lessons in the English language to make
him understand that being superior, supreme, or enjoying supremacy in any
field, does not make the superior/supreme
The President of India is the supreme commander of the armed forces.
Does that make him a supremacist?
Kant talks about the "supreme principle of morality". Does
that make Kant a supremacist for preaching it and others for following it?
Nations compete for supremacy in sports and athletics when they
participate in the Olympics. Does that make them supremacists?
Tennis, cricket, players compete for the number one ranking or for
supremacy in their field. Are they supremacists?
There are things that the Indian cricket team must fix to sustain
their current supremacy.
Bangalore, Hyderabad and Pune are struggling for supremacy in
providing IT services.
In most democracies, the civilian authority has supremacy over the
Brazil enjoyed supremacy in
foot-ball during the period Pele played for the country.
"Relating to or advocating the supremacy of a particular group," and gives as an example "supremacist ideologies'".
So Naseer sb.'s statement: "The Quran being the last of the revelations and containing the complete and perfected religion, a distinction not enjoyed by any other Scriptures, is supreme among the scriptures," is definitely supremacist. He did not answer my question, "Why is it difficult for Islam to be one of several world religions, an equal amongst equals."
GM sb selectively loses his capacity to distinguish between supremacy
and supremacism. Not surprising because all that he is interested in, is in posturing
for political correctness. Give up your posturing GM sb and try to become a genuine,
honest, non-political person. Your question is as senseless as 'why can't the modern man be like the pre-historic man'!
What is supremacism?
Supremacism is not
considering your religion superior, when, your religion is open to all. If you
consider your religion as superior and simultaneously prevent those not born into
the religion from adopting it, then that would be supremacism, as it amounts to
claiming superiority by virtue of your birth. Racism or claiming superiority
based on colour of skin is supremacism for this reason.
Rejecting a religion
merely because it is of Arab origin, is supremacism. The non-Arabs who have
adopted the religion originated in Arabia have done so because they are humble
and not supremacists and because they consider this religion to be superior. Desiring
what is superior and working towards gaining supremacy is what excellence is
Those who hate the
non-Arabs for having adopted the religion originated in Arabia are reverse supremacists,
because their idea of superiority is linked to place of origin, and they are
offended by those who have adopted a religion originated elsewhere. Eight five
percent of the Muslims are non-Arabs, which is proof that at least 85% of the
Muslims are humble non-supremacists who have adopted a religion originated
elsewhere, because they consider it superior.
The Arabs, if they
claim superiority because the Quran is in Arabic, or because the last Prophet
was an Arab, would be supremacists.
Supremacy is the quality
of being supreme based on objective criteria.
Supremacism is an
empty or baseless claim of supremacy with an ulterior non-altruistic motive.
Quran supports all who believe in Allah and do righteous deeds are equal. The following is the extract:
You tell me what your position is about 3:85. I have already given my
understanding of it.
Do you believe in it? If you do, how do you translate it?
GM sb now wants to preach to me what I have myself said in my
comment and also brought out through my articles based on the Quran! That is exactly what I said in my first
comment in this thread:
The promise of Allah is to all those
who submit to Allah and practice good deeds.
By Naseer Ahmed - 1/5/2019 6:22:35 AM
exactly what I said in three of my articles:
Is It Possible To Logically Derive A Single Meaning Of
Every Verse Of The Quran? Or, Does Allah Provide A Level Playing Field To All
Whom did you call supremacist then for verse 3:85? This is
what you said:
"submission to Allah" is not in 3:85. Out of seven translations,
three mention it but four translations just use the word Islam without any
qualification. We cannot pretend Islam is just submission and not a complete
religion. Hence to say, "Ifanyone desires a religion other than Islam,
never will it be accepted of him," is supremacism.
Does Allah have supremacism for Islam over those religions that exercise their faith in Allah and do good deeds?
