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  • Thanks very much indeed for your compliments. May God bless you! The venom in the debates on NewAgeIslam.com has surprised me as much as it has shocked you. This is merely indicative of the venom in the community. Our sojourn in the land of pointlessness. It probably explains why we are gradually becoming irrelevant to the world, even as it tries hard to destroy us and our faith by using people from within us.  (Sultan Shaheen)  (The hidden hypocrite in defence of exposed  THIEF Jamshed Basha)

     

    @ Sultan Shaheen....the hidden Hypocrite

    The real ring Master ...Editor NewageIslam.com.....You are an hypocrite par excellence ...you sit over the venom spitting stolen article by Jamshed Basha  for months and when you see the hits to NewageIslam.com is dwindling  due to your own dirty habit of posting messages under different names came to be known by all,  you suddenly decide to post the stolen article by Jamshed Basha...and further promote your  actual profession of a ring master ...to excite passions and then enjoy the mudslinging, name callings,  then  from time to time you blow the whistle, and pretend to play the role of good God fearing Muslim ...come out in the open and this time under your real Name Sultan Shaheen and shout at the top of your voice hey! Hey! All you Muslims don’t fight don’t fight.....Your character reminds me of the Mean and scheming Bullies when I was in Junior  School who use to cook stories and make even friends fight, and then try to become good in the eyes of the school administration by pretending to be the good guy, You are like Muslims who run a liquor shop and never forget to remind Muslims that consumption of liquor is prohibited in Islam,  But here you are forgetting that unlike the School administration,  Allah swt  Knows all that transpires in the heart of one’s heart and Hypocrites are ones whom Allah swt look down upon and has  reserved a special place in hell for them.

    You claim to be a good Muslim...and sometime back,  like an Idiot or an Ignorant fool,  you called for abrogation or declaring obsolete certain verses from the Holy Quran  Nauzbillah’ (Lanat Bhejtin Hun Mai tumhare jaise Musalmano pe jo Quran ki AYAT me hee fer badal ki soch sakte hain)

    Earlier you ridiculed and chided about the Babri Masjid demolition ...yet you have the face of calling yourself a Muslim.....Shame on you sultan Shaheen for vacillating between Faith and Ignorance all for vested interests.

    Ps: Allah swt is hidden from our vision the Prophet pbuh Introduced us to the Supreme Being, and we took his word for it, The same Prophet Pbuh Introduced us to the gift of ‘IMAMAT’  from  the supreme being and again we took his word for it. Only those unfortunate among us do not see the truth, whose vision is either blocked by the devil or those who are too concerned and engrossed in their worldly profits, such as Sultan Shaheen and other hypocrites. Who really have no faith to call as their own they, just pretend from time to time, as it suits their purpose.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Jahan ham rahte hain Yahan Wahabiyon Ke Muh Pe Ham thuukna bhi nahi Pasand Karte Hain. Aur Ahle Baet ke Dushmano ke Chehron ko Ham bait-ul-khala samajhte hain,  kya karen unke muh se BadBoo hee aisee aati hai. Aur chehron pe unke Fitkaar hee itni hoti hai jaise saari kaynaat ki laanat unke saarapey me uttar aayee ho, ye ek jeeta jaagta maujeza hai ki ek bhi Waahabi ke chehre pe nur ya fir sharafat nahi jhalakti hai. [Tabrez Ali From Jaunpur]

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    Why dont the India Muslims [particularly the followers of Ahl Al Bayt Model of Iran and Khomeini] protest over this Pro Yazeedi - Wahabi - Saudi Policy of the Indian Government. Indian Muslims [particularly the Followers of Ahl Al Bayt] should hold protest rallies against the following Indian Policy:

    I wonder if you [if you are an Indian Citizen] would approve this policy of India?

    What the HELL THIS WAHHAABI KING DOING IN INDIA? And even hoped that India became an Observer member of OIC as well 

    2006 News Story 


    King Abdullah receives a warm welcome in India 01/26/2006

    http://www.saudiembassy.net/2006News/News/NewsDetail.asp?cIndex=5900

    OIC: Saudi king hopes Pakistan will sponsor India by Our Correspondent

    January 23, 2006

    http://www.dawn.com/2006/01/23/top11.htm

    Saudi Investment in India

             From January 1991 to 2004, Government has approved 26,588 foreign collaboration (technical & financial) proposals with a corresponding foreign direct investment of Rs. 2,497.18 crore (US $ 67.15) billion and Cumulative inflows of FDI during 1991-2004 (up to November) is Rs. 131,387 Crore (US $ 32.15) billion.

    The tables given below indicate the year-wise figures of foreign Investment approved with Saudi Arabian companies since 1991.

    (* Updated up to November 2004)  

    (Inflow is 9.22% of the FDI approved)     

    The Industry-wise break-up of foreign direct investment and technical collaboration approved for Saudi Arabian companies during 01.08.1991 to 30.11.2004 is at Annex. I.

    Details of FDI cases approved for Saudi Arabia during 01.08.1991 to 30.11.2004 is at Annex-II.  

    Note: Imports figures for 200-2001 onwards do not include import of Petroleum Products (27100093) and Curde Oil (27090000)

    Source: Directorate General of Foreign Trade, Ministry of Commerce & Industry,Government of India.

     Trade between India and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (From 1999 to 2007)

    List of Indian Companies Participated in Saudi Arabia’s International Trade Fair, Jeddah, May 15-19, 2005 

    http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/COMM/bilateral/Indian%20comp%20in%20tradefairs.htm

    List of Saudi Companies/ Government Departments participated in the “Saudi Arabia in India” Exhibition

    New Delhi, January 21-26, 2006. 

     

    http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/COMM/bilateral/Saudi%20comp%20in%20tradefairs.htm

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Please excuse me for copy/paste but I sincerely feel that I should share this with all the good readers out there.....

     

     

     

    THE PEACE AND JUSTICE FOUNDATION

    11006 Veirs Mill Rd, STE L-15, PMB 298

    Silver Spring, MD. 20902

     

    Saffar 1430 AH

    (February 1, 2009)

     

     

    Assalaamu Alaikum

    (Greetings of Peace):

     

    This year, 1430 AH (2009 CE) marks the 30th anniversary of the Islamic Republic of Iran. It pleases me to share with our readers a letter to the leader of this nation, from the elected leader of another nation that has been under a brutal occupation for the past six decades! As I've stated in the past, in my humble opinion, no contemporary nation-state has given more support to the Palestinian people than Iran. (And this is one of the reasons why Iran is the TARGET that it is.)

     

    I believe that despite all of its mistakes and imperfections, ALLAH Ta'ala has protected this nation because of the integrity that it has consistently strived for (generally speaking) as an Islamic nation. In the year 1408 A.H. (1988 C.E.), I wrote a poetic tribute to Iran, which in large part celebrated the intense struggle that it was still going through. The imposed war - between Iran and Iraq - had entered it final stage, and enemies from within were assassinating some of its leading scholars. By the Grace and Mercy of ALLAH, it weathered these diverse storms and arrived to where it is today. 

     

    On this occasion, I will give a slight update to the poetic tribute written years ago; with a prayer on my lips that ALLAH continues to bless this nation to be a fountain of hope and inspiration for the Ummah of the last divinely sent Messenger and Prophet to all humanity, Mohammed ibn Abdullah (peace and blessings be upon him), and for humanity as a whole. Ameen.  

     

     

    WE SALUTE YOU

     

    They take your young, your old, and the learned among you

    In a futile attempt to take your freedom

    They have not yet learned the lesson that

    A true Muslim is no man's slave

    Oh, but you will teach them

    And for this

     

    We salute you!

     

    They sought to abort your destiny before the time of your deliverance

    And still you were born. And your birth provided

    The downtrodden, destitute masses

    With needed relief, renewed faith

    And hope for the future

    And for this

     

    We salute you!

     

    When you were born they predicted your early demise

    Infanticide would surely take its course for

    An impudent child who refuses

    The prepared formula of

    Alliances based on

    Expediency

     

    With the unsanctioned, yet blessed cry:

    Neither East, Nor West, only Islam!

    How could it live? Oh, but you have

    Your Nourisher and Sustainer

    Has blessed you to Survive!

    And for this

     

    We Salute You!

     

    They think of you as an illegitimate child of history

    An accident of circumstance, never meant to be

    But these are creatures without faith,

    And thus they cannot see

     

    That you were not an accident of history, nor mere confluence of events

    But the manifestation of divine will and prophecy

    Why can't they see this? Have they no sense!

     

    They try to take away your freedom, thru enemies concealed

    In the cloak of Islam, throwing away untold millions in

    Monetary resources, while continuing to feed the

    Ever-flowing, unquenchable river of

    Blood!

     

    (How unfortunate they don't seem to realize, we must all one day answer for what we have done!)

     

    Despite the attempts to deny you your faith through unrelenting sectarian intrigues

    You've remained a constant and dutiful proponent of

    The noble quest for Oneness

    Islamic Unity!

     

    In light of the many positive achievements you've accrued

    Despite all of your enemy's plans

    On the occasion of this!!!  

    Your 30th Anniversary!

     

    We Salute You, Islamic Republic of Iran! 

     

     

    On the authority of Amir ibn Sa'd ibn Abu Waqqas: "I wrote a letter to Jabir ibn Samura and sent it to him through my servant Nafi, asking him to inform me of something he had heard from the Messenger of ALLAH (pbuh). He wrote me in reply: 'I heard the Messenger of ALLAH (pbuh) say on Friday evening... The Islamic religion will continue until The Hour has been established, or you have been ruled over by twelve caliphs - all of them being from the Quraish. I also heard him say, a small force of Muslims will capture the white palace - the palace of the Persian emperor or his descendants. I also heard him say: Before the Day of Judgment there will appear a number of imposters. You are to guard against them. I also heard him say: When ALLAH grants wealth to any one of you, he should first spend it on himself and his family, and then give it away in charity to the poor. I heard him also say: I will be your forerunner at the Cistern (expecting your arrival).' " - Hadith from Sahih Muslim  

     

     

    El-Hajj Mauri' Saalakhan

    Director of Operations

    The Peace And Justice Foundation

     

     

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Amir Moghul Tu Baaki tamaan Pakistaniyo ki Tarah Gaay ka Gosht Kha Kha ke adhaa pagal ho chuka hai, Gaay ka gosht kaahne waale neem Pagal ho jaate hain per tu, Jahkki Pan ki Saari haden paar kar chukaa hai, Lanat hai terrey Yazidee Wajud pe, aur Talibaani Soch pe, Jahan ham rahte hain Yahan Wahabiyon Ke Muh Pe Ham thuukna bhi nahi Pasand Karte Hain. Aur Ahle Baet ke Dushmano ke Chehron ko Ham bait-ul-khala samajhte hain,  kya karen unke muh se BadBoo hee aisee aati hai. Aur chehron pe unke Fitkaar hee itni hoti hai jaise saari kaynaat ki laanat unke saarapey me uttar aayee ho, ye ek jeeta jaagta maujeza hai ki ek bhi Waahabi ke chehre pe nur ya fir sharafat nahi jhalakti hai.

    By TABREZ ALI FROM JAUNPUR -



  • IRAN'S FIRST DOMESTIC SATELLITE IN ORBIT- Times of India news-5th Feb.2009

    Dear Mughal sahab Does this news give you happiness over the fact that Iran becomes the first Islamic country of 1.5 billion muslims to enter the elite space club represented by less than a dozen powerful and capable countries of the world?...In case you did not know Iran is FULLY capable of making indigenous Fighter jets more advanced than F-16s for which the entire subcontinent is standing in que before USA  for decades...!infact they have a well developed fleet of indigenously produced ultra-sophiscticated jets.. *** This all is achieved within 30 years of (your friend) khomeini's gifted revolution...what a gift ??!!! boy...!!now tell me ....a"Are the world muslims ready to follow AHLE-BAYET MODEL for their emancipation??... godsake nowdon't say NO....... [Traveller]

    Jahan ham rahte hain Yahan Wahabiyon Ke Muh Pe Ham thuukna bhi nahi Pasand Karte Hain. Aur Ahle Baet ke Dushmano ke Chehron ko Ham bait-ul-khala samajhte hain,  kya karen unke muh se BadBoo hee aisee aati hai. Aur chehron pe unke Fitkaar hee itni hoti hai jaise saari kaynaat ki laanat unke saarapey me uttar aayee ho, ye ek jeeta jaagta maujeza hai ki ek bhi Waahabi ke chehre pe nur ya fir sharafat nahi jhalakti hai. [Tabrez Ali From Jaunpur]

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    Dear Tabrez Sahab and Mr Travller,

    Why dont the India Muslims [particularly the followers of Ahl Al Bayt Model of Iran and Khomeini] protest over this Pro Yazeedi - Wahabi - Saudi Policy of the Indian Government. Indian Muslims [particularly the Followers of Ahl Al Bayt] should hold protest rallies against the following Indian Policy:

    I wonder if you [if you are an Indian Citizen] would approve this policy of India?

    What the HELL THIS WAHHAABI KING DOING IN INDIA? And even hoped that India became an Observer member of OIC as well 

    2006 News Story 


    King Abdullah receives a warm welcome in India 01/26/2006

    http://www.saudiembassy.net/2006News/News/NewsDetail.asp?cIndex=5900

    Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz is currently on a state visit to India, the first such visit by a Saudi king in more than 50 years. The visit aims to expand energy cooperation and trade relations with India, one of Asia’s fastest growing economies.  

     

    Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh broke protocol by personally receiving King Abdullah at the airport January 22, a sign of how much importance India attaches to the royal visit, the Arab News reported. King Abdullah was also the guest of honor at India’s Republic Day celebrations in New Delhi today. 

     

             

    King Abdullah, Prime Minister Singh and President Abdul Kalam at National Day 

    King Abdullah and the Prime Minister held official talks yesterday after a ceremonial reception at the presidential palace, which included a 21-gun salute.

    King Abdullah and Prime Minister Singh 

                 

    The talks focused on long-term security cooperation, including fighting terrorism, international crime and energy security.

    The two nations signed a number of agreements, including a Memorandum of Understanding on fighting terrorism, an accord to avoid double-taxation, and a convention to promote bilateral investment.

     

     

    Following their meeting, King Abdullah and the Prime Minister opened a Saudi business exhibition, where Saudi and Indian businessmen signed 10 economic agreements. Yesterday evening, King Abdullah met with Indian President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam at the presidential palace in New Delhi. In remarks, the King offered his thanks for the warm reception, and expressed optimism that his visit to India would be a vital step towards closer cooperation between the two nations.

     

    “India’s economic growth has attracted world attention. We are happy that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will be one of India's major trade partners,” King Abdullah said.

    “Moreover, the Kingdom is also happy to host more than 1.5 million Indians who are contributing to the progress, development and prosperity of the two countries.”

     

     

          

     

    King Abdullah and President Abdul Kalam

    King Abdullah also expressed the hope that India would continue its supporting international efforts to achieve a fair and comprehensive resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.   Speaking to Saudi reporters in New Delhi Monday, Indian Minister of State for External Affairs E. Ahamed described King Abdullah’s visit as “important and historic.” He said India attached great importance to the visit, which would further strengthen longstanding relations between India and Saudi Arabia, the Arab News reported.

     

    King Abdullah discusses trade in India

           

     Oil Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar said that India would extend an offer to Saudi Aramco to collaborate on a Hindustan Petroleum refinery project in Visakhapatnam in India’s southern Andhra Pradesh region. Aiyar also said he hopes to discuss bilateral issues with Saudi Oil Minister Ali Al-Naimi, who is part of King Abdullah’s delegation.

     


    “The issue of hydrocarbon cooperation is also a component of bilateral talks that are going to be held between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and the Saudi king,” Aiyar said, as quoted in the Arab News. “So far as the oil component of our energy security is concerned, we have a strong assurance from Saudi Arabia that any incremental requirement will be met by them,” he said. Aiyar also said that a 26 percent dependence on Saudi Arabia is optimal and that now there is a need to diversify oil sources. Saudi Arabia accounts for nearly a quarter of India’s total oil imports, which amount to around 1.9 million barrels per day.

     In an interview with India’s NDTV channel over the weekend, King Abdullah discussed bilateral relations between the two countries, as well as a number of regional and international issues of common interest, including energy and terrorism. The King underscored the friendly relations between Saudi Arabia and India, and said that he hopes India and Pakistan resolve their differences peacefully. Everything can be achieved through dialogue, he said.       

     

    King Abdullah at ceremonial reception

    He also said he believes India can play a role in the Organization of the Islamic Conference, possibly as an observer, like Russia. On oil, King Abdullah said that Saudi Arabia has the capability to meet the petroleum needs of India and other countries. He remarked that the Kingdom prefers lower oil prices because higher prices are not in the interest of developing countries. In the interview, King Abdullah also said that Saudi Arabia’s friendly relations with China and India would not affect its good relations with the United States, which has been a friend of the Kingdom for over 60 years.  In addition, he stressed Saudi Arabia’s staunch opposition to terrorism.

     

    OIC: Saudi king hopes Pakistan will sponsor India by Our Correspondent

    January 23, 2006

    http://www.dawn.com/2006/01/23/top11.htm


    NEW DELHI, Jan 22: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has expressed the hope that Pakistan would sponsor India’s membership as an observer of the OIC even as he called on the two countries to resolve their differences. In a rare interview to India’s NDTV news channel King Abdullah did not name Kashmir as the dispute but left no doubt that he was seriously concerned about the issue. “I do believe that India can play a role in such an organisation, just like Russia does. Russia has an observer status in the Organisation of Islamic Conference and I believe that it will be very beneficial if the application of India could be put forth by a country such as Pakistan,” said the king.

    Asked whether his country’s ties with Pakistan had impeded relations with India, the monarch said: “You are correct. The issue of Pakistan has had an impact on Saudi-India relations. I believe that the conflict that exists, the complication that exists, do not help the image of either country.” He said Pakistan is a “brotherly country and friendly country with which we have great ties.”

    On the other hand, he said, India is a friendly country with which the kingdom has historic ties. “There is no doubt that the relationship of Saudi Arabia with Pakistan is a great relationship.”

    He said Saudi Arabia was not funding terrorism directly or indirectly against India or any other country through its funds in Pakistan.

    About his present visit to China, he said ties with China and India were not to come about at the expense of the United States its old ally and solid friend.

    Hinting at a deeper partnership with India, King Abdullah admitted that current oil prices were too high and thus hurting developing countries. He said Saudi Arabia had the ability to meet any requirement that India may have for its energy security.

    “We want to strengthen the link between India and Saudi Arabia with regards to energy and the ability to provide energy to India over the long term. From our perspective I personally feel that the current price of oil is too high.

    “The price is damaging to developing countries who subsequently have to suffer. The price needs to be at a more moderate level. With regards to the export of crude oil to India, we would like to provide India’s requirement of energy in the future,” he said.

    He also said he would like to move ahead with reforms in all areas, such as women’s rights. But he felt his country needed to be ready for this.

    The king will arrive in New Delhi on Jan 24 and will be the chief guest at the Republic Day celebrations.


     

    If you are an Indian Citizen [i.e. A Largest Democracy in the World] than use your constitutional right and protest against the Wahhaabi Investment in India!

    Minus Bahrain every country in the list below is Wahhaabi i.e. Salafi i.e. Ahl-e-Hadith. Where are the Super Powers of Nizamuddin Awliya and Moinuddin Chishti and all such Sufis [lying dead for centuries in India] to invoke the same and stop these Rampant Wahhaabis from entering India with their Filthy Investment?????

    Saudi Investment in India

             From January 1991 to 2004, Government has approved 26,588 foreign collaboration (technical & financial) proposals with a corresponding foreign direct investment of Rs. 2,497.18 crore (US $ 67.15) billion and Cumulative inflows of FDI during 1991-2004 (up to November) is Rs. 131,387 Crore (US $ 32.15) billion.

    The tables given below indicate the year-wise figures of foreign Investment approved with Saudi Arabian companies since 1991.

    (* Updated up to November 2004)  

    (Inflow is 9.22% of the FDI approved)     

           The Industry-wise break-up of foreign direct investment and technical collaboration approved for Saudi Arabian companies during 01.08.1991 to 30.11.2004 is at Annex. I.

            Details of FDI cases approved for Saudi Arabia during 01.08.1991 to 30.11.2004 is at Annex-II.  

    India-GCC Trade

    Note: Imports figures for 200-2001 onwards do not include import of Petroleum Products (27100093) and Curde Oil (27090000)

    Source: Directorate General of Foreign Trade, Ministry of Commerce & Industry,Government of India.

     

    Trade between India and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

    (From 1999 to 2007)

    List of Indian Companies Participated in Saudi Arabia’s

    International Trade Fair, Jeddah, May 15-19, 2005 

    http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/COMM/bilateral/Indian%20comp%20in%20tradefairs.htm

    List of Saudi Companies/ Government Departments participated in the

    “Saudi Arabia in India” Exhibition

    New Delhi, January 21-26, 2006. 

     

    http://www.cgijeddah.com/cgijed/COMM/bilateral/Saudi%20comp%20in%20tradefairs.htm

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Anwar Haque


    Bismiallah Hir Rehman Nir Raheem

    Assalamo Alaikum.

    Insha Allah I will reply in detail. However let me say very candidly that these so called Taliban are brian child of CIA and Mossad and RAW. 9/11 was an israeli act, pure and simple. Enemies of Islam kill two birds by one stone. 1st commit terrorism yourself and blame on Islam. Despite all your propagenda, truth shines. Only hypocrites will buy your arguments and cooked evidences. It was Hindus who made Pakistan. Whenever a chance was given them they tried to totally dominate and arranged widespread slaughter of Muslims. This even led to perosn like Jinnah who was not "relegious" to leave congress. Muslims in India are less than 3% in Government jobs despit their percentage of 23.Muslims are not so backward as you think. They have to find out to throw away Dummies put on their heads by Satanic forces. As soon as they do they will be the leaders in sceinces again Insha Allah
       

    By Anwar Haque -



  • Amir Moghul Tu Baaki tamaan Pakistaniyo ki Tarah Gaay ka Gosht Kha Kha ke adhaa pagal ho chuka hai, Gaay ka gosht kaahne waale neem Pagal ho jaate hain per tu, Jahkki Pan ki Saari haden paar kar chukaa hai, Lanat hai terrey Yazidee Wajud pe, aur Talibaani Soch pe, Jahan ham rahte hain Yahan Wahabiyon Ke Muh Pe Ham thuukna bhi nahi Pasand Karte Hain. Aur Ahle Baet ke Dushmano ke Chehron ko Ham bait-ul-khala samajhte hain,  kya karen unke muh se BadBoo hee aisee aati hai. Aur chehron pe unke Fitkaar hee itni hoti hai jaise saari kaynaat ki laanat unke saarapey me uttar aayee ho, ye ek jeeta jaagta maujeza hai ki ek bhi Waahabi ke chehre pe nur ya fir sharafat nahi jhalakti hai.

    By TABREZ ALI FROM JAUNPUR -




  • qalan bab

    BismillahirRahmanirraheem
    Asalam Alaikum
     
    Please donot send me this non-sense.
    I am not interested in pro-jew-hanood-media-BS.
     
    I am a muslim and i don't want your posts which clearly degrade and target Islamic

    beliefs. You my friend, are too much conditioned and blinded by media.
     
    You need a re-education in the subjects of subliminals, mind conditioning and mind

    control tactics. then you'll be able to see the non-sense in these posts.
     
    No offence meant. No reply/response needed.
    Best Wishes
    Asalam Alaikum

    By qalan bab -



  • Maine to Gaaliyan Yazeed aur Muawia dono ke liye hee nikaali, Magar jaan ke beinteha lutf aaya ki sab ka  eiteraaz sirf Muawia ko gaali nikaalne pe aayaa,  Yazeed ke bachao me koyee bhi Musalman aage nahi aayaa, Yaani ke aap sabhi maantey hain ki Yazeed Paleed wo sab kuch hai jo ki maine likha tha? badaa hee ******......... Maafi chahunga magar Iblees ko Iblees kahna gaali nahi, AQEEDA HAI  bass har ek bande ka andaaz e bayan mukhtalif hota hai. [Tabrez Ali From Jaunpur]

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    Dear Tabrez Sahab,

    For your kind perusal,

    Please solve this riddle as to why Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and his Ahl Al Bayt gave their daughters for marriage in Banu Ummayya and in Aal-e-Marwan and that too after the Tragedy of Karbala:

    how would you define Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and his Ahl Al Bayt's Marriages within the Clan of Ummayads and Marwan and that after Karbala and Siffin. You quote History to condemn all and sundry and I quote History to praise all of them, if the History's text is good for condemning the Companions of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] then why the same History is not good which narrates the facts mentioned below!

    If Muawiya was so bad then why Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar - May Allah be pleased with him [Cousin of Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali, Bibi Zainab's Husband and Yazeed's Father in Law, Abdullah bin Jafer's daughter Umme  Mohammad was Yazeed's wife] had named his son on Hazrat Muawiya i.e. Muwaiyah Bin Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar. A son of Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib [May Allah be pleased with him] was named Yazeed. Abdullah Bin Jafer's grandson's name was Yazeed. [Shia References - Tanqeeh Al Maqal, Muntahi Al Maqal - these Shia books carry names of those narrators who were named Muwiyah [41 persons], and Yazeed [124 persons]. If Muwaiyah was such a bad name then why Ahl Al Bayt give their daughters in Banu Ummayya for  marriage.

    Shia and Sunni Sources on Hasnain's acceptance of Muawiyah's Khilafa:

    [Akhbar Al Tawal Al Denwary page 234, Tabari Page 62 Volume 6, Al Imama Wal Siyasa page 173, Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 4 published in Najaf]

    Hazrat Muawiya [May Allah be pleased with him]'s Excellent Treatment with Hasan and Hussain [May Allah be pleased with both of them]:

    Hussain used to go with Hasan to meet Muawiyah in Damascus and at one stance Muawiyah gifted 2 Million Dirham to both and at another ocassion he gifted Hazrat Hasan 4 Million Dirham [Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir Page 150 and Page 127 Volume 8] This narration is confirmed by Ibn Abi Al Hadid (Mutazilli Shia) in his translation of Nehjul Balagha page 823 Volume 2] and this further confirmed by Extremist Shias like Abu Mikhnaf in his book Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 7].

    Note: Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf is a book by Abu Mikhnaf specially written on Karbala Tragedy and from Tabari to present day Speakers of Shia Majlis, this book is quoted for narrating the Tragedy of Karbala.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • i too agree with mr. jamshed basha regarding pointed and relevant debates.. elsewhere i have requested mr. mughal to be precise in his discourses.. but i must add his postings do have wealth of information but as i said elsewhere you better settle at a workable ratio of length v/s appeal... because best trained netizens find it difficult to remain focussed after initial 30 lines.. unless the post is interactive and stimulating...

    i'm sure we all need mughal with us, we all are scholors and differences of opinion is a hallmark of intellect, but here i would like to suggest the mODERATOR Mr. Shahin to ensure that all debates are finally closed with his verdict / or take home message for the average forum readers, otherwise these exercises would not groiw beyond keyboard tappings...

    regards

    By traveler -



  • Maine to Gaaliyan Yazeed aur Muawia dono ke liye hee nikaali, Magar jaan ke beinteha lutf aaya ki sab ka  eiteraaz sirf Muawia ko gaali nikaalne pe aayaa,  Yazeed ke bachao me koyee bhi Musalman aage nahi aayaa, Yaani ke aap sabhi maantey hain ki Yazeed Paleed wo sab kuch hai jo ki maine likha tha? badaa hee ******......... Maafi chahunga magar Iblees ko Iblees kahna gaali nahi, AQEEDA HAI  bass har ek bande ka andaaz e bayan mukhtalif hota hai.

    By TABREZ ALI FROM JAUNPUR -



  • This is in response to the post from Faiz qouting the couplet "Bughz jis seenay men ho Siddique ka Farooq ka, Hai yahi behtar woh seena umr bhar pit-ta rahay"

    If you are hinting at the Azadari and Matam of Shias, here is a rejoinder..

    AINE ALI AUR AINE UMAR MEIN HAI FARQ KYA,

    JAISE HAI FARQ HE’ KA, HALA-LO HARAM MEIN

     

    Never ever dare to make fun of Azadari and the sacrifice of Imam Husain.

     

    By HUSAINI -



  • Dear Mr. Aamir Mughal,

    You will do this website and the readers a huge favour if you can ensure that your "cut and paste" texts are not irrelevant and donot run into thousands of words. No one has the time to read your irrelevant references and they get boring most of the time. Pl also realise that your "cut and paste" texts which are repetitive also occupy a lot of precious space of the website.

    Sultan Shahin, the administrator of this website may have so far not raised an objection to your cut and paste habit for reasons best known to him though he must realise that repetitive cut and paste texts would adversly affect the popularity of the website. You are however expected to pay heed to the concerns raised by most of the regulars on this website.

     

    By HASAN -



  • Faiz

    There was a couplet put on a forum by someone (I think it was Shariq) a few weeks ago:  here it is:
     
    Bughz jis seenay men ho Siddique ka Farooq ka
    Hai yahi behtar woh seena umr bhar pit-ta rahay
     
    Irfan

    By Faiz -



  • jamsheed basha from chennai

     

    I AGREE WITH YOU THAT AMIR MUGHAL HAS BECOME A PAIN WITH HIS STUPID CUT AND PASTE AND ALSO BY HIS INSPID PASTE. I HAVE REFUSED TO DEBATE WITH HIM SO SENILE ARE HIS POST, IN THINK AND WOULD RERQUEST MR SHAHION TO KICK HIM OFF FROM THE SITE AS NOT HE IS ONLY ANTI ISLAM BUT HIS POST LOSES DIGNITY AND HE OFTEN AS WORSE AS THAT OF TABREZ.

    PLEASE ASK MUGHAL TO RETIRE NIO ONE READ HIM AND HE IS SO SO BORING 

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • This site is fast becoming a cut and paste site with Amir Mughal in particular lavishly pasting so many things instead of indulging in a any meaningful debate on the issue at hand. If anybody interested in a debate in this forum, express your views without indulging in whoesome cut and paste, which is irritating and not making it an interesting reading. [Jamsheed]

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    Dear Mr Jamsheed,

    At least my cut and paste have information [not abuse] and by pasting links and reference i am avoiding being branded a  plagiarist. By the way if somebody attacks the Islamic Text [like www.faithfreedom.org] would you express your views or explain the background of Quran and Hadith [background of violent verses and text of Hadith] by quoting a different verse from Quran from another place to make it relevant. To support any argument one would have to cut and paste by providing a link or relevant reference.

    For example, New Age Islam want to discuss the Volatile Situation in Swat and Radicalization of Pakistan's Tribal Area then one would have to provide past history, news, article and study to discuss the issue threadbare or should we resort to bad mouth and condemn the whole Pashtun Community as Talibans [people in NWFP living in perpetual fear].

    If the site administrators have any objection then he can convey the message. Why are you so concern about this cut and paste.

    You, my dear Sir, first you should do away with your confusion on one hand quote Allama Iqbal for condemning the Theory of Watan and in the next paragraph you say Jai Hind. Decide what you want Watan or Islam, which as per Iqbal's Islam is a Funeral for the country. You say Pakistan came into being for Islam but I say [to counter the Fundos in Pakistan who are calling for Islami Khilafa] that a Rafizi was the Founding Father of Pakistan. These all comment need proper reference and that is why I cut and paste.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Sultan Shahin,

    This site is fast becoming a cut and paste site with Amir Mughal in particular lavishly pasting so many things instead of indulging in a any meaningful debate on the issue at hand. If anybody interested in a debate in this forum, express your views without indulging in whoesome cut and paste, which is irritating and not making it an interesting reading. I request every one kindly to take this suggestion seriously, if you are interested in making a meaningful debate of any issue posted here. Not only me, but many of the scholars are losing interest in joining the debate not only for cut and paste but also for use of most abusive language by a few.

    If anyone has any scholarly view on the subject, kindly contribute. But for the sake of it, do not indulge in such cut and paste, or attacking certain individuals over their views.

    Jamsheed Basha.

    By Jamsheed Bash, Chennai, India -



  •  Amir Mughal

    Why do you waste your energy on such insane blogs? It was so stupid to read behind the Iran revolution 1.  Do something creative bring some change in the society you live in which is infested with all the evils like terrorism aka Wahabism.  Criticizing Imam Khomeini will take you nowhere, his worth has been proved and it will never need your post or your views to undermine it.  He was the greatest leader to have walked in this century in front of our eyes.  At least Khomeini and Iran were not paying indemnity to Baba Bush Sr and Jr both to remain in power as Saudi Arabia, the servant of the US. [Faraz]

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    Go through the youtube audio and transcript below to learn as to how These Zbigniew Brzezinski [Former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, who is now a backbone on Foreign Poilcy for Obama - The President of the USA] helped Afghan Mullahs and Ayatullah Khomeini for "Cause of Islam". Khomeini [a brother of Mawdudi - The Founder of Jamat-e-Islami] was helped by the US CIA during IRAN-IRAQ WAR [READ THE US CONGRESS PROCEEDINGS ON IRAN CONTRA AFFAIRS] AND ALSO VISIT US NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVE http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/[ The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm
    [DECLASSIFIED US GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT ON THIS WHOLE OPERATION OF US Central Intelligence http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB40/

    Barack Obama, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Al Qaeda

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V-bxx7OyZ0

    Are We to Blame for Afghanistan? By Chalmers Johnson

    "Asked whether he in any way regretted these actions,

    Brzezinski replied:

    Regret what? The secret operation was an excellent idea. It drew the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? On the day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, saying, in essence: 'We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War.' 

    Nouvel Observateur: "And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?"

    Brzezinski: "What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?"

    http://hnn.us/articles/8438.html

    Are We to Blame for Afghanistan? By Chalmers Johnson

    Mr. Johnson's latest books are Blowback (Metropolitan, 2000) and The Sorrows of Empire (Metropolitan, 2004), the first two volumes in a trilogy on American imperial policies. The final volume is now being written. From 1967 to 1973, Johnson served as a consultant to the CIA's Office of National Estimates.

    This article first appeared on www.tomdispatch.com,  a weblog of the Nation Institute, which offers a steady flow of alternate sources, news and opinion from Tom Engelhardt, a long time editor in publishing, the author of The End of Victory Culture, and a fellow of the Nation Institute.

    http://hnn.us/articles/8438.html

    Copyright C2004 Chalmers Johnson

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  • Amir Mughal

     

    Why do you waste your energy on such insane blogs? It was so stupid to read behind the Iran revolution 1.  Do something creative bring some change in the society you live in which is infested with all the evils like terrorism aka Wahabism.  Criticizing Imam Khomeini will take you nowhere, his worth has been proved and it will never need your post or your views to undermine it.  He was the greatest leader to have walked in this century in front of our eyes.  At least Khomeini and Iran were not paying indemnity to Baba Bush Sr and Jr both to remain in power as Saudi Arabia, the servant of the US. [Faraz]

     

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    Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    For your kind perusal,

     

    Reflection on the Reality of Ruthless Cutthroat Irani Ayatullahs particularly Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini [brother of Jamat-e-Islami Goon  Mawdudi]

    The British and Americans finally settled on the virtually powerless son of Reza Khan, Mohammad Reza Shah, to be the new ruler of Iran. At first the young Shah turned down the offers made to him by the conspirators, even after visits from American Colonel H. Norman Schwarzkopf on August 1, 1953, and a later meeting with Kermit Roosevelt. Dorril writes that, "The Shah finally agreed to support the plan only 'after official US and British involvement had been confirmed through a special radio broadcast.'" BBC Persia was used to convey a pre-arranged coded message over the airwaves for the ears of the Shah in order to satisfy his doubts.

    To prepare for the coup the Americans funded Ayatollah Bihbani and the British gave a group led by Ayatollah Qanatabadi $100,000 to stir up unrest against Mossadegh. Ayatollah Kashani was given $10,000 by the CIA and his followers played a role in the demonstrations in central Tehran. Another group of fundamentalist agitators was led by Tayyeb Hsaj-Reza'i, a figure who later became a supporter of the Ayatollah Khomeini.

    The most noteworthy success of the Islamic movement during this time was of course the overthrow of the Shah of Iran and the installation of the Ayatollah Khomeini as the Islamic dictator. British Intelligence had used their contacts with Iran's mullahs and ayatollahs to help overthrow Mossadegh and install the Shah back in 1953, and these contacts were maintained and used again to overthrow the Shah when his regime fell out of favor.

    The Establishment history of Iran's Islamic Revolution is that Khomeini's revolt was spontaneous and populist, and that it overthrew a repressive dictatorship that was hated by the people but supported wholeheartedly by the United States. It is true that the Shah's government was not a democracy and that his secret service, trained by the CIA, was one of the most effective intelligence organizations in the world. But what is not reported is that prior to the British-sponsored massive public relations campaign on behalf of the Ayatollah the government of the Shah was loved by the vast majority of the population.

    After taking over from Mossadegh the Shah began to push forward a number of nationalist policies that increased his popularity at home but, in some cases, worried the Anglo-American Establishment. First, he signed petroleum agreements with ENI, the Italian oil company. Then in 1963 he pushed forward on a series of popular reforms that became known as the White Revolution. The Shah evolved into a nationalist whose path paralleled that of Nasser far too much for the Establishment's liking:

    - He bought land from the upper classes and, along with the crown's own land, sold it back cheaply to tenant farmers, allowing over one a half million people to become land owners and ending the old feudal system.

    - He allowed women the right to vote, and brought an end to the wearing of the veil, which were "Westernizing" moves unwelcomed by the religious sector.

    - He pushed forward on a $90 billion nuclear power program.

    - He moved to shut down the lucrative opium industry that had been created during the days of British Empire control that had been running for a hundred years.

    In 1973 The Economist magazine featured Iran on the front cover with the caption: "Iran the Next Japan of the Middle East?" Iran's economy had grown at a rate of 7-8% each year from 1965-1973 and was becoming an example for the developing nations of the world to follow. As far as the Anglo-American Establishment was concerned this could not be allowed to continue. Establishment goals were focused on world de-population and de-industrialization as formulated by policy makers like Lord Bertrand Russell and as advocated by establishment lackeys such as Kissinger, Zibigniew Brzezinski and Robert McNamara (the head of the World Bank), as well as by the British elites who controlled the World Wildlife Fund and other environmental front groups. Iran had to be brought down.

    The attack on the Shah's government came through the Muslim Brotherhood and through the mullahs and ayatollahs of Iran, supported and manipulated by British Intelligence. Dr. John Coleman, a former British Intelligence agent and author of a number of books and monographs detailing the Establishment's plan for a socialist world government, states in his report on Iran's Islamic Revolution (11) that the Muslim Brotherhood was created by "the great names of British Middle East intelligence, T.E. Lawrence, E.G. Browne, Arnold Toynbee. St. John Philby and Bertrand Russell," and that their mission was to "keep the Middle East backward so that its natural resource, oil, could continue to be looted..."

    Dr. Coleman writes that in 1980 the broadcasts of Radio Free Iran divided the enemies of the Shah into four categories:

    1. Iranian politicians bought by the Israeli Shin Bet,

    2. The CIA's network of agents,

    3. The feudal landowners,

    4. The Freemasons and the Muslim Brotherhood (viewed as the same enemy).

    In his report Dr. Coleman writes that in Iran, "At one time there was even a joke about the mullahs being stamped 'made in Britain.'" When the Shah introduced his plan for modernization in 1963 the Ayatollah Khomeini emerged as the leader of the religious opposition. Up until his exile from Iran in 1964, Khomeini was based at the religious city of Qom. Dr. Coleman relates that Radio Free Iran claimed that while at Qom Khomeini received a "monthly stipend from the British, and he is in constant contact with his masters, the British."

    Khomeini was kicked out of Iran and settled in Iraq. He lived there for a number of years until he was arrested by the Iraqi government and deported in 1978. French President D'Estang was then pressured to offer Khomeini refuge in France to continue his "Islamic studies." While in France he became a Western celebrity and the symbol of the anti-Shah Islamic revolution. Coleman writes, "Once Khomeini was installed at the Chateau Neauphle, he began to receive a constant stream of visitors, many of them from the BBC, the CIA and British intelligence."

    At the same time Amnesty International was continuing its intense campaign against the Shah's government, accusing it of torture and other terrible human rights abuses. The international press picked up on this theme and carried it around the world.

    The BBC then became the Ayatollah's main promoter. Dr. Coleman writes, "It was the BBC, which prepared and distributed to the mullahs in Iran all of the cassette tapes of Khomeini's speeches, which inflamed the peasants. Then the BBC began to beam accounts of torture by the Shah's SAVAK to all corners of the world... In September and October 1978 the BBC began to beam Khomeini's inflammatory ravings direct to Iran in Farsi. The Washington Post said, 'the BBC is Iran's public enemy number one.'"

    The BBC Persian Service came to be nicknamed in Iran the "Ayatollah BBC" for its non-stop coverage of everything that Khomeini wanted to say (12). Soon a large segment of the Iranian public, most of them impressionable young students, became convinced that the Shah truly was evil and that a return to pure shi'ite Islam under the Ayatollah's leadership was the only way to save their country. The Carter Administration, manipulated by British lackey Zbigniew Brzezinski, then collaborated with the British to topple the Shah and install Khomeini.

    Dr. Coleman relates that Carter appointed Trilateralist George Ball to head a commission on U.S. policy in the Persian Gulf. Ball's recommendation was that the U.S. should withdraw its support for the Shah's regime. Dr. Coleman quotes from the Shah's own memoirs to confirm the American stance, the reality that is contrary to the mass-marketed Establishment line that the U.S. supported the Shah to the end,

    "I did not know it then, perhaps I did not want to know - but it is clear to me now, the Americans wanted me out. What was I to make of the sudden appointment of Ball to the White House as an advisor to Iran? I knew that Ball was no friend of Iran. I understood that Ball was working on a special report on Iran. But no one ever informed me what areas the report was to cover, let alone its conclusions. I read them months later when I was in exile, and my worst fears were confirmed. Ball was among those Americans who wanted to abandon me, and ultimately my country."

    After the Shah stepped down in 1979 and fled the country his "firm ally," the United States, even refused to allow him asylum forcing him to move with his family to Egypt. During the subsequent takeover of the American embassy when supporters of the Ayatollah kept Americans hostage for 444 days it became crystal clear to the entire world that the anti-democratic, anti-Israel Islamic movement was also very anti-West. Nonetheless the Anglo-American Establishment continued to support and promote radical Islam.


    Reference:

    1 - MI6 : Inside the Covert World of Her Majesty's Secret Intelligence Service (Hardcover) by Stephen Dorril

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743203798/qid=1026699020/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-5774344-2627319

    2 - What Really Happened In Iran, Dr. John Coleman


     

     

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  • Amir Mughal Saheb,

     

    I am surprised at your mail rejoinder. Without even thinking for once you came with such lengthy platitudes.  This is the problem with you all that you want to throw you butt on every issue.  The conspiracy I mentioned was nothing to do with the thing you mentioned.  I was merely reflecting on the conspiracy to defame Mr Shahin and his website which has become a great platform to discuss crucial issues.  By using these derogatory remarks someone was trying to wean away readers and participants away from this site. 

    This has to be condemned and not the way you with your limited thinking has analysed. I have been an admirer of Mr Shahin and his website and had also participated in the debate earlier on.  It was sad that debate had gone to that extent that it could even use foul languages. My post was not aimed at the shias, Sunnis, wahabis Hanafi, hambali or shafie  but to Mr Shahin and his website and the caution to safeguard it.  You canard was totally unwarranted and it has confirmed my belief that someone from your school of thinking had indeed done the mischief. 

     

    By MERAJ ZIYA -



  • Thank you MERAJ ZIYA Saheb,

    That offensive post has already been removed.

    Editor

    By Sultan Shahin -



  •  Dear Mr Sultan Shaheen,

     

    I am amazed to read a post from one Tabrez Ali from Jaunpur and the content mentioned in.  It is bizarre and looks like a conspiracy.  No, this is not acceptable.  May be this Tabrez Ali is an impostor and wants to create more difference among the Muslim ummah [Meraj Ziya]

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    Dear and Respected Meraj Sahab,

     

    Yes, this sure is Conspiracy and as per Giant and Great Shia Scholars:

     

    Some of our Shia Brothers claim that Abdullah Ibn Sabah aka Ibn-e-Sauda [A Jew who inveneted the Rafizi (Extremist Shia) Ideology that there is Allah in Ali] is a myth.

    As per Shia sources:

    I 'll try to prove my point, not by using Sunni sources, but will call to the witness stand their very own historians and whom they call deputies of Allah on earth, the "Infallible" Imams:

     

    Al-Hasan bin Ali al-Hilly, another famous Shi'i biographist, and examine what he had to say about the Jew Ibn Saba':

    "Abdullah bin Saba' returned to disbelief and showed extremism. He claimed prophethood, and that Ali [as] was Allah (in the flesh). Ali [as], for three (consecutive) days asked him to repent but he failed, thereupon, he [as] burned him (alive) with seventy other men who attributed divinship to him" [Kitaab al-Rijaal: al-Hilly, p.469, printed in Tehran, Iran 1383 h. From Ash-Shi'a wat-Tashayyu', p.56]


    First: Abu Muhammad al-Hasan bin Musa al-Nubakhti:

    The well known Shi'ite "Who's Who" critic, al-Najashi in his al-Fihrist, wrote:

    "al-Hasan bin Musa: Abu Muhammad al-Nubakhti, the well versed in dialectism, who surpassed the peers of his time prior and after the 300 (hijra)" al-Fihrist: al-Najashi, p.47; From Ash-Shi'a was-Sunnah, p.22

    Another "Who's Who" critic, At-Tusi, in his al-Fihrist wrote:

    "Abu Muhammad, dialectist and philosopher, was an Imami (shi'ite), an upright in faith, trustworthy (thiqah)....and he is one of the scholars' landmarks" al-Fihrist: At-Tusi, p.98; From Ash-Shi'a Was-Sunnah, p.22

    Nurallah at-Tasturi, in his "Majaalis al-Mu'mineen" wrote:

    "al-Hasan bin Musa, one of the celebrity of this sect and its scholars. He was a dialectist, a philosopher, an Imami in faith" Majaalis al-Mu'mineen: Nurallah At-Tasturi, p.177; from Ash-Shi'a was-Sunnah, p.22

    Having established the authority of this historian from the Shi'ites own sources, let's read what Mr. al-Nubakhti had to say about Ibn Saba':

    "Abdullah bin Saba', was one of those who slandered Abu Bakr, Omar, Othman and the Companions and disowned them. He claimed that it was Ali [as] who enjoined this on him. Ali arrested him, and upon interrogation, admitted to the charge, and (Ali) ordered him to be executed. The People cried 'O Chief of Believers ! Do you execute a man calling to your love, Ahlul-Bayt, to your allegiance, and disowning your enemies?' He (Ali) then exiled him to al-Mada'in (Capital of Iran back then). Some of the knowledgeable companions of Ali [as] narrated that Abdullah bin Saba' was a Jew who embraced Islam and sided with Ali [as]. That he was of the opinion, at the time when he was a Jew, claiming that Yousha' bin Noon is after Moses. After his submission to Islam, after the demise of the Prophet [pbuh], he claimed the same for Ali [as]. He was the first to publicly mandate the Imamah of Ali [as], disowning his enemies, and debated his opposers. From thence, those who oppose Shi'ism say: The origin of Shi'ism is rooted in Judaism. When Abdullah bin Saba' heard of the demise of Ali while in (his exile at) al-Mada'in, he said to the announcer of the news: 'You are a liar, if you are to bring his head in seventy bags, and brought seventy witnesses testifying to his death, we'll insist that he did not die nor murdered, and (he) shall not die till he rules the globe' ". Firaq al-Shi'a: Nubakhti, pp. 43,44

    Second: Abu Amr bin Abdul Aziz al-Kash-shi: Another well known "Who's Who" critic who also mentioned Ibn Saba', and one of the earliest Shi'ite biographist. In the "Introduction" to his book, known as "Rijaal al-Kash-shi", we read:

    "He is trustworthy (thiqah), an adept, an expert in traditions and men, very knowledgeable, well founded in faith, on the upright path......The most important books on biographies of men are four, which are heavily depended on and (considered) the four basic pillars in this field, the most important and earliest of all is: Ma'rifat al-Naqileen anil-A'immah As-Sadiqeen (Knowing the Transmittors on The Authority of The Truthful Imams) known as Rijaal al-Kash-shi".

    Rijaal al-Kash-shi: al-Najaashi, Introduction.

    Having established the authority of this scholar, let's examine what he has to say about the Jew Ibn Saba':

    "Some people of knowledge mentioned that Abdullah bin Saba' was a Jew, who embraced Islam and supported Ali. While he was still a Jew, he used to go to extremism in calling Yousha' bin Noon as the appointee (successor) of Moses, thus after embracing Islam - after the demise of the Messenger of Allah [pbuh] - he said the like about Ali. It was him who first publicly announced the mandatory Iamamah for Ali, rejected and disowned his enemies, debated his opponents and called them Kafirs. Hence, those who oppose the Shi'ites often say: The Shi'ites and Rejectors (Rafidah) have their roots in Judaism" [Rijaal al-Kash-shi: Abu 'Amr bin Abdul Aziz al-Kash-shi, p.101 al-Mamaqaani, author of "Tanqeeh al-Maqaal", who is an authoritative Shi'i biogrophist quoted the like in his said book, p.184]

    Now, if these Shi'ites authorities lied about the identity of Ibn Saba', then the possibility of them lying about other matters, like the events of Siffien, the murder of al-Hussain [ra] and other Shi'i dogmas, stands greater. Consequently, if this is the case, doubt will overshadow any and all events and narrations recorded by them.

    But assuming that the foresaid men are liars, and error infiltrated to their books, and therefore their testimony is not a proof (hujjah) nor binding, then we invite you to examine the testimony of those who are "Infallible" and looked at as "Deputies of Allah" whose sayings are equal to Allah's as the Shi'ites claim:

    1. "Narrated to me Muhammad bin Qolawaih: Narrated to me Sa'd bin Abdullah, said: Narrated to us Yaqoub bin Yazeed and Muhammad bin Issa from Ali bin Mahziyar, from Fadalah bin Ayoub al-Azdi, from Abban bin Othman said: I heard Abu Abdullah [as] saying:

    'May Allah curse Abdallah bin Saba', he claimed a divineship for Amirul-Mu'mineen (Ali) [as]. By Allah, Amierul-Mu'mineen [as] was volunterily the slave of Allah. Woe to him who lie about us, for there are people who say about us what we don't say about ourselves,we clear ourselves to Allah from them, we clear ourselves to Allah from them'."

    2. "Narrated Yaqoub bin Yazeed from Ibn Abi Omair and Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Issa, from his father and al-Husain bin Sa'eed, from Hisham bin Salim, from Abu Hamza al-Thumali said: Ali bin al-Husain [as] said:

    'May the curse of Allah be upon those who tell lies about us. I mentioned Abdullah Ibn Saba and each hair in my body stood up, Allah cursed him. Ali (AS) was, by Allah, a proper servant of Allah, the brother of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH). He did not earn the graciousness/honor from Allah except with the obedience to Allah and His Messenger. And (similarly) the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) did not earn the honor from Allah except with his obedience to Allah'."

    3. Narrated Muhammad bin Khalid At-Tayalisi, from Ibn Abi Najran, from Abdullah bin Sinaan said: Abu Abdullah [as] said:

    "We are a family of truthfulness. But we are not safe from a liar telling lies about us to undermine our truth with his lies in front of people. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) was the most truthful among people in what he said (Lahjatan) and the most truthful among all humanity; and Musaylima used to lie on him. The Commander of Believers (AS) was the most truthful one among the creation of Allah after the Messenger of Allah; and the one who used to lie on him, and tried to undermine his truthfulness and claimed lies about Allah, was Abdullah Ibn Saba." .[Ibid, pp. 100,101]

    Shi'i biogrophist, al-Astra Abadi, and examine his tesitmony:

    "Abdullah bin Saba' claimed prophethood and that Ali [as] is himself Allah the Most Exalted. Upon hearing this charge, Amirul-Mu'mineen called and inquired it from him. When he admitted, he said to him: back off from this say and repent, may your mother lose you. However;(Ibn Saba') refused, and (Ali) held him for three days, and, still refusing to repent, he therefore burned him(alive)" [Manhaj al-Maqaal: al-Astar Abadi, p.203, from: Ash-Ashia wat-Tashayyu', p.56]

    The fact is that the existence of Ibn Saba is attested to in almost every Shi‘i biographical work. Dr. Sa‘di al-Hashimi in his book Ibn Saba:

    Haqiqah La Khayal (pp. 25-28, Maktabat ad-Dar, Madina 1406) has listed over 20 Shi‘i sources that testify to the existence of Ibn Saba.

    The book is Ikhtiyar Ma‘rifat ar-Rijal, which is Abu Ja‘far at-Tusi’s recension of Abu ‘Amr al-Kashshi’s 4th century biographical dictionary of Shi‘i hadith narrators. In this book the entry for Ibn Saba spans a full two pages (323-324), and consists of five separate reports, their numbers running from 170 to 174. Below are given a list of the Imams with whom these five reports originate:

    170: Imam Muhammad al-Baqir

    171: Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq

    172: Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq

    173: Imam Zayn al-‘Abidin

    174: Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq

    (See Ikhtiyar Ma‘rifat ar-Rijal, pp. 323-324, ed. as-Sayyid Mahdi ar-Rijali, published by Mu’assasat Al al-Bayt, Qum, 1404)

    The reporters of these narrations are all of the Shi‘ah.

    It would be absurd to say “that the story of ‘Abdullah Bin Saba’ has been started by Saif and cited primarily from Tabari”.

    Only one Shi‘i writer—al-‘Askari—who completely denies the historicity of Ibn Saba.

    Contemporary Shi‘i writer who categorically affirms the existence of Ibn Saba. Shaykh Muhammad Husayn az-Zayn al-‘Amili writes in his book ash-Shi‘ah fit-Tarikh:

    However it may be, Ibn Saba definitely existed and manifested ghuluww (extremism), even though some people doubt his existence and made him out to be an imaginary character created by personal interests. As for us, on grounds of the latest research we have no doubt concerning his existence and his extremism... Yes, Ibn Saba exhibited extremism in his religion. This innovation of his seeped into the thinking of a group that was by no means small, and that group was named after him. (Muhammad Husayn az-Zayn, ash-Shi‘ah fit-Tarikh, p. 213, Dar al-Athar, Beirut, 1979)

    Ibn Saba is held responsible for the introduction of many phenomena which later developed into hallmark aspects of Shi'aism. The Shi‘ah (or at least those of them who accept his existence, like Shaykh Muhammad Husayn az-Zayn al-‘Amili) admit that he exhibited extremist tendencies. In the Tarikh of Ibn ‘Asakir he is on record as having

    vilified Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (Ibn ‘Asakir vol. 29 pp. 8,9)

    believed the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam) to have imparted

    to ‘Ali special knowledge which was not known to anyone but him. (Ibn ‘Asakir vol. 29 p. 9)

    believed ‘Ali to have been the Dabbat al-Ard, the creator and the giver of sustenance (Ibn ‘Asakir vol. 29 p. 9)

    The first two of these beliefs are common features of Ithna ‘Ashari Shi'aism, while the third one with its extremist overtones is more reminiscent of the Ghulat. That particular aspect of Ibn Saba’s role finds further corroboration in the Shi'ite biographical literature.

    Al-Kashshi, for example, reports the following

    Hisham ibn Salim reports that Abu ‘Abdillah (Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq) told his companions the story of Ibn Saba, and his claims of divinity for Amir al-Mu’minin. He said: When he made those claims Amir al-Muminin asked him to repent. He refused to repent, so Amir al-Mu’minin burnt him fire. (Ikhtiyar Ma‘`rifat ar-Rijal, vol. 1 p. 323)

    Extremist tendencies like these were originally introduced by Ibn Saba. Before him no one, not even the little group of Sahabah like Abu Dharr and Salman al-Farisi, whom the Shi‘ah look upon as the early Shi‘ah, ever made such claims, neither did any one of them ever speak ill of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar. This too, was invented by Ibn Saba.

    Extremism did not die with the death of Ibn Saba. It persisted, and the centre of its activities, as Jafri tells us in The Origins and Early Development of Shi‘ah Islam (p. 300), was the city of Kufa. Here we stand before an interesting observation that was brought to light by Jafri. He writes:

    There is another important point that must be discussed here briefly. A considerable number of traditions are to be found, especially in the earliest Shi'ite collection of hadith, Al-KAAFI, which describe the Imams as supernatural human beings. What was the origin of these traditions, and to what extent are the Imams themselves responsible for them? These traditions are reported, as indeed are all Shi‘i traditions, on the authority of one of the Imams, in this case from Al-Baqir and Ja‘far. But were these Imams really the authors of such traditions, which describe their supernatural character? The first thing which must be noted in this connection is that while Al-Baqir and Ja‘far themselves lived in Medina, most of their followers lived in Kufa. This fact brings us to a crucial problem. Kufa had long been a centre of ghulat speculations and activities. Whether ‘Abd Allah bin Saba, to whom the history of the ghulat is traced, was a real personality or not, the name as-Saba’iyya is often used to describe the ghulat in Kufa who believed in the supernatural character of ‘Ali. According to the heresiographers, Ibn Saba was the first to preach the doctrine of waqf (refusal to recognise the death of ‘Ali) and the first to condemn the first two caliphs in addition to ‘Uthman. (Jafri, The Origins and Early Development of Shi‘a Islam, p. 300, Ansariyan Publications, Qum)

    This same Kufa, which was the hotbed of Shi'ite activities and ghulat tendencies, was also the home of the most prolific narrators of the hadith which the Shi‘ah ascribe to the Imams, and which are documented in their hadith compendiums such as al-KAAFI, Man La Yahduruhu al-Faqih, Tahdhib al-Ahkam and al-Istibsar. Since it is upon this corpus of narrated material that the entire edifice of Shi‘ism rests, it would be of interest to see what kind of people were these men on whose authority it is narrated from the Imams.

    Some of the most prolific narrators of the Shi‘ah are

    Zurarah ibn A`yan

    Muhammad ibn Muslim at-Ta’ifi

    Abu Basir Layth ibn al-Bakhtari al-Muradi

    al-Mufaddal ibn ‘Umar al-Ju‘fi

    All four of these men were from Kufah. Let us take a closer look at these men:

    Zurarah ibn A‘yan

    Sayyid Bahr al-‘Ulum states that the family of A‘yan, of which Zurarah was a scion, was the largest Shi‘i family of Kufa. (Rijal as-Sayyid Bahr al-‘Ulum, a.k.a al-Fawa’id ar-Rijaliyyah, vol. 1 p. 222)

    Zurarah has always posed a problem in Shi‘ism, because while is on the one hand regarded as the most prolific narrator from the Imams al-Baqir and as-Sadiq, the Imams are also recorded as having cursed and excommunicated him. The Shi‘ah attempt to reconcile these two contradictory attitudes through the dubious and completely unconvincing explanation of taqiyyah by the Imams.

    Regarding the wealth of narrations which Zurarah reports, we are informed by al-Kashshi that had it not been for Zurarah, the ahadith of al-Baqir would have been lost. (Ikhtiyar Ma‘rifat ar-Rijal vol. 1 p. 345) Sayyid Abul Qasim al-Khu’i has counted 2094 of his narrations in the four books, all of them from the Imams al-Baqir and as-Sadiq, (al-Khu’i, Mu‘jam Rijal al-Hadith vol. 7 p. 249)

    On the other hand, al-Kashshi records that Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq cursed Zurarah. The following quotation is but one of several places where his cursing of Zurarah is on record:

    By Allah, he has ascribed lies to me! By Allah, he has ascribed lies to me! By Allah, he has ascribed lies to me! May Allah curse Zurarah! May Allah curse Zurarah! May Allah curse Zurarah! (Ikhtiyar Ma‘`rifat ar-Rijal, vol. 1 p. 361)

    Despite Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq’s cursing of Zurarah, he is still accepted by the Shi‘ah as the most prolific and reliable authority for the ahadith of the Imams. He hails from Kufa, the centre of the successors of Ibn Saba; he is cursed by the Imam as Ibn Saba was cursed by Sayyiduna ‘Ali; and yet he is respected as a trustworthy and reliable narrator of the ahadith which form the basis of Shi‘ism!

    Muhammad ibn Muslim

    Muhammad ibn Muslim is another Kufan narrator whose credentials as a narrator are extremely suspect, but who is accepted by the Shi‘ah as a reliable narrator all the same. This Muhammad ibn Mus, who claims to have heard 30 000 ahadith from Imam Muhammad al-Baqir, and a further 16 000 from his son Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq (See Ikhtiyar Ma‘rifat ar-Rijal vol. 1 p. 391) is also recorded by al-Kashshi to have been cursed by Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq (vol. 1 p. 394) just as Ibn Saba was cursed by his great-grandfather!

    Abu Basir al-Muradi

    In Abu Basir we have another very prolific Kufan narrator whose character fails to convince anyone of his trustworthiness. He, together with Zurarah, is regarded of those who preserved the legacy of the Imams al-Baqir and as-Sadiq. He is one of a very select group of narrators about whom it is said that “there is consensus amongst the Shi‘ah to accept what is authentically narrated from them.” (See al-Mamaqani, Miqbas al-Hidayah vol. 2 p. 171)

    However, Mir Damad in his annotations to Rijal al-Kashshi notes that the Shi‘i hadith critic Abul Husayn ibn al-Ghada’iri said of him:

    Abu ‘Abdillah (Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq) used to get annoyed and upset with his presence, and his companions are in disagreement amongst themselves about him. I (Ibn al-Ghada’iri) believe that he was cursed on account of (matters pertaining to) his religion, not his narrations. To me he is a trustworthy narrator. (Ikhtiyar Ma‘`rifat ar-Rijal, vol. 1 p. 397. See also al-Ardabili, Jami‘ ar-Ruwat vol. 3 p. 43)

    Again we have here a most prolific Kufan narrator who was cursed by Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq just like Ibn Saba was cursed by Sayyiduna ‘Ali!

    Al-Mufaddal ibn ‘Umar

    Here we have another Kufan narrator who is regarded by eminent Shi‘i hadith critics as a reliable transmitter of the Imams’ hadith. Al-Ardabili in Jami‘ ar-Ruwat (vol. 2 p. 258) records that Shaykh Mufid mentioned al-Mufaddal as belonging to the “inner circle, reliable and pious Fuqaha” of Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq’s followers. Abu Ja‘far at-Tusi too, is quoted as having mentioned al-Mufaddal amongst the mamduhin (praiseworthy).

    But Imam Ja‘far is recorded by al-Kashshi to have addressed by calling him, “You Kafir! You Mushrik!” (See Ikhtiyar Ma‘rifat ar-Rijal vol. 2 p. 612) Another lengthier narration of al-Kashshi runs as follows:

    ‘Abdullah ibn Miskan says: Hujr ibn Za’idah and ‘Amir ibn Judha‘ah al-Azdi came to Abu ‘Abdillah [Imam Ja‘far] and told him: “May we be ransomed for you! Mufaddal says that you [the Imams] determine the sustenance of the people.” He [Imam Ja‘far said]: “By Allah, no one besides Allah determines our sustenance. One day I needed food for my family. I was under difficult circumstances and thought hard about it, until I managed to secure food for them. Only then did I feel content. May Allah curse him and disown him.” They asked: “Do you curse and disown him?” He replied: “Yes, so you too, curse him and disown him. May Allah and His messenger disown him.” (Ikhtiyar Ma‘rifat ar-Rijal vol. 2 p. 614)

    The above narration clearly identifies al-Mufaddal with the heresy originally introduced by Ibn Saba. In the biography of Ibn Saba given in al-Kashshi’s Rijal, Imam al-Baqir is reported to have stated that Ibn Saba claimed himself to be a prophet, and ‘Ali to be Allah (See Ikhtiyar Ma‘rifat ar-Rijal vol. 1 p. 323). If we return to al-Mufaddal’s biography in the same book we find the following:

    Al-Kashshi says: The extremist Tayyarah mention in some of their books on the authority of al-Mufaddal that he said: “Seventy prophets were killed with Abu Isma‘il, meaning Abul Khattab, each one of whom had seen and announced his prophethood.”

    [They also say] that he said: Twelve of us were admitted to the presence of Abu ‘Abdillah [Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq]. Abu ‘Abdillah started greeting each one of us, calling each of us by the name of a prophet. To some he said, “Peace be upon you, O Nuh.” To some he said, “Peace be upon you, O Ibrahim,” To last one he greeted he said, “Peace be upon you, O Yunus.” Then he said, “Do not distinguish between the Prophets.” (Ikhtiyar Ma‘rifat ar-Rijal vol. 2 p. 614)

    This Mufaddal, whom al-Kashshi says was of the extremist Khattabiyyah sect, the followers of Abul Khattab, whose beliefs derived directly from Ibn Saba himself—this Mufaddal is exonerated by contemporary Shi‘i scholars such as Shaykh ‘Abdullah al-Mamaqani, and Sayyid Abul Qasim al-Khu’i as a most reliable and trustworthy transmitter of the knowledge of the Imams. Al-Mamaqani gives a lengthy explanation about what exactly constitutes ghuluww (See Tanqih al-Maqal vol. 3 p. 240 and Miqbas al-Hidayah vol. 2 p. 397) and concludes that the kind of things on account of which al-Mufaddal was labelled as a ghali has since become of the undeniable tenets (daririyyat) of Shi‘ism.

    A Persian historian, in his "Tareekh Shi'i" confirmed and wrote:

    "When Abdullah bin Saba' learned that the opposition to Othman in Egypt was greater, he went there and pretended the knowledge and righteouseness until the people trusted him. After he established himself there, he started to propagate his ideas and theory, that for each Prophet was an appointed successor, and the appointee (wasi) of the Apostle of Allah and his successor is no other than Ali, who is blessed with knowledge and Fatwa, ornamented with generousity and courage, and known for his honesty and righteouseness. He further said: The Ummah has wronged Ali, usurped his right, the right of Khilafah (succession) and Walayah (allegiance). It is encumbant upon you all to aid and support him. He (immediately) revoked his obedience and allegiance to Othman, and touched many Egyptians with his sayings and deeds, and they revolted against Othman" [Tareekh Shi'i: Rawdat As-Safa, vol.2, p.292, Tehran Ed., From: Ashi'a wat-Tashayyu',p.56]

    Following facts have been endorsed by the Giant Shia Scholar Majlisi in his book "Jila-ul Uyyun: written in persian langrage; Among the Shia Mugaddithin Abbas Qummi has mentioned them in his "Muntah-il-Amal": it is also written in Persian. Ibn abi al Hadid, too, has recorded it in his book "Sharh Nahf-ul-Balaghah".

    The Shia Scholar Ibn abi al-Hadid writes:

    "Abdullah bin Saba appeared after the death of Hadhrat Ali. He was, in fact a Jew but wore the badge of Islam. His followers are called "Sabais". These people believed that Hadhrat Ali had not died but he was still alive among the skies. The thunder is his voice and the lightening is his glitter. Whenever they heard the clap, they uttered

    (Peace on you, O Amir-ul-Mominin!)

    These cruel people talked of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in extremely unrefined and indecorous language, accused him of baseless motives and publicly claimed that he had suppressed ninety percent of the divine revelation. The Sabai belief about the revelation has been discarded by Hassan bin Ali bin Muhammad bin Hanifiyyah in a letter in which he mentions "Arja". The contents of this letter have been communicated by Sulaiman bin abi Shaikh through Haitham bin Muawiyyah, Abdul Aziz bin Abban and Abdul Wahid bin Aiman Makki. Makki relates that he was with Hassan bin Ali bin Muhammad bin Hanifayyah when he was dictating the letter. He dictated that, according to the Sabais, they had been blessed with a revelation which the people had rejected, that they had been blessed with knowledge which was hidden from other people. These lousy people believe that the Prophet (peace be upon him) had suppressed ninety percent of the divine revelation, though if the Prophet (peace be upon him) had really suppressed revelation, he would have blotted out the verses relating to the wife of Hadhrat Zayd or he would have suppressed the contents of the following verse:

    (Do you desire the willing support of your wives?)

    Hadhrat Hassan could not wage war against them in the style of his father. On the contrary the Sabais enjoyed great latitude during his tenure and spread the message of friction and disunity without much restraint. They intensified their efforts to inject the poison of dissension into the veins of the Muslim body. When the Shias were disenchanted with Hadhrat Ali, they fell an easy prey to the Sabai conspiracy. Some of them felt inclined towards Hadhrat Muawiyyah and some of them joined the Kharijis. Hadhrat Hassan had almost lost his grip over them. These developments have been sketched out by Mufid, Urbili, Majlisi etc. in their respective books. They have reerred to Hadhrat Muawiyyah’s advance towards Iraq:

    "Hadhrat Muawiyyah marched towards Iraq to secure a point of vantage, but when he reached Jasr Manbaj, Hadhrat Hassan also moved into action. He sent a message to his officials to make preparation for a confrontation and also asked the people to come out in the name of Jehad. The people felt that the call of Jehad was too heavy a burden for them to carry. But some of them responded to the call the and an assortment of people joined him. Some of them were his shias and the shias of his father. Others believed that war must by waged against Hadhrat Muqwiyyah at any cost. There were still others who relished mischief as well as the spoils of war. Some of them were the victims of skepticism, others of fanaticism. They were the willing slaves of their chedftains and were the least attached to their faith. He set out witch these people until he arrived in Hamam Umr. Then passing through Dir Ka’ab, they camped at Sabat in the low-lying area of Qantarhah. They spent the night there. In the morning he tried to test the loyalty of his companions to discriminate between friends and foes and to wage a purposive and better-conducted war with Hadhrat Muawiyyah and the Syrians. He commanded all of them to rally at a specific spot. When they had assembled, he addressed them:

    By God! I believe that by the grace of Allah I am a person with the best motives and intentions as I bear malice towards none, nor do I intend to entertain evil towards anyone in future. Remember, it is always better to express you dislikes while remaining within the party than expressing them while you are split and splintered. Keep it in mind, my friends, that I desire your welfare even better that your own selves. Therefore you should neither oppose me nor contradict my opinion. May God forgive us all, and may He enable you to seek His love and pleasure"!

    They looked with amazement at one another when they heard his address and gave vent to wild speculation: What do you think are Hadhrat Hassan’s intentions? They concluded: By God! We guess that he intends to negotiate with Muawiyyah and hand over the affairs of Khilafat to him. They added: these people will turn infidels if he does so. Then they attacked his tent, looted his goods and even pulled the prayer mat from under him. Abdur Rahman bin Avdullah bin Jaal Azdi assaulted him, whisked away the shawl from his shoulders. He sat down shawlless on the ground, the sword dangling from his neck, them called for his horse. But his Shias and special companions surrounded him on all sides and protected those he wanted to punish. He told the people to call Rabi and Himlan. When they came, they pushed the people away and he set out on his journey again. He was accompanied by a number of other people as well. When he passed through Muslims Sabat, Jarrah bin Sanan of the Asad tribe attacked him. He held the bride of his horse. He carried a long pointed missle in his hand. He said: God is great! O Hassan, you have committed infidelity as your father had done before you. Then he inflicted a blow on his thigh with a spear. The spear tore thorough the tight and penetrated down to the bone. Hadhrat Hassan grappled with him and both of them tumbled to the ground. Meanwhile one of the Shias of Hassan leapt towards them. His name was Abdullah bin Khatal Tai. He snatched the spear from Jarrah’s hand and jabbed it into his belly. An other man Zibiyyan bin Ammarah also pounced at him and chopped off his nose. He died instantly.

     

    The other man with him was also caught and kille. Hadhrat Hassan was brought to Madain on a cot, and he stayed at the residence of Saad bin Masud Thaqafi who officially represented the Amir-ul-Mo-minin in Madain. Hadhrat Hassan had also retained him in the same office. In Madain he devoted his attention towards his treatment. Meanwhile a number of chieftains secretly wrote to Muawiyyah that they were ready to pledge to him. They strongly persuaded him to come to them. They assured him that they would either had over Hadhrat Hassan to him as soon as he reached there or kill him. Hadhrat Hassan also came to know about their secret plan. He received a letter from Hadhrat Qays bin Saad. He had dispatched him to Abdullah bin Abbas on his return from Kufah to meet Hadhrat Muawiyyah and to prevail upon him to keep off Iraq. He had also appointed him the leader of the party and told him that in case of his martyrdom Qays bin Saad would act as the leader. Qays informed him in the letter that they had invited Muawiyyah to a settlement called Hububiyyah. On the other side Hadhrat Muawiyyah sent for Ubaidullah bin Abbas. He fixed a sum of one million dirham as surety. Half of the amount was to be shelled out immediately while the remaining half would be paid in Kufah. Ubaid Ullah moved towards Muawiyya’s army with his special companions during the night. When the people found their leader off the scene, Hadhrat Qais bin Saad led the prayers and acted on his behalf. Hadhrat Hassan realized that the people were determined to humiliate him. He felt that they had switched their loyalties. They ridiculed him as a result of the twist in their motives, accuse him of infidelity, looted his property and legitimized his murder. Most of the people around him were mischief—mongers. They were all out to harm and humiliate him. His own Shias and the Shias of his father were too few to put up a meaningful and effective resistance to the Syrian on-slaught. Hadhrat Muawiyyah dispatched a letter of conciliation to him.


    He also mentioned in his letter the letters of his companions in which they had expressed their intention of either handing him over or killing him. He offered a package of terms and conditions to bring about a reconciliation, and to agree to these terms was what the times clearly dictated, but Hadhrat Hassan did not trust him and mistook his gesture of sincerity for and ill-conceived pretense, though, on account of the treachery and disloyalty of his companions, the best course for him was to accept his offer of conciliation. I have already stressed the fact that his companions were a bunch of rogues. They were scoundrels and seemed determined to install some one else as their Amir in his place. Most ho them wanted to spill his blood and hand him over to his adversaries. His own cousin was also against him and he wanted to degrade him and pass him over to his opponents. The majority of his companions were inclined towards earthly benefits and rewards and had grown indifferent towards the punishments of the next world. However, Hadhrat Hassan secured the trust and confidence of Hadhrat Muawiyyah. He raise all the objections that could possibly be raised. One of the conditions was that the Amir-ul-Mominin will not be persecuted. During prayers he will not be condemend; the Shias of Ali will not be maltreated and justice will be done to everyone. Hadhrat Muawiyyah accepted all the terms and pledged to fulfil them

    Ibn abi al-Hadid adds: When Hadhrat Hassan decided to leave Madain, he addressed the people: You have pledged to me that you will be reconciled to those with whom I am reconciled and you will fight those with whom I fight. By God! At this moment I bear no malice towards any member of my community whether he lives in the east or in the west. You dislike grouping, peace and reconciliation but these are better that rift, fear, spite and enmity which you appear to relish. My father Hadhrat Ali used to say that we should not look down upon the leadership to Muawiyyah because if we discard him, it will be like the irreversible chipping of heads off the shoulders that carry them.

    Then he climbed down the pulpit. The people said to him: You have uttered these words because you want to resign and dish out the Khilafat to Hadhrat Muawiyyah. Therefore they flared up, rejected his contention, looted the goods, snatched away his shawl and pounced upon the slave maid who was with him and they splintered into different groups. One group clearly played his tunes while the majority of people supplied the discordant notes. He said:

    (O Allah! I need your help)

    He ordered the people to march and they marched away. Somebody brought his horse to him and he jumped on it. Some of his friends surrounded him but the others protected him and the march continued. Sanan bin Jarah Asadi accompanied him to Muzlim Sabat and stayed with him. He came closer to him and spoke to him in rather confidential tones. Then he struck his spear at his thigh with such force that it almost touched the bone. He became unconscious and his friends caught him, trying to excel on another.

    Shia historian have elucidated that the people who had forced Hadhrat Hassan, looted his property and wounded him, belonged to Sabat Madian, the spot to which Hadhrat Ale had Exiled Abdullah bin Saba. They were deeply impressed by the views and beliefs of Ibn Saba and were actively engaged in their dissemination and publicity. They also included Mukhrtar bin abi Ubaid Thaqafi, a victim of Sabaism, who subsequently gained immense reputation and became the self-styled spokesman of the views preached by the dissembling jew, Ibn Saba. The historian have mentioned that when Hassan ibn Ali landed in Madain in wounded state, Mukhtar knew the whole state of affairs. Mukhtar asked him: do you need wealthy and status? He inquired: how is it possible? Mukhtar replied: you should arest Hussain ibn Ali and dispatch him to Muawiyyah as a prisoner. Hadhrat Hassan replied: may God disgrace you and curse your words! Do you expect me to betray the grandson of the Messenger of Allah?

    When Hadhrat Hassan perceived that the Sabai threat had acquired ominous proportions, his own Shias were degrading and humiliating him and human blood was spilling all over, he found reconciliation the only way out of the intractable situation. The Shia historian Yaqubi relates that Hadhrat Hassan had lost a large quantity of blood when he was brought to Madain. The malady had taken a serious turn. The people had left him. Hadhrat Muawiyyah came to Iraq and took over the rein of Khilafat. When Hadhrat Hassan realized that he didn’t have the strength to fight and his friends had deserted him and wee absolutely unwilling to collide with him, he patched up with Hadhrat Muawiyyah. He ascended the pulpit, praise d the Lord and then addressed the people: you were rewarded with God’s blessing on account of our ancestors but you shed one another’s blood on account of our descendants. Therefore I have patched up with Hadhrat Muawiyyah and handed over the Khilafat to him and I can’t say whether it is a test of you faith or a source of benefit for a limited period.

    Hadhrat Hassan went even a step further. He not only handed over the Khilafat to Hadhrat Muawiyyah, but also pledged fealty at his hand alongwith his brothers and commanders of the army as Kashi has reported from Jafar bin Baqir:

    "Muawiyyah wrote to Hadhrat Hassan: you, Hadhrat Hussain and the companions of Ali should come to see me. Thus when they came to Syria, Qays bin Saad bin Ubadah Ansari was also with them. Hadgrat Muqwiyyah gave them permission to enter. He had already churned up an address for the occasion. Muawiyyah said to handed over the Khilafat to him and I can’t say whether it is a test of your faith or a source of benefit for a limited period"

    Hadhrat Hassan went even a step further. He not only handed over the Khilafat to Hdhrat Muawiyyah, but also pledged fealty at his hand alongwith his brothers and commanders of the army as Kashi has reported from Jafar bin Baqir:

    "Muawiyyah wrote to Hadhrat Hassan: you, Hadhrat Hussain and the companions of Ali should come to see me. Thus when they came to syria, Qays bin Saad bin Ubadah Ansari was also with them. Hadhrat Muawiyyah gave them permission to enter. He had already churned up an address for the occasion. Muawiyyah said to Hassan: come and pledge to me. Hadhrat Hassan pleedged at his hand. Then he asked Hadhrat Hussain: get up and pledge to him. He also stood up and pledged at his hand. Then he addressed Qays: come and pledge to him. He looked towards Hadhrat Hussain for Orders. He said: pledge at his hand because he (Hadhrat Hassan) is my lmam".

    The “Jewish Encyclopedia” says:

    ABDALLAH IBN SABA By : Hartwig Hirschfeld

    Jew of Yemen, Arabia, of the seventh century, who settled in Medina and embraced Islam. Having adversely criticized Calif Othman's [May Allah be pleased with him] administration, he was banished from the town. Thence he went to Egypt, where he founded an antiothmanian sect, to promote the interests of Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] . On account of his learning he obtained great influence there, and formulated the doctrine that, just as every prophet had an assistant who afterward succeeded him, Mohammed's [PBUH] vizier was Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] , who had therefore been kept out of the califate by deceit. Othman [May Allah be pleased with him] had no legal claim whatever to the califate; and the general dissatisfaction with his government greatly contributed to the spread of Abdallah's teachings. Tradition relates that when Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] had assumed power, Abdallah ascribed divine honors to him by addressing him with the words, "Thou art Thou!" Thereupon Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] banished him to Madain. After Ali's [May Allah be pleased with him] assassination Abdallah is said to have taught that Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] was not dead but alive, and had never been killed; that a part of the Deity was hidden in him; and that after a certain time he would return to fill the earth with justice. Till then the divine character of Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] was to remain hidden in the imams, who temporarily filled his place. It is easy to see that the whole idea rests on that of the Messiah in combination with the legend of Elijah the prophet. The attribution of divine honors to Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] was probably but a later development, and was fostered by the circumstance that in the Koran Allah is often styled "Al-Ali" [The Most High]. Bibliography: Shatrastani al-Milal, pp. 132 et seq. (in Haarbrücken’s translation, i. 200-201); Weil, Gesch. der Chalifen, i. 173-174, 209, 259.H. Hir.

    Historian Professor Nicholson writes:

    "Now the Shi'ite theory of Divine Right certainly harmonised with Persian ideas, ...Abdullah ibn Saba...went from place to place, seeking to lead Moslems into error..." [The History of the Arabs, page 215]

    Dr. J. N. Hollister writes:

    "[Abdullah ibn Saba] He was the native of San's in Yemen...He opened a campaign of behalf of Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] suggesting that Abu Bakar[May Allah be pleased with him], Umer [May Allah be pleased with him], and Usman [May Allah be pleased with him] were usurpers..." [Shias of Hind page 15]

    Dweight M. Donaldon writes:

    "Abdullah ibn Saba had travelled widely throughout the Empire, as Tabari says, "seeking to lead the Moslems into error...Another of his teachings that was more immediately, influential was that every Prophet has a wasi and that Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] was the wasi of Muhammed [PBUH]

    [The Sheit Religion of Islam, part 6 page 41]

    Professor P.K Hitti writes:

    "The enigmatic Abdullah ibn Saba who was convertered into Islam...embarrased Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] with his excessive venertion..."

    [History of the Arabs, page 248. London]


    As per Shia Scholars:

    "QUOTE"

    1- Allamah Majlisi said: "Some scholars have asserted that ibn Saba was a Jew who accepted Islam and started voicing his opinion of the `wilayat' (divine appointment) of `Ali. [May Allah be pleased with him] While a Jew, he propounded the exaggerative notion that Yusha ibn Nun was divinely appointed to succeed Prophet Musa, he thus adopted a similar stance with regard to `Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] in relation to the Holy Prophet. He was the first to subscribe to the belief of Imamate, and he openly vitriolated his enemies (i.e. the first three Caliphs) and branded them as infidels. The origin of Shi'ism is thus based on Judaism."

    Reference: Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 25, p. 287. Other Shi`ah scholars who have affirmed this was `Allamah Kashi in his Rijal al-Kashi and `Allamah Mamaqani in his Tanqih al-Maqal.

    2- "we resemble and are just like the fellow followers of moses"

    References: Kulainis Kafi Al Hujjat/52 without a doubt this is doing of Jew Abdullah Ibn Sabah aka Ibn-e-Sauda.

    3- "at the reappearance of the 12 th imam he will rule the world by the wisdom of the descendants of Prophet David [PBUH]"

    Reference: Al Hujjat/98 Kabbalah myths that now form the basis of zionism were introduced by Jew Abdullah Ibn Sabah aka Ibn-e-Sauda.

    4- "Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] said to his 12 sons allah wants me to revive the traditions of the Prophet Israel [PBUH]"

    Reference: Al hujjat/63 "12" of the twelvers - Ithna Asharia.

    A Jew named Abdullah Ibn Sabah aka Ibn-e-Sauda [Tareekh-e-Tabari]:

    5- He later called for the divinity of `Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]. Having said so, he proclaimed himself as `Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]'s Prophet. Even Shi`ah scholars have gawked at his audacity. He initially did not openly preach these beliefs, but he later abandoned his secret and started a vigorous campaign.

    Shia Reference: Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 25, p. 286.

    6- Shia scholar Nau Bakhti writes:

    "It is known as the Sabai sect because Abdullah bin Saba was its ring leader. "

    Reference: Khandaan-e-Nau-Bakhti, page 275.

    7- Abdullah Ibn-e-Saba was the first who declared the faith in Imamat and that Hazrat Ali [r.a] is the true God.

    Reference: Anwaar-ul-Na'umania, Vol 2, Pg 234 - Published in Iran

    Shia scholars have given an account of Ibn Saba, his views and beliefs and his party ; Syed Qummi [who died in 301 A.H.], Sheikh Taifah Tusi, Tastri in Qamus-ur-Rijal, Abbas Qummi in Tohfat-ul-Ahbab, Khu Ansari in Raudhat-ul-Jannat, Sabhani in Nasikh-ut-Tawarikh and the author of Raudhat-us-Safa, have all mentioned him and his party". Shia biographer Istra-badi says:

    "Abdullah bin Saba claimed that Hadhrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] is Allah and he is his Prophet. When the news reached the Amir-ul-Momineen, he sent for him and asked him about it. He owned it and insisted that he is really the one [who is the referee of his claim]. The Amir-ul-Momineen [May Allah be pleased with him] said : The devil has seduced you. Therefore you should repent at once. But he refused to repent and he put him behind the bars for three days. When he did not repent even after three days, he burned him alive". Abu Muhammad Hassan bin Musa has unraveled these secrets. He is the earliest Shia historian who has given an account of the Shia sects. He is one of the most famous Shia of the third century A.H. He writes:

    "Sabais are the companions of Abdullah bin Saba. Abdullah bin Saba made faces at Hadhrat Abu Bakr [May Allah be pleased with him] , Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] , Uthman [May Allah be pleased with him] and other Companions [May Allah be pleased with everone of them] the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and disaffiliated himself from them and he imputed his acts to the command of Hadhrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]. When Hadhrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] caught hold of him and asked him about it, he confessed to it. After his confession, he ordered him to be executed. On hearing the order, [quite a few people] made a humble submission to Hadhrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] : O Amir-ul-Momineen ! You have ordered the execution of a person who professes your friendship and the love of your Ahl-i-Bait. Hadhrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] complied with the submission and exiled him to Madain."

    Abdullah bin Saba figures in the most reliable book of Shias on Asma-ur-Rijal, entitled Rijal-e-Kashshi and it is related in it from Imam Jafar Sadiq [May Allah have mercy on his soul] that Ibne Saba believed in the divinity of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and , ultimately, he was burnt alive at his command.

    About Abdullah bin Saba, Rijal-e-Kashshi says:-

    "Many knowledgeable people have stated that Abdullah bin Saba was a Jew who had accepted Islam and showed great devotion for Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] as a Jew, he used to exaggerated the personality of Joshua, the son of Nun [PBUH], and the Wasi of Moses [PBUH]. After becoming a Muslim he began to exalt the personality of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] much beyond the due limit, and he was the first person to declare that it was obligatory to believe in the Imamate of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] , and completely dissociated himself form his enemies and he openly opposed them and denounced them as infidels". [Rijal-e-Kashshi, page 71].

    Sunni Sources:

    1- Allamah Shahristani has confirmed this too, saying that when `Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] heard the claim of his divinity directly from the mouth of ibn Saba, he exiled him to Mada'in (Al-Milal wa al-Nihal, vol. 2, p. 11).

    2- Hafiz ibn Hajar threw more light on the dialogue between `Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and ibn Saba on this occasion: "Abul Ijlas says that I heard `Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] telling `Abdullah ibn Saba: "By Allah, I have not hidden any secret from anyone which the Holy Prophet told me. I heard the Holy Prophet saying that there would appear thirty liars before the last day, and you are one of them." Once Suwaid ibn Ghafalah visited `Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] during his reign and told him that he had passed a few people amongst whom was ibn Saba speaking ill of Abu Bakr [May Allah be pleased with him] . They claimed that you also held the same opinion." `Ali retorted: "I have nothing to do with this black filthy creature. I seek refuge from Allah that I hold any opinion other than the best for Abu Bakr [May Allah be pleased with him] and `Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] ." He then exiled ibn Saba saying that he could not tolerate to live with him in one city. `Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] then ascended the pulpit, and after relating the story said: "I will lash anyone who prefers me over Abu Bakr [May Allah be pleased with him] and `Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] , the lashing of a slanderer."

    Reference: Lisan al-Mizan, vol. 3, p. 290.

    3- Ibn Asakar has cited a tradition of Hadhrat Jabir in his history:

    "When the oath of allegiance was taken at the hand of Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and he delivered his address, Abdullah bin Saba stood up and said: you are "Dabat-ul-Ardh"

    Reference: Tareekh Dimishq

    4- Hafiz ibn Hajr has related on the authority of Tarikh Abi Asakar:

    "He belonged to Yemen. He was a Jew, but he had donned the guise of Islam and roamed through the Muslim cities to lead the Muslims astray and dissuade them from the obedience of their Imams and to sow dissension among them. He also visited Damascus with this end in view".

    Reference: Tarekkh Dimishq,vol 7 page 430

    Abdullah bin Saba, who was popularly known as Ibn Sauda, was a Jew. He had left his country during the tenure of Hadhrat Uthman [May Allah be pleased with him] but he had not embraced Islam from the core of his heart. When he was honked out of Basra, he left for Kufa from where he made a bee - line for Syria. The Syrians also whipped him out of their country and he left for Egypt. He made Hadhrat Uthman [May Allah be pleased with him] the special butt of his critical remarks and secretly invited people to institute the Khilafat of the Ahl-i-Bait. He pressed upon people to launch the campaign and he spared no opportunity to criticize the rulers. Some of the people openly sided with him. They had come from different cities and therefore they kept up their links through correspondence. Khalid bin Maljim, Saudan bin Hamran and Kinana bin Basher supported the campaign launched by Abdullah bin Saba.

    References: Ibn Kathir in his Bidaya Wal Nihaya, Ibn Athir in Kamil Al Athir, and Ibn Khaldun in is Kitabal Abd Wa Dewan Al Mubtada Wal Khabar [History].

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Amir Moghul jee,

    This post quoted here from Mr. Tabrez Ali of jaunpur has been removed from the site due to its offensive language. As some readers have already noticed and commented on this post, I must point out, to answer questions in other readers' minds about the content of this post that, addressed to Mr. Amir Mughal, it was basically very abusive towards Muawiyah and lamented some Muslims idolising him.

    Editor

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    Dear Mr Tabrez,

    Let me first discuss the point you raise about my legitimacy [Yaani - born within or out of wedlock - Harami or Halali]. If am illegitimate [ Waladu Zana - Harami ya Nutfa-e-Namaloom] then dont worry those who are responsible for my being in the world will be taken to task by Allah on Judgement Day and if I am legitimate then this issue is resolved. By the way being a Bastard [illegitimate] is not a crime before Allah and any Bastard e.g x, y, z or me is free from that Crime but those who brought me in this world through Adultery [Zina] will be held responsible so that solves the problem.

    Back to Muawiyah:

    Ah, that FADAK! Ah, the abortion of Muhsin! Ah, that fire for the house! Ah, that Khilafat! Ah, the Khilafat bila fasl! Ah, that fabricated hadith of MUN KUNTU ...! Ah, HASBUNA KITABULLAH! Ah, Mu'aawiya (R.A.)! Ah, Hazrat Yazeed (Rahmatullah alaih)! Ah, Umro (R.A.)! Ah, Shimr! Ah, Ibn Ziyad! Ah, JAMAL! Ah, SAFFAIN! Ah, NEHRWAN! Ah, that KARBALA! (All of which never happened). Oh yes, that nothingness, MAHDI: Happy waiting! Your Imams befooled you. How many more centuries will you wait for nothingness? Do you know who is the most unfortunate child born on earth? The one born to Rawafidh or Shiite parents. He is destined to spend his life mourning, chest-beating, self-inflicting, burning in the hell of hating Sunnis or "Naasibis", incessantly chained in Taqayya, waiting for the wishful advent of Mahdi (who was never born), 'Azadari, worshiping Ta'zia graves, intellectual slavery of the so-called "Imams", reviling the exalted prophet's noble companions and his wives day and night, cursing "Naasibis" all the time..

    Ah! Who can reverse times and make Hazrat Ali (r.a.) "Khalifa bila or badoon fasl"?

    One advice: Hold the GHADEER night more often to bring on Imam Zamana through incest.

    "UNQUOTE"

    KARBALA: FACT OR FICTION by Brig. Shabbir Ahmed, M.D., a true mu'min, is not for everyone; certainly not for the Mullahs unless they want to see the Truth.

    http://ourbeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/admin2/2007/08/true-history.pdf

    Also,

    http://ourbeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/Dr.%20Shabbir/2007/09/criminals.pdf

    BACK TO Legitimacy and Illegitimacy and Shia Scholars on MUTA'H 'MARRIAGES [Temporary Marriages] in Shia Community:

    The following citations from the most authentic Shi'ahbooks, regarded as the basic sources of Shi'ah beliefs and practices, elaborate on the concept of mut'ah. They need to be analyzed in order to determine if mut'ah promotes chastity, as desired by Almighty Allah or if it, instead, leads to religious prostitution and debauchery.

    The Proceeded for Contracting Mut’ah

    When Hisham Salim asked how one should contract mut'ah, Imam Ja'far as-Sdiq answered that one should say, "I am marrying you for this period of time for this amount of money. When the prescribed period is over, there will be annulment, and there will be no 'iddah after this."

    No Divorce or Inheritance Involved in Mut'ah

    The narrator asked Imarn Baqir about the women of mut’ah. The imam said, “She is not among those four [women classified as wives] because she neither needs a divorce, nor is [a child born of her] entitled to any inheritance. She is like a hired woman!

    No Need for Witnesses or Open Declaration

    "There is no need for witnesses or any open declaration in mut’ah.”

    The Price of Mut’ah

    The narrator asked Imam Ja'ftr as-Sadiq, "What should be the minimum compensation for mm'ahl' The imam said,"Anything that the two parties agree upon.

    The Inexpensiveness of Mut’ah

    The narrator asked Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq what the minimum compensation for mut’ah could be, and he answered, "One fistful of wheat."

    The Least Costly Mut'ah

    Mut’ah is a marriage that may last for a very short time. It needs no witnesses, and it has no period of 'iddah. The minimum compensation that could be paid to the woman for sexual relations is one dirham (i.e., less than 25 cents).

    The Convenience of Mut'ah

    Aban bin Tughlaq related that he said to Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq, “Often during my travels I come across a very beautiful woman and am not sure if she has a husband or if she is an adulteress or if she is one of dubious character," The imam responded, "Why should you worry about all of these things? Your duty is to believe what she engage in mut'ah with her.

    Mut'ah is Allowed with Women of Dubious Character

    The narrator asked Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq, "In al-Kufah there is a woman known for her dubious character. Can I engage in mut'ah with her?" The imam said, "Yes, you may engage in mut'ah with her.

    Mut'ah with Numerous Women

    Zararah said, "I asked the imam [i.e., Ja'far as-SSdiq] with how many different girls one can contract mut’ah. He answered, ‘with as many as one likes. These women are like hired girls.

    Numerous Sexual Gratifications in Mut'ah

    One my have sexual relations with the woman contracted for mut'ah any number of times he desires.

    An Open License with All Women

    Mut'ah is allowed with all types of women. She may be a virgin, married, widowed or may belong to any sect, group or religion. She may be a Christian, Jew or Muslim.34 However, mut'ah with a Majusi (Magian) woman is permissible only when one is helpless.

    Mut'ah with One Thousand Women

    If one desires, he may have mut'ah with one thousand women since these are like hired women.

    Mut'ah with a Young Girl

    Jameel bin ad-Dari said that he asked Imam Ja'fiar as-Sadiq if mut'ah was permissible with a virgin girl. The imam said, "There is no harm in it if the girl is not too young. However, all of the collectors of hadith agree that a nine-year-old girl is not considered too young.