Does Quran support Islam is supremacism over to other religions even though they do believe in Allah and do righteous deeds?
The phrase, love Allah...Follow me...Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, in the verse implies Allah's love does not bias against other religions if they love God. The phrase, Allah will..forgive you your sins, in the same verse implies Allah will forgive those who believe in him and do righteous deeds. As Allah shall forgive them, should Muslims then discriminate against all other religions who believe in Allah and do good deeds?
Those are your concerns GM Sb, not mine. My concern is only
with presenting Islam and the Quran accurately. So, you insist on taking the
meaning of Islam and Muslim restrictively simply because others do not like to
be called Muslim, and taking such a restrictive meaning, you call Allah a
supremacist for verse 3:85? How truly ridiculous! Give up your hypocrisy trying
to please others and become a genuine Muslim. Your lack of integrity is appalling.
sb says: "The phrase "submission to Allah" is not in 3:85. Out of
seven translations, three mention it but four translations just use the word
Islam without any qualification. We cannot pretend Islam is just submission and
not a complete religion. Hence to say, "Ifanyone desires a religion
other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him," is supremacism.
That is a verse from the Quran that GM sb insists on taking
in a restrictive sense and calling it supremacism. Who is it then he is calling
a supremacist except the author of the verse or Allah?
The correct position however is that Islam does mean
submission to Allah by any name, and Allah says in the Quran that all the previous
prophets were Muslim, which make their followers who submit to Allah (by any
name) also Muslim. How can such inclusivism of people of all
faiths in the definition of Muslim be supremacism? To a sane person excluding
them would be supremacism but GM sb is anything but sane. He has gone completely
mad accusing Allah of being a supremacist.
Here is the proof
that all those who submit to Allah are Muslim:
(21:108) Say: "What has come to me by inspiration is
that your Allah is One Allah: will ye therefore aslimu (bow to His Will in
(27:42) So when she (Queen
Sheba) arrived, she was asked, "Is this thy throne?" She said,
"It was just like this; and knowledge was bestowed on us in advance of
this, and we have been muslimina (submitted to Allah in Islam)."
(28:53) And when it is recited to them (People of the Book),
they say: "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord: indeed
we have been Muslims (bowing to Allah´s Will) from before this.
(51:36) But We found not there any Muslim persons except in
one house: (people of Lut)
(2:128) "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy
(Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us
our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for
Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. (Prayer Of Ibrahim and Ismail)
(3:52) When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said:
"Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples:
"We are Allah´s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness
that we are Muslims.
(7:126) "But thou dost wreak thy vengeance on us simply
because we (the magicians of Pharaoh)
(3:85) If anyone
desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be
accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have
lost (All spiritual good).
(20:8) Allah! there is no god but He! To Him
belong the most Beautiful Names.
"Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him,
(it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.
If you consider Allah/God/Parmatma or whatever names He is
known by a supremacist, for prohibiting mankind to submit to any other deity
besides Himself (by any name), you are entitled to both your definition and
your opinion. This is between you and the Creator.
No matter the word ‘supremacism’ is used in several ways, if it is
meant for arrogance or forcing others to change one’s ideas, it deserves
By the way in my observation, the idea of supremacism covers a
broader area where hardly a day goes by without someone having attitude of
The terms like white supremacism, black-supremacism, male-supremacism, national-supremacism, religious-supremacism, oh even the politician-supremacism, just see the political parties blaming and condemning one another.
Crimes Against Humanity writes, “Fadi Abu Salah was 29 years old.
Isarael killed him today. First they took his land, then they took his legs and
today they took his life” (16 May 2018)
Mr George Galloway comments on it, “The rapid descent into
barbarism by the state of Israel has induced a kind of frenetic madness amongst
its remaining supporters. Vituperation religious extremism supremacism false
accusations hate-speech and outright racism. That’s all they have left folks.
This is supremacism.