    The Commission of Mut’ah

    'Ali asked the Prophet (PBUH), What is the reward of the person who participates in the virtuous deed of arranging the mutual meetings of a man and woman?" The Prophet (PBUH) said, "He will receive the same reward as the two who engage in mut’ah.”

    Blessings of Mut’ah

    The Prophet (PBUH) said,39 "The man who contracts mut'ah once will be saved from the Hellfire. One who contracts it twice will be in the company of vitreous men [in Paradise]. And the one who contracts it three times will be my companion in firdaws [the highest level of Paradise]."

    Mut’ah - A Blessing from Allah

    No one can close the door of blessings which Allah opens for His servants, Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq said, “Mut' ah is one of the blessings of Allah.

    Mut'ah - A Security for Paradise

    If a man contracts mut'ah once in his lifetime, Allah will grant him Paradise.

    Mut'ah - A Savior from Shirk

    One who contracts mut'ah is saved from shirk (the greatest sin of ascribing partners to Allah).

    Mut'ah - A Pardon from All Sins

    The father of Saleem bin 'Aqabah said that he asked Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq if there was reward in agreeing to mut’ah. The imam said, "Yes, if it is practiced for seeking the pleasure of Allah and to oppose those who deny the sanctity of mut'ah.

    Thus, when a person engages in mut’ah, all of his private talking to the woman is recorded as virtues. When he extends his arms towards the woman, this is also written as virtue. When he engages in the sexual act with the woman, Allah forgives all of his sins. When the two take a bath, Allah showers His blessings upon them and forgives their sins equal to the amount of hair [on their bodies]." The narrator inquired in surprise, "Equal to the amount of hair on their bodies?" The imam replied, "Yes, for every one single hair [wet by the water]. But their reward is reduced by the amount of hair that may not be wet.

    Mut'ah - A Pardon of Sins for Practicing Women

    It is narrated by Imam Baqir that the Prophet (PBUH) said, "When I was being taken to Heaven during the Mi'raj (ascension), Jibreel met me and told me, '0 Muhammad, Allah has promised to forgive all of the sins of those women who practice mut’ah.

    Denying Belief in Mut'ah

    One who does not believe that we (i.e., the Shi'ah imams) will reappear and role (the world in the future) and one who does not believe in the sanctity of mut'ah is not from among us.

    Punishment for Not Performing Mut'ah

    The Prophet (PBUH) said, 'The men and women who die without performing mw'ah even once in their lives will appear on the Day of Judgment with their ears and nose cut and [their faces] deformed.

    Mut’ah - A Safeguard Against the Hellfire

    Imam Ja'ftr as-Sadiq narrated from the Prophet (PBUH) that one third of the body is saved from the Hellfire if one contracts mut’ah once. Two thirds of the body is saved if one contracts mut’ah twice, and the whole body is saved from Hell if one contracts mut’ah three times.

    Mut'ah - A Deed of Allah's Virtuous Servants

    It is narrated that once the Prophet (PBUH) was sitting among his companions and the discussion came to the topic of mut'ah. The Prophet (PBUH) said, "Do you know what is the reward of mut'ah?” The companions answered, "No," The Prophet (PBUH) then said, "Jibreel just came to me and said, '0 Muhammad, Allah sends His blessings to you and commands you to instruct your ummah to engage in the practice of mut'ah since this is the practice of [Allah's] virtuous servants.

    Mut'ah - A Ladder to the Stages of Piety

    One who engages in mut'ah once gets the status of Imam al-Husayn. One who engages in it twice becomes equal in status to Imam al-Hasan. The one who performs it three times reaches the position of Imam 'Ali. And he who practices it four times acquires the level and position [equal to that] of the Prophet(PBUH).

    Great Reward for Women Who Donate Their Compensation

    For the woman who donates back her compensation to the person who contracts mut'ah with her and for the woman who foregoes her dowry, Allah will reward her with 40,000 cities of light and 70,000 dresses of velvet and tfi3/(silk brocade)...And Allah will reward her with 70,000 more dresses from Heaven for each quarter of a dirham she donates back... And for each quarter of a diiham Allah will also assign 1,000 angels who will continue writing virtues in her account until the Day of Judgment.

    I'arat al-Furuj (Loaning of Vaginas)

    The Shi'ah books of fiqh carry a separate chapter entitled "I’arat al-Furuj" This could literally be translated as "The Loaning of Vaginas." Under this heading the Shi'ah imams have discussed the various conditions under which a woman can be temporarily given to another person. The books give details as to how a woman can be loaned only for the pleasure of seeing her naked body or for the pleasure of enjoying her lasses or for the pleasure of having sexual intercourse with her. Most of these descriptions are very explicit and are not even worthy of being reproduced here.

    The following are a few of their milder quotations:

    A man asked Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq if it was permissible to temporarily loan a woman to another person. The imam said, "It is not permissible." Then he hesitated for a moment and added, "There is no harm if one offers his slave girl to one of his brothers.

    Imam Abu 'Abdullah [Ja'far as-Sadiq] said, "If a person allows another person to kiss his slave girl, then such a kiss is permissible, and the man should be contented with the kisses alone; but if he offers him her vagina, then everything is permitted.

    A narrator stated, 'I said to Imam Abu 'Abdullah [Ja'far as-Sadiq], 'a few of our friends have narrated from you that if a person offers his slave girl to another person, she is permissible to him.' The imam responded, this is correct... ' I asked, 'a certain person has a fine, beautiful slave girl who is a virgin. He keeps her only for himself but says to one of his brothers to enjoy the girl except her vagina. Would sexual intercourse be lawful with her?' The imam said. No, enjoy what is permitted to yon by your brother.' I further asked. What if that man gets carried away by his desire and engages in sexual intercourse?' The imam said, this would be very improper.' I then asked, Would that man be called a fumigator?' The Imam said. The man would not be called a fomicator. Rather, he would be called dishonest. If the girl was a virgin, he should pay to the master one tenth of her price; otherwise, the fine will be one twentieth of the price of the slave girl.

    It must be pointed out that these sayings of the Shi'ah imams and their interpretation of the Holy Qur'an should not be taken as their personal views. The Shi'ahs claim that it was Allah and His Prophet (PBUH) who made mut’ah a blessing for the Muslim ummah. The following citations by Imam Abu 'Abdullah Ja'far s-Sadiq further explain this Shi'ah point of view:

    The Qar'an was revealed to declare the sanctity of mut’ah. The Prophet(PBUH) also practiced mut'ah. 

    Allah has prohibited'all intoxicating drinks for the Shi'ahs, but instead He has granted them mut'ah. 

    The Qur'an was revealed to justify mut’ah, and people practiced it in accordance with the sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH)

    Two basic points should be made concerning the aforementioned quotations. The sayings of the Shi’ah imams in Shi'ah doctrines are classified as 'hadith’ Technically; Shi'ahs make no distinction between the sayings of the Prophet (PBUH) and those of their imams. The quotations given in earlier pages thus occupy the status of 'hadith" in their eyes and serve as the foundation of the Shi'ah faith and practice. Furthermore, all of the citations in the preceding pages are from the most authentic and original Shi'ah sources. Tafseer al-Qummi and Tafseer Minhaj as-Sadiqeen are two of the earliest and most reliable Shi'ah commentaries on the Qur'an.

    Additionally, Usul al-Kafi and Furu' al-Kafi the most fundamental and original sources of Shi'ah hadith. The earlier editions of both "Kafis" had an inscription on the title page, reading: According to Imam al-Mahdi, this book is kafi [sufficient] for our Shi'ahs." The other two books quoted from are Tahdheeb al-Ahkam and Man La Yahduruhul-Faqeeh. These are classified among the four, basic source books of Shi'ah beliefs called al-Kutub al-arba'ah and are regarded as the most reliable sources of Shi'ah fiqh.Usul al-Kafi and Furu'al-Kafi are the other two books from these four.

    All citations given in the preceding pages thus come from the most respected Shi'ah sources of hiadth and fiqh. Consequently, the belief in the sanctity, blessings and merits of mut’ah constitutes an integral part of the Shi'ah faith. Thus, it is not possible for someone to consider himself a Shi'ah and not believe in the sanctity and merits mut'ah.

    Now it is left to the reader's judgment to decide if the practices of mut’ah are in harmony with the tenets of the Qur'an and the Prophet's teachings. Would such a practice establish a society based upon piety, righteousness and chastity, or rather, would it open the doors for lust, lewdness and debauchery? It is clear from the aforementioned presentation that this type of society would necessarily be opposed to a society based upon the Sunni interpretation of the Qur'an and hadith, in which mut’ah is totally forbidden and regarded as fornication, adultery and prostitution.

    Unfortunately, very few people realize the significant differences between Sunni and Shi'ah beliefs. Most Shi'ah writings and preaching revolve around the emotional issues of love for the Prophet's family members, the virtues of 'Ali, the martyrdom of al-Husayn, etc. A number of people are attracted to Shi'ism because of the sensitivity and emotional nature of these issues. They do not realize that Shi'ahs have grossly misrepresented the Qur'an, as well as distorted and forged hadiths. The concocted belief in the sanctity and virtues of mut'ah is a classic example of such distortion.

    Islamic history has shown that wherever Shi'ahs have gained political power, the sanctity of mut'afi was enforced even at the cost of human life. During the reign of Akbar (the great Mongol emperor in India), the chief justice, Qadhi Ya'qub Manikpuri, was sentenced to death for his verdict that mut’ah was not permissible in Islam.

    Many people coming from the Indo-Pakistan subcontinent would testily to the fact that a number of Sunni heads of state in undivided India embraced Shi'ism only to justify their lust for free sex, while claiming to practice mut'ah. The brutal fact is that when prostitution was legalized by the British in undivided India, a great many prostitutes were initially from the Shi'ahs, perhaps practicing it as a virtuous deed.

    It seems appropriate to conclude this discussion with the following questions; If an Islamic state is established based upon Shi'ah doctrines or if the Shi'ahs are allowed to practice their religious beliefs, who would organize the "religious duty" of supplying young girls with which one could engage in the practice of mut'ah? Would the state or the Shi'ah community issue religious licenses to a few virtuous women to take up the profession of mut'ah on a full-time basis or would devout Shi'ahs allow their wives, mothers, sisters and daughters to participate in the virtues of mut'ah in their free time? Moreover, how would these girls be religiously different from the prostitutes sitting in a brothel? Indeed, not one of the Shi'ah books of hadith or fiqh has yet answered these questions.

    As previously mentioned, none of the references cited in the previous pages come from the earliest and original Shi'ah sources. Therefore, one could perhaps say that these sources are obsolete and that the contemporary Shi'ah scholars and literature do not propagate such beliefs about mut'ah. In order to dispel such misconceptions, presented below are two citations from the work of Mullah Baqir Majlisi, whom Ayatullah Khomeini considered to be an authority on Shi'ah beliefs.

    It should be recalled that Majlisi (d. 1111 A.H.) is one of the most respected Shi'ah scholars. He wrote approximately sixty very comprehensive and voluminous books. In several of his writings Khomeini has referred to Majlisi's works. As a matter of fact, Khomeini recommended in his Kashfal-Asrar that Shi'ahs read Majli’s books. One of Majli’s books deals exclusively with the virtues of mut'ah. It has been translated into Urdu by a contemporary Shi'ah scholar named Syed Mohammad Jafar Qudsi and is entitled Ijala Hasna. The following quotations are from these recent sources:

    The Prophet (PBUH) said, 'One who performs mot'ah with believing woman is like the one who visits the House of God [i.e.,theKa'bah] seventy times

    "[For the] one who excels in this virtuous deed [of mut'ah], Allah will raise his levels [of faith and piety]... [On the Day of Judgement] he will pass on the bridge over Hell with the speed of light...   Seventy rows of angels will accompany him... and he will enter Paradise without giving the account [of his life]. 0'Ali, one who helps fellow Muslim brother [to contract mut'ah] will also receive these blessings and rewards.

    To conclude this discussion, aquotation from Ayatullah Khomeini is presented:

    It is permissible to engage in mut’ah with a fornicator woman but with a disliking in [one's] heart, especially if she is a well-known and professional fornicator. When a person contracts mut'ah with her, he should advise her to quit the profession of fornication.

    In other words, a man should first have his sexual gratification with a prostitute and then should advise her to quit her profession. Could this be Islam? Isn’t it obvious which belief Sunni or Shi'ah, represents the authentic religion of Islam? Should one enjoy the "virtues" of mut'ah or accept Islam, which is free from such corrupt practices?

    For the benefit of a casual reader, who may have been grossly mislead by the references given in earlier sections, it must be reiterated that never did the Prophet (PBUH), 'Ali, or Ja'far as-Sadiq declare the "sanctity and blessings" of mut'ah. The fact is that none of the authentic books of hadith document any of these statements; instead, in order to justify mut'ah, Shi'ahs have wrongfully attributed these statements to such noble people and have subsequently hurt the reputations of these magnanimous personalities of Islam.

    The art of writing bibliographies in Eastern literature is vastly different from that in Western literature. Most Eastern bibliographies quote only the book's name, followed by the author. Citations of publishers and the publication year are not generally found. This is because, in the past, most books were published by the authors, and each book had only one publication. As such, it is very difficult to write the bibliographies of Shi'ah sources. Shi'ah publishers consistently alter the sequence and contents of their original books. Two recent publications of the same book often have two different sets of information. Strangely enough, when a Shi'ah publisher reprints a book, he often changes its contents. Thus, two editions of the same book by the same publisher may also have two different sets of information. Consequently, a researcher may find difficulty in locating the cited pages of Shi'ah books. All of the references given in the preceding pages, however, are authentic and come from reliable Shi'ah and Sunni sources. In order to help the reader to appreciate the reliability and authenticity of the references utilized in this discussion, the bibliography presented here has been annotated, and Shi'ah and Sunni sources have been duly classified.

    Reference:

    Babawayh, Shaykh as-Sadiq bin Ja’far Muhammad bin 'Ali (d. 381AH.), Man Li Yahduruhul-Faqeeh, Najaf, Iraq: Matba'ah an-Najaf, 1376 A.H. A source book considered being one of the four original collections of Shi’ah Hadith.

    Gibbs, H. A. R. and Kramer, J. H Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam, Leiden: J. R. Brill, 1961.

    Ikram,   Shaykh   Muhammad, Roodh-e-Kausar, Lahore: Pakistan, Ferooz Sons, 1958. A classical Urdu work used as a university textbook.

    Kashani, Fathullah (d. 988 A.H.), TafseerMinhaj as-Sadiqeen,Tehran, Iran: Dar al-Kutub al-lslamiyyah, 1396 A.H. One of the most famous and respected Shi'ah Qmr'amc conmimlaries.

    Khomeini, Ayatullah, Tahreer al-Waseelah, Najaf, Iraq: Matba'ah al-Adab, 1390 A.H. A most voluminous work on Shi'ah fiqh by the recent Shi’ah imam and leader of the Iranian revolution. It consists of two volumes, consisting of 656 and 650 pages, respectively.

    Kulayni, Muhammad bin Ya'qub Abu Ja'far (d. 329 A.H.), Furu'al-Kafl, Tehran, Iran: Dar al-Kutub al-lslamiyyah, 1374 A.H. The most famous and original collection of Shi'ah hadith dealing with the furu (details) of Shi'ah beliefs and practices. It contains 16.199 original collections.

    Kulayni, Muhammad bin Ya'qub Abu Ja'far (d. 329 A.H.), Usul al-Kafi, Tehran, Iran: Dar al-Kutub al-lslamiyyah, 1374 A.H. The most famous and respected collection of Shi'ah hadith. The earlier editions carried an inscription on the title page that read:

    "According to Imam al-Mahdi this book is kafi [sufficient] for our Shi'ahs."

    Important Note: Usool al- Kafi that is a collection narrations and traditions attributed to the Shiite Imams, Ahlul Bayt and the Prophet. Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars said and declared . Its author is Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKulayni (A VERY reliable Shia Scholar, died in 328 H). Shi'ites scholars believe usool Al-Kafi was presented to the legendary Imam Qaem who liked it and said: "It suffices our Shi'ites" (al-Tharee'ah ela Tasaneef al-Shi'a: Agha Buzurg al-Tahraani; vol.17, p.245)

    Muslehuddin, M., Mut’ah, Lahore, Pakistan: Islamic Publication Ltd., 1974, A contemporary book that discusses the illegality of mut’ah according to the Qur’an and the sunnah.

    Muslim, lbn al-Hajjaj (d. 261 A.H.)Saheeh Muslim, Delhi, India: Alsah Almatabi, 1349 A.H. A source book of Sunni hadith containing 12,000 original collections. It is regarded to be the most reliable work after al-Bukhari.

    Qudsi, Syed M. Jafar, Ijala Hasna, Lahore, Pakistan: Imamia General Book Agency, n.d. An Urdu translation of Mullah Biqir Majlisi’s book on mut’ah. Several different editions of the book have been published in India and Pakistan.

    Qummi, 'Ali bin lbraheem (d. 381 A.H.), Tafseer al-Qummi,Najaf, Iraq: Matba-ah an-Najaf, 1386 A.H. Regarded to be the oldest and most respected Shi'ah Qur'anic commentary.

    Tusi, Shaykh Abu Ja'far (d. 460 A.H.), Tahtheeb al-Ahkam,Tehran, Iran: Dar al-kutub al-lslamiyyah, n.d. A source book of Shi'ah Hadith. It is considered to be one of the four original collections of Shi'ah 

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Mr Sultan Shaheen,

     

    I am amazed to read a post from one Tabrez Ali from Jaunpur and the content mentioned in.  It is bizarre and looks like a conspiracy.  How is has been hosted on your site has shocked me.  Debates are welcome but it should be in the domain of decency and decorum. Such use of filthy language will only take away readers and participants from the site

     

    Difference of opinion are welcome and only then you can narrow down the gap.  I strongly criticise this post and strong rejoinder should come from you on this score.  I have never been an admirer of Muwaiya or Yazeed but would never use such languages. No, this is not acceptable.  May be this Tabrez Ali is an impostor and wants to create more difference among the Muslim ummah

    By MERAJ ZIYA -



  •  

    Amir Moghul jee

     

    This post is being removed from the site due to its offensive language. As some readers have already noticed and commented on it, I must point out, to answer questions in other readers' minds about its content that, addressed to Mr. Amir Mughal, it was basically very abusive towards Muawiyah and lamented some Muslims idolising him.

     

    Editor

     

     

     

    By TABREZ ALI FROM JAUNPUR -



  • I'm sure Islam which Ali's ideology envisiged was very very different than what khulfa-e-rashidoon implemented and since then there has been a continuous steep decline in the quality of Islamic ideology... Please for God sake Read Ali bin Abi Talib ..follow Ahle Bayet for they are chosen by God.. [Traveller]

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    Dear Traveller,

    Please solve this riddle as to why Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and his Ahl Al Bayt gave their daughters for marriage in Banu Ummayya and in Aal-e-Marwan and that too after the Tragedy of Karbala:

    how would you define Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and his Ahl Al Bayt's Marriages within the Clan of Ummayads and Marwan and that after Karbala and Siffin. You quote History to condemn all and sundry and I quote History to praise all of them, if the History's text is good for condemning the Companions of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] then why the same History is not good which narrates the facts mentioned below!

    If Muawiya was so bad then why Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar - May Allah be pleased with him [Cousin of Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali, Bibi Zainab's Husband and Yazeed's Father in Law, Abdullah bin Jafer's daughter Umme  Mohammad was Yazeed's wife] had named his son on Hazrat Muawiya i.e. Muwaiyah Bin Abdullah Bin Jafer Tayyar. A son of Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib [May Allah be pleased with him] was named Yazeed. Abdullah Bin Jafer's grandson's name was Yazeed. [Shia References - Tanqeeh Al Maqal, Muntahi Al Maqal - these Shia books carry names of those narrators who were named Muwiyah [41 persons], and Yazeed [124 persons]. If Muwaiyah was such a bad name then why Ahl Al Bayt give their daughters in Banu Ummayya for  marriage.

    Shia and Sunni Sources on Hasnain's acceptance of Muawiyah's Khilafa:

    [Akhbar Al Tawal Al Denwary page 234, Tabari Page 62 Volume 6, Al Imama Wal Siyasa page 173, Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 4 published in Najaf]

    Hazrat Muawiya [May Allah be pleased with him]'s Excellent Treatment with Hasan and Hussain [May Allah be pleased with both of them]:

    Hussain used to go with Hasan to meet Muawiyah in Damascus and at one stance Muawiyah gifted 2 Million Dirham to both and at another ocassion he gifted Hazrat Hasan 4 Million Dirham [Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir Page 150 and Page 127 Volume 8] This narration is confirmed by Ibn Abi Al Hadid (Mutazilli Shia) in his translation of Nehjul Balagha page 823 Volume 2] and this further confirmed by Extremist Shias like Abu Mikhnaf in his book Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 7].

    Note: Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf is a book by Abu Mikhnaf specially written on Karbala Tragedy and from Tabari to present day Speakers of Shia Majlis, this book is quoted for narrating the Tragedy of Karbala.

    Aal-e-Ali's relationship with Bannu Ummayya and Aal Marwan [After the Tragedy of Karbala]

    Relationship of Hazrat Ali Ibn Talib [May Allah be pleased with him] with Banu Ummayya [Ummayyads] and that relationship through marriages after the Incidents of Siffin and Karbala.

    1 - Three daughters of Hazrat Ali Ibn Talib [May Allah be pleased with him] were married to Muawiyah bin Marwan, Abdulmalik Bin Marwan, and Amir Kuraiz Ummavi respectively. [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm and Al Bidaya > Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir]

    2 - Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]'s son Hazrat Hasan [May Allah be pleased with him]'s grand-daughters married in Banu Ummayya:

    3 - Syeda Nafeesa Bin Zaid Bin Hassan w/o Alwalid Bin Abdul Malik Bin Marwan [Shia Source Umdatul Talib Fi Ansab Aal Abi Talib published in India]

    4 - Zainab Bin Hassan Masanna w/o Alwalid Bin Abdul Malik Bin Marwan [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]

    5 - Umme Qasim Bin Hassan Masanna w/o Marwan bin Aban [Grandson of Hazrat Usman (May Allah be pleased with him)] and after he died she married to Ali Bin Hussain aka Zainul Abideen [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]

    6 - Hammada Bin Hassan Massanna w/o Ismail Bin Abdul Malik Bin Abdul Haris Bin Al Hakam [nephew of Marwan Bin Al Hakam (May Allah be pleased with him)] [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]

    7 - Khadija Bin Hussain Bin Hassan Bin Ali w/o Ismail Bin Abdul Malik Bin Abdul Haris Bin Al Hakam (that was before the marriage of Hammada with him) [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]

    8 - Most of the daughters [Non Fatimid] of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] married in Banu Jafar, Banu Aqeel, Banu Abbas and Banu  Marwan [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm]

    9 - Syeda Sakina d/o Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] after the death of Muasab Bin Zubair, married Marwan Bin Al Hakam's grandson Al Asbagh Bin Abdul Aziz Bin Marwan, his econd wife was Umme Yazeed d/o Yazid Bin Muawiyah [Jumharatul Ansab by Ibn Hazm, Al Muarif Ibn Qutaiba, Kitab Nasbul Quraish] 

    10 - Rabia bint Syeda Sakin Bint Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] w/o Abbas Bin Al Walid Bin Abdul Malik Bin Marwan  [Kitab Nasb Quraish]

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • An Invitation to All Muslims to ponder over the post reproduced below.

     

    /31/2009 9:02:29 PM ASEF

    A question for all good Muslims on this page-

    If a person who claims to be a Muslim, will he remain  a Muslim after he calls for abrogation or rendering certain verses in the Quran as not applicable anymore and refer to the SURAS as redundant and obsolete? (Nausbillah) Such a Muslim is only someone in disguise of a Muslim or he is simply plain ignorant of the very basic qualification and faith needed to be a Muslim. I am not hinting that any Mullah should come out with a fatwa that such a person ceases to be a Muslim and to proclaim him as Kafir, The question is whether he ever was a Muslim? When He Never understood the simple tenets of Islam and repeatedly gave this blasphemous call of abrogating certain verses from the holy Quran which he feels are useless (Nausbillah). Well such a person is none other than Sultan Shahin editor of this site Newageislam.com, it is my sincere call to all Muslims on this site to ignore every  other discussion on this page for the time being and confront this Man Sultan Shahin and ask him to recall his blasphemous and anti Islam article available on this site or he should except that he is not at all a Muslim,  as he has been claiming all this while, I personally feel that any Muslim who read his article and moves on without raising a voice against it, is somewhere unintentionally becoming a part of  Sultan Shahin’s Blasphemous call for abrogating or declaring obsolete certain verses of the holy Quran. Quran Majeed is the word of ALLAH SwT and Flawless in all aspects just as ALLAH SwT himself and any MUSLIM who finds faults with the word of ALLAH SwT can be anyone but not a MUSLIM.

    By Fakhre Alam Chennai -



  • Why are you supporting Rushdie if you flag this post on your blog [Faraz]

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    Dear Mr Faraz,

    Please tell where I have supported? How do you define support?

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • The Editor of this site is now a Traveller too???  going places eh!!

    It appears that the alegations of Mrs Syeda Kaneez that Sultan Shahin/Parvez/Shagufta/Shamshad Elahi Ansari and now Traveller are one and the same person and that person  is non other than Sulatan Shahin himself, is proving to be true after utilising lot of Wasails. It is a shame if someone stoops down to betraying people's trust merely to garner  support for his baseless blaspehmous arguements. Shame indeed.

    By Traveler Again!!! -



  • MUGHAL,

    I had thought of ending this debate with you because if I say A you reply Z.  There haas been never any coherence in your posts.  Long time back I had read late Deedat rebuttal on Rushdie.  It is more academic and polemic, it goes into  mundane issues and decipher what he writes without once going what it was intended. It was unsubstantial and frankly quite boring  Considerable portion was on the four letter word but he failed to take on the very esssence of the book. 

    Why are you supporting Rushdie if you flag this post on your blog

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • dear FARAZ sahab...net as i'm sure you know can be quite deceptive, therfore hasty conclusions are the last things one is advised to do...

    Many casualties are a result of poor calculations... take care please we don't fall in these traps..ho sakta hai sultan shahin tumhara dost bhi ho... ho sakta hai jaisa tumne kaha dushman hi ho.... let things unfold and then decide..why in hurry...

    By Traveller -



  • 1/31/2009 1:55:49 PM A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India

    Dear Sultan Shahin,

    There is a website called "islam-watch.org" whose Editor is MA Khan. But he is found publishing all anti-Muslim articles and he himself authored some holding Muslims responsible for riots before and after partition and that Muslims should have been kicked out of India soon after Pakistan was created. He is spewing venom and supporting divisive forces. I took him head on with reference to an article entitled, "'Islam-watch Has Been Harsh on Indian Muslims' : A Hindu Reader by MA Khan".

    Kindly see below the exchanges between me and Mr. Khan and the readers would understand easily his bend of mind. I request all the readers to go through this website and give him a fitting reply.

    Quote:

     

    A regular Hindu reader and an occasional contributor of our Website feels that Islam-watch has been too harsh on Indian Muslims in a comment made in an article. Following is the exchange:

     

    The letter:

    Dear Mr Khan,
    I have been following you site for a long time and I appreciate your effort to expose religious fundamentalism. I agree with most of your points, but I think you are becoming a bit careless, or being too busy, do not read articles before posting them. Below is an excerpt from a write-up by one of your authors:

    As a matter of fact, the Muslims of this divided India have no moral and ethical right to stay in this country. In 1940, these people said that they were a different nation and it was not possible for them to live peacefully with the hateful Hindu Kafirs. In 1947 they got their homeland Pakistan but these treacherous and mischievous people did not go to their cherished land but continued to stay in this country as resident non-Indians with their hidden agenda to make entire India into a dar-ul-Islam. Hindus of this country should have kicked them out as soon as Pakistan had been created.

    Don't you think things are going a bit too far here, your judgment over Indian Muslims (I suppose you are one of them) is rather harsh..?

    Yours faithfully

     

    MA Khan's reply:

    I concede that cannot read every posting thoroughly. I don't get that kind of time. Therefore, some of the comments passed through the editor may be step out of the mark of acceptability.

    Concerning the objectionable excerpt you quoted, I agree that, to civilized conscience, it would sound harsh on Indian Muslims. But on a logical ground, the comment stands. What is said in the article is all that Muslims wanted in the 1940s, didn't they?

    India's Muslims, for creating a separate homeland—a home of the pure (pak)—for themselves, unleashed harrowing barbarity, a Jihad in the 1940s. Millions died; hundreds of thousands of mostly Hindu and Sikh women were violated; millions of Hindus and Sikhs were force-converted to Islam. What was all this meant for?

    Muslims gleefully supported the separatist campaign, but when the partition truly happened, they found it impractical to move thousands of miles. They stayed back. Now they are causing all sorts of problem for India: from social and economic backwardness to violence and terrorism. As Islamic radical builds up globally, a starker reality, in all likelihood, will visit India in the decades to come.

    The fact is: it is Muslims who wanted a separate state, because they wouldn't want to live in a land dominated by the kafir Hindu majority—a dar al-harb; they were eager to undertake hijrat to a Muslim homeland. But when the Partition really took place in 1947 at the cost of immense life and property, more Hindus were made to undertake hijrat under the yoke of harrowing persecution and brutality in Pakistan. For those who remained defying the persecution, had to make the same journey too, albeit at a later time, under various kinds of compulsions, including mass eviction through violent tools. During the Partition, some 350,000 Hindu moved from today's Bangladesh (East Pakistan) to India, while only 70,000 Muslims made their much-craved hijrat to East Pakistan. In the post-Partition period, some 10–15 million Hindus were forced to leave today's Bangladesh. Moreover, tens of thousands of Muslims have also moved to India  since the Partition and the infiltration continues. In today's Pakistani part, Hindus have suffered worse persecution; their number has dwindled from a post-Partition 10% to about 1% today.

    Yes! To civilized conscience, the comment sounds harsh on Muslims, but that's what they eagerly wanted. But much harsher cruelty has been perpetrated upon Hindus, inflicted upon them in reality, which draws little attention. There appears very few conscientious people, when it comes to the persecution of Hindus. The nation of India is yet to suffer more for its mistake of 1947—that is, for not implementing what Muslims doggedly demanded and caused immense sufferings to achieve it. The future reality may turn out dreadful for India.

    Name: A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India
    Date: Friday January 30, 2009
    Time: 02:54:04 -0500

    Comment

    Mr. Khan, are you a Hindu or Muslim? Your lop sided view on the killing of Hindus speaks of your biased mind against Muslim and an attempt to please Hindus. Perhaps, you have not fully read the horrors of partition. Those killed in the melee not only Hindus but thousands of Muslims too. You are only projecting the Hindu loss of life and properties. The riots that followed the partition in Bengal and elsewhere saw thousands of Muslims killed or wounded and properties looted. How can you conveniently ignore these facts and project as if the Muslims were alone were responsible for the killings? This is not fair and impartial reporting Mr. Khan. You being an Editor of this web site, must be impartial. Do not try to play to the Hindu gallery. I will come back with more facts on the history of partition later on the same web page. In the meantime, please answer the query raised that you are too harsh on Muslims of India. I for one who believed and wrote a number of articles that the creation of Pakistan was a blunder of century and that Jinnah had ditched Muslims of India leaving them in lurch for the satisfaction of his own ego. Muslims were well represented before the partition in all legislatures of the country. Partition had infact, made them aliens in their own land over night and reduced them to the status of second class citizens. If today Muslims have withstood all the riots and discrimination, it is only due to their resilience nature and will to create their own niche in the body politics of the country. India is our country and nobody has a right asking us to leave for the mistake of our forefathers. I will come out with a bigger article on the issue later. In the meantime, I demand an explanation from Mr. Khan for his tirade against the Muslim community.

    MA Khan, Editor: Mr Basha, I didn't say only Hindus were killed or suffered. Muslim's instigated and, in most cases, initiated the barbarities, starting with the barbarism of Mopla rebellion in Malabar in 1921 for the creation of a Islamic caliphate and the subsequent violence surrounding their demand for creating Pakistan and to realize that demand.

    Please do not overload the site by uploading unnecessary materials.

    Name: A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India
    Date: Friday January 30, 2009
    Time: 19:41:38 -0500

    Comment

    Mr. Khan, you are still wrong. You have quoted only one incident of Mopalla rebellion. Do not you ever charge the Muslim community with instigating riots. You are trying to project them as villains. The Muslims were at the receiving end in all the riots that took place after the country was divided into India and Pakistan. You would be happy to publish those articles pleasing your eyes and ears, if they are muslim baiting one. If your site is a real impartial site inviting debate on such matters of importance, you should be bold enough to public all the view points, though at times unpalatable to you. If you cannot publish such articles, then do not call it Islamic Watch. What are you upto? India is a free country and we have every right to voice injustices and afront on our community. If you cannot tolerate this, better close the site. Jai Hind.

    Name: MA Khan ------->> Basha
    Date: Saturday January 31, 2009
    Time: 00:59:22 -0500

    Comment

    Mr. Basha, you are only half-correct in saying that Muslims were at the receiving end of the riots after the partition. The truth is during and after the partition, Muslims also started suffering alongside the Sikhs and Hindus. By that time, Hindus had already suffered horrible barbarism under no provocation for one whole year starting with the Direct Action riots (16 Aug 1946) in Calcutta. Late in July 1947, just prior to the partition, Muslim barbarism in West Punjab flared up once again for ethnically cleansing the "land of the pure" from the filthy kafirs. Under this new provocations, Sikhs in East Punjab (Amritsar), who had already suffered a harrowing bout of Muslim brutality and devastation, started hitting back. Thereafter, Hindus in Delhi, Rajasthan and other areas, where Muslims had strong presence--under attacks from Muslims--started hitting back. From the beginning to the end, Muslims were almost the sole instigators, not only by their Jihadi campaign for dividing India, but also by initiating almost all the violence.

    I am closing the thread. If you are still keen on a debate, we can have one in our site. But I first ask you to go through my upcoming book, in which I recount my research on the circumstances and causes of the violence surrounding the partition.

    Unquote:

    I wish you Mr. Sultan Shain, Syeda Kaneez and Amir Mughal and several others, take care of this gentleman Mr. MA Khan, Editor, www.islam-watch.org who is digging old graves and is out to undermine the unity of this country.  Muslims have just recovered from the blame and shock of terrorism and demonstrated their unadulterated love and affection to the country through an unprecedented unity during and after 26/11. At this juncture, where was the necessity to blame one community or the other for the wrongs happened some sixty years ago. This is not going to help anyone but would further sow the seed of hatred. Such an individual and his site deserve high condemnation from one and all. In the meantime I will join him in a debate to clear the doubts about the role of Muslims in India. Jai Hind.

    1/31/2009 1:52:14 PM Traveller

    Thanks Mr. Jamshed Basha for writing an honest and sensible post.. I'm sure there is little doubt that India is far better than most islamic states in most ways, that makes us think  why DAAWA needs to be extended to a group of people who are better than most of our peers in islamic state.. In my opinion true daawa is to be automatically manifested by our good conduct and positive behaviour towards things in our day to day life . Islam rests on the very foundation of MUAAMLAAT but sadly few people know about this aspect and most others continue to push islam like a bitter pill down the throats of people , at times at the points of AK47...

    I agree with the short note posted by Mrs. Kiran Majoomdar that these all idiosyncratic manifestations of Islam are because of Cracks in the very foundation of Islam..  I'm sure Islam which Ali's ideology envisiged was very very different than what khulfa-e-rashidoon implemented and since then there has been a continuous steep decline in the quality of Islamic ideology... The Numbers kept increasing but the quality kept deteriorating.. the end result is before all the world to see that ISLAM has become another name for TROUBLE and no sane person wants anything to o with this... if not antagonize they feel its better to steer clear of this sticky debate...

    POINT IS ARE WE READY TO REBUILD??...  if yes then start from the layer which developed cracks only then the issue can be solved.. offcourse we can not turn back wheel of time but at least let us be honest and agree in principle that ALI was the designated/ chosen one to shape the future of Islam... His son's were entrusted with the task of preserving this mostly at the cost of their lives..and they have unfailingly done that till this day.. that MAHDI ( the redeemer) will come from his family... this is the GOD'S WISH.. he chose Abraham and his progeny to carry his mission then why any honest person should object.. he is GOD... we are not supposed to object.. and not supposed to twist the events... This is high time when NO SUNNI - NO SHIA should exist and all merge into one strong body of Muslims to bring goodness to the mankind.. to fulfill the job of ASHRAFUL MAKHLOOKAT and this in my view is only possible after the muslims learn to realize and acknowledge their mistakes of past... let bygone be bygone ,we can not possibly change history but for our generation this will be enough that we realize which side the truth belongs to and subscribe to the teachings of that particular source... Is not it strange that we are not ready to buy adulterated milk or oil but how easily we allowed thieves to seve us our islam... The fault is not entirely of the people because a philosophy takes shape over centuries but unfortunately we mortals have an extremely limited time and before we understand anything we are already lying on our deathbeds the time allotted is truely too less to sort out things even inside ISLAM forget about dedicating time and energies to any other philosophy... ( All are inherently good, otherwise they would have simply perished by now as per the law of nature).. but Islam in itself is a complete DEEN so if one doesnot dare or find time to venture out and pursue truth then probably he can look in his own backyard and see that the present QILA of Islam is not standing on flawless foundations.. when foundations are not straight why cry about a disproportionate /ugly structure which islam has become to other nations......

    Please for God sake Read Ali bin Abi Talib ..follow Ahle Bayet for they are chosen by God.. donot enforce your personal will in way of God because such attempts are bound to be defeated and the person or agency doing this will be damned....

    Let qualified Consultants deal your case than letting each NEEM HAKEEM play with your lives/ faith and honour....

    By A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India -



  • ASIF RAZVI SB,

    I fully agree with you and henceforth will stop discussing issues with that Chagtai Khan Blog man Amir Mughal.   I do agree that editor of this site Sultan Shahin antecedents are doubtful as his views on Quran and his calling for abrogation of certain verses are as blasphemous as Rushdie book Satanic verses.  —Damage and destroy Islam.  [Faraz]

    Dear Mr Faraz Sahab,

    Do you even know the meaning of Blasphemy?

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law.html

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law_10.html

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 3

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law_771.html

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 4

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law_7697.html

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 5

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law_4971.html

    They first created terror in the name of Islam and now call for a change/ editing of the verses of Holy Quran.  See Mughal talks in the term of hate, Naik speaks the same language,  Deedat who died a couple of years ago was also the hate campaigners. They all belong to the same school of thought.  Mughal, By the way you support Rushdie it is clear from your posts just because Khomeioni issued a fatwa against him   Shame on you  [Faraz]

    Dear Faraz Sahab,

    But late Ahmed Deedat had given a very strong rebuttal to Salman Rushide and very peacefully:

    Can You Stomach The Best Of Rushdie?

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/can-you-stomach-best-of-rushdie.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • After Baqi and unleashing vast terror network, Wahabis now target Quran want abrogation of verses

    ASIF RAZVI SB,

    I fully agree with you and henceforth will stop discussing issues with that Chagtai Khan Blog man Amir Mughal.   I do agree that editor of this site Sultan Shahin antecedents are doubtful as his views on Quran and his calling for abrogation of certain verses are as blasphemous as Rushdie book Satanic verses.  In my earlier post mentioned below I had said that the verses of our Holy Quran was relevant yesterday, relevant today and relevant till eternity.  There is no doubt in the mind of the Muslims by and large on this score  barring the Wahabis, the Amir Mughals and the Shaheens.  I think they all are related to one another on a common cause—Damage and destroy Islam.

     I appreciate your gesture on the abrogation and stand on it and I see it as a larger conspiracy you may  call it as a trial balloon to hit the Muslims world after the wahabis unleashing of terrorism (LeT, Huji, Jaishe Muhammad, JuD, IRF are all terrorist organisation having direct link with Saudi and wahabi movement).  They first created terror in the name of Islam and now call for a change/ editing of the verses of Holy Quran.  See Mughal talks in the term of hate, Naik speaks the same language,  Deedat who died a couple of years ago was also the hate campaigners. They all belong to the same school of thought.

     I have always believed the Wahabi movement was anti Islam and it has been established with their vast terror network and funding from Saudi regime.  Shahin attack on Quran saying that these verses are being used by the terrorists and hence must be abrogated only qualifies my apprehensions. Mr Shahin also speaks in the term of Saudi as they demolish the mausoleum of the icons of Islam saying that was anti Islam.  Now they have trained their gun on Quran   The Muslim world must rise against such machinations of the Saudi inspired people who first demolished the history of Islam by bulldozing all history associated with our Holy Prophet like Jannatul Baqi and religious sites in Makkah and now they want to attack the basic foundation of our belief, Change Quran. 

    Rise Muslim ummah against such deadly plans

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  • Mughal,

    Can't you be brief.  I don't know why sex with animals is brought and why insipid topics are raised.  You should discussed by point.  I laugh at you because everytime I write  on Saudi you bring Khomeni or Iran.  Agreed you excel in google serach engine then you must have seen with your own eyes how your King Fahd was wearing a cross before Her majesty the great queen of Britain in whose presence he bowed his head in the you tube.  Dancing one you cannot find but I will send you video.  Fahd was a buzzard and the other qualities which was mentioned was duly found in him,  Do you sincerely believe that such a man could  become the custodian of the Holy mosque. Yes or No.  By the way you support Rushdie it is clear from your posts just because Khomeioni issued a fatwa against him   Shame on you

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  • "If we only talk about the war like verses in times of peace and tranquillity then it is our own folly, if we decide to wear a rain coat when the sun is shining bright in the sky, then it is our own folly not of the Rainy Season which is on its schedule, something is wrong with our own minds not with the Seasons which are being created by the Rabbul Rahmat, one and only Allah Swt. If you go to a wedding ceremony with the mood and intention of giving condolence, then something is wrong with your own head nothing is wrong with people who are happily moving around as they should, in a wedding ceremony. I hope You see the hint.."

    ~ Syeda Kaneez Aapa~

    Now tell me aapa....

    "NOW WHAT IS THE HINT? IS IT NOT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS WHAT SULTAN SHAHIN IS SAYING IN MORE EXPLICIT AND BOLD LANGUAGE? WHY CAN'T YOU TOO SAY THE SAME THINGS WITHOUT CIRCUMLOCUTION? WHY SHOULD WE BE SATISFIED WITH YOUR HINTS? WHAT AND WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF? THE SAME MAULANAS THAT YOU/ASEF THREATEN TO LET LOSE ON SULTAN SHAHIN?
     
     After all Sultan Shahin had asked Syeda Kaneez Fatima merely to clarify the same thing in these words:
     
    "... Anyway, please tell me if I have understood you correctly. It seems your point is that while these Quranic verses asking us to kill the kafirs wherever we find them are not applicable to us today but may become applicable some day in future, in another season, if such a situation as the one obtaining in Medina in the time of Prophet arose. If that is the case let us come out in the open and say so clearly, loudly and repeatedly that in the present time there is no reason for Osama bin Ladens and other Wahhabis to propagate the view that we Muslims have Quranic sanction for killing all non-Muslims as well as non-Wahhabi Muslims. Let us not mince words and let us not go about it in a round about way. 
     
    This is no time for prevarication or using circumlocutions. We are at war. Parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan have already come under the control of Saudi-ised Taliban. The radicalisation of moderate mainstream Muslim societies like Indonesia and Malaysia is afoot. Even in India, where a mystical Islam reigned until recently, Saudis have bought large number of Mullahs and they are spreading a very intolerant version of Islam. As I keep saying we have no time to lose. I would appreciate from you a clarification of your views in the matter. You don't have to be a Maulani to do that. This very institution of Maulanas is against the precepts of Islam and at the very least it is an innovation that we do not need to care much for. There is nothing between us and Allah except the Holy Quran and those Ahadees that we consider possibly valid and authentic." -- Sultan Shahin

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    aapa ne ab neele rang ko chhod ke makhsoos HARE ISLAMI RANG ME sultan shahin par attack kar diya hai, is baar asef naam ka cutout istemaal kiya jaa raha hai....

    jokes apart, I think Sultan shahin asked the ULEMA to clarify thr situational status of certain verses...   I think this much will do the job.  Why accuse him of trying to cut short Kalaame Ilahi

    and rember the only way to reach a consensus is through discussion, if ppl like syeda keep standing over our heads to chop off the head the moment one of us said anything blasphemous then i'm afraid this will be like hiding your face in the sand... you may stop sultan shahin from saying this because you can possibly blakmail him for being the muslim but sooner or later non-muslims are going to bring this up... before others assault you why not introspect?.. 

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  • “aapa ne ab neele rang ko chhod ke makhsoos HARE ISLAMI RANG ME sultan shahin par attack kar diya hai, is baar asef naam ka cutout istemaal kiya jaa raha hai”....(Pervez)

    Ps: the above post has been conveniently removed from the site, a privilege only available with the moderator of this site.

     

    PERVEZ
    Attack is too harsh a word and these days it is synonymous with the trigger happy Talibans ,  your mention with considerable amount of guesswork that somebody is trying to Attack Sultan Shahin clearly reflects your ignorance of the subject under discussion,   Sultan Shahin can be ‘Multan Shine’ or any other similar name with same syllable or consonant but this is not what is being discussed here, what is being brought about for discussion and protest is the Ignorance of Today’s Muslims so much so as to call for abrogating or rendering obsolete a Verse from the Holy Quran, without understanding the ABCD of the basic tenets of Islam,

    The purpose is not to insult such an ignorant and half baked Muslim but to make him realise his folly/blasphemy , so that he may repent in privacy if not here and come  back a saner Muslim.

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    mughal saheb REPEATING FOR YOUR LIND PERUSAL SUCH WAS THE MAN WHO DECLARED HIMSELF AS THE CUSTODIAN OF THE TWO HOLY MOSQUE. THIS IS WHAT WAHABISM SIGNIFY. READ WHAT HAS BEEN HIGHLIGHTED [Faraz]

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    Dear Faraz Sahab,

    You dont have to quote BBC UK www.bbc.co.uk/ and Israeli Newspaper Haartez www.haaretz.com/ on Saudi Arabia because you wont be very happy to know on what they say about Iran, Ayatullah Khomeini and specifically Salaman Rushdie. I was very clear on Saudi Politics in the following thread:

    You are wrong because my veiw on Saudi Arabian politics is as under: [Read my Comment]

    Saudi Arabia finally feels a slight prick of conscience over Gaza massacre, urges US to be even-handed

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1159

    Dear Faraz Sahab,

    Since you have started this Rat Race so let me quote an Iranian Doctor on Khomeini and Irani Society:

    Khomeini's Teachings on sex with infants and animals

    http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104&Itemid=58

    Islamic Teachings on sex with infants:

    "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

    The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in "Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom"

    Islamic Teachings on sex with animals:

    "The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."

    Editor's notes: I wonder if it is OK to sodomize a dead animal? What happens if the buyer brings the poor animal back into the city?

    "If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

    Editor's note: The poor animal first is sodomized and then killed and burned. What an Islamic justice towards animals? Where are the animal rights group?

    "It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden."

    "If a man (God protect him from it!) fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary."

    Editor's note: It does not say who should have ablution: the animal or the man?

    http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=107&Itemid=58

    http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=108&Itemid=58

    "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Koran, and all involved in its publication who were aware of its content, are sentenced to death."Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini FATWA issued February, 1989 against Salman Rushdie

    Quotes from just after the Islamic Revolution in 1979:

    "The mullahs are going to rule now. We are going to have ten thousand years of the Islamic republic. The Marxists are going to go on with their Lenin. We are going to go on in the way of Khomeini."
    Ayatollah Khalkhali

    "What he [Stalin] did in Russia we have to do in Iran. We, too, have to do a lot of killing. A lot." Behzad, Iranian interpreter for Western journalist V.S. Naipaul

    "There is no room for play in Islam... It is deadly serious about everything." Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
    Speech at Qum, reported in Timemagazine January 7, 1980

    "Khomeini has offered us the opportunity to regain our frail religion... faith in the power of words."
    Norman Mailer, at a meeting of authors ragarding the fatwa, New York City, February 1989

    Ayatollah revives the death fatwa on Salman Rushdie

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article414681.ece

    A FATWA against the author Salman Rushdie was reaffirmed by Iran’s spiritual leader last night in a message to Muslim pilgrims.  British officials anxiously played down comments after Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, told Muslims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Rushdie was an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam, according to the Iranian media.

    Iranian academic sentenced to death

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2415751.stm

     

    A liberal journalist and academic, Hashem Aghajari, has been sentenced to death for apostasy - the renunciation of his belief - according to Iranian reports. He was arrested in August after a speech in which he called for reform within the Islamic clerical establishment.

     

    27 Oct 02 | Middle East

     

    Eyewitness: Execution in Tehran

     

    19 Jul 02 | Middle East

     

    Iranian rapist faces death fall

     

    16 Aug 01 | Middle East

     

    Three men publicly hanged in Iran

     

    15 Aug 01 | Middle East

     

    Row over public floggings in Iran

     

    23 Jul 01 | Middle East

     

    Iranian minister condemns floggings

     

    12 Jul 01 | Middle East

     

    Iranian adulteress stoned to death

     

    11 Jun 01 | Middle East

     

    Poll boosts Khatami reform bid

     

    11 Mar 01 | Middle East

     

    Khatami: Iran must have democracy


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2365751.stm

     

    Iran: Harsh Sentences Condemned

     

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2001/01/16/iran-harsh-sentences-condemned

     

    Another accused participant in the Berlin conference, Hojatoleslam Hassan Youssefi Eshkevari, remains in prison awaiting sentencing by a Special Court for the Clergy on charges of apostasy, which may carry the death penalty. Two other writers, Changiz Pahlevan and Kazem Kardavani, have not returned to Iran from Germany, having been informed that charges have been prepared against them also.

     

    Iran considering death penalty for web-related crimes Agencies Published: July 02, 2008, 18:03

     

    http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Iran/10225472.html

     

    Tehran: A law that could see the death penalty imposed for cyber crimes is set to be debated in Iran's parliament, reports said on Wednesday. Under the draft bill, those found guilty of promoting corruption, prostitution and apostasy on the internet may face the death penalty. The bill aims to "toughen punishment for harming mental security in society," Iran’s ISNA news agency said.

     

    Iran: End Persecution of Nobel Laureate

     

    The Iranian government should end immediately its escalating persecution of Dr. Shirin Ebadi, the 2003 Nobel peace laureate and a leading human rights defender, Human Rights Watch and the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran said today. "We are extremely worried for Shirin Ebadi's safety and her ability to continue her important human rights work," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch.

     

    Documents Unlawfully Seized at Rights Activist Shirin Ebadi’s Office

     

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/12/30/iran-end-persecution-nobel-laureate

     

    Iran: Trial for Conference Attendees November 1, 2000

     

    In an open letter sent to Iran's chief judicial official, Human Rights Watch called for an end to the
    prosecution of prominent independent and reformist figures who attended an international conference last April. Human Rights Watch sent the open letter to the Head of Iran's judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi. At least twelve activists and writers now face charges of "engaging in propaganda against the national security of Iran." They are being tried in secret before the Revolutionary Court in Tehran, where procedures have in the past fallen far short of international standards for fair trial. "Iran should immediately halt the prosecution of these individuals and all charges against them should be dropped," said Hanny Megally, the Director of the Middle East and North Africa Division. "Those who have remained outside of Iran since the Berlin conference for fear of prosecution should be assured they will not be subject to reprisals upon their return."

     

    Iran: Enforced closure of human rights centre an ominous development

     

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE13/180/2008/en

     

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE13/180/2008/en

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • A question for all good Muslims on this page-

    If a person who claims to be a Muslim, will he remain  a Muslim after he calls for abrogation or rendering certain verses in the Quran as not applicable anymore and refer to the SURAS as redundant and obsolete? (Nausbillah) Such a Muslim is only someone in disguise of a Muslim or he is simply plain ignorant of the very basic qualification and faith needed to be a Muslim. I am not hinting that any Mullah should come out with a fatwa that such a person ceases to be a Muslim and to proclaim him as Kafir, The question is whether he ever was a Muslim? When He Never understood the simple tenets of Islam and repeatedly gave this blasphemous call of abrogating certain verses from the holy Quran which he feels are useless (Nausbillah). Well such a person is none other than Sultan Shahin editor of this site Newageislam.com, it is my sincere call to all Muslims on this site to ignore every  other discussion on this page for the time being and confront this Man Sultan Shahin and ask him to recall his blasphemous and anti Islam article available on this site or he should except that he is not at all a Muslim,  as he has been claiming all this while, I personally feel that any Muslim who read his article and moves on without raising a voice against it, is somewhere unintentionally becoming a part of  Sultan Shahin’s Blasphemous call for abrogating or declaring obsolete certain verses of the holy Quran. Quran Majeed is the word of ALLAH SwT and Flawless in all aspects just as ALLAH SwT himself and any MUSLIM who finds faults with the word of ALLAH SwT can be anyone but not a MUSLIM.

     

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  • mughal saheb

    REPEATING FOR YOUR LIND PERUSAL

    SUCH WAS THE MAN WHO DECLARED HIMSELF AS THE CUSTODIAN OF THE TWO HOLY MOSQUE. THIS IS WHAT WAHABISM SIGNIFY. READ WHAT HAS BEEN HIGHLIGHTED

     
       BBC Report Obituary: King Fahd
    King Fahd
    King Fahd's life
    King Fahd's rule saw Saudi Arabia ally itself closely with both the United Kingdom and the United States. Domestically, he had to contend both with the impact of falling oil revenues and an increasingly fragmented society.

    King Fahd, who ascended the Saudi throne in 1982, was one of seven sons of the founder of Saudi Arabia, King Abdel-Aziz, and his favourite wife, Hassa.

    He was the fourth of his siblings to be king. Two of his brothers lost power violently - one was deposed in a coup; the other was assassinated.

    Experienced politician

    He had a reputation as a playboy in his youth, with allegations of womanising, drinking and gambling to excess. Indeed, it is claimed that he once lost more than $6m in one night at the Monte Carlo casino.

    Riyadh Riyadh: The modern face of Saudi Arabia
    But he settled down in the 1950s to take ministerial positions in the Saudi administration.

    When he became king, he already had a great deal of political experience. He had been a reforming minister of education, playing a role in furthering the education of women in Saudi Arabia.

    The young Fahd was known as a technocrat and political wheeler-dealer. He knew about internal security and about how the kingdom needed to be defended from within.

    He also had a reputation as something of a diplomat, who understood the intricacies of foreign policy, especially the importance of the Saudi dynasty's relationship with the United States.

    Land of plenty

    Such political finesse was valuable when Fahd had to steer the kingdom through the leaner and more troubled period following the oil boom of the 1970s.

    Saudi Arabia is home to the world's greatest oil reserves and, during the 1970s, the petro-dollars flooded in.

    King Fahd Fahd tried to balance tradition and modernity
    There was a joke that new Cadillacs were dumped as soon as their ashtrays were full. King Fahd himself amassed a personal fortune estimated at $18bn.

    Such a boom could not be sustained. By the early 1980s, just when King Fahd came to power, annual oil income began to fall.

    Saudi Arabia, with its huge oil production and massive reserves, had always been a paternalistic state which prided itself on giving its citizens cradle-to-grave care.

    Fahd was forced to introduce some austerity measures to stem state spending. Other threats to his authority came from outside.

    Enemies at home and abroad

    The 1979 Revolution in Iran led to fears that Islamic upheaval could spread to Saudi Arabia. King Fahd spent vast amounts supporting Iraq in its war with Iran.

    He also tried to strengthen his own Islamic legitimacy. In 1986, he took the title Khadim al-Haramayn al-Sharifayn (Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques) to indicate his protection of the sacred Muslim sites in the cities of Mecca and Medina.

    Foreign troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War Foreign troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War
    But the greatest threat was still to come.

    In 1990, Iraq invaded neighbouring Kuwait. King Fahd made the sensitive decision to invite Western forces onto Saudi soil to protect the kingdom.

    He told his people, "These forces are participating in joint exercises with Saudi Arabia. Their presence will be temporary."

    After the war, though, US forces did not leave. A bomb explosion at their desert headquarters in 1996 killed 19 and appeared to signal the depth of popular resentment.

    Catalogue of crises

    But many Saudis, and Muslims further afield, believed that the stationing of non-Muslim soldiers in the birthplace of Islam went directly against an explicit ruling of the Prophet Muhammad.

    That impression intensified after the attacks on the United States on 11 September 2001. Fifteen of the hijackers were thought to have been Saudi nationals.

    And the Saudi-born Osama Bin Laden had often pledged to drive the "infidels" out of Saudi Arabia.

    Crown Prince Abdullah Crown Prince Abdullah has succeeded his half-brother
    At times, popular movements opposed to the royal family within the country have raised their colours, a dangerous activity in what remains a highly-repressive country.

    The huge cost of the Gulf War meant that the king had to take some even more stringent economic austerity measures.

    King Fahd found himself faced with a whole series of interlocking crises - economic, political and military - which the ailing leader seemed ill-equipped to keep under control.

    Experienced successor

    King Fahd's health had long been a problem. He was diabetic, for many years a heavy smoker and suffered a stroke in 1995.

    Officially, after a relatively short break at the time, he resumed many of his duties using a wheelchair and stick.

    His chosen successor, his half-brother Abdullah, is the head of the National Guard, the tribal army largely responsible for the kingdom's internal security.

    An austere and respected figure, Crown Prince Abdullah is untainted by corruption, while being regarded by many as less enthusiastically pro-American than King Fahd.

    And among watchers of the opaque world of Saudi statecraft, Crown Prince Abdullah is thought already to have been de facto ruler for much of the past five years.


     

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • A question for all good Muslims on this page-

    If a person who claims to be a Muslim, will he remain  a Muslim after he calls for abrogation or rendering certain verses in the Quran as not applicable anymore and refer to the SURAS as redundant and obsolete? (Nausbillah) Such a Muslim is only someone in disguise of a Muslim or he is simply plain ignorant of the very basic qualification and faith needed to be a Muslim. I am not hinting that any Mullah should come out with a fatwa that such a person ceases to be a Muslim and to proclaim him as Kafir, The question is whether he ever was a Muslim? When He Never understood the simple tenets of Islam and repeatedly gave this blasphemous call of abrogating certain verses from the holy Quran which he feels are useless (Nausbillah). Well such a person is none other than Sultan Shahin editor of this site Newageislam.com, it is my sincere call to all Muslims on this site to ignore every  other discussion on this page for the time being and confront this Man Sultan Shahin and ask him to recall his blasphemous and anti Islam article available on this site or he should except that he is not at all a Muslim,  as he has been claiming all this while, I personally feel that any Muslim who read his article and moves on without raising a voice against it, is somewhere unintentionally becoming a part of  Sultan Shahin’s Blasphemous call for abrogating or declaring obsolete certain verses of the holy Quran. Quran Majeed is the word of ALLAH SwT and Flawless in all aspects just as ALLAH SwT himself and any MUSLIM who finds faults with the word of ALLAH SwT can be anyone but not a MUSLIM.

     

    By ASEF -



  • Mughal.

    Read what Rajsanjani said at the meet about the politcal masters and Lord of the Saudis, the US. Right in their hinterland. This is Husainiyat

    fataz

     

    Saudi King Abdullah (R) welcomes former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani at Al-Saffa Palace before the opening ceremony of the International Islamic Conference on Inter-Faith Dialogue in Mecca on Wednesday (REUTERS)
     
    Last update - 17:42 04/06/2008
    Saudi meet aims to launch interfaith dialogue of monotheistic religions
    By The Associated Press
    Tags: Iran, Saudi Arabi

    Saudi King Abdullah said Islam must do away with the dangers of extremism to present the religion's good message to the world as he opened a conference of Muslim figures Wednesday, aimed at launching an interfaith dialogue with Christianity and Islam.

    The three-day gathering in the holy city of Mecca seeks a unified Muslim voice ahead of the interfaith dialogue. In particular, Saudi Arabia hopes to promote reconciliation between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.

    Abdullah walked into the conference hall Wednesday with powerful Iranian politician Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who later sat on the king's left on the stage, sending a message that the Sunni kingdom does not have a problem with moderate Shiites like him.
    Saudi Arabia and mainly Shiite Iran are seen as being top rivals for influence in the Middle East, standing on opposite sides of political divides in Lebanon, Iraq and the Palestinian territories. Moreover, Saudi Arabia's official Wahhabi interpretation of Islam considers Shiites infidels - ahead of Wednesday's gathering a number of hardline Wahhabi clerics issued a statement harshly condemning Shiites and Iran.

    Abdullah announced in March that he wanted to sponsor an interfaith dialogue between the world's monotheistic religions - specifically including Jews.

    "You have gathered today to tell the whole world that ... we are a voice of justice and values and humanity, that we are a voice of coexistence and a just and rational dialogue," Abdullah told the 500 Muslim delegates from about 50 Muslim nations in his opening speech.

    He said the Islamic world faces difficult challenges from the extremism of some Muslims, whose aggressions target the magnanimity, fairness and lofty aims of Islam.

    "That's why [the conference] invitation was extended - to face the challenges of isolation, ignorance and narrow horizons, so that the world can absorb the good message of Islam," he said.

    Rafsanjani praised Abdullah, saying, "Our brothers in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia ... have presented a great message to all humanity in the world."

    "Before we speak with other religions, we must speak among ourselves and reach an understanding on a particular Islamic path," he said, calling for greater understanding between Sunnis and Shiites.

    "We should support each other ... not weaken each other or sully each other's reputation," he said. "As a Muslim and a Shiite and an expert in Islamic issues ... I tell you that there are many things in common [between us] and there's no need to look at differences."

    But Rafsanjani - a former Iranian president who now heads two of its most powerful clerical governing bodies - also injected politics into a gathering that Saudi Arabia has said is intended to focus purely on religion and interfaith dialogue.

    Rafsanjani said the Islamic world should resist the United States and not let it gain control of the natural resources of Muslim countries - a pointed comment in oil giant Saudi Arabia, a top ally of Washington.

    "Why should this tremendous group [Muslims] be weak before the International Arrogance?" Rafsanjani said, using a common term among Iranian leaders for the United States. "We do not want to use force or to be unjust but we don't want to hand over our rights to others."

    "The U.S. is greedy ... and [wants] to control our countries and to pressure us and plunder our wealth and resources," he said.

    Participants say they hope the gathering will culminate in an agreement on a global Islamic charter on dialogue with Christians and Jews. They expect Saudi Arabia will launch its formal call for an interfaith dialogue at the conference's close or soon after.

    Abdullah first announced his intention to sponsor an interfaith dialogue in March - the first such initiative from a a nation with no diplomatic ties to Israel and a ban on non-Muslim religious services and symbols.

    His message, which has been welcomed by Jewish, Christian and Muslim leaders, is significant. The Saudi monarch is the custodian of Islam's two holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina, a position that lends his words special importance and influence. Abdullah said Saudi Arabia's top clerics have given him the green light - crucial backing in a society that expects decisions taken by its rulers to adhere to Islam's tenets.

    It remains unclear who will participate in the second phase of the initiative, in particular whether Israeli religious leaders will be invited. The kingdom and all other Arab nations except Egypt and Jordan do not have diplomatic relations with Israel and generally shun unofficial contacts
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  • KIND ATTENTION  AMIR MUGHAL  BBC Report Obituary: King Fahd
    King Fahd
    King Fahd's life
    King Fahd's rule saw Saudi Arabia ally itself closely with both the United Kingdom and the United States. Domestically, he had to contend both with the impact of falling oil revenues and an increasingly fragmented society.

    King Fahd, who ascended the Saudi throne in 1982, was one of seven sons of the founder of Saudi Arabia, King Abdel-Aziz, and his favourite wife, Hassa.

    He was the fourth of his siblings to be king. Two of his brothers lost power violently - one was deposed in a coup; the other was assassinated.

    Experienced politician

    He had a reputation as a playboy in his youth, with allegations of womanising, drinking and gambling to excess. Indeed, it is claimed that he once lost more than $6m in one night at the Monte Carlo casino.

    Riyadh Riyadh: The modern face of Saudi Arabia
    But he settled down in the 1950s to take ministerial positions in the Saudi administration.

    When he became king, he already had a great deal of political experience. He had been a reforming minister of education, playing a role in furthering the education of women in Saudi Arabia.

    The young Fahd was known as a technocrat and political wheeler-dealer. He knew about internal security and about how the kingdom needed to be defended from within.

    He also had a reputation as something of a diplomat, who understood the intricacies of foreign policy, especially the importance of the Saudi dynasty's relationship with the United States.

    Land of plenty

    Such political finesse was valuable when Fahd had to steer the kingdom through the leaner and more troubled period following the oil boom of the 1970s.

    Saudi Arabia is home to the world's greatest oil reserves and, during the 1970s, the petro-dollars flooded in.

    King Fahd Fahd tried to balance tradition and modernity
    There was a joke that new Cadillacs were dumped as soon as their ashtrays were full. King Fahd himself amassed a personal fortune estimated at $18bn.

    Such a boom could not be sustained. By the early 1980s, just when King Fahd came to power, annual oil income began to fall.

    Saudi Arabia, with its huge oil production and massive reserves, had always been a paternalistic state which prided itself on giving its citizens cradle-to-grave care.

    Fahd was forced to introduce some austerity measures to stem state spending. Other threats to his authority came from outside.

    Enemies at home and abroad

    The 1979 Revolution in Iran led to fears that Islamic upheaval could spread to Saudi Arabia. King Fahd spent vast amounts supporting Iraq in its war with Iran.

    He also tried to strengthen his own Islamic legitimacy. In 1986, he took the title Khadim al-Haramayn al-Sharifayn (Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques) to indicate his protection of the sacred Muslim sites in the cities of Mecca and Medina.

    Foreign troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War Foreign troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War
    But the greatest threat was still to come.

    In 1990, Iraq invaded neighbouring Kuwait. King Fahd made the sensitive decision to invite Western forces onto Saudi soil to protect the kingdom.

    He told his people, "These forces are participating in joint exercises with Saudi Arabia. Their presence will be temporary."

    After the war, though, US forces did not leave. A bomb explosion at their desert headquarters in 1996 killed 19 and appeared to signal the depth of popular resentment.

    Catalogue of crises

    But many Saudis, and Muslims further afield, believed that the stationing of non-Muslim soldiers in the birthplace of Islam went directly against an explicit ruling of the Prophet Muhammad.

    That impression intensified after the attacks on the United States on 11 September 2001. Fifteen of the hijackers were thought to have been Saudi nationals.

    And the Saudi-born Osama Bin Laden had often pledged to drive the "infidels" out of Saudi Arabia.

    Crown Prince Abdullah Crown Prince Abdullah has succeeded his half-brother
    At times, popular movements opposed to the royal family within the country have raised their colours, a dangerous activity in what remains a highly-repressive country.

    The huge cost of the Gulf War meant that the king had to take some even more stringent economic austerity measures.

    King Fahd found himself faced with a whole series of interlocking crises - economic, political and military - which the ailing leader seemed ill-equipped to keep under control.

    Experienced successor

    King Fahd's health had long been a problem. He was diabetic, for many years a heavy smoker and suffered a stroke in 1995.

    Officially, after a relatively short break at the time, he resumed many of his duties using a wheelchair and stick.

    His chosen successor, his half-brother Abdullah, is the head of the National Guard, the tribal army largely responsible for the kingdom's internal security.

    An austere and respected figure, Crown Prince Abdullah is untainted by corruption, while being regarded by many as less enthusiastically pro-American than King Fahd.

    And among watchers of the opaque world of Saudi statecraft, Crown Prince Abdullah is thought already to have been de facto ruler for much of the past five years.


    By faraz ahmad haq -



  • Amir Mughal

    Why do you waste your energy on such insane blogs? It was so stupid to read behind the Iran revolution 1.  Do something creative bring some change in the society you live in which is infested with all the evils like terrorism aka Wahabism.  

    Criticizing Imam Khomeini will take you nowhere, his worth has been proved and it will never need your post or your views to undermine it.  He was the greatest leader to have walked in this century in front of our eyes.  At least Khomeini and Iran were not paying indemnity to Baba Bush Sr and Jr both to remain in power as Saudi Arabia, the servant of the US
    Even today if someone even raise a whisper in US, these Abdullah’s, the progeny of Abdel Aziz tremble and shake.  You remember how Fahd was waltzing with a white lady and with cross in his neck to please his masters in US.  The photo was published all over the world.  Leave Khomeini, concentrate on these Saudi rulers, the usurpers, pirate and goons and expose them for it is a tragedy to call this family as custodian

     

    By Faraz Ahmad Haq -



  • Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    I wonder what the hell Irani Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani is doing in Wahabi-Yazeedi-Osama Saudi Arabia. Please solve this riddle Amir Mughal First of all Rajsanjani is not an Ayatollah.  You are wrong. By walking with Abdullah and the grand Mufti it does not mean that he condone the Saudi sins or  the perfidious Wahabi movement.  You are too laced with such meaningless thought Mughal you dont know what diplomacy is. [Faraz]

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    Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    Ok, agreed that I was wrong by branding Rafanjani an Ayatullah. Let me re-write my post:

     

    Why Diplomacy? Rafsanjani should have adopted the Philosophy of Hussein [as per Shia interpretation] and should have raised his voice against Yazeedi Wahabis Saudi System of Governance. Why didn't Rafsanjani follow the Husseiniyat.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    I wonder what the hell Irani Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani is doing in Wahabi-Yazeedi-Osama Saudi Arabia. Please solve this riddle

     

    Amir Mughal

    First of all Rajsanjani is not an Ayatollah.  You are wrong.

    By walking with Abdullah and the grand Mufti it does not mean that he condone the Saudi sins or  the perfidious Wahabi movement.  You are too laced with such meaningless thought Mughal you dont know what diplomacy is.

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • Correction

    Had Jannatul Baqi, Holy Makkah located in my land believe me the saudi regime which demolished such important places would have been wiped out from the face of earth. 

     This should read

    Had Jannatul Baqi, historical places in Holy Makkah like Janabe Khadija (RA) House, Prophet Muhammad library, Sahabe Karam residences, Hazrat Abu Talib(RA) House located in my land believe me the saudi regime which demolished such important places would have been wiped out from the face of earth

     

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • Amir Mughal

    First you concoct theory and then fail to reply.  I mentioned  Dr Zafarul Islam Khan and not his father and there is no reason to bring him.  You are wrong, terrorism in modern time in Islam( before that by the Umayyad ruler Muawiya, Yazid ) has only been routed through the Saudi brand of Islam, Wahabis and that includes Talibans to LeT to Al Qaeda to Masood Azhar and to Zakir Naik. All have a common linkage.  Like you they also propogate hate, misinformation.  Isn’t it their rabid thought that saw demolition of historical places of Islam in Saudi swoop and amazing this is the only country that has removed important places of history associated with our Holy Prophet SAW?  This wretched regime however preserves all traces of its own history see Dirriyah fort of Abdel Aziz in Riyadh and King Faisal museum, to name a few.  You come to my land. We have preserved all marvels of Muslim history and even traces of places associated millennia of years ago with Ramayana and Mahabharata  The Ashoka pillars are intact and so are the holy places be it Ajmer, Chiragh Delhi, Hazrat Nizamuddin even with the way the country is expanding.  You rewrite history and remove its pillars and some years down the lane even a trace of history associated with our Holy prophet will be removed.

    You may mention Babri Mosque but see the whole nation stood against this dastradly act.  Had Jannatul Baqi, Holy Makkah located in my land believe me the saudi regime which demolished such important places would have been wiped out from the face of earth. 

     

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • I am amazed with your narrow and senile thinking.  You hate Muadoodi because he was friend (as you say) with Khomeni or on his book Caliphate and Monarchy.??????  In your earlier post you never mentioned that you hated Maudoodi just because he was in close contact with Khomeini.   There is a great Sunni scholar in India by the name of dr Zafrul Islam Khan and read his opinion on Khomeini.  But for liars and those who believe in the hadith manufacturing machinery, reason will never count.  Read Muadoodi book on caliphate and you will hate monarchy that exists in Saudi [Faraz]

    ==================================

     

    Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    You should have read what Maulana Wahiduddin Khan f/o Dr Zafrul Islam Khan has written on Mawdudi, Khomeini, Azad, Qutub, Hasan Al Banna, Jamaluddin Afghani and all such Violent Deviant Political Islamists. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan has so thoroughly routed these Calamities of Mawdudi, Khomeini, Azad, Qutub, Hasan Al Banna, Jamaluddin Afghani and Allama Iqbal as well etc.etc so thoroughly that cannot be compared.

     

    Read Yeh Khush Khayal Muffakireen in the link below page 302

     

    http://www.alrisala.org/Audio_Books/Urdu/Asbaq-e-Tarikh/Asbaq-e-Tarikh_1.PDF

     

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • I am amazed with your narrow and senile thinking.  You hate Muadoodi because he was friend (as you say) with Khomeni or on his book Caliphate and Monarchy.??????  In your earlier post you never mentioned that you hated Maudoodi just because he was in close contact with Khomeini.   There is a great Sunni scholar in India by the name of dr Zafrul Islam Khan and read his opinion on Khomeini.  But for liars and those who believe in the hadith manufacturing machinery, reason will never count.  Read Muadoodi book on caliphate and you will hate monarchy that exists in Saudi [Faraz]

    ==================================

     

    Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    You should have read what Maulana Wahiduddin Khan f/o Dr Zafrul Islam Khan has written on Mawdudi, Khomeini, Azad, Qutub, Hasan Al Banna, Jamaluddin Afghani and all such Violent Deviant Political Islamists. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan has so thoroughly routed these Calamities of Mawdudi, Khomeini, Azad, Qutub, Hasan Al Banna, Jamaluddin Afghani etc.etc so thoroughly that cannot be compared. Maulana Wahid Sahab has also routed the Islamic Militancy of Pakistan as well. Therefore, Dear Brother, before opening your mouth, you need much homework and lot of reading. Read Maulana Wahiduddin Khan's Asbaq-e-Tareekh [Lessons of History]

     

    Faraz Sahab,

     

    Let me help you on this [Wahid Sahab had written in 60s "Tabeer Ki Ghalti" and this whole book is on Mawdudi's Deviant Ways of Jamat-e-Islami, get this book and you will know where these Political Islamists [Khomeini included] went wrong rather adopted entirely deviant ways.

     

    Maulana Wahiduddin Khan [Great Indian Scholar] - May Allah bless him here and in the life hereafter. It is very unfortunate for Pakistanis that we dont have Saint [Buzurg] like Mauala Sahib:

     

    Books [online in URDU]

     

    That's how preaching is done and that's how Ijtihad [Re-interpretation] is done without tinkering in the Original Text of Quran and Hadith.

     

    PDF/Audio Books (Urdu) By Maulana Wahiduddin Khan

     

    http://www.alrisala.org/Audio_Books/Urdu/Urdu_audio_bks_Pics.htm

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • I am amazed with your narrow and senile thinking.  You hate Muadoodi because he was friend (as you say) with Khomeni or on his book Caliphate and Monarchy.??????  In your earlier post you never mentioned that you hated Maudoodi just because he was in close contact with Khomeini.   There is a great Sunni scholar in India by the name of dr Zafrul Islam Khan and read his opinion on Khomeini.  But for liars and those who believe in the hadith manufacturing machinery, reason will never count.  Read Muadoodi book on caliphate and you will hate monarchy that exists in Saudi [Faraz]

    ==================================

     

    Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    You should have read what Maulana Wahiduddin Khan f/o Dr Zafrul Islam Khan has written on Mawdudi, Khomeini, Azad, Qutub, Hasan Al Banna, Jamaluddin Afghani and all such Violent Deviant Political Islamists. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan has so thoroughly routed these Calamities of Mawdudi, Khomeini, Azad, Qutub, Hasan Al Banna, Jamaluddin Afghani etc.etc so thoroughly that cannot be compared. Maulana Wahid Sahab has also routed the Islamic Militancy of Pakistan as well. Therefore, Dear Brother, before opening your mouth, you need much homework and lot of reading. Read Maulana Wahiduddin Khan's Asbaq-e-Tareekh [Lessons of History]

     

    Faraz Sahab,

     

    Let me help you on this [Wahid Sahab had written in 60s "Tabeer Ki Ghalti" and this whole book is on Mawdudi's Deviant Ways of Jamat-e-Islami, get this book and you will know where these Political Islamists [Khomeini included] went wrong rather adopted entirely deviant ways.

     

    Maulana Wahiduddin Khan [Great Indian Scholar]

     

    http://www.wkhan.net/books.htm

     

    http://www.wkhan.net/

     

    http://www.wkhan.net

     

    *    http://www.alrisala.org

    *    http://www.goodwordbooks.com

    *    http://www.cpsglobal.org

     

    http://www.alrisala.org/intro_page_links/maulana_wahiduddin_khan.htm

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • I am amazed with your narrow and senile thinking.  You hate Muadoodi because he was friend (as you say) with Khomeni or on his book Caliphate and Monarchy.??????  In your earlier post you never mentioned that you hated Maudoodi just because he was in close contact with Khomeini.   There is a great Sunni scholar in India by the name of dr Zafrul Islam Khan and read his opinion on Khomeini.  But for liars and those who believe in the hadith manufacturing machinery, reason will never count.  Read Muadoodi book on caliphate and you will hate monarchy that exists in Saudi [Faraz]

    ==================================

     

    Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    You should have read what Maulana Wahiduddin Khan f/o Dr Zafrul Islam Khan has written on Mawdudi, Khomeini, Azad, Qutub, Hasan Al Banna, Jamaluddin Afghani and all such Violent Deviant Political Islamists. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan has so thoroughly routed these Calamities of Mawdudi, Khomeini, Azad, Qutub, Hasan Al Banna, Jamaluddin Afghani etc.etc so thoroughly that cannot be compared. Maulana Wahid Sahab has also routed the Islamic Militancy of Pakistan as well. Therefore, Dear Brother, before opening your mouth, you need much homework and lot of reading. Read Maulana Wahiduddin Khan's Asbaq-e-Tareekh [Lessons of History]

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  

    Mughal you are a lilliput in front of this greatest personality of our time you may ascribe canard against him but it will never stand out,  You are too toooooooo inconspicuous even to discuss about Khomeini.   What else can one expect from a man who has love for for blood hungry, terrorist like Yazeed and the Osamas of Saudi Arabia and it is people like they who has made your own country a den of terrorism.  And Obama is coming to tame Osamas. [Faraz]

    ==========================================================

     

    Dear Mr Faraz,

     

    I wonder what the hell Irani Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani is doing in Wahabi-Yazeedi-Osama Saudi Arabia. Please solve this riddle

     

    http://www.payvand.com/news/08/jun/1026.html

    Makkah's Wahabi Imam of Saudi Arabia, Saudi King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and Irani Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani

    Rafsanjani in Saudi for Islamic Conference [watch the video]

    http://revver.com/video/935888/rafsanjani-in-saudi-for-islamic-conference/

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Amir Mughal

     

    I am amazed with your narrow and senile thinking.  "Those who create difference between Shias and Sunnis are not Muslim but infidels" Imam Khomeini I challenge you on this score that your statement on Khomeni was wrong, malicious and aimed to create disunity among Muslim like all Wahabis normally do .   There is a great Sunni scholar in India by the name of dr Zafrul Islam Khan and read his opinion on Khomeini. [Faraz]

     

    ===============================

    Dear Faraz Sahab,

     

    I damn care what Dr Zafrul Islam Khan says about Khomeini:

     

    Behind The Islamic Revolution of Iran - Part I

     

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-islamic-revolution-of-iran-part.html

     

    Behind The Islamic Revolution of Iran - Part II

     

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-islamic-revolution-of-iran-part_14.html

     

    Behind The Islamic Revolution of Iran - Part III

     

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-islamic-revolution-of-iran-part_7904.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Amir Mughal

     

    I am amazed with your narrow and senile thinking.  You hate Muadoodi because he was friend (as you say) with Khomeni or on his book Caliphate and Monarchy.?????? 

    In your earlier post you never mentioned that you hated Maudoodi just because he was in close contact with Khomeini.  I thought your attack on the once revered leader of the Wahabis and the cynosure of the perfidious and despicable Saudi regime and one of the front runner anti Islam Wahabi Maudoodi was on the book Caliphate and Monarachy

    You are so confused, so ill informed and great manufacturer of wrong information like your predecessor Muawiya and his Ummayad rulers that often you go off tangent.  Your statement on Khomeini appearing in Tehran Times is absolutely false, wrong and aimed to create hatred.  The same Tehran Times you quote use to carry a line just below its masthead which read

    "Those who create difference between Shias and Sunnis are not Muslim but infidels" Imam Khomeini

     You are doing the same creating differences with your concocted hadith.  I challenge you on this score that your statement on Khomeni was wrong, malicious and aimed to create disunity among Muslim like all Wahabis normally do .  And  obviously Wahabis are anti-Islam.  Mughal dont indulge in falsehood, you should know Tehran times is printed in English and the title you quote is in Farsi.  Also not all news paper reporters are correct but this is certain that Khomeini view on Shia and Sunni unity was always on the front page of the paper you quote.  Your falsehood stands exposed.

    It is evident that you hate anyone who has some link or fascination for Khomeini who heralded the biggest revolution in our time and the pity is the land was Iran and not Saudi Arabia.  Mughal you are a lilliput in front of this greatest personality of our time you may ascribe canard against him but it will never stand out,  You are too toooooooo inconspicuous even to discuss about Khomeini.   What else can one expect from a man who has love for for blood hungry, terrorist like Yazeed and the Osamas of Saudi Arabia and it is people like they who has made your own country a den of terrorism.  And Obama is coming to tame Osamas.

     There is a great Sunni scholar in India by the name of dr Zafrul Islam Khan and read his opinion on Khomeini.  But for liars and those who believe in the hadith manufacturing machinery, reason will never count.  Read Muadoodi book on caliphate and you will hate monarchy that exists in Saudi

     

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • Thanks Aamir Mughal Saheb for your explanation. It seems we are basically on the same page. But tell me would it be okay for us to consider secular non-Muslim majority countries where Muslims are free to practise their religion the way they please as Darul Aman and Muslim-majority countries where they have to face internecine sectarian warfare and where they are stopped from practising their religion according to their own personal understanding of what it means to be a Muslim as Darul Harb? Essentially, the question is how would you characterise Western countries and India on the one hand where one can essentially practise Islam according to one’s own understanding of this faith and counties like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. on the other, where that is not so easy? Which one should be regarded as what – land of peace and land of conflict?

     

    Also, are these distinctions even relevant today? Do they apply to us in the same sense as they must have applied to Muslims for a time in 7th century A.D.?

     

    I would also like you to come up with a considered opinion, not just hints or insinuations. At a critical time like this, there is no occasion for circumlocution. We will just have to come straight out and say what we think is right on this and similar subjects. Enemies of Islam and Muslims both from outside and inside are using this Darul Aman-Darul Harb concept, among other things like supposedly war-instigating Quranic verses, either to wrongly suspect us of perfidy or to brainwash our youth into killing innocents in the name of Jihad that becomes supposedly justified and indeed farz in a land of conflict.

     

    Sultan Shahin

    By Sultan Shahin -



  •  

    Understanding the Muslim Mind  by Mr. Ashoke Chowgule

    Bravo Mr. Chowgule On your understanding the Muslim mind Through the mind of a Muslim Shri Lankan TAXI DRIVER......no wonder  the Netas are so ill informed about the woes of the people.

    Next time try to learn about good things in life, atleast Through  a mediocre source if not from the right sources.

    By ASEF -



  •  

    AMIR MUGHAL

    YOU ARE SUCH A FUNNY MAN ONE CAN ONLY LAUGH AT YOU.  WERE YOU EVER IN THE TAX DEPARTMENT BECUASE THE ONLY THING YOU EXCEL IS BY TAXING THE MIND OF OTHER WITH YOUR LONG ILLOGICAL AND OFTEN CONCOCTED POSTS.   BREVITY IS THE SOUL OF WIT.

     I AM AMZED WITH YOUR ILLOGICAL LOGICS. AND EQUALLY AMAZED AT YOU CALLING MAUALANA MAUDOODI SHAITAN.  WHY MUGHAL JUST BECAUSE HIS BOOK CHALLENGED THE DESPOTIC REGIME OF THE PIRATES AND GOONS SAUD AND ABDEL AZIZ FAMILY WHO HAVE USURPED HIJAZ.  YOU KNOW THEIR HISTORY, THEY WERE ROOBERS AND THIEVES LIKE ALL THE WAHABIS.I AM  ALSO AMAZED THAT YOU  CAN CALL MAUDOODI WHO WAS ONCE THE CYNOSURE OF THE  ILLEGITIMATE SAUDI REGIME A SHAITAN, BUT YOUR LEG SHAKES AND YOUR TONGUE CRANKS IN CALLING THE CURSED YAZEED AS THE BIGGEST SHAITAN OF ALL TIMES.  WHY MUGHAL.  ISNT IT THE BIGGEST HYPOCRISY OF ALL TIMES THAT YOU CONDEMN MAUDOODI BECUASE OF YOUR  PERFIDIOUS SAUDI LINKAGE BUT YOU TREMBLE TO CALL YAZEED WHO ASSASINATED THE FAMILY OF OUR HOLY PROPHET.  SHAME ON YOU { Faraz Ahmad haq}

    Good reasoning by Mr. Faraz Haq, I am sure Mr Amir Moghul  feels  the finger prints on his face.

    By ASEF REZAVI -



  • Mughal, monarchy is alien to Islam and yet you follow Saudis more than Islam. [Faraz]

    ================

    Dear Faraz Sahab,

    You are wrong because my veiw on Saudi Arabian politics is as under: [Read my Comment]

    Saudi Arabia finally feels a slight prick of conscience over Gaza massacre, urges US to be even-handed

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1159

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  

    Mr. Aamir Mughal has raised a very important issue in a post below which needs to be debated threadbare, perhaps in a separate thread - that of Darul Harb versus Darul Aman.

    I live in India. Suppose I were to consider it a Darul Hrab - which of course, I don’t - on the basis of the mere fact of it being a non-Muslim majority country - though it would appear that only so-called Darul Harbs are Darul Amans, lands of peace, in today's world - which Darul Aman, a Muslim country, would accept me as a full-fledged citizen, that India accepts me as? Pakistan will not even give me a visit visa, perhaps, unless I give it a host of false and forged documents. Saudi Arabia and all other Arab or Muslim countries, I can live and work there, if I find a job, for hundreds of years, but I would never get any citizenship rights. Only countries that I can think of which can give me full citizenship rights as India does would be countries of the West, like the UK,  USA, Canada, Australia, other European countries. It won't be easy but it is doable. However, according to Mr. Aamir Mughal's definition, these are all Darul-Harbs, so what would be the point of shifting from one Darul Harb to another? What kind of Islam and what kind of Darul Harbs and Darul Amans are you talking about Mr. Aamir Mughal? Do you consider Pakistan a Darul Aman for Muslims, where Muslims are killed routinely during prayers in mosques, and where even the Muslims for whom this country was created do not get even visit visas?

     

    Sultan Shahin, editor, New Age Islam

     

    By Sultan Shahin -



  • Date:    Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:58:22 +0530 [11:58:22 AM IST]

    From:   ghulam muhammed  

    To:       sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>

     

    Subject: A running thread of deep saffron - By Christophe Jafferlot - The Indian Express

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-running-thread-of-deep-saffron/416409/

     

    A running thread of deep saffron

     Christophe Jaffrelot

    Posted: Jan 29, 2009 at 1107 hrs IST

     

    The people behind the Malegaon terrorist attack fell into three categories — Sangh parivar cadres, army men and old Savarkarites. The first person to be arrested by the police, Pragya Singh, was a sadhvi and former ABVP leader. A second group of the accused comprised army men, retired or not, related to the Bhonsle Military School (BMS). Major Ramesh Upadhyay, a former defence services officer was arrested first, but the key figure was Lt Col Prasad Purohit, who had approached Upadhyay when he was posted at Nasik as liaison officer. Purohit and Upadhyay imparted military training to young activists — including bomb making — and were instrumental in getting arms and explosives.

    Most of the training camps took place in the BMS, which had been directed by Rtd Major P.B. Kulkarni between 1973 and 1988, andwho had been associated with the RSS since 1935. In fact, the Bajrang Dal organised training camps in the BMS (Nagpur) as early as 2001. The five accused mentioned above were all members of Abhinav Bharat, a Pune-based movement initiated by Purohit in June 2006, whose working president was Ramesh Upadhyaya but whose president was none other than Himani Savarkar, V.D. Savarkar's daughter in law, who also headed the Hindu Mahasabha. 

     

    The people, the places and the modus operandi are revealing of the continuity that underlines the Hindu tradition of terror, harking back to V.D. Savarkar. The young, revolutionary Savarkar had created the first Abhinav Bharat Society in 1905. The movement drew its name and its inspiration from Mazzini's 'Young Italy', but was also influenced by Frost Thomas's Secret Societies of the European Revolution, a book dealing mostly with the Russian nihilists. The movement was dissolved in 1952, but ten years back, just before finishing his term as Hindu Mahasabha president, Savarkar had created the Hindu Rashtra Dal, another militia whose mission was to impart military training to the Hindus in order to fight the Muslims, Gandhi's followers and the Mahatma himself. This movement cashed in on the work of the same institution — the Bhonsle Military School, started in 1935 by B.S. Moonje, another Nagpur-based Savarkarite, after a European tour which had exposed him to Mussolini's Balilla movement.

     

    Like the Abhinav Bharat of today, the Hindu Rashtra Dal attracted Hindutva-minded Maharashtrian Brahmins — especially from Poona — who found the RSS insufficiently active. Some of them also had connections to the British Army.

     

    Nathuram Godse and N.D. Apte, the two main architects of Gandhi's assassination, are cases in point. Godse thought that RSS strategy contented itself with "organisation for the sake of organisation". The Hindu Rashtra Dal, by contrast, organised training camps where volunteers learnt how to manufacture bombs and use guns from bicycles and cars. The key instructor was N.D. Apte who had served the army as Assistant Technical Recruiting Officer. In this capacity, he could use the War Service Exhibitions — which were intended to attract young Indians to the army — to initiate Hindu Rashtra Dal members into the art of modern arms.

     

    The Hindu Rashtra Dal's terrorist agenda culminated in the assassination of Gandhi, who had already been a Savarkarite target before — in 1934, they threw a bomb in Poona Municipal Town Hall where Gandhi was making a speech against untouchability. 

     

    While today's Abhinav Bharat belongs to an old tradition harking back to Savarkar and even Tilak, the new element here lies in the implication of one serving officer of the Indian army. Certainly, any institution can have a black sheep. But was he that isolated? He has already named other officers who would have been his more or less passive accomplices and his colleague, Upadhyay, who once headed the <Mumbai unit of the BJP's ex-servicemen cell. The BJP, indeed, inducted ex-army men in large numbers since the 1990s. After the BJP came to power in 1998, two dozens ex-servicemen more joined the party. This inflow of ex-army men may reflect the increasingly communal atmosphere of the institution. In December 2003, a survey by the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies for Tehelka, one of the first among army men — and probably the most comprehensive — showed that 19 per cent of the soldiers interviewed felt that the army practised some religious discrimination — and 24 per cent of the Muslims among them shared this view.

     

    Instead of distancing itself from the Hindu terrorists, as it had done in the 1940s, this time the Sangh Parivar has decided to support the Malegaon accused. Bajrang Dal chief Prakash Sharma declared that "policy makers should be worried if the Hindus were taking to arms because of the government's skewed approach to war on terror" and admitted that the Bajrang Dal was running training camps too "to boost their morale [the Bajrang Dal's members]. The country wouldn't get its Abhinav Bindras if there were no armed training for the youth".

     

    In a way, the RSS, with the Bajrang Dal, has created a buffer organisation to handle the dirty work that the Sangh was earlier obliged to do itself — work similar to that of the Savarkarite organisations, whether they are called Hindu Rashtra Dal or Abhinav Bharat.

     

    The writer is a political scientist and South Asia specialist at CERI, Paris

    By Ghulam Muhammed -



  • Date:    Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:49:45 -0600 [02:19:45 PM IST]

    From:   Manoj Padhi

    To:       sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>

    Subject:            Re: Obama Must Prosecute Rumsfeld for War Crimes By Matthew Rothschild - January 27, 2009

     

    Since when Animal torture has become a crime ?

     

    Terrorists are considered Animals in India and when dogs get mad, we shoot them. Any amount of torture is permitted.

    Must read and forward links

    <http://www.indianexpress.com/news/human-rights-terrorists-are-animals-we-nee.../416004/

     

    <http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Terrorists_are_animals_SC_judge_/rssarticleshow/4038562.cms

     

    <http://hindtoday.com/Blogs/ViewBlogsV2.aspx?HTAdvtId=3126&HTAdvtPlaceCode=LKA

     

     

    Hope, the following humorous letter written by Don Rumsfeld to a terrorist sympathizer will open your eyes..

     

    I endorse this and if you do , please send a brief comment..

     

    Taking Care of the Guantanamo Detainees

    <http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_lark.asp

     

    A person wrote a letter to the White House complaining about the

    treatment of a captive taken during the Afghanistan war. Attached is a

    copy of a letter they received back:

     

    The White House

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, D.C. 20016

    Dear Concerned Citizen:

     

    Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of

    the Taliban and Al Qaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo

    Bay, Cuba.

     

    My administration takes these matters seriously, and your opinion was

    heard loud and clear here in Washington.

     

    You'll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens

    like you, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining

    Program, to be called the "Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers"

    program, or LARK for short. In accordance with the guidelines of this

    new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your

    personal care.

     

    Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for

    transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence next

    Monday.

     

    Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be

    cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your

    letter of admonishment. It will likely be necessary for you to hire

    some assistant caretakers. We will conduct weekly inspections to

    ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with

    those you so strongly recommended in your letter.

     

    Ahmed's meal requirements are simple, but we strongly suggest serving

    meals that do not require utensils, particularly knives and forks.

    Also, these should be "one-handed" foods; Ahmed will not eat with his

    left hand since he uses that for personal matters.

     

    He generally bathes quarterly with the change of seasons, assuming

    that it rains, and he washes his clothes simultaneously. This should

    help with your water bill. Also, your new friend has a really bad case

    of body lice that hasn't been completely remedied. Please heed the

    large orange notice attached to your detainee's cage: "Does not play

    well with others."

     

    Although Ahmed is sociopathic and extremely violent, we hope that your

    sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will

    help him overcome these character flaws.

     

    Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural

    differences. He will bite you, given the chance, but his rabies test

    came back negative, so not to worry. We understand that you plan to

    offer counseling and home schooling. Your adopted terrorist is

    extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human

    life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We do not

    suggest that you ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga

    group. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices

    from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items

    locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.

     

    Ahmed will not wish to interact with your wife or daughters (except

    sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property.

    However, he will be eager to assist with the education of your sons;

    have available for their use several copies of the Q'uran.

     

    Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like

    you, who know so much, keep us informed of the proper way to do our

    job. We think this watching over each other's shoulder is such a good

    way for people to interact that we will be sending a team of federal

    officials with expertise in your line of work to your place of

    business soon, just to help you do your job better. Don't be concerned

    that they have the power to close your business, seize your property,

    and arrest you for any violation of the 4,850,206 laws, codes,

    regulations and rules that apply to your profession. They're really

    there just to make sure you're doing everything the proper way. That

    is what you wanted, right?