There are words that we use, without knowing their meanings,
or with the word having different meaning for those discussing a topic, which creates
Supremacism is not considering your religion superior, when,
your religion is open to all. What stops others from adopting the same religion
as yours, is that they consider their own religion superior, or your religion
inferior. If they also considered your
religion as superior, but were prevented from adopting it, then that would be
supremacism. People have their reasons for following/not following a religion,
and considering theirs to be superior, is a legitimate reason and is not
Considering your lineage or race as superior, is however
supremacism, because the same is not open to all.
Rejecting a religion merely because it is of Arab origin, is
supremacism. The non-Arabs who have adopted the religion originated in Arabia have
done so because they are humble and not supremacists and because they consider
this religion to be superior. Those who hate the non-Arabs for having adopted
the religion originated in Arabia are supremacists, because their idea of
superiority is linked to place of origin, and they are offended by those who
have adopted a religion originated elsewhere. Eight five percent of the Muslims
are non-Arabs, which is proof that at least 85% of the Muslims are humble
This is very
simple message. Yes God’s messages are the best. We should follow them without
wasting time in arrogance. This is fact
and can be experimented and observed by the light of divine messages.
I also endorse Ms Kaniz Fatma’s article which positively focuses on stopping the human beings
from having superiority nature- the nature that falls under arrogance. Instead the
believers should thank God Almighty Who sent the divine messages to guide them through
the last Prophet –peace be upon him.
about others’ guidance or misguidance, one should focus on adhering to
beautiful divine messages, such as humbleness, deep remembrance of God Almighty
and of course without arrogance or supremacism. Supremacism is arrogance which
might result into loss of faith as it took place with Iblis.
May God Almighty
keep us on the Right Path!
We the human
beings should do self-introspection and find out whether whatever we are doing
in violation of the divine messages is the result of our supremacism or that of
ignoring nature. If the ignoring nature is deemed to be allied with supremacism,
then there is no human being in this entire world who is safe from being stuck
with the idea of supremacism.
messages are of course the best of all the ideas of human beings. Yes the human
beings who can’t even think beyond ‘time and space’ created by the only One
Creator, let alone talking about coming out of them [time and space]
In my opinion I
have observed that those that are not true to God can’t be true to human
If the human
beings truly believe in God, they will have to believe the divine messages to
be better than their own ideas. Otherwise it will be tantamount to seeing their
ideas superior to God’s. In this case, one can easily observe that the atheists
see themselves superior to God Almighty [Ma’az Allah]. Since they do not
believe in God, this is a case for analysis that they must have had supremacism.
Both the Creator
and the created can’t be superior or non-superior at the same time. And we
believe that there should be no idea of comparison and that the Creator is
superior to the entire creation.
Don’t the human
beings intentionally or unintentionally are stuck with supremacism when they
wilfully reject or ignore the divine messages?
Only command of
Allah or one hadith of the beloved Prophet [peace be upon him] on any issue or
subject is enough for a believer to be practical.
of integrity is superior to a person without integrity. That is the only
criteria that matters. A person of integrity will espouse correct beliefs and
act correctly no matter what his religion may be. A “believer” without
integrity is a hypocrite, and worse than a “disbeliever”.
your deeds alone that define you and a "believer" can be a
"kafir" but one who does what is right and just irrespective
of the consequences and even if doing so is against self-interest, is submitting
to a purpose higher than himself, which is what Islam means, making such a
person Muslim even though he may be agnostic.
This may not be so in Islamic theology, but such a meaning clearly comes through as the Message of the Quran as explained in my article below:
The Momineen and the Kafirin
(2:110) And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity: And whatever good ye send forth, ye shall find it with Allah: for Allah sees Well all that ye do.
(111) And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."
(112) Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Nicely written. But no new verse or hadith to prove the point except the various times repeated ones.
“No one who has the weight of a seed of arrogance in his heart will enter Paradise.”
May we all be forgiven and shown the path treaded by the noble ones.