     

    Well, thank you for this opportunity to interact with such a valued

    member of the citizenry. You take good care of Ahmed - and

    remember...we'll be watching.

     

    Cordially...Your Buddy, Don Rumsfeld

    ---

    On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:14 AM, ghulam.muhammed <<ghulam.muhammed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Obama Must Prosecute Rumsfeld for War Crimes

    By Matthew Rothschild, January 27, 2009

     

    If I were Donald Rumsfeld, and what a horrible thought that is, I wouldn't be traveling abroad any time soon. And I might be out looking for a disguise here at home.

     

    Because Rumsfeld stands before the world as an unindicted war criminal for ordering torture while he was Bush's Secretary of Defense.

     

    No less a figure that the UN's Special Rapporteur on Torture said on CNN Monday that "Rumsfeld clearly authorized torture methods." The Rapporteur, Manfred Nowak, said the United States has an "obligation" to investigate this, and he has passed his recommendation on to the United Nations.

     

    The smoking gun is a December 2, 2002, directive Rumsfeld issued that ordered sensory deprivation, stress positions, isolation, and the use of dogs on prisoners.

     

    He also admitted hiding at least one detainee from the Red Cross, which violates the Geneva Conventions.

     

    And, according to Seymour Hersh, he set up a Secret Access Program "that was given blanket advance approval to kill or capture." Summary executions constitute a war crime.

     

    Plus, he had "command responsibility" for those under him who were doing the torturing. If he knew about war crimes and did not try to stop them, he's also guilty of a war crime.

     

    "Rumsfeld was intimately involved with the interrogation of a Saudi detainee, Mohamed al-Qahtani, at Guantánamo in late 2002. General Geoffrey Miller, who later transferred many of his harsh interrogation techniques to Abu Ghraib, supervised the interrogation and gave Rumsfeld weekly updates on his progress. During a six-week period, al-Qahtani was stripped naked, forced to wear women's underwear on his head, denied bathroom access, threatened with dogs, forced to perform tricks while tethered to a dog leash, and subjected to sleep deprivation," <Marjorie Cohn reported for Alternet.

     

    The evidence against Rumsfeld has been on the table for years now.

     

    Back in 2005, <Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch said there was prima facie evidence that Rumsfeld was a war criminal.

     

    And Amnesty International said that if the United States didn't prosecute Rumsfeld, then foreign governments should. "If anyone suspected of involvement in the U.S. torture scandal visits or transits through foreign territories, governments could take legal steps to ensure that such individuals are investigated and charged with applicable crimes," Amnesty International USA said.

     

    More recently, the general who investigated Abu Ghraib concluded that the most senior Bush administration officials committed war crimes.

     

    "There is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes," Retired Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba wrote, in the preface to a report by Physicians for Human Rights last year. "The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

     

    Taguba believes that Bush himself could be brought up on war crimes. "The Commander-in-Chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," <he said, in the preface to "Broken Laws, Broken Lives."

     

    Finally, the <Senate Armed Services Committee released a report late last year that implicated Rumsfeld in the abuse of detainees.

     

    "Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques for use at Guantanamo Bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse there," it said. He also "contributed to the use of abusive techniques, including military working dogs, forced nudity, and stress positions, in Afghanistan and Iraq."

     

    So why is this man allowed to walk free?

     

    To show that we're a country of laws, to show that we respect human rights, to show that we oppose torture, Barack Obama must instruct the Justice Department to prepare an indictment against Donald Rumsfeld.

     

    And failing that, it'll be up to some courageous foreign government to nab this fugitive from justice.

    By Manoj Padhi -



  • 1 - WHY MUGHAL JUST BECAUSE HIS BOOK CHALLENGED THE DESPOTIC REGIME OF THE PIRATES AND GOONS SAUD AND ABDEL AZIZ FAMILY WHO HAVE USURPED HIJAZ.  YOU KNOW THEIR HISTORY, THEY WERE ROOBERS AND THIEVES LIKE ALL THE WAHABIS. [Faraz]

    2 - I AM  ALSO AMAZED THAT YOU  CAN CALL MAUDOODI WHO WAS ONCE THE CYNOSURE OF THE  ILLEGITIMATE SAUDI REGIME A SHAITAN, [Faraz]

    ================================

    Dear Mr Faraz,

    Before condemning or praising this Malaoon Mawdudi [Accursed Mawdudi - Founder of Jamat-e-Islami Hind, opposed Pakistan but ended up in Pakistan for creating Fitnah and Anarchy amongst Muslims], please go through this:

    Mawdudi’s works began to appear in Iran in the 1960s. They were translated into Persian from Arabic by Ayatollah Hadi Khusrawshahi and members of a translating team working with him. Articles on Mawdudi and excerpts from his works also appeared in various issues of Khusrawshahi’s journal Maktab-i Islam. Following the revolution of 1978–1979, a number of Mawdudi’s works were translated into Persian from Arabic by Ayatollah Sayyid Muhammad Khamana’i. Interestingly, the first Persian translation of a work of Mawdudi was done in Hyderabad, Deccan, by Mahmud Faruqi in 1946; RJI, vol. 4, 90. More recent translations of Mawdudi’s works into Persian have occurred in Pakistan by the Jama‘at, which target the Afghan community.

    Khomeini once made a statement which was published in the Tehran times (Kitaab be Noujawanaan - P8) that if he conquers Madina Munawwarah, he will remove the two idols (Hadhrat Abu Bakr and Hadhrat Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) besides Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him). I am certain that no believer will accept such a statement against the great luminaries of Islam. Shall we then condemn only Khomeini and condone Mawdudi knowing well that Mawdudi was a close friend of Khomeini and was sympathetic to his course. In a book titled, 'Two brothers - Maududi and Khomeini' page 129, the following statement of Dr Ahmad Farouk Maududi (son of Abul-A'ala Maududi) was published in Roz Naame, Lahore - 29 September 1979, "Allama Khomeini had a very old and close relationship with Abba Jaan (father). Aayaatullah Khomeini translated his (fathers) books in Farsi and included it as a subject in Qum. Allama Khomeini met my father in 1963 during Hajj and my father's wish was to create a revolutionary in Pakistan similar to Iran. He was concerned about the success of the Iranian revolution till his last breath.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • From    Ashok Chowgule

    To:       Sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>

    date     29 January 2009 15:26

     

    Understanding the Muslim Mind

    Author: Dr Omar Zia

    Publication: Islam Watch

    Date: January 29, 2009

    URL: http://www.islam-watch.org/Omar.Zia/Understanding-the-Muslim-Mind.htm

    29 Jan, 2009

     

    Continuing with my last topic of evolution, or lack thereof, in a Muslim mind, let me give you three real-life examples of how I observed Islam’s toxic effect on the mind of Muslims and how, in my view, they will effect the world around us in the foreseeable future.

     

    1.      Mind of a Sri Lankan Muslim

     

    Two years ago while travelling through Sri Lanka I befriended a taxi driver in Colombo.

     

    He was a young devout Muslim from a family of ten: two aged parents and eight grown-up children. He was the youngest member of the family born and bred in Sri Lanka. From my chats with him during several excursions in the city, I pieced together a detailed picture of the conditions and aspirations of Muslims in Sri Lanka.

     

    Muslims constituted only 7% of the population in Sri Lanka. This boy of 22 knew that. He told me in a meaningful way that non-Muslim Sri Lankans are too cautious when it comes to raising a family. They worry about the education and upbringing of their offspring too much; for that reason, birth-rate amongst non-Muslims is quite low. Muslims in Sri Lanka, on the other hand, believe that Allah will provide everything and do not care how many children they have. This boy was prophetic. Current Muslim population of Sri Lanka is listed as 9% according to many guide-books.

     

    Upon my enquiry as to how he got along with his non-Muslim neighbours, he praised them for their placidity and then complained that he found it quite annoying that Muslims had to take their cowardly neighbour religious sensitivity into account and slaughter animals hidden from the public eye. He assured me that as soon as Muslims were in ascendancy in his country, which, he was sure, would happen in his lifetime, one of the first laws to be passed will be sanctioning of slaughtering of animals in the open, like in any Muslim country. While visiting Hindu temples with me, he proudly informed me that Muslims never allow non-Muslim Sri Lankans to enter mosques, as they were unclean. He was also quite sure that if allowed, Muslims being the worthy fighters and jihadis, can sort out the Tamils within a very short time.

     

    In order to understand better the Muslim society in Sri Lanka, I even accepted his offer of a cuppa at his house towards the end of my stay.  All that I had heard from this young ‘time bomb’ proved absolutely certain. Indeed, the visit proved even more shocking: the rest of his family members appeared even more radicalized and angrier at their majority countrymen. I felt absolutely horrified at the prospect of what is in store for the affable, but oblivious to danger, non-Muslim Sri Lankans.

     

    2. Mind of my young, ambitious nephew

     

    On my last visit to Pakistan, my 18 year nephew visited me and implored to arrange a visa for him to go to England. He was close to completing his schooling but was quite despondent of his future prospects in Pakistan. I explained to him that even though I will endeavour to help him all I can, the final word would rest with the British consulate and it would be his academic records, which, in the end, would decide his fate. My motive was to inspire him to study harder as he seemed quite lacking in knowledge for his age. I also told him that he would have to supplement his studies in England with menial jobs. He seemed absolutely comfortable with that news.

     

    As I was once analyzing a disturbing verse from the Quran (9:29), he arrived. I decided to test him on his humanity and asked if he had ever read Quran. He proudly replied that he had, several times, but only in Arabic and therefore did not understand any of it. I explained the verse to him and asked for his thoughts on this fascist verse. Without any hesitation, he responded that he absolutely believes it is correct. Upon my flustered query as to how can he think of subjugating or killing his hosts in England, he replied to my astonishment that once Islam has overwhelmed England, this verse would become mandatory and Allah’s deed must be carried out. I couldn’t help but feel awed at the corrupting power of Islam.

     

    3. Mind of my educated, progressive, and nonreligious Muslim brother

     

    The third incident, which I wish to relate, came soon after the above incidence during a dinner chat with my progressive, highly educated and largely non-religious brother. I was lamenting to him at the Taliban’s tactics of usurping power in Pakistan. He coolly informed me that Taliban are good people except that they have interpreted Islam wrongly and all true Muslims harbour a Taliban within them. Much shocked at this statement, I asked him to show me what part Taliban had misinterpreted from the Quran. Noticing that he was attempting to change the subject, I persisted and asked him if he had read the Quran with the understanding of it meaning. Not surprisingly, the answer was a somewhat embarrassing "NO".

     

    After the dinner, I asked him to bring out his translated copy of the Quran. He did not possess one. What he luckily did have though was a functioning computer in his son’s room. I persuaded him to sit with me and I got out the verses which were being used, with proof and through their own mouth by Osama, Naik, Israr and many other unabashed fascist nuts. I showed him ahadees, which corroborated those verses from the Bukhari and Muslim collection. I could almost hear his Islamic world collapsing inside him and heard his heartbeat rising. I knew that I was very near to my goal of making him see the truth. It was just seconds away when all of a sudden he almost toppled the monitor and got up in a rage screaming that it was all western propaganda. He started an incoherent, and increasingly alarming, tirade against the Jews, the West and America and eventually blamed me for being an instrument in the hands of some Western think-tank. Suffice it to say that I left his house with a heavy heart that there is little no hope for a peaceable future for our globe.

     

    Dr. Omar Zia is a Pakistani-born ex-Muslim.

    By Ashok Chowgule -



  • Bashir Syed

    mohajir@googlegroups.com
     
    Those who do not know STRATFOR, it is a Phantom intelligence organization run by George Friedman out of Austin, Texas collecting and disseminating intelligence. He tracked and collected information on Muslim scholars and students pursuing  Studies in science and technology in U.S. and other countries. If you didn’t know about this man, then please read “THE ISRAELI SECRET SERVICE, by Richard Deacon, published by Taplinger Publishing Company, New York 1980 (ISBN 0-8008-4267), in which Chapter 9, Yuval’s Ne’eman’s Technological Revolution – pages 118-130, and he was an ardent enemy of Pakistan. Bashir A. Syed Retired Aerospace Physicist.

    ===================================

    The Post may please be read in the context of the Deviant Ideologies of Political Islamists Type of Muslims living in Anglo Saxon Based Secular Democratic Countrres of the West:

    Democracy: meaning rule by the people for the people not as per Islam through Quran and Sunnah.

    Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says: 

    Those whom ye worship beside Him are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers. Allah hath revealed no sanction for them. The decision rests with Allah only, Who hath commanded you that ye worship none save Him. This is the right religion, but most men know not. [YUSUF (JOSEPH)  Chapter 12 - Verse 40]

    The decision is for Allah only. [AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6 Verse 57]

    So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee. And if they turn away, then know that Allah's Will is to smite them for some sin of theirs. Lo! many of mankind are evil-livers. Is it a judgment of the time of (pagan) ignorance that they are seeking? Who is better than Allah for judgment to a people who have certainty (in their belief)? [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 5 - Verse 49 and 50]

    In one of his post in another thread of New Age Islam, Mr Bashir Syed has declared that he is a Mohajir in America [Immigrant in USA]. If he is so concerned about Muslims and Islam then he should follow Quran and Hadith and return back to Pakistan. Please review your stance as per Quran and Hadith [which all Muslim claim to follow and exploit] regarding Living in a Non Muslim Country. Those who want to observe Islam, Veil and Islamic Culture should come back and live in Afghanistan and Northern Areas of Pakistan.

    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say: We were oppressed in the land. (The angels) will say: Was not Allah's earth spacious that ye could have migrated therein? As for such, their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end; [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 Verse 97]

    Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen [Polytheists].” [Sunnan Abu Dawood]

    It is obligatory to migrate from the kaafir lands to the Muslim lands for those who are able to do that, if they are unable to practise their religion openly.

    Ibn al-‘Arabi al-Maaliki said: Hijrah (migration) means leaving dar al-harb [non-Muslim lands] and going to dar al-islam [Muslim lands]. This was obligatory at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and remains so after his time for those who fear for their lives. From Nayl al-Awtaar, 8/33, by al-Shawkaani.

    Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar  said concerning the hadeeth, “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen”:

    This is to be understood as referring to those who are not safe to practise their religion there. Fath al-Baari

    For example:

    If you want to live in the West then follow their Law and don't complain about Prohibition of Veil, dont raise hue and cry when someone amongst them use 'Freedom of Expression' to practice Homosexuality and Lesbianism openly [what do you think when an underage or even adult Muslim male or female watch these acts of Hedonism? Wont this effect him or her? Forbidden as per Quran to even go near to those things which lead to Adultery].

    And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way.[AL-ISRA (ISRA', THE NIGHT JOURNEY, CHILDREN OF ISRAEL) Chapter 17 Verse 32]


    Even watching these things gives you wrong ideas?

    What about your Tax Money through which USA and other NATO Countries financing War On Terror and bombing Innocent Muslims? Forbidden in Quran to help Combatant Non-Muslims in any way. What do you think your Tax Money does? Undoubtedly the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not compromise in matters of his religion. When he was in Makkah, before the Hijrah, he used to pray openly, whilst they were looking on. After the Muslims became a distinct community, a specific style of dress was ordained for them, and they commanded to forsake anything else that was a symbol of kufr and was distinctive to the kuffaar, because this is imitation, and whoever imitates a people is one of them.

    How can the believer be content to live in the land of the Non Muslims  where the rituals of kufr [Disbelief] are proclaimed openly and rule belongs to someone other than Allaah and His Messenger, seeing that with his own eyes, hearing that with his own ears and approving of it, and even starting to feel that he belongs there and living there with his wife and children, and feeling as comfortable there as he does in the Muslim lands, even though he and his wife and children are in such great danger and their religious commitment and morals are in such peril? 

    AS PER PURE ISLAMIC LAW [FOR WHICH THIS UMMAH IS ITCHING] and since theses don't exist in the West and that is why those who condemn Secular-Anglo-Saxon Western Democarcies should come back to 'Islamic Countires'. Following are the salient feature of the Secular Democracies through which Islamic Political Activists Type of Muslims e.g. Mr Bashir Syed and those who belonged to Jamat-e-Islami and Ikwan but settled in the West, reap all the benefits and then shamelessly raise finger against the same system.

    A- Foreign Exchange:

    1 – Dealing in buying and selling for the purpose of profit, and this dealing is usually done in major currencies or financial certificates (shares and bonds) or some types of products, and it may include trade in options, futures and the indexes of major markets.

    2 – Loans, which refers to the money given by the agent to the customer directly if the agent is a bank, or via a third party if the agent is not a bank.

    3 – Riba, which occurs in this transaction in the form of fees for delaying the deal. This is interest that is charged to the purchaser if he does not make a decision on the same day, and which may be a percentage of the loan or a set amount.

    4 – Commission, which is the money that the agent gets as a result of the investor’s (customer’s) dealing through him, and it is an agreed-upon percentage of the value of the sale or purchase.

    5 – The pledge, which is a commitment signed by the customer agreeing to leave the contract with the agent as a pledge for a loan, giving him the right to sell these contracts and take back the loan if the customer’s losses reach a specific percentage of the margin, unless the customer increases the pledge in order to compensate for a drop in the price of the product.

    Firstly: It involves obvious riba, which is represented by the addition to the amount of the loan which is called “paying fees for delaying the deal”. This is a kind of haraam riba. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

    “O you who believe! Fear Allaah and give up what remains (due to you) from Ribaa (from now onward) if you are (really) believers. 279. And if you do not do it, then take a notice of war from Allaah and His Messenger but if you repent, you shall have your capital sums. Deal not unjustly (by asking more than your capital sums), and you shall not be dealt with unjustly (by receiving less than your capital sums)” [al-Baqarah 2:278-279]

    Secondly: The agent stipulates that the customer must deal through him, which leads to combining both giving a loan for something in return and paying commission, which is akin to combining giving a loan and selling at the same time, which is forbidden in sharee’ah because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to give a loan and sell at the same time…” The hadeeth was narrated by Abu Dawood (3/384) and al-Tirmidhi (3/526), who said it is a hasan saheeh hadeeth. In this case he has benefited from his loan, and the fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that every loan that brings a benefit is haraam riba.

    Thirdly: Dealings that are done in this manner in the global markets usually involve many contracts that are haraam according to sharee’ah, such as:

    1-    Dealing in bonds, which comes under the heading of riba which is haraam. This was stated in a resolution of the Islamic Fiqh Council in Jeddah, no. 60, in its sixth session.

    2-    Dealing indiscriminately in company shares. It is haraam to deal in the shares of companies whose main purposes are haraam, or some of their dealings involve riba.

    3-    Selling currencies is usually done without the hand to hand exchange which makes them permissible according to sharee’ah.

    4-    Dealing in options and futures  are not permissible according to sharee’ah, because the object of dealing in these contracts is not money or services or a financial obligation which it is permissible to exchange. The same applies to futures and trading in indexes.

    5-    In some cases the agent is selling something that he does not possess, and selling what one does not possess is forbidden in sharee’ah. 

    B- Establishing Insurance

    1) All kinds of commercial insurance are clearly and undoubtedly ribaa (interest/usury). Insurance is the sale of money for money, of a greater or lesser amount, with a delay in one of the payments. It involves riba al-fadl (interest-based transaction) and riba al-nas’ (interest to be charged if payment is delayed beyond the due date), because the insurance companies take people’s money and promise to pay them more or less money when a specific accident against which insurance has been taken out happens. This is riba, and riba is forbidden in the Qur’aan, in many aayaat.

    2) All kinds of commercial insurance are based on nothing but gambling which is haraam according to the Qur’aan:

    “O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al-Ansaab (stone altars for sacrifice to idols etc.) and Al-Azlaam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaytaan’s (Satan’s) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful” (al-Maa’idah 5:90 – interpretation of the meaning).

    All kinds of insurance are kinds of playing with chances. They tell you, Pay this much money, then if this happens to you we will give you this much. This is pure gambling. Insisting on differentiating between insurance and gambling is pure stubbornness that is unacceptable to any sound mind. The insurance companies themselves admit that insurance is gambling.

    3) All kinds of insurance are forms of uncertainty, and transactions which involve uncertainty are forbidden according to many saheeh ahaadeeth, such as the hadeeth:

    “The Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade transactions determined by throwing a stone and transactions which involved some uncertainty.” (Narrated by Muslim).

    [“Transactions determined by throwing a stone” – this was a type of transaction that was prevalent in the markets of pre-Islamic Arabia, whereby a stone was thrown by either the buyer or the seller, and whatever it touched, its transaction became binding. “Transactions which involved some uncertainty” – is a transaction in which there is no guarantee that the seller can deliver the goods for which he receives payment. Footnotes from the translation of Saheeh Muslim. (Translator)].

    All forms of commercial insurance are based on uncertainty of the most extreme kind. Insurance companies and those who sell insurance refuse to insure cases except where there is clear uncertainty in whether or not the condition being insured against will happen or not.  In other words, the condition being insured against must have a possibility of happening or not happening (as opposed to, for example, someone who has a pre-existing condition, such as a person who is on death row applying for life insurance--translator.) Moreover, this transaction involves something uncertain, which is when an accident will happen and the extent of the damage caused. Hence insurance combines three kinds of extreme uncertainty.

    4) All kinds of commercial insurance consume people’s wealth unjustly, which is haraam according to the Qur’aan:

    “O you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly” (al-Nisaa’ 4:29 – interpretation of the meaning).

    All forms of commercial insurance are fraudulent transactions aimed at consuming people’s wealth unjustly. The precise statistics calculated by one of the German experts state that what people get back of what has been taken from them is no more than 2.9%.

    Insurance is an immense loss for the nation, and there is no evidence or excuse to be found in the actions of the kuffaar who have lost the ties of kinship and friendship and are therefore forced to resort to insurance, which they hate as much as they hate death.

    These are only some of the violations of sharee’ah which insurance is essentially based upon. There are numerous other violations which we do not have room to mention here, and there is no need to do so, because just one of the violations which we have mentioned above is sufficient to make insurance one of the things which is most prohibited in the sharee’ah of Allaah. 

    It is a shame that some people are deceived by the ways in which the insurance companies make insurance attractive  and confuse them by calling it “co-operative” or “mutual support”  or “Islamic”, or other names which do not change the unjust nature of insurance in the slightest. 

    The insurance companies’ claim that the ‘ulamaa’ have issued fatwaas stating that so-called “co-operative insurance” is halaal, is a lie. The reason for this confusion is that some insurance companies approached the ‘ulamaa’ with a deceitful set-up which has nothing to do with any kind of insurance, but they said that it was a kind of insurance which they called “co-operative insurance” (to make it sound attractive and to confuse the people). They said that it was purely in the nature of a donation, and that it was a kind of the co-operation enjoined by Allaah in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “Help you one another in Al-Birr and At-Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety)…” (al-Maa’idah 5:2), and that the aim was to co-operate in alleviating the overwhelming disasters that may befall people. But in fact what they called co-operative insurance was just like any other kind of insurance; the only difference was in the way in which it was set up, not in its essential nature. It was far from being any kind of simple donation or co-operation in righteousness and piety; in fact it is a kind of co-operation in sin and transgression. It was not aimed at helping to relieve the distress of calamities, but at depriving people of their wealth by unjust means, which is absolutely haraam, as are other kinds of insurance. Hence what they proposed to the ‘ulamaa’ is not even insurance at all.

    With regard to the claim made by some, that part of the premium (money paid to the insurer) is returned, this does not change anything and does not free insurance from the taint of ribaa, gambling, transactions based on uncertainty, unjust consumption of people’s wealth and going against the principle of trusting in Allaah (tawakkul), and other kinds of haraam actions. Insurance is deceit and confusion.

    3- Banking

    Riba is emphatically forbidden in Islam. Allaah has condemned the one who does that and has declared war on him, and spoken of his bad end on the Day of Resurrection. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Those who eat Ribaa will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaytaan (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: ‘Trading is only like Ribaa,’ whereas Allaah has permitted trading and forbidden Ribaa. So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Ribaa, shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allaah (to judge); but whoever returns (to Ribaa), such are the dwellers of the Fire — they will abide therein.

    Allaah will destroy Ribaa and will give increase for Sadaqaat (deeds of charity, alms). And Allaah likes not the disbelievers, sinners”

    [al-Baqarah 2:275, 276]

    “O you who believe! Fear Allaah and give up what remains (due to you) from Ribaa (from now onward) if you are (really) believers.

    And if you do not do it, then take a notice of war from Allaah and His Messenger but if you repent, you shall have your capital sums. Deal not unjustly (by asking more than your capital sums), and you shall not be dealt with unjustly (by receiving less than your capital sums)”

    [al-Baraqah 2:278, 279]

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who consumes riba, the one who pays it, the one who writes it down and the two who witness it, and he said, “They are all the same.” Narrated by Muslim, from the hadeeth of Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him).

    And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A dirham of riba consumed knowingly by a man is worse before Allaah than committing zina thirty-six times.” Narrated by Ahmad and al-Tabaraani, classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’.

    And there are other texts which point to the enormity and abhorrent nature of this crime. 

    The Islamic financial system does not approve of any transaction that includes riba, rather the sharee’ah forbids certain transactions so as to prevent the means that lead to riba.

    Secondly:

    The banks that exist nowadays are all riba based banks, with a few rare exceptions. Just because a bank is located in a Muslim country does not mean that it is an Islamic bank. Most of these banks are connected to Jewish and Crusader banks overseas. It is most regrettable that in the Muslim lands which are home to more than a billion Muslims there is no Islamic bank that is free from riba, apart from a few institutions.

    So the decision makers among the Muslims have to pay due attention to this matter and establish an independent Islamic banking system. There are scholars and people who are able to work in this field, and there is a great deal of capital, praise be to Allaah.

    Thirdly:

    The true Islamic financial system is a system that is free of riba, because it is a system that is derived from the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    4- Adult Franchise and Voting Power:

    Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is.

    Undoubtedly the democratic system is one of the modern forms of shirk, in terms of obedience and following, or legislation, as it denies the sovereignty of the Creator and His absolute right to issue laws, and ascribes that right to human beings. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) — you and your fathers — for which Allaah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allaah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism); that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not” [Yoosuf 12:40]

    “The decision is only for Allaah” [al-An’aam 6:57]

    Secondly:

    The one who understands the true nature of the democratic system and the ruling thereon, then he nominates himself or someone else (for election) is approving of this system, and is working with it, is in grave danger, because the democratic system is contrary to Islam and approving of it and participating in it are actions that imply apostasy and being beyond the pale of Islam.

    It is not permissible for a Muslim to nominate himself in the hope that he can become part of a system which rules according to something other than that which Allaah has revealed and operates according to something other than the sharee’ah of Islam. It is not permissible for a Muslim to vote for him or for anyone else who will work in that government, unless the one who nominates himself or those who vote for him hope that by getting involved in that they will be able to change the system to one that operates according to the sharee’ah of Islam, and they are using this as a means to overcome the system of government, provided that the one who nominates himself will not accept any position after being elected except one that does not go against Islamic sharee’ah. 

    The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah. As for supporting one who calls for non-implementation of Islamic sharee’ah, that is not permissible, rather it may lead a person to kufr, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And so judge (you O Muhammad ) among them by what Allaah has revealed and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad)  far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you. And if they turn away, then know that Allaah’s Will is to punish them for some sins of theirs. And truly, most of men are Faasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to Allaah).

    Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith” [al-Maa'idah 5:49-50].

    Hence when Allaah stated that those who do not rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah are guilty of kufr, He warned against helping them or taking them as allies or  close  friends, and He commanded the believers to fear Him if they were truly believers. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O you who believe! Take not as Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers) those who take your religion as a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before you, and nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allaah if you indeed are true believers” [al-Maa’idah 5:57]

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • 1 - WHY MUGHAL JUST BECAUSE HIS BOOK CHALLENGED THE DESPOTIC REGIME OF THE PIRATES AND GOONS SAUD AND ABDEL AZIZ FAMILY WHO HAVE USURPED HIJAZ.  YOU KNOW THEIR HISTORY, THEY WERE ROOBERS AND THIEVES LIKE ALL THE WAHABIS. [Faraz]

    2 - I AM  ALSO AMAZED THAT YOU  CAN CALL MAUDOODI WHO WAS ONCE THE CYNOSURE OF THE  ILLEGITIMATE SAUDI REGIME A SHAITAN, [Faraz]

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    Dear Mr Faraz,

    Which statement of yours is correct about Mawdudi, the one which is praising him or the one which is castigating him???

    By the way the Mawdudi which you praise as the Challenger to the Saudi regime of Aal-e-Saud, had received King Faisal Medal, which was awarded him by Saudi Arabia, I wonder where was Mawdudi's Philosophy of Dictatorship, Caliphate and Monrachy when he was receiving the said Award while he himself had condemned [as per him] the [Caliphate of Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Ameer Muawiyah - May Allah be pleased with both of them].

    I still ask you to provide the Quranic Text and Hadith which has condemned the Monarchs and Kings.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • AMIR MUGHAL

    YOU ARE SUCH A FUNNY MAN ONE CAN ONLY LAUGH AT YOU.  WERE YOU EVER IN THE TAX DEPARTMENT BECUASE THE ONLY THING YOU EXCEL IS BY TAXING THE MIND OF OTHER WITH YOUR LONG ILLOGICAL AND OFTEN CONCOCTED POSTS.   BREVITY IS THE SOUL OF WIT.

      I AM AMZED WITH YOUR ILLOGICAL LOGICS. AND EQUALLY AMAZED AT YOU CALLING MAUALANA MAUDOODI SHAITAN.  WHY MUGHAL JUST BECAUSE HIS BOOK CHALLENGED THE DESPOTIC REGIME OF THE PIRATES AND GOONS SAUD AND ABDEL AZIZ FAMILY WHO HAVE USURPED HIJAZ.  YOU KNOW THEIR HISTORY, THEY WERE ROOBERS AND THIEVES LIKE ALL THE WAHABIS.

    I AM  ALSO AMAZED THAT YOU  CAN CALL MAUDOODI WHO WAS ONCE THE CYNOSURE OF THE  ILLEGITIMATE SAUDI REGIME A SHAITAN, BUT YOUR LEG SHAKES AND YOUR TONGUE CRANKS IN CALLING THE CURSED YAZEED AS THE BIGGEST SHAITAN OF ALL TIMES.  WHY MUGHAL.  ISNT IT THE BIGGEST HYPOCRISY OF ALL TIMES THAT YOU CONDEMN MAUDOODI BECUASE OF YOUR  PERFIDIOUS SAUDI LINKAGE BUT YOU TREMBLE TO CALL YAZEED WHO ASSASINATED THE FAMILY OF OUR HOLY PROPHET.  SHAME ON YOU 

    By FARAZ AHAMD HAQ -



  • Bashir Syed

     
    then please read “THE ISRAELI SECRET SERVICE, by Richard Deacon, published by Taplinger Publishing Company, New York 1980 (ISBN 0-8008-4267), in which Chapter 9, Yuval’s Ne’eman’s Technological Revolution – pages 118-130, and he was an ardent enemy of Pakistan. Bashir A. Syed Retired Aerospace Physicist 

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    Agreed but what's this?

    Late Maj Gen Abu Bakar Osman Mitha’s [Founder of Pakistan SSG Commando Services] posthumously published autobiography, Unlikely Beginnings:

    "QUOTE"

    According to Gen Mitha, it was Gul Hasan who saved Brig Zia-ul-Haq, as he then was, from being sacked. Zia was in Jordan. The year was 1971. Gen Yahya received a signal from Maj Gen Nawazish, the head of the Pakistan military mission in Amman, asking that Zia be court-martialled for disobeying GHQ orders by commanding a Jordanian armour division against the Palestinians in which thousands were slaughtered. That ignominious event is known as Operation Black September. It was Gul Hasan who interceded for Zia and had Yahya let him off. Mitha was treated very badly. His Hilal-i-Jurat was withdrawn in February 1972, something that also appears to have been Gul Hasan’s handiwork.

    "UNQUOTE"

    The most promising comparison between the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the Jewish State of Israel came from Gen. Zia ul-Haq. Lacking a political constituency, he skillfully exploited Islam to legitimize and consolidate his military dictatorship. Presenting himself as a simple, pious and devoted Muslim, he institutionalized religious radicalism in Pakistan. In so doing, he found Israel to be his strange ally.

    Toward the end of 1981, he remarked: Pakistan is like Israel, an ideological state. Take out the Judaism from Israel and it will fall like a house of cards. Take Islam out of Pakistan and make it a secular state; it would collapse. He likewise surprised many observers in March 1986, when he called on the PLO to recognize the Jewish state. As discussed elsewhere, he was actively involved both in the 1970 Black September massacre of the Palestinians in Jordan as well as in Egypts re-entry into the Islamic fold more than a decade later. From 1967 to 1970 our Commander of the Faithful Late. General Muhammad Ziaul Haq was in Jordan in Official Militray Capacity and he helped late. King Hussain of Jordan in cleansing the so-called Palestinian Insurgents, Zia and Hussain butchered many innocent Palestinians in the name of Operation against Black September {a militant organization of Palestinians}. The intensity of bloodletting by Zia ul Haq and King Hussain was such that one of the founder father of Israel Moshe Dayan said:

    King Hussein (with help from Zia-ul-Haq of the Pakistani army) sent in his Bedouin army on 27 September to clear out the Palestinian bases in Jordan. A massacre of innumerable proportions ensued. Moshe Dayan noted that Hussein "killed more Palestinians in eleven days than Israel could kill in twenty years." Dayan is right in spirit, but it is hardly the case that anyone can tch the Sharonism in its brutality.

    Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile during the so-called Afghan Jihad following things did happen;

    He told Zia about his experience the previous year when the Israelis had shown him the vast stores of Soviet weapons they had captured from the PLO in Lebanon. The weapons were perfect for the Mujahideen, he told Zia. If Wilson could convince the CIA to buy them, would Zia have any problems passing them on to the Afghans? Zia, ever the pragmatist, smiled on the proposal, adding, Just don’t put any Stars of David on the boxes {Page 131-132}.

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Mughal, monarchy is alien to Islam and yet you follow Saudis more than Islam. [Faraz]

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    Dear Mr Faraz,

    Reference please. Where it is made Forbidden? Is Monarchy forbidden in Quran or in Hadith? Please give the reference. Please dont quote Shaitan Mawdudi's Khilafat O Malookiyat [Caliphate and King]

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  Ye Hum sab sunni aur shia muslim jante hain.Allah hamen rasool aur ale rasool ki mohaabat ke wasile se jannat main pahoonchayega. Amin [Syeda]

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    {Translation of Ms Syeda's Declaration: Muslims would attain slavation only through loving Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and his household Ahl Al Bayt [May Allah be pleased with them]}

    Dear Ms Syeda,

    You are absolutely and thoroughly WRONG. Criteria for Salvation is as under:

    “O you who believe! Obey Allâh, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad) and render not vain your deeds.”  (47:33)

     

    From the above divine injunction, the criteria for personality development must be based on the Qur’ân and the Sunnah. Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.), Allâh's Messenger to the whole humanity,  possesses an exalted standard of character (i.e., sublime morals) (Qur’ân 68:4) and is an excellent example for us to follow. 

     

    Allâh the Almighty  tells us that  His Messenger (s.a.w) is the best model for us to follow.  He says:

     

     “Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad ) you have an excellent example to follow for him who hopes in (meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day, and remembers Allâh much.   (33:21)

     

    In an authentic Hâdîth we read that the Prophet (s.a.w.) himself said:

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said,  “I have been sent (as a Messenger) in the best of all generations of Adam’s offspring since the Creation.”  (Bukhâri )

     

    Allâh the Exalted tells us:

     

    “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures); ¾   in the Torah and the Gospel; for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil.  He allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure).  He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them.  So it is those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him,¾ it is they who will prosper.”    (7: 157)

     

    He says:

     

    “But those who believe and  do  deeds  of righteousness  We shall soon admit them to Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath, ¾  to dwell therein forever.  Allâh’s promise is the truth, and whose word can be truer than Allâh’s?”   (4:122)

     

    “But those who believe and work righteousness and humble themselves before their Rabb they will be Companions of the Garden to dwell therein for aye!”  (11:23)

     

    “But whoever believes and works righteousness he shall have a goodly reward and easy will be his task as We order it by Our command."  (18:88)

     

    When Allâh, the Almighty, rewards us Paradise we attain our ultimate Goal.  That is to be able to see Allâh. The greatest bliss in Paradise is the Good Pleasure of Allâh, which is the supreme triumph (9:72).  

     

    We will be very pleased to see Allâh; and the Almighty will also be pleased with us (98:8).  Allâh, the Exalted, says:

     

    “Allâh has promised to Believers, men and women, Gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein ,and beautiful mansions in Gardens of everlasting stay.  But the greatest bliss is the Good Pleasure of Allâh.  That is the supreme triumph.”  (9:72)

     

    “The reward is with Allâh: Gardens of Eternity, beneath which, rivers flow.  They will dwell therein forever.  Allâh well pleased with them, and they with Him ¾   all this for such as fear their Rabb.”  (98:8)

     

    In addition to the above Qur’ânic Ayât, are the following Ahâdîth, which should inspire us more to spend our time wisely (and not to waste it) to developing our character for the pleasure of Allâh:

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said ,  “…The best amongst you are those who have the best manners and character.” (Bukhâri ) 

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said , “Among the Muslims the most perfect, as regards his faith, is the one whose character is excellent, and the best among you are those who treat their wives well.” (Tirmidhi )

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, “There is nothing heavier than good character put in the scale of a believer on the Day of Resurrection.” (Abu Dawud)

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, “Nothing is weightier in the scales of a believer on the Day of Judgment than his good behavior.  Allâh treats with displeasure a person who is given to loose and vulgar talk.”  (Tirmidhi)

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said,  “I guarantee a house in the surroundings of Paradise for a man who avoids quarrelling even if he were in the right; , a house in the middle of Paradise for a man who avoids lying even if he were joking;  and a house in the upper part of Paradise for a man who made his character good.”  (Abu Dawud)

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, “The best servants of Allâh are those who, when they are seen, cause Allâh to be remembered. The worst servants of Allâh are those who go about slandering, who separate friends, and seek to distress the upright."   (Tirmidhi  and Ahmad)

     

    “You are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind.  You enjoin what is right, forbid what is wrong, and believe in Allâh...”   (3:110)

     

    “The Believers, men and women, are protectors, one to another. They enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil.  They observe regular prayers, pay zakat and obey Allâh and His Messenger.  On them will Allâh pour His mercy: for Allâh is Exalted in power, Wise.”  (9:71)

     

     “Truly, Allâh will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow. They shall be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and pearls; and their garments there will be of silk. For they have been guided (in this life) to the purest of speeches; they have been guided to the Path of Him Who is Worthy of (all) Praise.” (22:23-24)

     

    Allâh the Most High tells us:

     

    “Say: "If you do love Allâh follow me: Allâh will love you and forgive you your sins for Allâh is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful."  (3:31)

     

    The Most High says:

     

    Say (O Muhammad): “This is my Way; I do invite unto Allâh with a certain knowledge.  And whoever follows me (must also invite others to Allâh, Oneness of Allâh with sure knowledge). Glory to Allâh!  And I am not of the polytheists.”  (12: 108)

     

    1. The ideal Muslims firmly believe (without any element of doubt) and assert that there is no God (worthy to be worshipped) but Allâh  and that Muhammad (r.a.)  is the Messenger of Allâh:

     

    “That is Allâh your Rabb (Only God, Cherisher and Sustainer)!  There is no god but He, the Creator of all things; then you worship Him: and He has power to dispose of all affairs.  No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision; He is Subtle well-aware.”  (6:102-103).

     

    “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allâh, and the Seal of the Prophets.  And Allâh has full knowledge of all things.” (33:40)

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said. The luckiest person who will have my intercession on the Day of Resurrection will be one who said sincerely from (the bottom of) his heart, ‘Lâ ilaha illa Allâh.’ (‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allâh.’).”  (Bukhâri)

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, “I bear testimony that there is no god but Allâh and I am the Messenger of Allâh. The man who meets his Rabb without harboring any doubt about these two (truths) will never be kept away from Paradise.”  (Muslim)

     

    2.  The ideal Muslims know the reasons why Allâh the Most High has created them and sincerely perform their purpose in life with devotion:

     

    “I have created not the jinn and men except that they should worship Me (Alone). I seek not any provision from them nor do I ask that they should feed Me. Verily, Allâh is the All-Provider, Owner of Power, Most Strong.”  (51:56-58)

     

    “So glorify the praises of your Rabb and be of those who prostrate themselves (to Him).  And worship your Rabb (Sustainer) until there comes unto you the Hour that is certain (i.e., death).”    (15:98-99)

     

    “And they have been commanded no more than this: to worship Allâh, offering Him sincere devotion, being True  (in Faith); establish regular prayer; and to give Zakat. And that is the Religion Right and Straight.”  (98:5)

     

    3. They aspire and work to attain ultimate success in the eternal world through belief and righteousness by worshipping no one but Allâh   Alone.  They humble themselves to Him Who is the True Rabb of the world and refrain from associating any partner with Him, fearing to commit the most heinous sin (i.e., Shirk) : 

     

    “O mankind!  Worship your Guardian Rabb, Who created you and those who came before you that you may become righteous.”  (2:21)

     

    “But those who believe and work righteousness and humble themselves before their Rabb they will be Companions of the Garden to dwell therein for aye!”  (11:23)

     

    “Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgives anything else, to whom He pleases; to set up partners with Allâh is to devise a sin most heinous indeed.”    (4:48)

     

    4.  Their ultimate Goal in the end is towards Allâh (5:17-18 and 6:164) so they worship Allâh  sincerely and properly the way Prophet Muhammad   prayed because they believe that without proper prayers they cannot be considered Muslims:

     

    “Successful indeed are the believers, ¾  those who humble themselves in their prayers... and who (strictly) guard their prayers. These will be the heirs, who will inherit Paradise. They will dwell therein forever.” (23:9-11)

     

    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said:  “The covenant that is between us and them is (on the basis of) prayer, so he who (abandons it, in fact shows) infidelity (to Allâh). “     (Tirmidhi, Ahmad, Nasa'i and Ibn Majah)

     

    5. They offer their prayers regularly and on time and frequently supplicate to Allâh I knowing that  supplication is a form of prayer:

     

    ‘Abdullâh bin Mas‘ûd  narrated: “I asked the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)  , “Which deed is dearest to Allâh?” He replied, “To offer the Salât (prayers) at their early fixed times.” I asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To be good and dutiful to your parents.” I again asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To participate in Jihâd (religious fighting) in Allâh’s cause.” (Bukhâri)

     

    Abu Qatada ibn Rab’I  narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said: “Allâh , the Exalted said: I made five times' prayers obligatory on your people, and I took a guarantee that if anyone observes them regularly at their times, I shall admit him to Paradise; if anyone does not offer them regularly, there is no such guarantee of Mine for him.” (Abu Dawud)

     

    An Nu`man bin Bashir narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said: “Supplication (du'a) is itself the worship. (He then recited:) ‘And your Rabb said: Call on Me, I will answer you’ (11:60).”   (Abu Dawud)

     

    6.  They not only try to be mere good Muslims (those who perform the five pillars of Islâm ) or Mu`minon (Faithful Muslims,  those who believe in the six articles of faith);  but also to be Mu`hsinoon or Muttaqon (God-conscious, God-fearing Muslims who are righteous,  pious and restrain  as well as guard themselves from evil). They take guidance from the following authentic Hadith:

     

    Abu Huraira  narrated that one day while the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allâh's Messenger (s.a.w.)  replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allâh, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Messengers, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islâm ?" Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said, "To worship Allâh Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan."  Then he further asked, "What is Ihsan (perfection)?" Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) replied, “To worship Allâh as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you.”  … Then that man (Gabriel) left and the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) asked his companions to call him back, but they could not see him. Then the Prophet   said, "That was Gabriel who came to teach the people their religion." Abu 'Abdullah said: He (the Prophet) considered all that as a part of faith.  (Bukhâri, and Muslim1)

     

    7.  They do righteous deeds with ikhlas (sincerity) or purely for the sole pleasure of Allâh  and not for fame and honor in the eyes of the people. They dedicate their prayers, sacrifices, lives and death solely for Allâh, the Almighty in order to achieve His rewards:

     

    "So, call you (O Muhammad and the believers) upon (or invoke) Allâh making (your) worship pure for Him (Alone) (by worshipping none but Him and by doing religious deeds sincerely for Allâh's sake only and not to show off and not to set up rivals with Him in worship).”   (39:14  and 40:14).

     

    “Say: Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death are (all) for Allâh, the Cherisher of the Worlds.”  (6:162)

     

    Umar bin Al-Khattab  narrated, “I heard Allâh's Messenger (s.a.w.)  saying, The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended....’"  (Bukhâri and Muslim)

     

    8.  They are grateful to Allâh by devoting much time to prayers:

     

    “And remember!  Your Rabb caused to be declared (publicly): `If you are grateful, I will add more (favors) unto you; but if you show ingratitude, truly My punishment is terrible indeed.’”   (14:7)

     

    “...And if any is grateful, truly his gratitude is (a gain) for his own soul; but if any is ungrateful, truly my Rabb is free of all needs, Supreme in Honor!”   (27:40)

     

    Al-Mughira Bin Shu`ba  narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) used to pray so much that his feet used to become inflated or swollen.  And when he was asked why, he would say: “Shall I not be a thankful slave (to Allâh)?”   (Bukhâri)

     

    9.  They show their love and devotion to Allâh  by: being obedient to Him and following His Messenger (s.a.w.) , being true believers and doing deeds of righteousness based on the Qur’ân and the Sunnah:

     

    “Say: ‘If you do love Allâh follow me: Allâh will love you and forgive you your sins for Allâh is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.’”   (3:31)

     

    “O you who believe! Obey Allâh, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad) and render not vain your deeds.”  (47:33)

     

     “On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness will (Allâh) Most Gracious bestow Love.”  (19:96)

     

    It was narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said: “All my followers will enter Paradise except those who refuse” They said, “O Allâh’s Messenger!  Who will refuse?” He said, “Whoever obeys me will enter Paradise, and whoever disobeys me is the one who refuses (to enter it).”  (Bukhâri)

     

    10.  They stick to the Qur’ân and the Sunnah and avoid Bid’ah (innovation in religion):

     

    ‘Aishah narrated that Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said, “Whoso introduces any thing new to this affairs of ours (i.e., religion) which does not form a part of it, it is invalid.”  (Bukhâri  and Ibn Mâjah)

     

    Jabir ibn Abdullah narrated that Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said,  “The best speech is that embodied in the Book of Allâh, and the best guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. The most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is an error.”     (Muslim)

     

    11. They perform not only the five obligatory prayers but also the optional or Sunnah prayers especially the Tahajjud (midnight) prayers in order to earn Allâh’s love.  They know and believe that by earning Allâh’s love they would attain success:

     

    Abu Hurairah narrated: Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said, “Allâh (Mighty and sublime be He) said: `Whosoever shows enmity to someone devoted to Me, I shall be at war with him. My servant draws not near to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties I have enjoined upon him, and My servant continues to draw near to Me with supererogatory works so that I shall love him. When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask (something) of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it. I do not hesitate about anything as much as I hesitate about [seizing] the soul of my faithful servant: he hates death and I hate hurting him.’”   (Bukhari)

     

    Abu Hurairah  narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said, “If Allâh loves a person, He calls Gabriel saying, 'Allâh loves so and-so; O Gabriel! Love him.' Gabriel would love him and make an announcement amongst the inhabitants of the Heaven. 'Allâh loves so-and-so, therefore you should love him also,' and so all the inhabitants of the Heaven would love him, and then he is granted the pleasure of the people on the earth."   (Bukhâri,     Muslim and Tirmidhi)

     

    Abu Hurairah  narrated Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said:  “Our Rabb, the Blessed, the Superior, comes down every night to the nearest heaven to us during the last third of the night.  Then, He says: `(Is there anyone) who invokes Me, (demands anything from Me) so that I respond to his invocation? (Is there anyone) who asks Me for something so that I may grant him his request? (Is there anyone) who seeks My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?’”   (Bukhari)

     

    12. They remember Allâh  much not only by praying but also by making supplications and invocations to Him, reciting the Qur’ân for His pleasure, and by frequently praising Him.  They are inspired with the following Qur’ânic injunctions and authentic Ahâdîth: 

     

    “Then do you remember Me, I will remember you.  Be grateful to Me and reject not faith.”  (2:152)

     

    “Verily, I am Allâh: There is no god but I: so serve Me (only), and establish regular prayer for My remembrance.”   (20:14)

     

    “Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to you, and establish regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and evil deeds;  and remembrance of Allâh is the greatest (thing in life)  without doubt.  And Allâh knows the (deeds) that you do.”    (29:45)

     

    “By no means (should it be so)! For it (Qur’ân) is indeed a Message of remembrance. Therefore, let who so will, keep it in remembrance. It is in Books held (greatly) in honor, exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy.” (80:11-14)

     

     “O you who believe!  Let not your riches or your children divert you from the remembrance of Allâh.  If any act thus, surely they are the losers.”  (63:9)

     

    Abu Musa narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said, “The example of the one who celebrates the Praises of his Rabb (Allâh) in comparison to the one who does not celebrate the Praises of his Rabb, is that of a living creature compared to a dead one.”   (Bukhâri)

     

    Abu Huraira  narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said , “Allâh will give shade to seven (types of people) under His Shade (on the Day of Resurrection).  One of them will be a person who remembers Allâh and his eyes are then flooded with tears.”   (Bukhâri)

     

    Abu Hurairah  reported Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) as saying that “Allâh, the Exalted and Glorious, says: `I am near to the thought of My servant as he thinks about Me, and I am with him as he remembers Me.  And if he remembers Me in his heart, I also remember him in My Heart.  And if he remembers Me in assembly I remember him in assembly, better than his (remembrance).  And if he draws near Me by the span of a palm, I draw near him by the cubit, and if he draws near Me by the cubit I draw near him by the space (covered by) two hands.  And if he walks towards Me, I rush towards him.’”   (Muslim)  

     

    13. They put their trust in Allâh.  Whatever problems or trials they encounter they show patience and are optimistic that Allâh  will help them or at least reward them for their trust, patience and endurance:

     

    “... Then when you have taken a decision put your trust in Allâh.  For Allâh loves those who put their trust (in Him).  If Allâh helps you, none can overcome you.  If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you?  In Allâh, then, let Believers put their trust.” (3: 159-160)

     

     “And He provides for him from (sources) he never could expect.  And if any one puts his trust in Allâh, sufficient is (Allâh) for him.  For Allâh will surely accomplish His purpose.  Verily, for all things has Allâh appointed a due proportion.”  (65:3)

     

    Said Bin Waqas narrated that Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH)  said, "It is a fine thing when a believer praises and thanks Allâh if good comes to him, and praises Allâh and shows endurance if smitten by affliction. The believer is rewarded for everything, even for the morsel he raises to his wife's mouth."    (Tirmidhi)

     

    14. They frequently and sincerely repent to Allâh  to seek His forgiveness and rewards:

     

    “And whoever repents and does good has truly turned to Allâh with an (acceptable) conversion.”  (25:71)

     

    “O you who believe!    Turn to Allâh with sincere repentance: in the  hope that your Rabb will remove from you your evil deeds and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow ¾   the Day that Allâh will not permit to be humiliated the  Prophet  and  those   who  believe   with him.  Their light will run forward before them and by their right hands, while they say, `Our Rabb!   Perfect our Light for us, and grant us Forgiveness: for You have power over all things.’”   (66:8)

     

    Al Agharr Al Muzani  narrated that Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said, “There is (at times) some sort of shade upon my heart, and I seek forgiveness from Allâh a hundred times a day.”    (Muslim)

     

    15.  They  sincerely do Jihâd (strive hard for the cause of Allâh the Almighty):

     

    “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allâh, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil; so fight against the friends of Satan.  Feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.”  (4:76)

     

    Not equal are those believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allâh with their goods and their person.  Allâh has granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home).  Unto all (in Faith) has Allâh promised good.  But those who strive and fight has He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a great reward.  Ranks especially bestowed by Him and forgiveness and Mercy.  For Allâh is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.  (4:95-96)

     

    “Those who believe, and emigrate and strive with might and main, in Allâh’s cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allâh.  They are the people who will achieve salvation.”  (9:20)

     

    O you who believe!  Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Chastisement?  That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger and that you strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allâh, with your wealth and your persons: that will be best for you, if you but knew!  He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to the Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the supreme Triumph.   (61:10-12)

     

    Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri narrated that somebody asked, Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH)!  Who is the best among the people?  Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) replied: “A believer who strives his utmost in Allâh’s Cause with his life and property...”  (Bukhâri)

     

    16. They do virtuous deeds that are pleasing to Allâh  to earn his forgiveness and great reward:

     

    “For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women for devout men and women for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allâh’s remembrance for them:  has Allâh prepared forgiveness and great reward.”  (33:35)

     

    17. They follow no other way but Allâh’s Way.  They believe and follow the whole of the Qur’ân and the Sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w.).  They enter into Islâm  wholeheartedly and aspire to live and die in the state of Islâm :

     

    “Verily this is My Way leading straight: follow it, follow not (other) paths.  They will scatter you about from His (great) path.  Thus does He command you so that you may be righteous.”  (6:153)

     

    “Then, We put you on the (right) Way of Religion, so follow you that (Way), and follow not the desires of those who know not. They will be of no use to you in the sight of Allâh. It is only wrong doers (that stand as) protectors, one to another. But Allâh is the Protector of the Righteous. These are clear evidences to men, and a Guidance and Mercy to those of assured Faith.” (45:18-20)

     

    “Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best of it, those are the ones who Allâh has guided, and those are the ones endued with understanding.” (39:18)

     

    “O you who believe! Enter into Islâm wholeheartedly; and follow not the footsteps of Satan, for he is to you an avowed enemy.” (2:208)

     

    “O you who believe! Fear Allâh as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islâm...that you may be guided.” (3:102-103)

     

    Anas Ibn Malik narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said, “Whoever possesses the following three qualities will taste the sweetness of faith: 1. The one to whom Allâh and His Messenger become dearer than anything else;  2. Who loves a person and he loves him only for Allâh’s sake; 3. Who hates to revert to disbelief (atheism) after Allâh has brought (saved) him out from it, as he hates to be thrown in fire."  (Bukhâri)

     

    Abbas Ibn Abdul Muttalib  narrated that Abbas  heard the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) as saying, He relished the flavor of faith (Iman) who became pleased with Allâh as Rabb, with al- Islâm as the code of life and with Muhammad as the Messenger of Allâh.”   (Muslim)

     

    Jâbir ibn ‘Abdullâh narrated that the Prophet Mohammad  (PBUH) said, “...I have left among you the Book of Allâh, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray...” (Muslim)

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Kind Attn:  SHAGUFTA alias Sultan Shahin

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    Dear Mrs. Syeda Kaneez Fatima Rizvi, Aadaab                                                      shahgufta

     

    Were you a bull-fighter in one of your previous lifetimes, in Islamic Spain, maybe? The only thing that seems to interest you is a bull-fight. (Are your daughters laughing?) Mr. Sultan Shahin asked you a straight question. Please reply to that and enlighten us as all instead of beating about the bush as you did in the last post. We are all waiting. I am posting his questions below in case you have genuinely forgotten them in your preoccupation with evoking laughter to keep your daughters happy.

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    Anyway, please tell me if I have understood you correctly. It seems your point is that while these Quranic verses asking us to kill the kafirs wherever we find them are not applicable to us today but may become applicable some day in future, if such a situation as the one obtaining in Medina in the time of Prophet arose. If that is the case let us come out in the open and say so clearly, loudly and repeatedly that in the present time there is no reason for Osama bin Ladens and other Wahhabis to propagate the view that we Muslims have Quranic sanction for killing all non-Muslims as well as non-Wahhabi Muslims. Let us not mince words and let us not go about it in a round about way.

     

    This is no time for prevarication or using circumlocutions. We are at war. Parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan have already come under the control of Saudi-ised Taliban. The radicalisation of moderate mainstream Muslim societies like Indonesia and Malaysia is afoot. Even in India, where a mystical Islam reigned until recently, Saudis have bought large number of Mullahs and they are spreading a very intolerant version of Islam. As I keep saying we have no time to lose. I would appreciate from you a clarification of your views in the matter. You don’t have to be a Maulani to do that. This very institution of Maulanas is against the precepts of Islam and at the very least it is an innovation that we do not need to care much for. There is nothing between us and Allah except the Holy Quran and those Ahadees that we consider possibly valid and authentic." -- Sultan Shahin

    Shagufta

    P.S. I liked your shagoofa bit, by the way. Coming up with new shagoofas is one way of staying shagufta. Won't you agree?

     

    But in this case, I am truly concerned and worried that even old ladies like you will not take these issues seriously enough to engage in a sombre and consistent conversation on the subject at a time when Muslims the world over are despised for these verses in the Quran. Do we have to abide by them even today as Osama bin Laden asks us to?  Is Jihad really the sixth pillar of Islam? What is wrong with us Muslims really? Is this the problem with our scripture or our own inability to see it valid only for the illiterate Bedouins of the Arab world in those days? Arabs themselves seem to be giving up on Islam, if hey were ever Muslims in the first place. Any people who could watch Imam Hussein RA being killed along with his family in the most brutal manner and then accept the killer as their khalifa/King could be anything but Muslim. They accepted Yazeed Lanati in the same way as they have embraced America and Israel today. And they say Shiiaan-e-Ali are out of Islam! What gall!

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    Shagufta /Pervez /Sultan Shaheen / Shamshad Elahi Ansari  the list of avatars is endless….

     

    Don’t you guys / gals think, that it is too much of a ‘Khichdi’ now,   the Ring master  did not pay heed to my earlier request about not trying to  feign anything …played the English teacher and unwittingly,  ridiculed himself , then assumed  the role of a concerned  Muslim with all the pain in his chest for the Umah,  again he got exposed, though refused to accept, as his enormous ego did not permit , in the course of the debate his sexists side was blatantly exposed,  again he desperately  tried to cover up, but failed utterly. What is the point when the ‘man himself’ concedes defeat in a debate and then bows down to his hurt ego, assumes a new avatar, repeats the same rigmarole and indulges in flag waving polemics to discuss the same rotten topics again. I think it’s high time for intellectuals and ordinary right thinking Muslims like myself to exit the non existent debate and the site it self. I take your leave with a good advice for the man of the house. Now if this happens with clear sign of repentance, I might change my opinion about the Mezbaan of the site and decide to remain and continue to enlighten with whatever little I know …..Till then, dive as deep as you can in your pool of religious ignorance.

     

    Nb …Wasails and Rasuk becomes useless when the curse of the Almighty comes. I am one God fearing being Alhamdollillah….and intend to remain this way. 

    By On behalf of Mrs Kaneez fatima -



  • But I would like to say that Ahulul Bayt means people of the Prophet household and that includes Fatima, Ali,  Hasan, and Husain besides the Holy Prophet SAW. [Faraz Ahmed Haq]

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    Nobody is denying that Fatima, Ali, Hasan, Hussein, Umm-e-Kulthum [w/o Hazrat Omar - May Allah be pleased with all of them] were not Ahl Al Bayt because it is narrated in Correct and Verified Hadith narrated by Hazrat Ayesha [May Allah be pleased with her]:

     

    English Translation:

    'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one norning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped hitn under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying) [Sahih Muslim]

    Ahl Al Bayt are as under and

     

    My humble faith on [AL-AHZAB (THE CLANS, THE COALITION,THE COMBINED FORCES) Chapter 33 - Verse 33 and Ahl Al Bayt as under and I am not forcing you to accpet and embrace it.


    Waqarna fee buyootikunna wala tabarrajna tabarruja aljahiliyyati aloola waaqimna alssalata waateena alzzakata waatiAAna Allaha warasoolahu innama yureedu Allahu liyuthhiba AAankumu alrrijsa ahla albayti wayutahhirakum tatheeran

    Interpretation of the Meaning:

    And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. [AL-AHZAB (THE CLANS, THE COALITION,THE COMBINED FORCES) Chapter 33 - Verse 33]

    Sahih Muslim narrated that It was narrated by ‘Aisha ( May Allah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam once went out in the morning suspending a cloth over his hair; When he saw Al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali appearing, he hid it ,then came Hussein and entered with him.When ‘Ali and his spouse Fatima came, he hid it and said:

    “ And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the family, and to make you pure and spotless.” Quran 33 : 33

    The Shi’ite adherents claim that all members of the household of the Prophet and their posterity are infallible. And thus, it is a must to obey them.; For they deserve to be Imams. They do support their claim categorically with the above mentioned Qur’anic verse and the Prophetic Tradition. How true is their claim?

    Indeed the purification verse was revealed in favor of the Prophet’s wives, as God Almighty stated in the Holy Qur’an and we would have to quote the complete context and background from the Verse number 32 and we would have to quote Verse 34 not only 33:33
    Ya nisaa alnnabiyyi lastunna kaahadin mina alnnisai ini ittaqaytunna fala takhdaAAna bialqawli fayatmaAAa allathee fee qalbihi maradun waqulna qawlan maAAroofan

    O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech. 
    Waqarna fee buyootikunna wala tabarrajna tabarruja aljahiliyyati aloola waaqimna alssalata waateena alzzakata waatiAAna Allaha warasoolahu innama yureedu Allahu liyuthhiba AAankumu alrrijsa ahla albayti wayutahhirakum tatheeran

    And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing.

    Waothkurna ma yutla fee buyootikunna min ayati Allahi waalhikmati inna Allaha kana lateefan khabeeran

    And bear in mind that which is recited in your houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom. Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware.

    [[AL-AHZAB (THE CLANS, THE COALITION,THE COMBINED FORCES) Chapter 33 - Verse 32, 33, and 34]

    So, whoever ponders these verses with a clear and objective mind, without prejudice will come to a conclusion that they were revealed exclusively in favor of the Prophet’s Consorts. Moreover, if one fathoms the verse: “ Stay quietly in your house…… will find out that, it is only one verse and the Messenger’s wives are the only ones addressed therein.
    This might lead us to quesion ourselves: If the verse addressed only the wives of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam, why didn’t it contain a feminine pronoun of (Meem) instead of using an article implying plural of men? It should be clear that the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam was the head of his household. So, in order to include him, it was incumbent to use the article “ Meem” that denotes talking about a group of men. For he was a man and a leader of his household. For more explanation of this, we should refer to the verse wherein Allah talks about Prophet Ibraahim (Pbuh).
    They said: Wonderest thou at the commandment of Allah? The mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, O people of the house! Lo! He is Owner of Praise, Owner of Glory! [HUD (HUD) Chapter 11 - Verse 73]

    Since Abraham was also included in his family, the Holy Qur’an addressed his wife using musculine plural of men with the article ”Meem” as it is customary in the Arabic grammar. For the plural of men is applied even though there is only one man in the group of females according to the classical Arabic. Moreover, in Arabic, a wife is addressed as ”Ahl”, which also means ” People” as revealed in the verse wherein Allah almighty was talking about Prophet Moses salahu alihi wasallam.
    Then, when Moses had fulfilled the term, and was travelling with his housefolk, he saw in the distance a fire and said unto his housefolk: Bide ye (here). Lo! I see in the distance a fire; peradventure I shall bring you tidings thence, or a brand from the fire that ye may warm yourselves. [AL-QASAS (THE STORY, STORIES) Chapter 28 - Verse 29]

    So, what do you find strange if this verse was addressed solely to the wives of the Prophet (Pbuh), though the article of musculine plural was applied ?!

    2. What proves that this verse was revealed solely for the wives of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam ,is the Prophetic Tradition itself. In this regard, Prophet Muhammad sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam prayed for his close relatives, including his in-laws and said: ( O Allah! Those are also members of my family, O Allah purify them. )

    Suppose the verse was addressed to them, confirming that Allah had purified them, why could the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam need to invoke Allah Almighty to include this kith and kin in the purification promise ?!!

    3. The household of the Messenger of Allah salahu alihi wa aalihi wasallam includes his wives, Imam Ali, Lady Fatima, the two Imams Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein, and Zaid ibn Al-Arqam who was asked about the household of the Prophet and said in the Hadith: ( His spouses are a fibre of his household ). He went further to explain that his household includes also the people who were not allowed to receive any charity namely: the relatives of Ali, the kindred of Ja’afar, the family of Aqeel, and the kinsfolk of Al-Abbas. Therefore, the concept of the Prophet’s household encompasses also Al-Abbas- the son Abdul Muttalib, the kith and kin of ‘ Aqeel bin abi Talib, and the family of Ja’afar bin Abi Talib, as stated in the Tradition (Hadith) of Zaid bin Al-Arqaam. It also includes the family of Al-Harith bin Abdul Muttalib, due to what the Messenger salahu alihi wa aalihi wasallam told Rabbea bin Al-Harith and Al-Abbas bin Abdil Muttalib: ( Verily , the family of Muhammad does not deserve any charity , for it is people’s filth ) Sahih Muslim

    Even though, we accept the infallibility of the Shi’ite Imams, we will come to a conclusion that it is not logical or Substantial for a non-prophet to be infallible whatsoever he may be.

    4. Referring to the above mentioned verse, and deducting therefrom that Allah’s purification from abomination was meant also for the in-laws and the entire kith and kin of the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam ,prompts a person to wonder and get surprised. The reason for that is self-evident and palpable for everybody.

    The aforementioned Hadeeth mentions Fatima ( the daughter of the prophet May Allah be pleased with her ) as part and percel of the people who were meant for purification among the family members of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam.

    The Imamite Shi’ah claim that Allah Almighty granted the Shi’ite Imams infalliblity because the task they were to be assigned to undertake required of them to be so. The task they were to undertake was to lead people and to apply the Divine Laws of Allah Almighty in Judging among mankind. Now the question casts itself, suppose what they claim is correct, is Lady Fatima ( May Allah be pleased with her ) a prophet or an Imam to be infallible?! Why she should be infallible if she is not a prophet or an Imam ( like how shia believe ) ?!!

    Allah Almighty bestowed the attribute of infallibility on the Prophets and Messengers because they had a task ahead of them that was to convey the message revealed to them to their respective peoples and to safeguard the supernatural message they were entrusted with by Allah Almighty.

    5. Since the purification verse was revealed in regard to the wives of the Allah’s Messenger and Allah Almighty affirmed to make them pure and spotless, the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam gathered his closest kith and kin and invoked Allah Almighty to purify them as promised his wives (Prophet’s).

    He thus said in his supplication: ( O Allah ! those are my kith and kin, remove all abomination from them and make them pure and spotless ). So after Umm Salama saw that the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam had included Ali, Fatima, Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein in the members of his household, she requested him earnestly to include her among the people he supplicated for. The Messenger of Allah informed her undoubtedly that there was no need for himto include her among his kith and kin since she was one of his wives, and the verse was revin their regard. This is a sound evidence that states categorically the fact that the verse was not revealed in regard of the Prophet’s kith and kin but rather it was addressing his wives.Had it been addressing also his kith and kin there would be no need for him to gather his daughter, son -in-law and his grandsons to invoke Allah to include them among his spouses who were promised to be purified.

    6. In the verse: ” And Allah wishes only to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the family, and to make you pure and spotless.” Allah’s statement was not to assure them that they had already been purified, but rather to stipulate a condition that if they obeyed Him, He would remove all abomination from them and thus purify them. He only wished to purify them if they met this Condition.

    If you analyze the context, you will find that Allah Almighty was giving the prophet’s wives some divine directions to do all what He commanded them and to abstain from what He forbade. He thus informed them that if they Conformed to his commands and abstained from what he forbade, He would reward them by removing all abomination from them and make them pure and stainless.

    It should be noted that God Almighty has used this pattern of speech to address our predecessors. Consider the following verse:
    Allah would not place a burden on you, but He would purify you and would perfect His grace upon you, that ye may give thanks. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 5 - Verse 6]

    Allah would explain to you and guide you by the examples of those who were before you, and would turn to you in mercy. Allah is Knower, Wise. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 26]

    Allah would make the burden light for you, for man was created weak. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 28]

    The wish of Allah expressed in the above mentioned verses comes as a condition of being loyal to His commands, to love Him and make Him pleased with you. Otherwise, without fulfilling this condition, His wish cannot come into reality, i.e the purification cannot occur.

    7. The main aim of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam in his aforementioned Hadeeth was to pray for his kith and kin to get all their abomination removed from them by Allah, and to be purified as well. This implies that he prayed for them to be among the pious believers who were purified by Allah Almighty. Hence, avoiding abomination is a must for all the believers. For Allah Almighty wishes to purify all the believers who subscribe only to Him in their acts of devotion and not only the family of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam. Although the Prophet’s kith and kin are more entitled to get the purification of Allah Almighty, the verse does not restrict Allah’s purification to them only, to be regarded as impeccable. Allah Almighty says:

    Allah would not place a burden on you, but He would purify you and would perfect His grace upon you, that ye may give thanks. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 5 - Verse 6]

    Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness. [AL-BAQARA (THE COW) Chapter 2 - Verse 222]

    So, as Allah Almighty told us of His wish to purify members of the prophet’s family, He so informed us of His wish to purify the believers as well. Therefore, if we suppose that the wish of Allah to purify the believers was meant to make them impeccable, then all sincere pious believers are infallible.

    8. The purification mentioned in the aforementioned verse was not meant to make the kith and kin of the Messenger of Allah infallible, but rather to remove all abomination and mischief from them. This style is widely used in the Holy Qur’an. We read in the Holy Qur’an:
    Take alms of their wealth, wherewith thou mayst purify them and mayst make them grow, and pray for them. Lo! thy prayer is an assuagement for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 - Verse 103]

    You will never find anybody say that the purification mentioned in the afore-mentioned verses was meant to make the Prophet’s family members infallible. We also read in the Holy Qur’an:

    Thy raiment purify, [AL-MUDDATHTHIR (THE CLOAKED ONE, THE MAN WEARING A CLOAK) Chapter 74 - Verse 4]

    This is mentioned in many verses of the holy Qur’an. The stain here implies filth and dirt. By this Allah Almighty alludes to polytheism (Shirk). To substantiate this explanation and interpretation, Allah Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an:

    So shun the filth of idols [AL-HAJJ (THE PILGRIMAGE) Chapter 22 - Verse 30]

    Also the word stain may mean , the forbidden foods and drinks as Allah has plainly stated:
    Say: I find not in that which is revealed unto me aught prohibited to an eater that he eat thereof, except it be carrion, or blood poured forth, or swineflesh - for that verily is foul - or the abomination which was immolated to the name of other than Allah. But whoso is compelled (thereto), neither craving nor transgressing, (for him) lo! thy Lord is Forgiving, Merciful. [AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6 - Verse 145]

    Another example is the following verse;
    O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 5 - Verse 90]

    There is no verse however, in the Holy Qur’an that refers to “stain” as to mean sins. For if it means sins, then the verse of purification came to confirm that those of the prophetic family were infallible from committing sins.

    9. The verse does not whatsoever mean that purification has already taken place, but it rather asserts explicitly the will of Allah Almighty to purify the Staunch and sincere wives of the prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam. From the previous argument, we also deduct that the Messenger of Allah sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam was eager to pray for his immediate and other relatives to be included in the verse of purification, in order to achieve the same as his spouses were promised.

    Worthy of mention, is that whenever the Messenger Of Allah went to perform the daily obligatory prayer, he used to pass by the house of his cousin and son-in-law, Ali and his spouse Fatima, reminding them of the obligation of prayer by saying:

    ( Stick to the mandatory prayers, O members of the family! )

    After this exhortation, he used to recite to them the following verse:

    “ Allah so wills to remove all abomination from you O members of the family, and to make you pure and stainless.”

    As stated before in the same verse. By this, he was reminding them, especially Ali, of performing Obligatory prayers in congregation in the mosque. For if one observes all obligatory acts of worship and obey Allah fully, then his reward will be to purify him from all abomination and stains.

    10. If we presume that the purification verse was revealed only to address the relatives of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam and not his spouses, so the purification stated in the verse does not suit them, due to following Qur’anic text in which Allah Almighty says: “ But He so will to purify you and complete His favors on you.” He so addresses His servants in so many other Qur’anic verses. So, if the aim of Allah Almighty in purifying the spouses of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam was to make them infallible, it would necessitate us to say that all the believers are infallible, following the Qur’anic verse which states that Allah Almighty so Wills to purify them. I am pretty sure that neither the Sunnis nor the Shi’as can allege that analogy. So how can the purification theory be executed in respect of some sects of people and leave others out of bound? Can’t you see that in this preposition, there is some whimsical and temperamental inclination? There is no any scientific methodology in it.

    It is surprising that the Shi’ite Scholars cling to the purification verse and allege that is was revealed with regard to the relatives of the Prophet sala alahu alihi wa aalihi wasallam, leaving out anything that deals with the purification. By this, they claim that only the relatives of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam are infallible. They thus intend to forget other verses that Allah Almighty revealed to purify the companions the Holy Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam from all abomination. We read for example.” But He so wishes to purify you and complete His favor on you.” They besides, slander the rightly guided Companions of the Holy Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi was and allege that they will be caused to turn upside down as a punishment for them. They claim this, inspite of the fact that Allah Almighty confirmed His Will to purify the sincere Companions of the Holy Prophet. You find many parities in the assumptions of the Shi’ite Scholars, that cause you to shake your head incessantly and come to a conclusion that, it is not but bigotry towards their Sect and utter hatred of the rightly guided Companions of the Holy Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam.

    11. To remove abomination from the kith and kin of the Prophet sala allahu alaihi wa aalihi wasallam does not entitle them to be Imams. Now we are on the outset of looking for an evidence either from the Holy Qur’an or from the Hadith that confirms the religious leadership of the Prophet’s relatives. If it is said that among the pre-requisites of the Imamite is to be infallible, then the following question casts itself; What do you say regarding Fatima bin Muhammad , who was among his daughters and among the relatives who included in the purification verse? Can we enforce the same principle on her and regard her as one of the Imam? If they say no, then we should cast the following question; which is matter of factly a quotation from a lengthy Qur’anic verse “ Do you only believe in some portions of the book ( i.e. Qur’an) and disbelieve in the others? ” You should either implement what you claim totally or admit its futility. But tampering with the Qur’anic verses and trying to fix them in some places to suit your desires without objectivity, is in fact, playing about with the Holy Book of Allah! May Allah forbid!

    WHO ARE IN THE FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD [PBUH]:

    Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him urged in the past two hadeeths to adhere to his noble household, to know their right, to respect them, and to honor them, may Allah be pleased with them all. But the question is; who are the household of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him?

    Hadeeth Al-Thiqlayn indicates to the concept of the Prophet’s household clarifying that Ahl Al-Bayt are the relatives of Prophet Muhammad and his wives.

    To the completion of the previous hadeeth, The companion of the prophet Zayd who narrated Hadeeth Al-Thiqalyn says: “his wives are among his household, but his household are those who charity is forbidden upon them.” One asked: “and who are they?” Zayd answered that they were the household of Ali, household of Aqeel, household of Jaffar, and household of Abbas. The first person asked again: “Upon all of them charity is forbidden?” and Zayd answered by a yes”

    Abdulrahman bin Abi Layla, a dignified Companion, says: “Once we asked Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him about how to pray on his household although Allah told us how to pray on him. Prophet Muhammad answered: “Say: ‘O’ Allah send prayers upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, just as You sent prayers upon Ebraheem and the family of Ebraheem. Verily, You are full of praise and majesty. O’ Allah, send blessings upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, just as You sent blessings upon Ebraheem and upon the family of Ebraheem. Verily, You are full of praise and majesty.”

    Then Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him taught them other forms of prayers upon him and his family, and one of the forms is: “O’ Allah, send prayers upon Muhammad and upon the wives and descendants of Muhammad, just as you sent prayers upon the family of Ebraheem, and send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the wives and descendants of Muhammad, just as You sent blessings upon the family of Ebraheem. Verily, You are full of praise and majesty.”

    Although the wives of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him are named as Ahl Al-Bayt in the Ebraheemite Prayer, we would find a better and a clearer declaration that the wives of the Prophet are his household in this narration:


    Anas bin Malik reported: “A banquet of bread and meat was held on the occasion of the marriage of the Prophet to Zainab bint Jahsh. I was sent to invite the people (to the banquet), ………. The Prophet left and went towards the dwelling place of Aisha and said, "Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you, O the people of the house!" She replied, "Peace and the mercy of Allah be on you too. How did you find your wife? May Allah bless you. Then he went to the dwelling places of all his other wives and said to them the same as he said to Aisha and they said to him the same as Aisha had said to him.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Tafseer Al-Quran, Surat Al-Ahzab), (Al-Nisa’ei, Work of the day and night, 271)


    In the hadeeth of Al-Efk (the narration of the Lie), the Prophet peace be upon him, while he was on the pulpit narrating charges of adultery from Ubaydillah bin Abi Salool against the Mother of Beleivers, Aisha, says: “O people give me your opinion regarding those people who made a forged story against my family. By Allah, I do not know anything bad about her. By Allah, they accused her of being with a man about whom I have never known anything bad, and he never entered my house unless I was present there, and whenever I went on a journey, he went with me” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Tafseer AL-Quran, Surat AL-Nour)

    Now, let us see what language has to say about this issue. Arabic Language scholars are very clear in identifying the wives of a man as his household. Ibn Manthoor says in the Tongue of the Arabs (Lisan Al-Arab): “Ahl Al-Bayt: its dwellers, Ahl Al-Rajul (family of a man) is the closest people to him, and the household of Prophet Muhammad may Allah have peace on him is his wives, his daughters, and his son-in-law who is Ali bin Abi Talib”

    Al-Fayrooz Al-A’abadi says in Qamoos Al-Muheet: “Ahl Al-Amr is its rulers, Ahl Al-Bayt is its dwellers, Ahl Al-Mathhab (sect) is its who believe in it, Ahl Al-Rajul is his wife, and Ahl Al-Nabi is his wives, his daughters, and his son-in-law i.e. Ali may Allah be pleased of him.”

    Al-Zubaydi says in Taj Al-Aroos (The Bride’s Crown): “Ahl Al-Mathhab is its believers, Ahl Al-Rajul is his wife and children, and this is how the verse: “and was travelling with his family” is explained as his wives and family. Ahl Al-Nabi is his wives, daughters, and his son-in-law Ali. It was said that the descendant of a man is Ahl Al-Rajul. In the Quran: “Enjoin prayer on thy family, and be constant therein,” “And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless,” and “let mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you Ahl Al-Bayt, He is the most benign and most exalted.”

    In addition to the Prophetic narrations and to the Arabic Language scholars’ sayings, the Quran itself testifies that wives are included in the phrase “Ahl A-Bayt.”

    The Quran called Prophets’ wives as their household. Allah says: “so he said to his family, "Tarry ye; I perceive a fire; perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find some guidance at the fire”. And it is known that only Mousa’s wife was with him and no one else.

    In the story of Zaleekha, the wife of Al-Azeez, when she wanted to temp Yousif, Allah says: “She said: "What is the (fitting) punishment for one who formed an evil design against thy family, but prison or agrievous chastisement?"


    Also, Allah says: “Now when Moses had fulfilled the term, and was travelling with his family.” Al-Qumi says in his Tafseer: “When the time had come, Mousa took his wife, Shu’ayb provided Mousa, and Mousa lead his goats. When Mousa wanted to leave, Shu’ayb told him: “Go, Allah made it privately for you.” Therefore, Mousa lead his goats aiming Egypt. Mousa and his wife were in a place when a cold breeze, wind and darkness stroked Mousa and his family. Then, Mousa saw a fire, where Allah said the verse: “Now when Moses had fulfilled the term, and was travelling with his family.”

    Included in the term “Ahl Al-Bayt” are Ali, Al-Hasan, Al-Hussain, and Fatima, may Allah be pleased with them all as it is mentioned in Hadeeth Al-Kisa’a (the narration of the cloak) that is narrated by Muslim. The mother of Believers, Aisha says: “One day, the messenger of Allah left the house at the afternoon and he was wearing a cloak. Then Hasan bin Ali came and the Prophet took him under his cloak. Next Hussain bin Ali came and the Prophet took him under his cloak. After that Fatima came and the Prophet took her under his cloak. Finally, Ali came, and the Prophet took him under his cloak. Then the Prophet said: “And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless”

    In retrospect, it is cleared that the household of Prophet Muhammad are his wives, the family of Ali (Hasan, Hussain, and Fatima), the family of Aqeel, the family of Abbas, and the family of Jaffar. Those are the ones who Prophet Muhammad ordered us to dignify and respect. Hadeeth Al-Thiqlain did not testify to the infallibility of anyone of them, but raised their status. Using the verse of Purification and hadeeth Al-Kisa’a to prove Ali’s infallibility is non-sense. By Aamir Mughal -



  • We see how our Muslims brethren are effected by Hinduism so bad,especiall in places such as India today, Pakistan, Bangladish, and Kashmir, and Hindu are the first in inventing new theories and new beliefs today. It is so sad, I am trying my best to correct the mistakes and the Hindu effect as much as I can, and Insha Allah I will win this battle. [Shaheed Saleh]

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    Dear Mr Shaheed,

    You are totally wrong because Deviant Muslims introduced Bida'ah [Innovations] in Islam not the Hindus, Christians or Jews, read books on Sects and Sectarianism in Islam and then blame Hindus or other Non-Muslims. Credit of Bida'ah [Innovations] in Islam goes to Deviant Muslims [Khawarij, Jehmiites, Rafidiites and Motazilla] not Non-Muslim.

    1 - Kitab al–Milal wa al-Nihal [The Book of Sects and Creeds], by Muhammad al-Shahrastani (d. 1153 CE)

    2 - Al-Fisal fi al-Milal wa al-Ahwa' wa al-Nihal ("The Separators Concerning Religions, Heresies, and Sects") by Ibn Hazm

    3 - Al-Ghunya li-talibi tariq al-haqq wa al-din (Sufficient Provision for Seekers of the Path of Truth and Religion) by Abdul-Qadir Gilani

    4 - Talbees Iblees - Arabic [The Devil's Deception] by Ibn al-Jawzee explosive on the Shi'a school of thought in Islam, as well as various other groups such as the Khawaarij (Khaarijites) and the Baatineeyah.[also available in Urdu]

    English Translations Talbees Iblees [The Devil's Deception] A - Translated By D.S. Margoliouth Edited By N.K. Singh Published In India, B - Translated Dr. Bilal Philips'

    By Aamir Mughal -



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  • Bashir Syed

    mohajir@googlegroups.com
     
    Those who do not know STRATFOR, it is a Phantom intelligence organization run by George Friedman out of Austin, Texas collecting and disseminating intelligence. His Israeli contact was with late Fr. Yuval Ne’eman who died in 2007. Ne’eman was an Israeli educated at Imperial College, London, and served in Israeli Military Intelligence agency AMAN, and Minister for Science and Technology for Israel. He tracked and collected information on Muslim scholars and students pursuing  Studies in science and technology in U.S. and other countries. If you didn’t know about this man, then please read “THE ISRAELI SECRET SERVICE, by Richard Deacon, published by Taplinger Publishing Company, New York 1980 (ISBN 0-8008-4267), in which Chapter 9, Yuval’s Ne’eman’s Technological Revolution – pages 118-130, and he was an ardent enemy of Pakistan. Ne’eman  was given a position of Visiting Professor at University of Texas, Austin, TX by a Nobel Laureate in Physics, Steve Weisman who shared the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics with Abdus Salam and Sheldon Lee Glashow, and worked under cover for collecting vital information through a network of Jewish professors and student organizations for Israeli data-base. He served at University of Texas every Summer for several years before his death in 2007. And if any one remembers about such data-base, one ought to read “Secret Files on Arab Americans Sold by U.S. Police Officer to Israel,” by Rachelle Marshall, in a column: “Hate Watch,” and published in Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, pages 16 & 86. March 1993. [By the way, Israel maintains the world’s largest database on Muslims for Profiling and future use or abuse.]  Thus any information quoted from Stratfor is already tainted with bias and disinformation.

    Bashir A. Syed
    Retired Aerospace Physicist

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  •  

    Shaheed Saleh

    Al Salaam Aleikum,

    Al Hamdu Lillah, no wonder why Islam is going down the drain, even when we show Muslims what Allah said, they are unwilling to listen, no wonder why non Muslims are placing us under their feet, Allah says: they forgot Allah and Allah will forget them as well. Please keep up your good work to finish Islam, and we will keep our work to revive Isla in all hearts regardless of your sad efforts


    My brother, perhaps you have been with me for a while, especially during the time when I use to send out messages and my mailing list reached one million before I was stopped by internet providers under threats. I have five sites on the Net, there is nothing called New age Islam and old age Islam, Islam is one and the same through the ages. We see how our Muslims brethren are effected by Hinduism so bad,especiall in places such as India today, Pakistan, Bangladish, and Kashmir, and Hindu are the first in inventing new theories and new beliefs today. It is so sad, I am trying my best to correct the mistakes and the Hindu effect as much as I can, and Insha Allah I will win this battle. My brother, Islam is not only about peace, when you read Qur'aan in an effort to understand it, you will see Allah saying: if they resort and want peace, give it to them, but if they insist on fighting you need to fight them. New age Islam if it differs than what Allah said is something that we can do without. Yes Islam is a
    religion of peace, we try to have peace and live in peace but we also have a lixcence from Allah to retaliate and fight those ho come to fight us.
    You asked me why I wanted you to spread the message of the Hollocaust, I brought you the answer from the Ayahs of Allah and told you Allah said in Ayah 17:7 the time will come when we need to work to uncover the true picture of those Israelis/Jews who are killing our children as the world witnessed against Gaza Strip in the month of Jan/09, It is Qur'aan my brother, do you still believe in Qur'aan? If you say you believe in Qur'aan yet when shown what Qur'aan says you still insist on rejecting and going in defiance because I do not know what Imam in your country said, or bcause some want to invent a new Islam for the new age. Those who say they believe in Allah and Qur'aan yet when shown what Allah said they come in defiance, those are Hypocrites my brother, and Islam need not have Hypocrites because Allah warned us against Hypocticy, so please listen:
    Whether you accept or want to keep rejecting, with all due respect to the Imam you brought me what he said, Allah in Ayah 17:7 says we need to uncover the truth about the Israeli/Jews, this message I sent you lately is one of the best means to spread the truth that you call hate, If you do not hate the Israeli?Jews then there is something deadly with you and with those who are teaching you not to hate the enemies of Allah my friend. Allah says an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and if they spread hate against us we need to return the favor to say the least. Do not place your head in the sand and pretend no one can see you, placing your head in sand make you like a good target for the enemies of Allah and the enemies of our prohet.
    Your brother are being killed at the hands of the Israeli?Jews and theose who help them from the US, you can stay like a mute Satan about all of this, and be a peace loving person with those war mongers, and sit and watch our brethren dying at the hands of the enemies of Allah and do nothing, but please do not be a rock in the way of those who still have feelings and warm blood, especially if we are not as your good Imamm said, I am not a suicide Bombar, I fight my battles with educating people about what Allah said.

     

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  • Amir Mughal,

     

    Little knowledge is dangerous and I detest debating with people who call Yazeed , the most cursed man to have ever walked on earth, with respect.  It reflects your mindset and your close vision like that of senile Zakir Naik.

    But I would like to say that Ahulul Bayt means people of the Prophet household and that includes Fatima, Ali,  Hasan, and Husain besides the Holy Prophet SAW.  Thier piety needs no certificate from ignorant and jahilyas   I am surprised that you doled out so many hypotheses to make a point which does not exist.  The exalted position of the Holy Prophet (SAW), Fatima,. Ali and Hasan and Husain (all RA) has been established by the fact that no one from the land of Arabia including the Caliph Rashidun and usurpers like Muawiya and his father Aboo Sufyan or his cursed and doomed son Yazeed could ever claim they occupied exalted position than Ahulul Bayt,.  NO ONE COULD EVER CLAIM THEY WERE MORE EXALTED THAN AHLUL BAYT.  It is stupidity to talk and dole out such hadith which has no relevance Mughal.

     

    I am amazed that you bring Abu Talib and his acceptance of Islam as an issue,.  Who has given more sacrifice to islam than the Prophet uncle,.  Who protected Prophet it was only Abu Talib and his son Ali,.  No one else.  Why to talk about Abu Talib, he was Prophet uncle and his contribution is well documented even in the film Message. It was a canard spread by people you quoted about Hazrat Abu Talib.  His acceptance of islam has been established and it does not need theories and hadith to establish.  Why the acceptance of Islam by parents of other caliph has never been raised

    Wahabis  are anti Islam, their main aim is to demolish islam as the cursed regime of Saudi Arabia is indulging.  Such theories are always propagated by these schools of the pirates Saud and Abdel Aziz.  Mughal, monarchy is alien to Islam and yet you follow Saudis more than Islam.

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  • Ye Hum sab sunni aur shia muslim jante hain.Allah hamen rasool aur ale rasool ki mohaabat ke wasile se jannat main pahoonchayega. Amin [Syeda]

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    {Translation of Ms Syeda's Declaration: Muslims would attain slavation only through loving Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and his household Ahl Al Bayt [May Allah be pleased with them]}

    Dear Ms Syeda,

    You are absolutely and thoroughly WRONG.

    O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. [AL-HUJRAAT (THE PRIVATE APARTMENTS, THE INNER APARTMENTS) Chapter 49 Verse 13]

    Criteria of Salvation on Judgement Day:

    Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 48]

    On the authority of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) say: Allah the Almighty said:

    O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it. [Tirmidhi and in Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal).

    Myth of Syedzada [Descendants of the Holy Prophet Mohammad - PBUH]:

    The lineage is not the criteria but the piety and what you do are the criteria.

    If the lineage is the criteria of piety then what would one say about Abu Lahab [Paternal Uncle of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)]

    In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

    The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish.

    His wealth and gains will not exempt him.

    He will be plunged in flaming Fire,

    And his wife, the wood-carrier,

    Will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre.

    AL-MASADD (PALM FIBRE, THE FLAME) Total Verses: 5

    The Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said: The people before went astray and were ruined because if a noble person committed theft, they used to leave him but if a weak person among them committed theft, they used to inflict the legal punishment on him. By Allah, if Fatima, the daughter of Mohammad, committed theft, I will cut off her hand. (Agreed upon Hadith).

    Narrated Hazrat Aisha [May Allah be pleased with her]

    Usama approached the Prophet on behalf of a woman (who had committed theft). THE PROPHET SAID, "The people before you were destroyed because they used to inflict the legal punishments on the poor and forgive the rich. By Him in Whose Hand my soul is! If Fatima (the daughter of the Prophet ) did that (i.e. stole), I WOULD CUT OFF HER HAND." [Bukhari]

    In Rajab [Tareekh Al-Islam 1/120], the tenth year of the Prophethood, Abu Talib fell ill and passed away, six months after leaving the confinement at Ash-Sh‘ib. In another version, Abu Talib breathed his last in Ramadan, three days prior to the death of Khadijah [R] . On the authority of Al-Musaiyab, when Abu Talib was on the death bed, the Prophet [pbuh] entered the room where he saw Abu Jahl and ‘Abdullah bin Abi Omaiyah. He requested his uncle:

    "My uncle, you just make a profession that there is no true god but Allâh, and I will bear testimony before Allâh (of your being a believer)".

    Abu Jahl and ‘Abdullah bin Abi Omaiyah addressing him said: "Abu Talib, would you abandon the religion of ‘Abdul-Muttalib? " The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] constantly requested him (to accept his offer), and (on the other hand) was repeated the same statement (of Abu Jahl and ‘Abdullah bin Abi Omaiyah) — till Abu Talib gave his final decision and he stuck to the religion of ‘Abdul-Muttalib and refused to profess that there is no true god but Allâh. Upon this the Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] remarked:

    "By Allâh, I will persistently beg pardon for you till I am forbidden to do so (by Allâh)".

    It was then that Allâh, the Magnificent and Glorious revealed this verse:

    "It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allâh’s forgiveness for the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in a state of disbelief)." [Al-Qur'an 9:113]

    And it was said to the Messenger of Allâh [pbuh]:

    "Verily! You (O Muhammad [pbuh]) guide not whom you like." [Al-Qur'an 28:56] [Bukhari 1/548]

    It goes without saying that Abu Talib was very much attached to Muhammad [pbuh] . For forty years, Abu Talib had been the faithful friend — the prop of his childhood, the guardian of his youth and in later life a very tower of defence. The sacrifices to which Abu Talib exposed himself and his family for the sake of his nephew, while yet incredulous of his mission, stamp his character as singularly noble and unselfish. The Prophet [pbuh] did his best to persuade his octogenarian uncle to make profession of the true faith, but he remained obdurate and stuck to the paganism of his forefathers, and thus could not achieve complete success. Al-‘Abbas bin ‘Abdul-Muttalib narrated that he said to the Prophet [pbuh] "You have not been of any avail to your uncle (Abu Talib) (though) by Allâh, he used to protect you and get angry on your behalf." The Prophet [pbuh] said: "He is in a shallow fire, and had it not been for me, he would have been at the bottom of the (Hell) Fire." [Bukhari]

    Abu Sa‘id Al-Khudri narrated that he heard the Prophet [pbuh] say, when the mention of his uncle was made, "I hope that my intercession may avail him, and he be placed in a shallow fire that rises up only to his heels." [Bukhari]

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • salam for Ashike rasool

    Dekho Wahabiyon Rassool Aur Ale Rasool ki Mohabbat aur  tazim to Ghair Muslim Bhi kerte hain.

    Aur yazeed per Laanat bhejte hain.

    Tumhara keya hoga.

    Time Mile To Soch le Ki yahaan Per to Jeet sakta hai, yahan per copy paste ker ke bhi jeet sakta hai, lekin Allah ke Adalat main rasool ki boghes rakhne walon ka Anjaam keya hoga.

    Ye Hum sab sunni aur shia muslim jante hain.

    Allah hamen rasool aur ale rasool ki mohaabat ke wasile se jannat main pahoonchayega.

    Amin

    By Syeda Farheen Fatima -




  •  *K@MR!Z*
                  
    Subject: Dewi Roop Kumar MUST READ,,,,,,,,
    AB ZINDAGI BHAR YA HUSSAIN YA HUSSAIN HUSSAIN HUSSAIN By Ahmad Mumbai -



  • If that is the case let us come out in the open and say so clearly, loudly and repeatedly that in the present time there is no reason for Osama bin Ladens and other Wahhabis to propagate the view that we Muslims have Quranic sanction for killing all non-Muslims as well as non-Wahhabi Muslims. Let us not mince words and let us not go about it in a round about way. [Shagufta]

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    Dear Ms Shagufta,

    Where it is mentioned, please explain.

    There are no such orders either in Quran or Hadith because the verses/text of Hadith which are are called War Like Text are with context and background.

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Mrs. Syeda Kaneez Fatima Rizvi, Aadaab

     

    Were you a bull-fighter in one of your previous lifetimes, in Islamic Spain, maybe? The only thing that seems to interest you is a bull-fight. (Are your daughters laughing?) Mr. Sultan Shahin asked you a straight question. Please reply to that and enlighten us as all instead of beating about the bush as you did in the last post. We are all waiting. I am posting his questions below in case you have genuinely forgotten them in your preoccupation with evoking laughter to keep your daughters happy.

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    " ……………..

    Anyway, please tell me if I have understood you correctly. It seems your point is that while these Quranic verses asking us to kill the kafirs wherever we find them are not applicable to us today but may become applicable some day in future, if such a situation as the one obtaining in Medina in the time of Prophet arose. If that is the case let us come out in the open and say so clearly, loudly and repeatedly that in the present time there is no reason for Osama bin Ladens and other Wahhabis to propagate the view that we Muslims have Quranic sanction for killing all non-Muslims as well as non-Wahhabi Muslims. Let us not mince words and let us not go about it in a round about way.

     

    This is no time for prevarication or using circumlocutions. We are at war. Parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan have already come under the control of Saudi-ised Taliban. The radicalisation of moderate mainstream Muslim societies like Indonesia and Malaysia is afoot. Even in India, where a mystical Islam reigned until recently, Saudis have bought large number of Mullahs and they are spreading a very intolerant version of Islam. As I keep saying we have no time to lose. I would appreciate from you a clarification of your views in the matter. You don’t have to be a Maulani to do that. This very institution of Maulanas is against the precepts of Islam and at the very least it is an innovation that we do not need to care much for. There is nothing between us and Allah except the Holy Quran and those Ahadees that we consider possibly valid and authentic." -- Sultan Shahin

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    Shagufta

    P.S. I liked your shagoofa bit, by the way. Coming up with new shagoofas is one way of staying shagufta. Won't you agree?

     

    But in this case, I am truly concerned and worried that even old ladies like you will not take these issues seriously enough to engage in a sombre and consistent conversation on the subject at a time when Muslims the world over are despised for these verses in the Quran. Do we have to abide by them even today as Osama bin Laden asks us to?  Is Jihad really the sixth pillar of Islam? What is wrong with us Muslims really? Is this the problem with our scripture or our own inability to see it valid only for the illiterate Bedouins of the Arab world in those days? Arabs themselves seem to be giving up on Islam, if hey were ever Muslims in the first place. Any people who could watch Imam Hussein RA being killed along with his family in the most brutal manner and then accept the killer as their khalifa/King could be anything but Muslim. They accepted Yazeed Lanati in the same way as they have embraced America and Israel today. And they say Shiiaan-e-Ali are out of Islam! What gall!

     

    By Shagufta -



  •  

     

    If we reverse the letters of ‘SATYAM’ it Becomes ‘MAYTAS’…..I tried doing the same with PERVEZ but it never became Sultan Shaheen,  stupid me Naahh

    To end all speculation and anxiety among the sexists on this site, about my Gender, I have to say this, If I am what I say I am, then all you nasty boys can look up to me as your elder sister and If you still doubt, then you regard me as your elder brother, I would not have any problems, as many bright daughters have proved more supportive to their parents than not so bright sons of this NewAge.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • I see caliph Omar bringing an ayah to Zaid Bin Haris asking him to make it part of Koran ( which wasbeing compiled at that moment) I  also hear about Mushaf-e- Fatima which will be revealed with the coming of Mahdi..... if above is right then sultan shahin is not very wrong , after all he is just asking to underplay/ clarify as obsolete ( conditional).. [Pervez]

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    Dear Pervez Sahab,

    "Compiling and Collecting Quran"

    Courtesy: Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid

    "QUOTE"

    “Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)” [al-Hijr 15:9] 

     

    Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8: 

     

    Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance. 

     

    Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696): 

     

    It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded.  

     

    “and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them.  

     

    The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

     

    “And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages” [al-Isra’ 17:106] 

     

    al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: 

     

    This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood.

     

     “in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein. 

     

    “And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years. 

    Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760. 

     

    Secondly: 

     

    Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning): 

     

    “He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves” [al-Jumu’ah 63:2] 

     

    They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like. 

     

    Thirdly: 

     

    At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away. 

     

    Fourthly: 

     

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all. 

     

    Fifthly: 

     

    The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence. 

     

    Sixthly: 

     

    The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:  

     

    Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):  

     

    "Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).  

     

    Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). 

     

    The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).  

     

    This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion. 

     

    Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you."  

     

    Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah.  

     

    'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.  

     

    Ibn Shihaab said: Khaarijah ibn Zayd ibn Thaabit told me that he heard Zayd ibn Thaabit say: “When we made copies of the Mus-haf I missed a verse of al-Ahzaab that I used to hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recite. So we searched for it and we found it with Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari. (The verse was) ‘Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allaah’ [al-Ahzaab 33:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. So we put it in its place in its soorah in the Mus-haf.”

     

    Thus an end was put to dispute and the Muslims were united. The Qur’aan has remained and will remain narrated from generation to generation and preserved in men's hearts until the Day of

    Resurrection. This is how Allaah has preserved His Book, in confirmation of the verse in which

     

    He says (interpretation of the meaning):

     

     “Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)” [al-Hijr 15:9]

     

    The Qur’aan was preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the trunks of trees and thin white stones until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, so Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan may be lost. He consulted the senior Sahaabah concerning the idea of compiling the entire Qur’aan in one book so that it would be preserved and would not be lost, and this task was entrusted to the great hafiz Zayd ibn Thaabit and others who had written down the Revelation. Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:  

     

    “Abu Bakr As-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of Yamamah had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musaylimah). (I went to him) and found 'Umar bin al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said (to me), ‘ ‘Umar has come to me and said: “Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) at the Battle of Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you [Abu Bakr] should issue orders that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, “How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, “By Allah, this is something good.” ‘Umar kept on urging me (to accept his proposal) until Allah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized.’ Then Abu Bakr said (to me): ‘You are a wise young man and we have a great deal of confidence in you. You used to write down the Revelation for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So you should seek out the Qur’aan [i.e., the fragments on which it is written] and collect it (in one book).’ By Allaah, if they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been harder for me than this command to collect the Qur’aan. I said (to Abu Bakr), ‘How can you do something which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?’ Abu Bakr said, ‘By Allaah, it is a good thing.’ Abu Bakr kept on urging me (to accept his proposal) until Allah opened my heart to it as He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar. So I started to look for the Qur’aan and collected it from (the fragments on which it was written of) palm-stalks, thin white stones and the hearts of men (i.e., from men who knew it by heart), until I found the last verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is :  

     

    ‘Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty…’[al-Tawbah 9:128 – interpretation of the meaning]

     

    … until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (Soorat al-Tawbah). 

     

    These fragments remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with ‘Umar for the rest of his life, then with Hafsah bint ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both).” 

     

    Secondly: 

     

    With regard to al-Hajjaaj, it was not his idea to write out the Mus-haf, rather he was commanded by an intelligent man to do that. There follows the complete story: 

     

    Al-Zarqaani said: 

     

    It is known that the Mus-haf of ‘Uthmaan was unpointed (i.e., it had no diacritical marks). Whatever the case the addition of diacritical marks to the Mus-haf did not happen, according to the well-established view, until the era of ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan, when he realized that Islam had spread widely and the Arabs were mixing with the non-Arabs, which was having an effect on the Arabic language, so that there was much confusion about the correct reading of the Mus-hafs and it was becoming very difficult for people to tell the letters apart. By his deep insight, he realized that he should do something to solve the problem. So he commanded al-Hajjaaj to take care of this important matter. In obedience to the caliph, Al-Hajjaaj appointed two men to deal with this matter, namely Nasr ibn ‘Aasim al-Laythi and Yahya ibn Ya’mar al-‘Adwaani, both of whom were qualified and able to do the task required of them, because they were knowledgeable, righteous, pious and experts in Arabic language and the various readings of the Qur’aan. They had also both studied under Abu’l-Aswad al-Du’li. May Allaah have mercy on these two shaykhs, for they succeeded in their work and gave the Mus-haf diacritical points for the first time. They added dots to all the letters that look similar, not adding more than three dots to any one letter. That became widespread among the people and was very effective in dispelling confusion concerning reading of the Mus-haf.  

     

    It was said that the first person to add diacritical marks to the Mus-haf was Abu’l-Aswad al-Du’li, and that Ibn Seereen had a Mus-haf to which diacritical marks had been added by Yahya ibn Ya’mar. These opinions may be reconciled by noting that Abu’l-Aswad was the first one who added diacritical marks to the Mus-haf, but he did that for his own individual use, then Ibn Seereen followed him in that, and that ‘Abd al-Malik was the first one to add diacritical marks to the Mus-haf  in an official and public manner that was spread widely among the people in order to dispel any confusion with regard to reading Qur’aan.” Manaahil al-‘Irfaan, 1/280, 281 

     

    Thirdly: 

     

    With regard to what is mentioned in the question, quoting from al-Masaahif by Ibn Abi Dawood, there follows the report concerning that and the ruling thereon: 

     

    It was narrated from ‘Abbaad ibn Suhayb from ‘Awf ibn Abi Jameelah that al-Hajjaaj ibn Yoosuf changed eleven letters in the Mus-haf. He said that in Soorat al-Baqarah 2:259 it said lam yatasanna wa’nzur, with no ha’, and he changed it to lam yatasannah wa’nzur (they show no change, and look…) 

     

    In al-Maa'idah 5:48 it said sharee’atan wa minhaajan, and he changed it to shir’atan wa minhaajan (a law and a clear way) 

     

    In Yoonus 10:22 it said, Huwa alladhi yunshirukum and he changed it to Huwa alladhi yusayyirukum (He it is Who enables you to travel…) 

     

    In Yoosuf 12:45 it said Ana aateekum bi ta’weelihi and he changed it to Ana unabbi’ukum bi ta’weelihi (I will tell you its interpretation) 

     

    In al-Zukhruf 43:32 it said, Nahnu qasamnaa baynahum ma’aayishahum and he changed it to Nahnu qasamnaa baynahum ma’eeshatahum (It is We Who portion out between them their livelihood) 

     

    In al-Takweer 81:24 it said Wa ma huwa ‘ala’l-ghaybi bi zaneen and he changed it to Wa ma huwa ‘ala’l-ghaybi bi daneen (and he withholds not a knowledge of the unseen) Kitaab al-Masaahif by al-Sajistaani, p. 49. 

     

    This report is da’eef jiddan (very weak) or mawdoo’ (fabricated), because its isnaad includes ‘Abbaad ibn Suhayb, whose hadeeth is to be rejected. 

     

    ‘Ali ibn al-Madeeni said: his hadeeth is no good. Al-Bukhaari, al-Nasaa’i and others said: he is matrook (to be rejected). Ibn Hibbaan said: he was a Qadari who promoted his innovated ideas, and he narrated things which a beginner in this field would realize were fabricated if he heard them. Al-Dhahabi said: he is one of those who are to be rejected. 

     

    See Meezaan al-I’tidaal, by al-Dhahabi, 4/28. 

     

    The text of the report is also false, because it dos not make sense that these changes could be made in the Qur’aan and then spread throughout the world. Even some of the non-Muslims, such as the Raafidis (Shi’ah) who think that the Qur’aan is incomplete, rejected this and criticized its text. 

     

    Al-Kho’i, who is one of the Raafidis, said: “This claim is like the hallucination of one who is suffering a fever, or like the fairy tales of the insane or of children. Al-Hajjaaj was one of the governors of the Umayyads, and he is too incapable to do anything to the Qur’aan. He is even incapable of changing any of the minor issues of Islam, so how could he change the thing which is the foundation of the religion and the basis of sharee’ah? Where would he get the power to introduce this change throughout the realm of Islam and beyond at the time when the Qur’aan was well known throughout the Muslim world? How come no historian has ever mentioned this disastrous event even though it is so serious and they would have a lot of motives to mention it? How come no one among the Muslims of his time narrated it? How could the Muslims have turned a blind eye to such an action after the reign of al-Hajjaaj came to an end? Even if we assume that he could have gathered all the copies of the Qur’aan and that not one single copy escaped his grasp anywhere in the far-flung regions of the Islamic world, how could he have removed it from the hearts of the Muslims and those who had memorized it, the number of whom at that time is known only to Allaah.” (al-Bayaan fi Tafseer al-Qur’aan, p. 219) 

     

    What the questioner mentions about Imam al-Sajistaani, and that he wrote a book called Ma Ghayyarahu al-Hajjaaj fi Mus-haf ‘Uthmaan (What al-Hajjaaj altered in the Mus-haf of ‘Uthmaan) is not true, rather it is a blatant lie. All there is, is the commentary that al-Sajistaani wrote concerning the words quoted above from al-Hajjaaj, entitled Baab Ma Kataba al-Hajjaaj ibn Yoosuf fi’l-Mus-haf (Chapter on what al-Hajjaaj wrote in the Mus-haf). 

     

    On this basis, we cannot rely upon this report under any circumstances whatsoever. The fact that until now it has not been proven that anyone has succeeded in his attempt to change even one letter (of the Qur’aan) is sufficient to prove that it is a lie. If what has been narrated is true, then it would be possible to repeat it, especially at the times when the Muslims were weak and their enemies plotted against them.  It is such specious arguments that prove that these claims are false, and that our enemies are incapable of refuting the evidence of the Qur’aan or its clarity, so they resorted to attacking it. 

     

    "UNQUOTE"

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Yes, “translation” is not a problem within Muslim community .So why are they not able to be in league with right message of Prophet, especially the terrorists? What prompts smaller children to carry guns in their hands? Why ”Jihad” has come to be associated with elimination of innocents instead of elimination of bad tendencies lurking within?
    Haider Bilgrami (Who am I?)
    Karachi, PAKISTAN

    By Haider Bilgrami, Karachi, PAKISTAN -



  • koi joote ki baat bhi karta hai aur ganda na karne ka waada bhi kar raha hai..

    comon..there are more civilized ways of engaging in conversation

    By pervez -



  • Sultan Shahin Sahab

     

    Thanks for your prompt and detailed reply to my request. Personally i feel you have given a good argument. But Nimaz is unique and had there been need for more physical exercise for our bodies Nabi kareem sww would have certainly asked us to practice yoga or anything similar, instead, we have been asked to indulge more in sports like swimming and horse riding which I am sure involves lot of physical activity. I also do not agree with people who are fond of giving fatwas for no rhyme or reason without having knowledge to back their claims.

    Shakeel Ahmad Ansari Bhagalpur

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  • Pervez Janab

     

    IT jobs are in doldrums…I hope you not working with Hewlett and Packard? Or the worst has already happened? That’s why you have so much spare time I guess….really.. Me not joking at all, the southern belt including Chennai/Erode have been worst hit. Don’t worry, you will get through this bad phase in your life, just keep your senses tuned till that time. Wiase agar aap ganda nahi karenge to ganda nahi chapega…..aur koyee joota bhi nahi marega….

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Yes, “translation” is not a problem within Muslim community .So why are they not able to be in league with right message of Prophet, especially the terrorists? What prompts smaller children to carry guns in their hands? Why ”Jihad” has come to be associated with elimination of innocents instead of elimination of bad tendencies lurking within?
    Haider Bilgrami (Who am I?)
    Karachi, PAKISTAN

    By Haider Bilgrami, Karachi, PAKISTAN -



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    Quranic Verses: Giving Rise To Islamic Terrorism ?

     

    What is really the problem within Muslim community

     

    Isn’t it time for Muslim thinkers to do some real soul-searching? Have they ability to make the right sense prevail among misguided soul within their community who are blood thirsty?

    And a very important question: Is only misinterpretation the real cause of rise of dangerous souls within Islamic world? Why have such misinterpretations not given rise to blood-thirsty souls in other major religions like Hinduism and Buddhism? Have a look at the pages of History. It’s full of barbaric acts of Muslim rulers across the globe.

    Some have expressed unhappiness over the fact that some are engaged in misinterpretation of Quranic verses. True. Bad translation is a real problem. However, the greater truth is that menace is being created by people in league with authentic versions of Quran and not by people in league with translated version. Is the ” two language” creating problem for Talibanis too ?

    One gentleman, hailing from Pakistan, too lamented on Instablogs that some are engaged in bad translation of Quranic verses. He went on to make a “a humble request,” that please read “the translation approved by some MUSLIM scholars”. Indeed, very good advice. And just see what comes out from the mouth of such a person who claims to have read the right version: “After this mess, every Muslim will think to destroy Israel.....and it will make conditions worse every where.”

    That says all. That also let us know, albeit in a subtle way, what is really the problem within Muslim community.

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  • Mr. Shahin, As-salam-alaikum,

     

    There can be no debate whatsoever on the relevance of Quranic verses, it was relevant yesterday it is relevant today and will be relevant till eternity We with our limited intellect cannot pin point something and then say it is obsolete just because it does not fit into our compass of thinking process.  No Mr. Shahin, you cannot pick and chose in religion as tomorrow one can rape a woman and then say the laws governing them are obsolete.  Or tomorrow you can come out and say Hajj ritual are obsolete and must be done away with.  Our basic faith and commitment to Quran is on its eternal values.  If someone is misusing these verses like the despotic, perfidious and anti Islam Wahabis, we must not go for a change but follow it more meticulously.  The Wahabis are the biggest enemies of Islam and so are the Saudis. Believe me they will be dammed sooner.

     

    I sincerely believe that intellectuals like you must not waste time in picking up Quranic verses off and on, but rather concentrate on the threat which these talibanised Saudis are doing to the society.  It is amazing that these Wahabis who condemned wasilah and invocation do believe in destroying the sacred places symbols of Islamic history just because they feel the followers are doing something wrong. But these wretched creatures, the scum of the civilized society boastfully preserve their own history and that of the land the pirates Saud and Abdul Aziz.

     

    No Mr. Shahin, by calling certain verses of Quran as obsolete you are giving them, the wahabis, a weapon to browbeat Islam and its followers. This is what the radical element of Islam wants.

     

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • Haan ek baat aur... kya yeh baat tay hai ke Quran complete hai.?.. agar hai tab to sachmuch Syeda kaneez ki symmetrical analogy sach me ek mojze se kam nahi , balke mojza hai.!!! aur hona bhi chahiye coz. this is word of God.

    lekin agar uske poora hone par koi shubah ho to phirbhi yeh symmetry mojiza hi kehlayegi kyonke to the best of my knowledge order of qoran is not same as it was revealed. and there were lots of goats around in Ancient Arabia,  I see caliph Omar bringing an ayah to Zaid Bin Haris asking him to make it part of Koran ( which wasbeing compiled at that moment) and finally the feed is dropped because omar culd not bring forth a second witness ( a precondition fixed by the collectors).. that means certain ayahs could very well be left from including in the final manuscript in absence of proper witnesses... no wonder shia often cry foul saying Ahle bayet didnot get their due ( it is understandable too because Ali would not have got the other witnesses if a verse was revealed in the house of fatima.. historians who were kind attributed some credibility to things like NAAD E ALI and AYA E TATHEERA, and most chose to dismiss the whole thing ).. this is just  my presumption only and an attempt to recreate those times which continue to elude muslim ummah for one or the other reason.. which are responsible for some serious cracks in the foundation of Islam and therefore people like Syeda kaneez find this impossible to let go the 7th. century politics..

    I also hear about Mushaf-e- Fatima which will be revealed with the coming of Mahdi.....

    if above is right then sultan shahin is not very wrong , after all he is just asking to underplay/ clarify as obsolete ( conditional)..

     

    By pervez -



  • somewhere Aamir Mughal has written that Diversity is going to prevail.

    I usually try to explain this with the inkjet printers most have 4 or 6 colors ,all enemies  to each other on casual inspection but same diversity gives rise to MILLIONS OF COLORS ( as per HP advertisement). voice of dissent is voice of progress and hallmark of intellectual faculty.  I must say Sultan shahin, Syeda kaneez, Jamshed basha ( Pasha I think originally till Arabic took over persian in subcontinent Lols... only joking !), Aamir Mughal, Shamshad Elahi Ansari, are these color cartridges...

    keep up the million color promise, bus ganda mat chhapna

    love to all

    By pervez -



  • Walekumuussalam Sayyeda Kaneez Fatima Sahiba,

     

    Please forgive me; I was just afraid of your Assamoalikums; I have a small daughter to look after.

     

    Anyway, please tell me if I have understood you correctly. It seems your point is that while these Quranic verses asking us to kill the kafirs wherever we find them are not applicable to us today but may become applicable some day in future, if such a situation as the one obtaining in Medina in the time of Prophet arose. If that is the case let us come out in the open and say so clearly, loudly and repeatedly that in the present time there is no reason for Osama bin Ladens and other Wahhabis to propagate the view that we Muslims have Quranic sanction for killing all non-Muslims as well as non-Wahhabi Muslims. Let us not mince words and let us not go about it in a round about way.

     

    This is no time for prevarication or using circumlocutions. We are at war. Parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan have already come under the control of Saudi-ised Taliban. The radicalisation of moderate mainstream Muslim societies like Indonesia and Malaysia is afoot. Even in India, where a mystical Islam reigned until recently, Saudis have bought large number of Mullahs and they are spreading a very intolerant version of Islam. As I keep saying we have no time to lose. I would appreciate from you a clarification of your views in the matter. You don’t have to be a Maulani to do that. This very institution of Maulanas is against the precepts of Islam and at the very least it is an innovation that we do not need to care much for. There is nothing between us and Allah except the Holy Quran and those Ahadees that we consider possibly valid and authentic.

     

    Sultan Shahin

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    Janab Sultan Shaheen salaam

     

    Neither you are senile like the absconding Jamshed Basha, nor you are childish like the cowboy from the Pakistani wilderness of Jehallat  ‘Master’  Amir Moghul,  so you don’t have to be repetitive and be obsessed by the irrelevant and out of context quotes copied and pasted from concocted/crafted rigmaroles by one non existent shagufta/shagoofa.

    Quran Majeed Is not a subject to be discussed with Jahils (Shagoofa/not you)  who also lack the basic  faith which is essential to understand the Quran in its right perspective. I can only say about your Blasphemous call for abrogation of certain verses of the Holy Quran (Nauzbillah) which you in unison with Talibans/Wahabis refer to as War like verses.

    Quran is the Word of Allah swt and carries his Most distinct quality which is beautifully described in Sur-e-Ikhlaas about his existence from Ajal to Abad, first, all believers should have faith on this and also on the existence of the Holy Quran in the same way, only we got to know of the Quran when Islam was bestowed upon our World 1400 years ago. Quran Majeed is the only perfect mathematically balanced book, had it not been this way, people like yourself would have done the same, what they did to the other books of Almighty Allah and the original Quran would not have been among us. Now before your mind wonders as to what all I am trying to imply here I site an example:

    Al- Malyeka  (Angels)  Is mentioned  88 times in the Holy Quran and so is Al-Shayateen  (Satan) is mentioned 88 times. Again  Al-Duniya (this world) and Al-Akhira (the world here after) is mentioned 115 times, Al-Hayat (life) and Al-Maut (death) 115 times each , Al- Rajul (man) and Al-Marha (Women) both is mentioned 24 times…I believe as you read on you are not missing upon the symmetry and balance in the mention of certain diametrically opposed things, what I am trying to Imply here, that the mention of Angels and Satan is Equal number of time in the Quran,  now if we go on harping only about the mention of Satan and ignore the mention of Angels then it is our own folly not that it was asked in the Quran, …If we only  talk about the  war like verses in times of  peace and tranquility then it is our own folly,  if we decide to wear a rain coat when the sun is shining bright in the sky,  then it is our own folly not of the Rainy Season which is on its schedule, something is wrong with our own minds not with the Seasons which are being created by the Rabbul Rahmat,  one and only Allah Swt. If you go to a wedding ceremony with the mood and intention of giving condolence, then something is wrong with your own head nothing is wrong with people who are happily moving around as they should, in a wedding ceremony. I hope you see the hint or do I have to reiterate that the need is to abrogate or should I say, amputate the perpetrators of hatred the Wahabis /Talibanis/Yazeedis/terrorists  from the Mainstream Islam. The need to cling to the rope of faith is strongest in these times than it ever was, because Jahils and hypocrites are mushrooming from among us by dozens. Now before you decide to chide away, let me remind you once again that I am no ‘Mullayeen’ as you may presume, I am an only ordinary Muslimah who never   forgets to pray to Allah Almighty to keep me stead fast on his religion. And lastly Sir, if you feel anything personally insulting or any arrogance directed at yourself, please believe me,  it has never been my intention nor will it ever be.

     

    Nb:I have read somewhere,  that a reply to a salaam is obligatory on Muslims???

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Dear Shakeel Ahmad Ansari Saheb,

     

    Yes, Nimaz does resemble some Yogic postures and does have some benefits of physical exercise as well. I also agree that if someone performs Nimaz five times a day with a pure heart and conducts himself correctly and develops the kind of character and piety that Islam wants and encourages us to create, and indeed shows the way for it, he or she would not need to suffer from a variety of ailments. This is the theory at any rate.

     

    However, as the swelling number of Nimazis ending up at hospitals around the Muslim world with a number of serous ailments suggests this is not happening. Why? Well, for one we are not a people with the kind of character Islam wanted us to create. In fact our condition is hardly any better than that of any other religious community. The percentage of criminals amongst us, all sorts of criminals, liars, rapists, murderers, Mafiosi, smugglers, etc. etc. is more or less the same as in other religious communities. Islam has been as much of a failure in character building as have been other religions and philosophies. Communism, for instance, wanted to create a New Man but was a miserable failure. So are all other philosophies religions that came to help mankind develop a good character. In my personal observation, which, of course, has no empirical value, five-time Nimazis are often of a much worse personal character than the ghair-Nimazis or only jumma-ke-jumma Nimazis. For one thing, they become too self-righteous and are thus insufferable in a community, without acquiring the kind of character that should go along with Nimaz. Perhaps also because ghair-Nimazis develop higher expectations of rightful conduct from Nimazis! For instance, a Nimazi usurping the property rights of his sister hurts us more than the similar conduct of a ghair-Nimazi. So Nimaz is often accompanied by misconduct and thus does not give us the kind of health benefits it could have.

     

    Another reason why Nimaz fails is that most of us are actually not able to concentrate or meditate during Nimaz. Go to a Tableeghi Jamaat camp and one of the most frequent exhortations you will hear from your instructor will be: Better your Nimaz, Better your Nimaz. Now how does one better one’s Nimaz? By concentrating, meditating. By being focussed on the ayats one is reciting or listening , and on the movements of our body during Nimaz. Most Nimazis are not able to do that. Why? Because they have not learnt the Yogic art of mediation. I asked my Tableeghi instructor once how does one better one’s Nimaz and what does one do to better one’s concentration and focus. He was nonplussed. He had not learnt the yogic techniques of mediation taught to us by the previous prophets. Apparently his own Nimaz too did not have the focus required, although he could sense observing other Nimazis that something was not quite right.

     

    Islam did not come in a vacuum. It came as an apogee of human achievement in the field of religious instruction to mankind given by God, the same God who had sent us 124,000 prophets before and asks us repeatedly, scores of time, to respect all prophets equally. No new theory comes in a vacuum. It builds upon the previous ones. So if mankind forgets how to light a fire and how to use a wheel it will not be able to run the modern civilisation. We are everyday building upon our previous achievements and learning. The implication is that if your are not a good Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Zoroastrian and Christian, etc. you simply cannot become a good Muslim. Islam is the highest floor of mankind’s religious edifice. But the highest floor cannot exist in a vacuum, without the rest of the structure. It has to rest on a foundation.

     

    The implication of all this is that you cannot derive the health benefits of Nimaz without learning the meditational techniques of the ancient Islamic art of Yoga, and of course,  without building the kind of good character and piety Islam wants you to develop. Indeed Yoga too will not benefit you as much as it should if you do not have a good and honest character or if you carry malice or revenge or any other negative human traits in your heart. All good yoga teachers will ask you to purify your heart and clear it of negative emotions. My yoga teacher kept repeating, for instance, that yoga will not benefit me if I did not first lean the art of forgiveness. Yoga is the first step. Take it so that you can better take the last step of Nimaz and become a better and healthier human being.

     

    Sultan Shahin

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  • Dear Madame Fatima,

     

    You have still not given us the benefit of your intensive Quranic studies. As not all of us can live happily in the 7th century, we Muslims of the 21st century are asked to reply to these concerns of the wider world everyday, since the very dawn of the 21st century, particularly since September 11.

    Do please tell us, as I asked before, are these verses – all of them quoted by the author of the article that Ms Shagufta posted – for real or are some of them spurious extrapolations or wrong translations? Should we today feel bound to follow these instructions to kill and maim and fight with certain people even without any reason? Are the Wahhabis right in telling us that we need to fight and kill practically everybody else in the world including non-Wahhabi Muslims, particularly Shias and Ahmadiyas, as they are considered Kafir and will qualify for being killed under these Quranic dictates? Is Radical Islam right in using these verses to justify what they call Jihad? Do the instructions in these war-like Quranic verses apply to us even today, though we are no longer living in the conditions prevalent in the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the seventh century?

     

     Sultan Shahin

     

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    Sultan Shahin

    Please comment on the message of Mrs Sayeeda kaneez  in response to your good article on Yoga, copy of her message is reproduced below for our kind perusal.

     

    Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez

     

    Yes… Yoga is really very essential for all those Muslims who have been missing their five time essential Prayers. If a  Muslim spends 10 minutes for one time Salat/Namaaz  it comes to around  50 Minutes  or  one hour of  both physical and Spiritual exercise a day  with,  a bonus of doing a good deed and complying with the will of the Almighty Allah. I for one would prefer SALAT a hundred times over Yoga as it is a diluted dose of Medicine, and runs no risk of overdose and does more good than a concentrate form of medicine dosage  of Yoga (an hour of Anulom /Vilome whatever) which runs a risk of overdose and side effects if done in an amateurish way. Yoga is good, But  Namaaz is the best, as it is prescribed by the Creator of all human beings himself and he knows best what all is best for our spiritual and physical wellbeing.  So I invite all those Yogis and Muslims to perform Namaz and experience the heath, happiness and blessings of Allah Almighty.

     

    By Shakeel Ahmad Ansari Bhagalpur -



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    Janab Sultan Shaheen .....

     

    If you think that I missed upon your desperate attempts to attract  my attention by shuffling your articles and providing links to your earlier follies that amount to blasphemy, when you advocated and crassly used the words like abrogation and obsolete about certain Quranic verses  then you are wrong !  I gave you the benefit of an innocent child rather than that of an ignorant fool when I decided to ignore and not to confront your stupid remarks directly, rather I decided to pass you  hints to read the Quran with more conviction and rectify your folly,  also if you remember you were very surprised, your enormous ego was hurt,  when I said Sultan Shaheen is behaving like a ring master and you are doing the same thing  again by bringing up topics like the Shia /Sunni   and your own blasphemy about declaring certain Verses of the Holy Quran as Obsolete ‘Nauzbillah’   to the fore front in your site, the Islamic Scholars Ignored your stupidity for reasons best known to them,  I have stated mine as to why I did ….to give you more time to correct yourself for you have the basic urge and intelligence  to do so. As regard your acquaintances with abusive women it’s your own weak trait and I don’t wish to comment upon personal shortcomings of any individual, we are here to discuss Islam. Also your reference to some wrong words said about the khulfa-e-Rashdeen Ra which some virtual being (bearing my name as you say) posted on your site, in the first place, it should have been removed by you as soon as you came to know of it, but you did not, because it served as feed for the hate mongers such as Jamshed Bashas and Amir Moghuls and also promoted hectic activity and good masala for your site.

    If you pick and choose to reply only things which are not so relevant and conveniently ignore the more serious questions in my posts, then this discussion is an exercise in futility. You instigate all and sundry to live in the present but you love to live in the past such as  “kaneez said this kaneez said that”…Yes I am living in the 21st century  and the most latest religion Islam is my faith Alhamdollillah!!

    Quran is protected by  Almighty Allah himself  remember this!  And If you really have to remove something,  try to remove Jehalat from within,  try to abrogate the propaganda of Whabiat, try to Amputate from the  main stream Islam all those who misinterpret the Holy Quran for vested Interests. Some times you sound like a spoilt offspring   who is always finding faults with his old folk, typical of the Newage.

     

    Nb: If you and you imaginary friends are so puzzled with the question, whether or not I exist?  You can consider me a ghost,  but certainly not a Casper.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



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    Dear Mrs. Kaneez Fatima,

     

    You would not have felt the need for writing almost exactly the same thing that I wrote following the sentence you have quoted, had you continued to read on beyond that point. This was the sentence that followed:

    "While this sort of speculation about netizens’ age and gender and religion and profession may be a good pastime, this is irrelevant, as what matters to us in our discussions should be the thoughts expressed, regardless of the name or gender or even religious-affiliation used. There are a variety of reasons why people keeps pseudonyms, etc. To a certain extent this happens in the print media as well. I don’t know of any newspaper that verifies the given address and name and gender of any one who writes for them, particularly in the letters to editor column."

    And the sentence preceding that, which you must have read even if you stopped reading beyond the point of your quotation, was: “Whether or not Ms Shagufta is real or how real, to what degree, is irrelevant. We netizens are all virtual beings. Some of us may become real to some people by exchanging personal notes, sharing phone numbers, addresses, etc., but until that happens we are all virtual beings. What matters is our thoughts.”

    While you talk about a family and people laughing and so on, we still do not know if you really exist in the way you present yourself and will remain a subject of speculation for those who have time to while away. Just as you are speculating and some other readers are speculating about Ms Shagufta's credentials. The point I made in that comment was simply that as speculation about Sayyed Kaneez Fatima's existence is pointless, so is speculation about Ms. Shafugta. For me all readers and commentators are real, even though I know that all of them are virtual and know nothing about them beyond their own claims.

    So let us just treat all commentators as real while knowing that they are virtual and may very well be using a false identity, and concentrate on the thoughts expressed in their name, real or false, and discuss those thoughts instead of speculating about a person's real identity. As for your identity, I was merely reporting what other readers felt and told me. As for me, I was not so much startled by your claim of being a woman – I have known abusive women before, though yes, generally men do think, wrongly, as it turns out, that women are of more delicate sensibility – but by your abusiveness towards Khulafa-e-Rashedeen. I have known Sunnis claiming that Shias do that. But I had not seen any Shia in action. However, my Shia friends inform me that you are an exceptional Shia and they don’t do that, even if they feel that Khilafat rightly belonged to Hazrat Ali. [Please don’t use these remarks as an excuse for discharging a fusillade of abuses against the Khulafa-e-Rashedeen again. There is something called respecting people’s sentiments. The Holy Quran too asks us to care for the sentiments of even non-believers.]

    Now let us for a change discuss the subject and concerns that Ms Shagufta has raised. Please come out of the 7th century and concern yourself for a change with the concerns of the 21st century.  Pinch yourself hard and look at the calendar; you are actually living in the 21st century. Since you are Masha Allah so well versed in Quranic studies, you are the ideal person to tell us if the image these verses present of Islam and Muslims is justified.

     

    To begin with, are these verses – all of them – for real or are some of them spurious extrapolations or wrong translations? Should we today feel bound to follow these instructions to kill and maim and fight with certain people even without any reason? Are the Wahhabis right in telling us that we need to fight and kill practically everybody else in the world including non-Wahhabi Muslims? Is Radical Islam right in using these verses to justify what they call Jihad? Do the instructions in these war-like Quranic verses apply to us even today, though we are no longer living in the conditions prevalent in the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him)?

     

    Sultan Shahin

     

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    Janab Sulatan Shaheen Salaam

     

    “Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez is particularly concerned in the matter, as are some of my friends. But many of my readers are certain that Sayyeda Kaneez cannot possibly be a woman. With her breadth of knowledge of the life and times of ahl-e-bait and  murky Arab politics of the seventh century they are convinced “she” is a Muslim, but she deeply upsets their view and image of what a Muslim woman is like in her conduct, in her choice of vocabulary, etc. Some discussants have indeed left the field, more scared of her than they were even of their fathers in their childhood. [Actually I was scared too before engaging her in a conversation recently, but she has been very kind to me indeed.]  “ (Sultan Shaheen)

     

    I can do nothing but laugh aloud, my entire family joins me when we read the above paragraph from Sultan Shaheen’s post, but in the heart of my heart I am saddened by the mere fact that even educated people like Sultan Shaheen would be more concerned about the gender of the participants in the debate than the debate itself, No wonder infidels have been labelling Islam as Sexists, though Islam has held women in the Highest esteem when compared to other beliefs. Now this is the Talibani/and infidels  propaganda that women have limited rights in Islam specially in matters of religion, had this been true the Holy Prophet Pbuh would not have taken his beloved Daughter along,  when he went  to confront the Christian priests for a religious debate.

    Mohtaram Sultan Shaheen has been beating around the Bush guessing and doubting my gender and the yardstick used to arrive at this preposterous conclusion is my choice of words, If I call a pig a pig and dog a dog my credentials of being a women are doubtful?  does this mean that Sultan Shaheen accepts,  that Men are more Abusive than Women? Men are more aggressive in their choice of words when compared to women?  Women can not discuss relationships even When Allah Swt has talked about it explicitly in the Holy Quran Itself. I have already said, and I reiterate with due Respect that Sultan Shaheen sir’s hands are tied and knowledge about Islam is smattering If only he spends more quality time with conviction to polish his knowledge of Islam he would not be then bothered about the trivialities like gender or sects (Shia/Sunni) in Islam and when true faith prevails only then he would completely elevate himself and be ready to do good work and contribute in his own little ways to our already impeccable Islam. If the Age Is New,  then let me remind all readers, that Islam is the latest of religions of God Almighty.

     

    Nb: Olfactory sense is more reliable than guessing !!!

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



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    I have received several complaints from friends and well-wishers of the site regarding some posts of Ms Shagufta which have hurt the feelings of people. Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez too has given voice to similar feelings. I am told in the words of a friend who sent me a personal letter and so will remain anonymous: “Sina is posting his comments in the form of / or through some Shagufta, this man is a dedicated anti-Islamic agency, his aim does not appear to rectify ills (as is of most contributing on your site probably).Rather he is bent upon scaring all the non- Muslims and few Muslims too from the very term of Islam.”

     

    My view of the matter is this. I run a site on which is largely non-monitored so far and readers are given every opportunity and facility to post their comments. Only twice or thrice I think I have deleted a few offensive words from a couple of posts and deleted only one complete post, that too after a lot of cogitation and demands from readers.  So  there is noting much I can do right now in terms of stopping people from posting unless I change my site’s orientation altogether. This too can be done if many readers think that is warranted.

     

    Whether or not Ms Shagufta is real or how real, to what degree, is irrelevant. We netizens are all virtual beings. Some of us may become real to some people by exchanging personal notes, sharing phone numbers, addresses, etc., but until that happens we are all virtual beings. What matters is our thoughts. Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez is particularly concerned in the matter, as are some of my friends. But many of my readers are certain that Sayyeda Kaneez cannot possibly be a woman. With her breadth of knowledge of the life and times of ahl-e-bait and  murky Arab politics of the seventh century they are convinced “she” is a Muslim, but she deeply upsets their view and image of what a Muslim woman is like in her conduct, in her choice of vocabulary, etc. Some discussants have indeed left the field, more scared of her than they were even of their fathers in their childhood. [Actually I was scared too before engaging her in a conversation recently, but she has been very kind to me indeed.]  While this sort of speculation about netizens’ age and gender and religion and profession may be a good pastime, this is irrelevant, as what matters to us in our discussions should be the thoughts expressed, regardless of the name or gender or even religious-affiliation used. There are a variety of reasons why people keeps pseudonyms, etc. To a certain extent this happens in the print media as well. I don’t know of any newspaper that verifies the given address and name and gender of any one who writes for them, particularly in the letters to editor column.

     

    The questions and problems towards which Ms Shagufta has, however, pointed our attention in posting a couple of widely circulated articles from the internet are not new.  She probably came across them for the first time and is horrified, confused if these are really Quranic verses or mere Zionist or Jihadi propaganda. These war-like Quranic verses, Kafir-phobic and anti-Semitic, pose issues that are being used by our enemies from outside and inside to subvert the religion and even give it a bad name. Radical Jihadis too use the same Quranic verses to brainwash our youth into taking up Jihadism and killing innocent civilians, mostly Muslims, many while praying in mosques, in a number of countries in West, South and South-East Asia. Pakistani Muslims are the biggest victims of Jihadism, after Iraq and Afghanistan. We in India too are a major victim of Jihadism, second only to Pakistan, perhaps. That the state of Pakistan is a founder and promoter of Jihadism, along with the United States and Saudi Arabia, by the way, should not make us lose sight of the fact that Pakistani people, like Saudi and American too, are a major victim of Jihadism.

     

    The reason these enemies of Islam are able to either condemn us on account of these Quranic verses or brainwash our youth into turning into dastardly killers using the same verses is that we mainstream Muslims have not been loud enough in pointing out that all Quranic verses are not of a universal nature. We keep clinging to our “every-word-in-Quran-is-immutable” line and every line is of equally universal significance. Many of these verses came to provide Muslims and the Prophet (peace be upon him) guidance in certain situations. As those situations do not obtain today and cannot possibly obtain in future, they are no longer relevant. Their value is more in terms of providing us a historical record of the titanic struggle the prophet had to wage in order to propagate Islam in an environment where most of the powerful people of Mecca were opposed to Islam, , understandably perhaps, as this religion gave succour to the weak and the needy and the exploited. So those surahs are valuable to us, but not in the sense that they continue to provide us guidance and instruction in the present day and age in the same way as before and in a literal sense.

     

    Our conduct of affairs today is not and cannot be guided by these situational surahs as those situations do not exist any longer. It is only by clarifying this loudly and repeatedly that we can stem the tide of our own youth leaving the fold of Islam either to join Jihadism or atheism or whatever. We can also counter the charges levelled at our religion by outsiders too only in this way, not by banning Ms Shagufta – for me she is as real as any other virtual commentator – from posting comments. She has just directed our attention to something that is available on the net and will not go away if we close our eyes to it.

     

    This will not happen perhaps until the mullah-institution and Mullah-making factories are closed down. Mullahism is an innovation that Mullahs never talk about as innovation while decrying all innovations as un-Islamic. Once the original, inveterate enemies of Islam and their progeny took over the reigns of power, having killed the last remaining members of the family of the Prophet, they came to face a situation in which they had to rule a Muslim country consisting of people who could read and understand the meaning of the Holy Quran and many could even recite all of it from memory. They had to utilise the tremendous energy generated by Islam to expand their empire. And they had to institute their un-Islamic rule by way of a hereditary Khilafat and do it in the name of Islam while Islam’s USP was equality of all human beings in the eyes of Allah except on grounds of piety. They could not change the Holy Quran, so they created this humongous institution called Hadees. Then to stop people from reading the Quran, and trying to understand its meaning for themselves, they instituted the class of Mullahs who claim to be capable of telling us what Quranic verses mean. We forget that the Quran had come primarily to address the illiterate and little-educated Bedouins of the seventh century Arabia. If they could understand it, and of course, they did, why can’t we. Why do we need middlemen not sanctioned by the Quran?

     

    Unfortunately Shia rulers too, though their movement was in protest against these un-Islamic gongs on, saw the virtue of keeping people away from their very basic source of guidance and created an even more rigid hierarchical structure of Mullahs. Well I suppose all rulers would do that as Islam is primarily a challenge to the powers-that-be. It had come as a challenge to the mighty rulers of its time and once you are a ruler even if you came through Islam, this religion starts posing a challenge to you. It is natural for rulers to try to change it in order to control this challenge. There has to be some reason why rulers of today, all rulers, of all hues, Islamic or non-Islamic, are afraid of Islam and consider it a challenge even in its admittedly dilapidated form and ramshackle condition.

     

    This is not to say that no Muslim ruler, Sunni or Shia was any good or pious or nothing that happened in the 14 centuries of Islamic expansion through the world was valuable to humanity. No, one just cannot say that. It would be absurd. Many non-Muslim historians will themselves refute that proposition. But the point has to be made that both our Sunni and Shia rulers have made us subservient to Mullahs and brainwashed un into thinking that Islam is too complicated a religion for us to be able to understand and so we must depend on a Mullah who has gone through a special and rigorous training for years to find out what this religion means for us and what its instructions are no matter how intelligent or well-versed in worldly knowledge we may be.

     

    This must change. The only way for this to change is for our educated classes in particular to find time to read the Holy Quran in translation disregarding the Mullah’s objections to it. Yes, some may not even know it, but the Mullahs do object to reading the Quran in translation in a language that we can understand. They are only happy as long as we are reading and reciting its verses like a parrot. Our understanding of Quran challenges their hegemony. The situation is not and cannot be as bad as in the days of Inquisition in Europe, but it is coming to that at least in Talibani Jihadism-run countries and regions. We should read the Holy Quran; see its beauty and simplicity, even though the translation will not be fully able to capture its majesty. We can easily see what is relevant to us today and what is not. We can easily divine its spirit and develop a feel for how Allah would want to us to conduct ourselves in the present time and in our present situations in different parts of the world.

     

    Sultan Shahin

     

    P. S. For further discussion, readers can refer to:

    Indian Ulema have no time to lose, must call warlike Quranic surahs obsolete

     

    http://newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=787

     

    And: Jihadism gets sustenance from verses of war in the Quran

     

    http://newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=960

     

    By Sultan Shahin -



  • Janab Sultan Shaheen  salaam

    I would like you to reply to my earlier post that you have not replied so far, don’t know under what constraint, nevertheless, a response is long due from your side.

     

    “Sultan Shaheen

    Editor newageislam.com

    Salaam alaikum

    I have been visiting your site on and off and appreciated the articles and debates, but I am really surprised at your ignorant remark, when you compared the Shahadat of a mosque to that of a human martyr and consider both as one and the same thing and further ridicule, that how would bricks and stone would go to Jannat, I will site a very simple example,  an easy one,  for your confused mind to understand  the issue  ‘Whenever we go to purchase a copy of the holy Quran we don’t ask for its PRICE  ( for Quran is invaluable) we ask the vender as to what is the ‘HADIA’ of the copy of the Quran as mark of respect for the Quran.

    Similarly if a house of God is damaged,  we don’t use more colloquial term as ‘GIR GAYEE’ we say Shaheed  ‘HO GAYEE’ also we Muslims are hurt and unhappy over the issue but  nobody is veiling like you chided and  also made a very childish comparison between 6th December 1992 and Moharram. ‘MOHARRAM’,  as we all know and I am sure  you must be aware too, being  a Muslim yourself,  is the first month of Islamic calendar,   and also of course, marks the victory of Prophet pbuh  Grandson  Husain Ra over the Yazid la and his band of terrorists in  Islamic history,  in other words a victory of ‘HAQ’ over ‘BATIL’  Shaheen sahib if you are a Wahabi then I may Ignore your  Ignorance and move on, and if by chance you are not,  then I request you to reconsider both your remarks, ponder,  where you erred and come back.

    Wassalaam,  jazaak Allah khair”

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



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    It is true that anger and ego blinds even the most well read people, the same is evident in the reply of Sultan Shaheen Editor@newageIslam.com instead of correcting and rediculing Mrs. Kaneez's  thought provoking post, he should have responded  point wise,  without displaying his own contempt for  genuine criticism, It seems he has carefully avoided the salient features of the post of Mrs kaneez,  If Sultan Shaheen is interested in Hits then he should also be prepared for Blows.

     

    "In your response to the message of Mr. Yousaf,  though you have tried to maintain your cool, but the pent up anger has surfaced here and there despite your expertise at writing. So my good Advice to yourself is, that you don’t have to stay neutral, instead come out with full force against what you feel is wrong, but at the same time, remaining well within the domain of our beautiful and complete religion Islam.

    Please don’t be carried away with the urge to paint a secular picture of yourself in accordance  to present day definition of secularism,  instead you should highlight secularist nature of Islam, you don’t have to criticise and portray Islam in bad light to drive your point home and act friendly with people who point a maligned finger at Islam. Instead you try to counter such elements with ‘Hiqmat’ and knowledge rather than trying to please them by chiding about your own religion which you do not fully understand. Dear sir I am sure you have a good mind though your hands are tied where true Islamic knowledge is concerned and which ultimately leads to Actual flawless faith and nearness of Allah almighty. { Mrs kaneez}

     

     

    By Rahmat Ali Siddique Bhagalpur, Bihar. -



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    Dear Ms / Mr.  Shagufta or ‘Shagoofa’ (no pun intended )

     

    Repetition and loud behavior is the sign of the liar, please take time to Identify yourself, if your are really serious about getting answers to your rigmarole, then you should be more concerned with convincing answers and not with, Who is satiating your quest, whether it is a Maulvi or any ordinary Muslim. Also try to free yourself from shackles of  the nasty habbit of copying and pasting from here and there, Instead,  try to ask only that  which your mind could not comprehend about Islam due to lack of information or low IQ.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Where are the Maulanas? Give a reply to this!

    1 - Sex In Paradise By Ali Sina

    2 - Zakir Naik: Promoting Terrorism By Ali Sina [Shagufta]

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    Very simple answer:

     

    Remind them, for thou art but a remembrancer, Thou art not at all a warder over them. [AL-GHASHIYA (THE OVERWHELMING, THE PALL) Chapter 88 - Verse 21 and 22]

     

    O Messenger! Make known that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord, for if thou do it not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. Allah will protect thee from mankind. Lo! Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 5 - Verse 67]

     

    As for him who thinketh himself independent, Unto him thou payest regard.  Yet it is not thy concern if he grow not (in grace). [ABASA (HE FROWNED) Chapter 80 - Verses 5, 6 and 7]

     

    So let whosoever will pay heed to it, [[ABASA (HE FROWNED) Chapter 80 - Verse 12]

     

    And if the above one doesn't help then these are sufficient:

    There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. {Verse 256 Chapter 2 AL-BAQARA (THE COW).

    Had Allah willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them. Revile not those unto whom they they pray beside Allah lest they wrongfully revile Allah through ignorance. Thus unto every nation have We made their deed seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to
    do (Cattle – VI (Soora Al Anam) Verse 107, 108).

    And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong, and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender {The Spider – XXIX (Soora Al-Ankaboot) Verse 46}.

    Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright. [Verse 125 Chapter 16 AN-NAHL (THE BEE)].

    And if thy Lord willed, all who are in the earth would have believed together. Wouldnt thou (MOHAMMAD) compel men until they are believers? {Jonah – X (Soora Yunus) Verse 99}.

    In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    Say! O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion {The Disbelievers – CIX (Soora Al-Kafiroon) 6 Verses}.

     

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Where are the Maulanas? Give a reply to this!

     Sex In Paradise 

     

    By Ali Sina

     

    When the popular CBS documentary program '60 Minutes' aired the interview with a Palestinian terrorist who claimed that those who blow themselves killing many Israelis will go to Paradise and receive 70 houris, Muslims were outraged and as Joyse M. David on August 23, 2001 reported they claimed that the story of 70 Houris promised to those who fight and die in the name of Allah for killing the infidels is ‘fabricated’.   

    Davis writes: “The documentary by reporter Bob Simon examined the militant Islamic organization Hamas, which has claimed responsibility for dozens of suicide bombings against Israel. Muslim leaders charge that the report presented false stereotypes of Muslims and defamed their religion.” 

    She quotes the Muslims “scholar” Dr. Maher Hathout a member if the Islamic Center of Southern California, who said, "There is nothing in the Koran or in Islamic teachings about 70 virgins or sex in paradise. This is ridiculous, and any true Muslim knows that,". 

    I agree with Dr. Hathout that this is ridiculous, but I disagree with him when he says that there is nothing in the Quran or in Islamic teachings about the 70 virgins or sex in Paradise. If Dr. Hathout is truly an Islamic scholar he should have at least read the Quran. There are several references to the houris in Quran with details. Because I know Muslims always say that their critics quote “out of the context” I am going to quote the verses of the Quran speaking of the houris with the preceding and succeeding verses. 

    In Surah 44, Muhammad first describes the hell quite vividly. 

    43    Surely the tree of the Zaqqum, 

    44    Is the food of the sinful 

    45    Like dregs of oil; it shall boil in (their) bellies,

    46    Like the boiling of hot water.

    47    Seize him, then drag him down into the middle of the hell;

    48    Then pour above his head of the torment of the boiling water:

    49    Taste; you forsooth are the mighty, the honorable:

    50    Surely this is what you disputed about.

    After giving this dreadful description of the hell and the tortures preferred by Allah the Prophet promises lots of goodies to those who became Muslims.

    51    Surely those who guard (against evil) are in a secure place, 

    52    In gardens and springs; 

    53    They shall wear of fine and thick silk, (sitting) face to face; 

    54    Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris pure, beautiful ones.    

    In Surah 52 there is another description of the heaven and hell:

    17    Surely those who guard (against evil) shall be in gardens and bliss 

    18     Rejoicing because of what their Lord gave them, and their Lord saved them from the punishment of the burning fire.

    19    Eat and drink pleasantly for what you did, 

    20    Reclining on thrones set in lines, and We will unite them to large-eyed beautiful ones. 

    21    And (as for) those who believe and their offspring follow them in faith, We will unite with them their offspring and We will not diminish to them aught of their work; every man is responsible for what he shall have wrought. 

    22    And We will aid them with fruit and flesh such as they desire.

    23    They shall pass therein from one to another a cup wherein there shall be nothing vain nor any sin.

    Amazingly this paradise promised by the holy prophet satisfies even the paedophiles. 

    24 And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls. 

     

    Also in Surah 76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men. 

    And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.

     

    Again in Surah 56 the Prophet gives the glad tidings of the paradise to his followers and says:

    59    And besides these two are two (other) gardens:

    60    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

    61    Both inclining to blackness.

    62    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

    63    In both of them are two springs gushing forth.

    64    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

    65    In both are fruits and palms and pomegranates.

    66    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

    67    In them are goodly things, beautiful ones.

    68    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

    69    Pure ones confined to the pavilions.

    70    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

    71    Man has not touched them before them nor jinni.

    72    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

    73    Reclining on green cushions and beautiful carpets.

    74    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

    75    Blessed be the name of your Lord, the Lord of Glory and Honor!   

    In Surah 56  , there is promise of houris as well as youths that never age for the gratification of Muslim men. 

    11    These are they who are drawn nigh (to Allah), 

    12    In the gardens of bliss.

    13    A numerous company from among the first,

    14    And a few from among the latter.

    15    On thrones decorated, 

    16    Reclining on them, facing one another.

    17    Round about them shall go youths never altering in age, 

    18    With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink; 

    19    They shall not be affected with headache thereby, nor shall they get exhausted,

    20     And fruits such as they choose, 

    21    And the flesh of fowl such as they desire. 

    22    And pure, beautiful ones, 

    23    The like of the hidden pearls: 

    24    A reward for what they used to do.

     

    I believe this should suffice to prove that not only Allah promises "virgin houris" to the righteous Muslims but also “never-aging boys” as white as pearls.

    There are also several hadith that confirm sex in paradise. Hadith are the sayings of the Prophet. The following are few of them

     

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 402

    Narrated Abdullah bin Qais:

    Allah's Apostle said, "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them. And there are two gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of silver; and two other gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of so-and-so (i.e. gold) and nothing will prevent the people staying in the Garden of Eden from seeing their Lord except the curtain of Majesty over His Face."   

     

    The modern Muslim apologists try to present Islam as a religion of peace yet it is not hard to find many hadiths that call for war and promise great rewards in the other world and in this one to the Mujahid who takes the arm and fights for Allah.

    Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 46

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."

     

     Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 48

    The Prophet said, ...  "Paradise has one-hundred grades which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who fight in His Cause,

     

     Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 72

    Narrated Anas bin Malik:

    The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)."

    Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba: Our Prophet told us about the message of our Lord that "Whoever amongst us is killed will go to Paradise." Umar asked the Prophet, "Is it not true that our men who are killed will go to Paradise and their's (i.e. those of the Pagan's) will go to the (Hell) fire?" The Prophet said, "Yes."

     

    The Hadiths like these abound and there are also many verses of Quran the glorify Jihad (holy wars). As it is clear these wars were not defensive but were offensive wars. See how Muhammad prepared his followers to attack the lands that had nothing to do with Islam. 

    Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 48

    Narrated Khalid bin Madan:

    Um Haram informed us that she heard the Prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition." Um Haram added, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?' He replied, 'You are amongst them.' The Prophet then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, 'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative."

     

    Therefore it is safe to say that the essence of Islam is expressed in the following hadith. 

     Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 73

    Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa:

    Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords."

     

    More articles from Ali Sina can be found at www.golshan.com and http://free.freespeech.org/rationalthinking

    By Shagufta -



  • Taliban’s Swift Justice

    By DR. GHAYUR AYUB

    Friday, 23 January 2009.

    WWW.AHMEDQURAISHI.COM

     

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—It was during a visit to Peshawar that I met a senior police officer. He narrated a story which was brow-raising. He told of a person from Bannu who lent Rs. 40,000 [approx. U.S. $500] to a man he knew, who promised that he would return it within a specified time. He told the borrower that he had saved up the said amount to help pay for his children's education. When the agreed time lapsed, he asked him to return the amount. The borrower started making excuses and after a few months he flatly refused and challenged the lender to do what ever he could. There is a Pukhtu word for it ‘Laas Da Azaad De’.

    The man went from pillar to post to seek justice but with no result. The police proved incapable as the borrower was a powerful man with strong connections. When he tried to knock on the door of the court for justice he was dismayed to hear that it would take months for the case to come to a hearing and years to reach a final judgment. After all that, the chances were that the verdict would go against him as he was up against powerful people. To top it off, he was told he had to pay Rs 1000 upfront every time he wanted to put his case forward for a hearing. This amount did not include the amount he was going to pay the lawyers. When he calculated it, the approximate amount turned out to be more than the actual amount he was going to seek justice for.

    At the end of every day, he would go back home heart broken; cursing his luck to be living in a country where there was no justice for the middle or poor classes. He tried to persuade the borrower by pleading with him, explaining how desperately he needed the money for his children’s education. He even offered a discount or to split the amount into installments, but all in vain. It was like hitting a brick wall. He felt dejected, helpless and powerless to see his children suffering just because he came from a stratum of a society pushed against the wall. 

    One evening, he heard a knock on the door. He opened it and saw two strangers with bushy beards standing outside. Thinking they were there to collect charity, he asked with irritation what they wanted. They told him that they saw him crying in the mosque and on enquiry they were told that someone was refusing to pay his money back. With a surprised look on his face, he asked them who they were.

    “We are local Taliban,” they said. Then they asked if he would let them have his side of story. He saw a ray of hope and ushered them in. After listening to his story, the Taliban told him that the borrower had committed an un-Islamic act, and if he wanted they could persuade him to return the said money. “We want your permission”. His heart jumped with flickering optimism and immense joy and without any hesitation, he gave them his consent. Before they left the premises they asked for 72 hours.

    According to the police officer, the Taliban went to the influential man and told him it was un-Islamic not to pay the amount he had borrowed from the man. They threatened that if he did not pay the debt back within 48 hours; he would bear the consequences. They also told him how Taliban had previously dealt with people like him. Shivers went through the spine of the ‘powerful’ man as he knew what their threat meant. With a dry mouth, frightened face and shaking body he nodded his head in agreement, promising he would return the amount. The next day, he went to the house of the lender and paid back the full amount he had refused up until then. He apologized for the delay and requested him to tell the Taliban not to harm him or his family and to let them know that he had returned the money. The Taliban never went back to ask whether he got the money back, but they must had been watching the development. From that day on, according to the police officer, that man became a strong supporter of Taliban. Could anyone blame him?

    Another related story about quick and effective justice comes from the Bugti tribe of Balochistan. According to electronic media, a man named Nazim Ali was refused his share in a dispute. According to him, he spent a lot of money to get justice from the court but failed because of corrupt practices. So he went to the tribal chief who referred him to the Jirga. The Jirga decided that he should walk on fire and if he was telling the truth he will not be burned. Nazim Ali agreed to it and in front of onlookers he walked on red hot coal. After the walk, people saw that his soles were not burned. The chief decided in his favour and he was given his due share.

    There are countless other stories of parallel justice systems running in Pakistan in the present day. These systems seem to be nippy and effective satisfying their poor clients. Some are Taliban style, others tribal style, sharing one commonality; they are swift, just and not stained with corruption.

    In my discussions with different walks of people living in the troubled parts of FATA and NWFP the vast majority agreed that the justice provided by Taliban is fair and quick. They might not agree with other activities related to Talibanization such as discouraging western education, burning of schools, gender discrimination etc; but they do appreciate the provision of justice served at the doorsteps with efficiency, audacity and honesty. Swift justice is the major achievement which attracts the poor people of Pakistan to Taliban.

    Dr. Ayub can be reached at turi555AThotmail.com

    By Gulzar -



  • World’s Greatest Showman

    Ali Sina on Zakir Naik: A review of The Qur’an and the Bible in the Light of Science  

    By Ali Sina 
    2006/06/12  

    In 2000, a televised debate between Dr. William Campbell representing Christian view point and Dr. Zakir Naik representing Islamic view point took place.  

    Pakistan Daily Times wrote

    On December 7, 2005, a TV channel (QTV or Al-Noor) showed a debate between William Campbell and Zakir Naik, which showed the other side of the polemic. In the past it was Zakir Naik trying to prove other religions wrong; this time it was William Campbell rebutting his arguments.

    This was fair enough. If you don’t want your religion criticized don’t do it to other religions. When Dr. Campbell criticized Muslims for claiming scientific discovery in the Quran one had to listen.

    The TV channel took a fair decision, but when Dr. Campbell began cutting close to where it hurt, the program was suddenly taken off in favor of na’at. If this was done out of fear it was not a good decision and showed Dr Naik in a bad light. (Later news is that Dr Naik won the debate.) 

    Muslims are convinced that Dr. Naik won that debate. In fact once you watch the video, unless you know the Quran and Islam fairly well, this is the impression that you get. Dr. Naik was so confident and so boisterous throughout the debate that anyone watching would think the same.  

    Or did he? I went through this debate and have analyzed the talk of Dr. Naik paragraph by paragraph. In this paper I have shown that Dr. Naik misrepresented every statement he made on the Quran. There is not a single claim that Dr. Naik has made about the Quran being miraculous or scientifically accurate that is true.  

    I have entitled this paper, World’s Greatest Showman, because after watching his performance, in my opinion, it describes him best.  Dr. Naik is a magician. Magicians make you believe they cut people in two, make objects disappear and reappear and make rabbits come out of an empty hat. But in reality none of that happens. The ability of the magician is to make you believe in things that do not happen. Dr. Naik uses a different kind of  tools to perform his magic. He uses words.  He can make his audience believe in things that are not true. In this paper, I am going to show his tricks and what he uses as setup to make things look differently. By the time you finish reading this paper, you'll be able to detect them too. But that is not all. Since all the Muslims use the same tricks, although not with the same proficiency of Dr. Naik, you'll be able to detect their tricks too.

    A good magician is dexterous and his  moves are swift - so swift that they are hard to detect. However,  if you replay his acts and watch then in slow motion, or even frame by frame, you may be able to catch his tricks. This is what I have done with Dr. Naik's talk.   

    This paper will eventually be available for free download and also in a printer friendly format. It may even become available in a book format.  I hope all those who have seen the debate between Dr. Campbell and Dr. Naik and were swayed by Dr. Naik's showmanship read this paper to see how he deceived everyone. Anyone who has seen or heard Dr. Naik owes it to himself to read this paper. He rehashes the same things in all his talks. Here, the tricks of a master magician are exposed. Read it and pass it on. 

    There is no doubt that Dr. Naik is great. One must acknowledge the merits of his opponent. His greatness is in his ability to twist the truth. He is dexterous with words and has an excellent memory for remembering the verses of the Quran. If he was a lawyer and I was a criminal, I would want him as my attorney.       

    You can watch the debate by clicking on the links at the bottom of this page while following the transcript in the following pages. When it comes to my responses, you can click on pause and read what I have written. 

    I say it with all certainty that this paper demarks the end of Dr. Naik's glory and will bring down his empire. Once his fans read this, it would be as if a balloon is punctured. They will see through his veneers of lies and chicanery and his tower of cards will crumble. The proof is overwhelming. Many of them may write to him asking him to respond. Dr. Naik will not because he cannot. Perhaps he would come with silly conditions like he did before, asking for a face to face debate or demanding that I organize a conference attended by 10,000 people, or raise the reward of $50,000 dollars that I am offering to anyone who can prove me wrong to one million dollars. Most likely someone else will respond saying Ali Sina is not important for Dr. Naik to waste his time on. 

    These are of course lame excuses. There is nothing one can say in a face to face debate that one cannot say in writing. The problem of a face to face debate is that one can play 'magic' and fool the audience, while this is not possible in a written debate. 

    17:81 Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."  

    When this verse was first proclaimed (when Muhammad conquered Mecca) it was anachronistic because then it was Falsehood that had taken over the Truth with force, treason and tricks. Finally, thanks to the Internet, this violent force has become helpless and Truth is reemerging. You can say that verse was false when uttered. But ironically, it was prophetic because it is very true today. Today Truth is back with vengeance and Falsehood is bound to perish. 

    If you want to contact Dr. Naik, here is his email: info@drzakirnaik.com

     http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellintro.htm

     

    By Shagufta -



  • Where are the Maulanas? Give a reply to this!

     

    Zakir Naik: Promoting Terrorism 

     

    By Ali Sina 

    2005/10/22

    I found the  following paragraph in  irf.net, the official site of Dr. Zakir Naik. This is what he teaches to his students: 

    “5.   Every Muslim should be a terrorist

    Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.”

    Dr. Naik claims that the anti-social elements that need to be terrorized by Muslims are the criminals, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. But isn't it the job of the police to go after the criminals? The police is trained and is paid to catch the criminals. His job is not to terrorize the criminal but to enforce the law. Those whom he catches are not criminals until proven as such in the court of law. As far as the police is concerned they are suspects. He must catch the suspect using minimum force and use force only if necessary. He must respect the human rights of the suspects. As long a the suspect is not convicted in a court of law, he remains innocent.

    Who gave the authorization to Muslims to take the place of the police, the court, the executioner and terrorize people whom they accuse of crime? Don't we have a penal system to deal with these matters? Should citizens take the law in their own hands? This is in itself against the law. What this doctor is ostensibly proposing here is anarchy.  We have a whole structure set in place to deal with criminals. Under what law average citizens can assume the role of the entire legal system? This is insanity! 

    Furthermore, in every non-Islamic country the rate of crime among Muslims is much higher than the average population. France has a high rate of crime confined mostly to it’s Muslim population. In Netherlands the rate of the crime has jumped 11% in just one year and it is exclusively because of Muslims. In an article published in Times, Lahor, April 2001, Khaled Ahmed reported that the crime rate among Pakistanis in UK "is higher than in any other community. Fully 2 percent of the prisoners rotting in British jails are Pakistanis, the highest for any one community." In Australia raping the white girls by Muslim youths has become a national problem. What are the excuses of these Muslim rapists? That "in Islamic countries girls don't dress like this!" 

    It would be naïf to take Dr. Naik's justification of terrorism by its face value. What this snake-oil salesman actually means by anti-social elements are the non-Muslims and those who resist conversion. According to him I would be an anti-social element that have to be killed. Have I committed rape, theft or any crime? I and people like me are considered anti social because we speak our minds and Muslims can't handle that. Are Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasrin anti-social elements? What about Theo Van Gogh? Was he an anti social element?  

    After glorifying and justifying terrorism and hyping his students to become terrorists, making them believe this is a divine mandate and a wonderful thing to do, Dr. Naik will then explain to his foolhardy alumni that "shirk is worse than killing" and the unbelievers are worse than thieves, dacoits, rapists and murderers. Therefore it is incumbent upon Muslims, to instill terror in the hearts of non-Muslims and kill them wherever they find them. To determine their innocence or guilt it is enough to ask them whether they want to convert to Islam or not. 

    Ironically, since according to the Quran, these non-Muslims by rejecting Islam have committed the worst crime imaginable, their property can be stolen and their wives and daughters can be raped. Thus Muslims who joined Dr. Naiks school to fight the dacoits, BECOME the dacoits, the criminals and the thugs.

     http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina51022.htm

    See also The World's Greatest Showman 

    By Shagufta -



  • Janab Sultan Shaheen salaam

     

    It really pleases me that my post has at least transformed a MOOK DARSHAK into someone who is ready to participate and involve more actively, any sea change, either in society or within a personality has its price and this time it was not in traces and strands but in truck loads of it (anger) all directed at me. What pained me that you wasted your very first paragraph playing the school teacher which was certainly not necessary?  As I am a tiny David compared to a Goliath where journalistic writing is concerned needless to mention who is the Goliath here…..it really doesn’t matter that David had a better Cause because in the New Age  that you keep referring to, people are only interested in  might, power and position , right or wrong is seldom discussed.    

    It also surprises me that just to prove your point about Jockeys being pictured only on a horse back you failed to mentioned more colloquial radio jockeys, video jockeys  which is again a term of  New age.

    Please don’t feign fear,  I will not give you the same treatment that I gave to friends of Yazeed lanati because I firmly believe you are not, I new it all along,  that you have been reading all my posts all these months good or bad really doesn’t matter for  a  Mook darshak. As regard to your reference to the likes of Jamshed Bashas and Shamshad Elahee Ansaris they may be holding respectable portfolios in the worldly sense but they are big zeros where Islam is concerned also my reference was more in terms of  an example than direct reference to real people,  when we talk about Islam everyone is timid and small considering the magnitude of the Subject, you may know them personally and may be impressed and awed by their worldly achievement, I only know them through what they write here on NewageIslam.com and judge their weight by the side they take …

    Hazrat Ali Ibn abitalib  (As) has said “see what is being said, do not see who is saying it” Jamshed basha took the side of the Yazeed lanati so I weighed him along with the devil himself and the same is applicable in this New age too because Yazeed lanati was the first terrorist in the history of Islam so he left a foolproof yardstick to measure as to who is on the side of the terrorists and who is on the side of the innocent sufferers, just as in present time,  some hold Osama bin Laden and his likes as terrorists and some argue that he is a Jihadi of some sorts I don’t know what  Mook Darshaks would say about this,  but I am certainly and with full force standing with oppressed and send Lanat a thousand times on Yazid and his supporters Of the seventh century Arabia and I also send lanat on the terrorists  and their supporters of the 21st century  Asia. 7th century Arabia decided who is wrong and who is right and that is why has to be remembered in our daily life, to be able to defend ourselves and condemn the oppressors. It is all about the 7th century in fact, Islam was bestowed upon the world in this century, how any Muslim can plead to forget the time?

    To sum it up I only have to say that if I have in any way hurt your feelings (or should I say ego) please forgive and move on with your life and continue the good work that you are doing,  I know every good work comes with a price and its own little flaws, now it is for you to find the flows and remove them, I fully trust your good mind, only if you be a little more enlightened about Islam that would suffice.

    I have heard that ‘Gussey me log aksar English bola karte hain per aap to urdu bolne lage? This is to leave you with a smile.

    Nb: please don’t play the English teacher this time,  I am too small a subject to be chosen for ridicule.

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Hazrat Ali Ibn abitalib  (As) has said “see what is being said, do not see who is saying it” [Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez ]

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    Reference please..

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Demolish Kafir/ Mushrik/ Munafiq-manufacturing factories, says Sultan Shahin, defending New Age Islam against Talibani onslaught [NEW AGE ISLAM]

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    Dear Sultan Sahab,

    Main problem in Indo-Pak is that Muslim blindly follow their Imams:

     

    Linguistically, taqleed means: Placing something around the neck, which encircles the neck. Technically it means: Following he whose sayings is not a proof (hujjah).


    Exlcuded from our saying, "following he whose saying is not a proof" is: following the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW).


    "Indeed the people of Truth and the Sunnah do not follow anyone [unconditionally] except the messenger of Allaah SAW, the one who does not speak from his desires - it is only revelation revealed to him." [by Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah, Majmoo'ah al-Fataawaa, vol 3, page 216, Daar Ibn Hazm Print, Trans: Aboo 'Abdis-Salaam]


    Interpretation of the Meaning:

    O you who believe! Obey Allâh and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allâh and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. [The Noble Qur'an 4:59]


    Abu Haneefah (d. 150H) (rahimahullaah) said: "Adhere to the athar (narration) and the tareeqah (way) of the Salaf (Pious Predecessors) and beware of newly invented matters for all of it is innovation"

    [Reported by As-Suyootee in Sawn al Mantaq wal-Kalaam p.32]

    Ibn al-Qayyim said,

     

    " And it is as Abu Umar (ibn Abdul Barr) said: Indeed, the people do not differ about the fact that knowledge is the realisation attained from proof, but without proof, it is only taqleed."


    Ibn al-Qayyim said,


    "There are three sayings about the permissibility of giving fatwaa based upon taqleed:

     

    1) It is not permissible to give fatwaa based upon taqleed, because it is not knowledge; since issuing a fatwaa without knowledge is forbidden. This is the saying of most of the Hanbalee scholars and the majority of the Shaafi'iyyah.

     

    2) That it is permissible with regards to himself, but it is not permissible to give a fatwaa to others based upon taqleed.

     

    3) That it is permissible when there is a need for it, and there is no mujtahid scholar. And this is the most correct of the sayings and is what is acted upon."'

     

    Imam Ibn Katheer, rahimahullaah, said:

     

    "And what is apparent, and Allaah knows best, is that it is general for all those who are in authority (oolul-amr), from the rulers and the scholars."

     

    Shaykhul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah said:

     

    "This is why those who are in authority are of two groups: the scholars and the rulers. If they are upright, the people will be upright; if they are corrupt, the people will be corrupt."

     

    "It should be realised that the rulers are to be obeyed if they command what knowledge necessitates. So obedience to them follows on from obedience to the scholars. Indeed obedience is only in that which is good and that which is obligated by knowledge. So just as obedience to the scholars follows on from obedience to the Messenger, then obedience to the rulers follows on from obedience to the scholars." [Imaam Ibn al-Qayyim, r.a.]

     

    The Problem

     

    "Blind" following refers to following a person (including self) when the instructions are clearly not in accordance with Qur'an and Sunnah. To do so is a form of shirk, because at its core is a denial of a part of the Revelation, and to deny a single ayat of Revelation is to deny it all.

     

    Many muslims treat the noble Imaams (Imaam Shafii, Imaam Malik, etc.) as though their words are protected from error. For some people, the words of an Imaam are taken as "gospel" and followed exclusively (as if it were revelation). Even if a verse from the Quraan or an authentic saying of the Messenger is brought as an argument against what their chosen Imaam said, their followers forsake what Allah or the Messenger, saaws, said and follow their Imaams. This dangerous position leads to blind taqleed (following) of humans at the expense of revelation.

     

    One such example of this is that Imaam Malik did not raise his hands during the takbeer

    because they had been crippled to where he could not raise them as should be done in the salah. Muslims who choose to blindly follow Imaam Malik will not raise their hands during the takbeer, even though their is clear proof to do so. There are examples too numerous to list here, examples of senseless adherence to the ways or teachings of men, teachings that are contradictory to the proof.

     

    Some muslims blindly follow modern leaders (such as W. Deen Mohammed, the Tableegh, or the highly deviating Imaam at the local masjid), even when the man calls the people to actions and beliefs that are clearly opposing Quran and Sunnah. Once again, this is an act of elevating a person's words over the Speech of Allah (i.e. the Quran), if at any time we reject the clear revelation and instead act upon or embrace the contrary teachings of a person.

     

    Just like we are to obey our parents unless they call us to the haram (prohibited), we may follow the guidance of men unless they call us to error.


    This condition of ignorance and blind following was given by Revelation from Allah to the Messenger, Muhammed, saaws, who said:


    Verily, Allah does not take away knowledge by snatching it from the people, but (this is done) by causing (the death) of the scholars until none of them is left alive. People would then appoint ignorant leaders for themselves who would be consulted in matters of religion and they would give Fatawas without knowledge, falling into misguidance and misguiding others. [Muslim].


    Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah, rahimahullaah, said:



    "And the four Imaams, may Allaah be pleased with them, all forbade the people from blindly following them in all that they may say; and this was an obligation upon them [to do]."


    Abu Haneefah (rahimahullaah) said:

     

    "When a hadeeth is found to be saheeh, then that is my madhhab."


    [Ibn 'Aabideen in al-Haashiyah (1/63) and in his essay Rasm al-Mufti (1/4 from the Compilation of the Essays of Ibn 'Aabideen), Shaikh Saalih al-Fulaani in Eeqaaz al-Himam (p. 62) and others. Ibn 'Aabideen quoted from Sharh al-Hidaayah by Ibn al-Shahnah al-Kabeer, the teacher of Ibn al-Humaam]


    "It is haram (prohibited) for someone who does not know my evidence to give fatwaa (verdicts) on the basis of my words." Another narration adds, "... for we are mortals: we say one thing one day, and take it back the next day." [Ibn 'Abdul Barr in Al-Intiqaa' fi Fadaa'il ath-Thalaathah al-A'immah al-Fuqahaa' (p. 145), Ibn al-Qayyim in I'laam al-Mooqi'een (2/309), Ibn 'Aabideen in his Footnoes on Al-Bahr ar-Raa'iq (6/293) and in Rasm al-Mufti (pp. 29, 32) & Sha'raani in Al-Meezaan (1/55) with the second narration. Similar narrations exist on the authority of Abu Haneefah's companions Zafar, Abu Yoosuf and 'Aafiyah ibn Yazeed; cf. Eeqaaz (p. 52). Ibn al-Qayyim firmly certified its authenticity on the authority of Abu Yoosuf in I'laam al-Mooqi'een (2/344).]


    "When I say something contradicting the Book of Allah the Exalted or what is narrated from the Messenger (saaws), then ignore my saying."


    [Al-Fulaani in Eeqaaz al-Himam (p. 50), tracing it to Imaam Muhammad and then saying, "This does not apply to the mujtahid, for he is not bound to their views anyway, but it applies to the muqallid."]


    Imaam Maalik ibn Anas (rahimahullaah) said:


    "Truly I am only a mortal: I make mistakes (sometimes) and I am correct (sometimes). Therefore, look into my opinions: all that agrees with the Book and the Sunnah, accept it; and all that does not agree with the Book and the Sunnah, ignore it."

    [Ibn 'Abdul Barr in Jaami' Bayaan al-'Ilm (2/32), Ibn Hazm, quoting from the former in Usool al-Ahkaam (6/149), and similarly Al-Fulaani (p. 72)]

     

    Imaam Shaafi'i (Rahimahullaah) said:

     

    "The sunnahs of the Messenger of Allah (saaws) reach, as well as escape from, every one of us. So whenever I voice my opinion, or formulate a principle, where something contrary to my view exists on the authority of the Messenger of Allah (saaws), then the correct view is what the Messenger of Allah (saaws) has said, and it is my view."


    [Related by Haakim with a continuous sanad up to Shaafi'i, as in Taareekh Dimashq of Ibn 'Asaakir (15/1/3), I'laam al-Mooqi'een (2/363, 364) & Eeqaaz (p. 100).]

     

    Ahmad ibn Hanbal (rahimahullaah) said:


    "Do not follow my opinion; neither follow the opinion of Maalik, nor Shaafi'i, nor Awzaa'i, nor Thawri, but take from where they took."

     

    [Fulaani (p. 113) & Ibn al-Qayyim in I'laam (2/302).]

     

    "Do not copy your Deen from anyone of these, but whatever comes from the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) and his Companions, take it; next are their Successors, where a man has a choice."


    "Following (ittibaa') means that a man follows what comes from the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) and his Companions; after the Successors, he has a choice."

     

    [Abu Daawood in Masaa'il of Imaam Ahmad (pp. 276-7)]



    "The opinion of Awzaa'i, the opinion of Maalik, the opinion of Abu Haneefah: all of it is opinion, and it is all equal in my eyes. However, the proof is in the narrations (from the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) and his Companions)."

     

    [Ibn `Abdul Barr in Jaami' Bayaan al-'Ilm (2/149).]

     

    "Whoever rejects a statement of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) is on the brink of destruction."

     

    [Ibn al-Jawzi (p. 182)2)]

    Muslims should be obedient to their Imam except when given evidence that is clearly contrary to the Imam's guidance on any particular matter. This evidence should be from the Qur'an and/or Sunnah, as explained by the righteous Islamic scholars of the first three generations of righteous muslims after the revelation of the Qur'an.


    Sharh Usool ul-I'tiqaad (1/9) - Imaam al-Laalikaa'ee (d. 418H) (rh) said:


    "That which is most obligatory upon a Muslim:


    And among the mightiest of statements and clearest of proofs and understandings is:


    1. The Book of Allaah, the Manifest Truth

    2. Then the saying of the Messenger of Allaah

    3. And of his Companions, the chosen, pious ones

    4. Then that which the Salaf us-Saalih were unanimously agreed upon

    5. The holding fast to all of that and remaining firm upon it till the Day of Judgement

    6. Then turning away from the innovations and from listening to them - from amongst those things the astray people have invented"

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  

    Janab Sulatan Shaheen salaam

     

    It really pleases me that my post has at least transformed a MOOK DARSHAK into someone who is ready to participate and involve more actively, any sea change, either in society or within a personality has its price and this time it was not in traces and strands but in truck loads of it (anger) all directed at me. What pained me that you wasted your very first paragraph playing the school teacher which was certainly not necessary?  As I am a tiny David compared to a Goliath where journalistic writing is concerned needless to mention who is the Goliath here…..it really doesn’t matter that David had a better Cause because in the New Age  that you keep referring to, people are only interested in  might, power and position , right or wrong is seldom discussed.    

    It also surprises me that just to prove your point about Jockeys being pictured only on a horse back you failed to mentioned more colloquial radio jockeys, video jockeys  which is again a term of  New age.

    Please don’t feign fear,  I will not give you the same treatment that I gave to friends of Yazeed lanati because I firmly believe you are not, I new it all along,  that you have been reading all my posts all these months good or bad really doesn’t matter for  a  Mook darshak. As regard to your reference to the likes of Jamshed Bashas and Shamshad Elahee Ansaris they may be holding respectable portfolios in the worldly sense but they are big zeros where Islam is concerned also my reference was more in terms of  an example than direct reference to real people,  when we talk about Islam everyone is timid and small considering the magnitude of the Subject, you may know them personally and may be impressed and awed by their worldly achievement, I only know them through what they write here on NewageIslam.com and judge their weight by the side they take …

    Hazrat Ali Ibn abitalib  (As) has said “see what is being said, do not see who is saying it” Jamshed basha took the side of the Yazeed lanati so I weighed him along with the devil himself and the same is applicable in this New age too because Yazeed lanati was the first terrorist in the history of Islam so he left a foolproof yardstick to measure as to who is on the side of the terrorists and who is on the side of the innocent sufferers, just as in present time,  some hold Osama bin Laden and his likes as terrorists and some argue that he is a Jihadi of some sorts I don’t know what  Mook Darshaks would say about this,  but I am certainly and with full force standing with oppressed and send Lanat a thousand times on Yazid and his supporters Of the seventh century Arabia and I also send lanat on the terrorists  and their supporters of the 21st century  Asia. 7th century Arabia decided who is wrong and who is right and that is why has to be remembered in our daily life, to be able to defend ourselves and condemn the oppressors. It is all about the 7th century in fact, Islam was bestowed upon the world in this century, how any Muslim can plead to forget the time?

    To sum it up I only have to say that if I have in any way hurt your feelings (or should I say ego) please forgive and move on with your life and continue the good work that you are doing,  I know every good work comes with a price and its own little flaws, now it is for you to find the flows and remove them, I fully trust your good mind, only if you be a little more enlightened about Islam that would suffice.

    I have heard that ‘Gussey me log aksar English bola karte hain per aap to urdu bolne lage? This is to leave you with a smile.

    Nb: please don’t play the English teacher this time,  I am too small a subject to be chosen for ridicule.

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Demolish Kafir/ Mushrik/ Munafiq-manufacturing factories, says Sultan Shahin, defending New Age Islam against Talibani onslaught [NEW AGE ISLAM]

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    Dear Sultan Sahab,

    For kind perusal of Deobandi-Barelwi-Ahl-e-Hadith and Shia [Kafir Manufacuring Mullah Factories of INDO-PAK]

    Muslim cannot issue a Fatwa of Kufr [Apostasy] against the People of Qiblah

    because Quran says

    According to the Quran, if a person says assalamu alaikum to us to indicate that he is a Muslim, we cannot say to him ``you are not a believer.''

    O ye who believe! When ye go forth (to fight) in the way of Allah, be careful to discriminate, and say not unto one who offereth you peace: "Thou art not a believer," seeking the chance profits of this life (so that ye may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils. Even thus (as he now is) were ye before; but Allah hath since then been gracious unto you. Therefore take care to discriminate. Allah is ever Informed of what ye do. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 94]

    The second thing we learn from this verse is that if, from among a non-Muslim people, a person addresses us by assalamu alaikum, that is sufficient proof that he is a Muslim. When such incidents took place during the Holy Prophet's life-time, sometimes it was suspected by some Muslims that such a person was not sincere.

    But the Holy Prophet would say to them: ``Did you tear open his heart to see what was in it?'' [Muslim]

    ``Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.''(Abu Dawud, Book of Sunna)

    ``Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.''(Bukhari, Book of Ethics)

    The teaching contained in these hadith is meant to stop Muslims from dubbing each other as sinners and kafirs.

    ``Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)

    ``Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka`ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.''(Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir)

    ``Three things are the basis of faith. [One is] to withhold from one who says `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call him kafir for any sin, nor expel him from Islam for any misconduct.''(Abu Dawud, Book of Jihad)

    There are many other hadith prohibiting that the ``people of the Qibla'' be dubbed as kafir. Such a great sin is it that the Holy Prophet issued the warning:

    ``Whoever attributes kufr [unbelief] to a believer, he is like his murderer.''(Tirmizi, ch. Iman (Faith); See also Bukhari, Book of Ethics)

    Since in India and Pakistan Imam Abu Hanifah's Fiqh [Deobandi and Barelvis follow the Fiqh of Imam Abu Hanifah] is followed:

    Takfir of Muslims is also prohibited in the standard, classical works of Islamic law (fiqh) and creed (`aqa'id) accepted by the Ahl as-Sunna.

    ``And among the doctrines of the Ahl as-Sunna is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called kafir.''(Sharh `Aqa'id Nasfi, p. 121)

    Regarding Imam Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi system of Islamic law, which has more followers than any other system in Islam, it is written:

    ``He did not call as kafir anyone from among the people of the Qibla.'' (Sharh Mawaqif, fifth part)

    He said: ``Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that which made him enter it.'' (Rad al-Mukhtar, vol. iii, p. 310)

    ``It is extremely serious to expel a Muslim from the faith.'' (Sharh Shifa, vol. ii, p. 500)

    ``A ruling of takfir against a Muslim should not be given if it is possible to interpret his words in a favourable manner.'' (Rad al-Mukhtar, Book of Jihad, ch. on Apostasy)

    ``As for statements of takfir found in books of rulings (fatwa), these are not proof if the authors are unknown and the arguments are missing, because in matters of faith, beliefs depend on conclusive proof, and the takfir of a Muslim is attended with troubles of all sorts.'' (Sharh Fiqh Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari)

    Mulla Ali Qari in Sharh Fiqh Akbar

    ``They say regarding the issue of kufr that if there are ninety-nine reasons for considering someone as kafir, and only one reason against it, the mufti and the judge is bound to act according to that one reason for negating the kufr.''

    Sayyid Muhammad Abidin

    ``If there are many reasons in any matter for the application of kufr [considering someone as kafir], and one reason for its negation, the judge must incline towards the reason which negates takfir, giving the Muslim the benefit of the doubt.'' (Sil al-Hisan al-Hindi, p. 45)

    Husain Ahmad Madani

    This well-known Deobandi theologian of this century has written in his autobiography Naqsh-i Hayat:

    ``All great scholars are unanimous in holding that if, out of hundred ingredients of the belief of some Muslim, ninety-nine are those of unbelief, and merely one of true Islamic faith, it is not allowed to call him kafir, nor does his life or property become violable. In fact, Hazrat Gangohi [a founder of Deoband religious school] clearly states in his Anwar al-Qulub that the saying of the jurists about ninety-nine grounds does not set a limit, and that if 999 out of a thousand points in the belief of a Muslim are unbelief (kufr) and only one is true belief, even then he cannot be called kafir.'' (Naqsh-i Hayat, Bait-ut-Tauhid, Karachi, 1953, vol. i. p. 126)

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Our nation is left with no common sense. We believe that the whole world is conspiring against us. This attitude reminds me of a folk tale where a villager goes to the city to visit a mela (fair). While enjoying himself, in the confusion and bustle of the crowd, his blanket is lost. On his return to the village, people ask him about the mela. His reply: “What mela? It was all a conspiracy to steal my blanket!”

    Having said that let me remind all that the concept of 72 waiting is not in The Qur'an which is the Criterion of right and wrong for any Muslim. I find it hard to believe that all those who are fighting against oppression are doing to for 72 houris alone. There are legitimage causes where one must fight back or you end up encouaging oppression. The Palestinians are an example. Darfuris are another against the Arab Janjaweed. Home grown resistance against oppression in Kashmir also comes to mind. Sometimes, UN resolutions that are not enforced, negotiations that are done to buy time and agreements are meant to exist on paper only result in people taking up arms against oppression and occupation.

    I agree this industry of Takfeer is most damaging to Muslims themselves where self styled Jihadis take it upon themselves to resort to violence. This must be tackled in a serious way. Some are trying to do so and you may visit this website of a former Takfeeris who have been there, done that: http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/

     

    By Mubashir Inayet -



  • You ask me to stand up for Islam and not stay neutral. But which Islam and what Islam are you talking about. Pakistan’s Munir commission explored the definition of Islam and the question who is a Muslim in the 1950s. No two scholars of Islam agreed on a common minimum definition. Let us try and sort this question out first on New Age Islam. Let us all think and give our views. I have already given mine. Am I staying neutral? No I have raised fairly explosive questions, but you are not concerned as they are not about whether or not Yazeed is a lanati. [Sultan Shahin]

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    Here lies the so-called Muslim Ummah! - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/here-lies-so-called-muslim-ummah-1.html

    Here lies the so-called Muslim Ummah! - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/here-lies-so-called-muslim-ummah-2.html

    Here lies the so-called Muslim Ummah! - 3

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/here-lies-so-called-muslim-ummah-3.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Demolish Kafir/ Mushrik/ Munafiq-manufacturing factories, says Sultan Shahin.

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    I agree with Mr Shahin:

    The Takfiris make unlicensed Takfeer of Governments and scholars and call the common-folk to bloody revolution as a way to remove such governments and establish Islaamic Law.

    http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/downloads/pdf/MSC060006.pdf

    1- Al-Khawaarij
     
    http://abdurrahman.org/innovation/khawarij.html
     
    2- Characteristics of Al-Khawaarij
     
    http://abdurrahman.org/innovation/Deviant_Path__Charcteristics_of_Khawaarij__Sh_Al-Khumayyis.pdf
     
    3- Khawarij Renewed Indeology.
     
    http://abdurrahman.org/innovation/Khawaarij-renewedIdeology.pdf

    By Aamir Mughal -



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    I must truly congratulate you Madame Sayyeda Kaneez Fatima for your great olfactory sense. You are a truly gifted person to be able to perceive what people smell like from their writings. So I smell like rat; I must really be more respectful of rats than I have been so far.

     

    As for my being a casino jockey, you alone seem to have the experience of casinos to judge for sure. I thought jockeys used to ride horses. Do casinos have horses too? Ring master? What are they? Probably the ones who manage wrestling shows? You do go places, Madame Fatima? Very experienced of the world, you are. Almost as much, as you are knowledgeable about historical trivia in the field of the dirty Arab politics of the 7th century.

     

    Yes, I do try to maintain a certain distance with these debates once I have given you the debating point. While the site and its jockey – see I am already beginning to warm up to the idea of a horse ride in a casino – do have a viewpoint on a lot of issues, I do not want the readers to feel that I am imposing or even promoting this viewpoint in any way. My attitude is that of a student, a rather curious student, who would ask a question and see you scholars discussing it and in the process learning and also having the satisfaction of having provided a forum for other Muslims and non-Muslims to learn about things they may not have known about. I want everybody to feel free to discuss their point of view without interference from the management of New Age Islam as much as possible.

     

    But my less than adequate participation is partly also out of lack of knowledge of the subjects you are talking about. You are a denizen of the 7th century, while I am trying to adapt to and accommodate the demands of the 21st century. I keep trying to drag you to my Age, a remarkably New Age, with its remarkably New challenges, but you are too strongly attached to the idea of living in the long and largely irrelevant past. There are concerns and subjects that I am somewhat knowledgeable about, but these don’t interest you at all. I keep throwing in points of debate but you won’t respond. For instance, I would indeed like to know why some women would want to go to heaven so desperately that they would be willing to don bomb-belts and blow up Muslims of other sects. What is in it for them? We know why some Muslim men are eager to reach Heaven, but what about women? What is in it for them? This is a burning question of the 21st century, but you won’t take it up. Your wrath would be reserved for the person who asks the question. Your brain must already be swelling with words and expressions of Islamic abuse. Lanati? Yazeed Ka aulad? Israel ka agent? Hinduon ka agent? Waghairah, waghairah. But the question remains; many questions like this remain and need to be discussed thoroughly.

     

    Hits?  Yes, I certainly want your comments and articles to reach as wider a readership as possible. I am currently engaged in site optimisation. Recent redesigning of the site was also a part of that process. What would be the point of running a website which has no readers? For increasing earning? No. Not yet, anyway. I do intend to be able to earn enough to continue to fund the site. Or I may decide to request donations from readers or both. I don’t know yet. Haven’t given much thought to it. First thing is to have a proper site that can carry on informed discussions on subjects of concern to Muslims worldwide and hopefully to provide a direction to some Muslims for taking right decisions in the present difficult times for the community. But running a site does require money and we will have to find a way to do that.

     

    You ask me to stand up for Islam and not stay neutral. But which Islam and what Islam are you talking about. Pakistan’s Munir commission explored the definition of Islam and the question who is a Muslim in the 1950s. No two scholars of Islam agreed on a common minimum definition. Let us try and sort this question out first on New Age Islam. Let us all think and give our views. I have already given mine. Am I staying neutral? No I have raised fairly explosive questions, but you are not concerned as they are not about whether or not Yazeed is a lanati.

     

    Forgive me for saying so, but I am really pained at only one thing: your description of” Jamshed bashaas/ Shamshad Elahee Ansaris “as my courtiers. These are very respectable gentlemen at the top of their chosen professions. Why on earth would they like to join my court, even if I had one? Are you also implying that they get some sort of preferential treatment on the site because they support my viewpoint more often than oppose them in their write-ups? Or are you just missing the company of your former sparring partners, particularly Mr. Jamsheed Basha. They probably do not want to engage in duels with you any more as you became too abusive, instead of just being argumentative. Anyone who engages in a conversation with you, as I am doing now, runs the risk of at least being called a Lanati, if not also a yazeed ka aulad. You seem to have put off some of your discussants with offensive remarks that I was not able to delete in time, as this is basically a non-monitored site. However, those discussions were good and informative, even though on subjects that are truly inconsequential in most parts. For us to be able to decide today, for instance, who was right or wrong in the seventh century Arab politics is a little presumptive. And then our jumping at each others’ throats for holding a certain view of that politics is truly awful.

     

    Do tell me, please, if you detected any “traces of hidden anger” in my letter. Did “the pent up anger” in me “surface here and there despite” my “expertise at writing”.

     

    God has gifted you not only with an unusual olfactory sense but also an intuitive quality reminiscent of our great Sufi saints and Rishis. You could even make or perhaps already are a great psychiatrist.

     

    Sultan Shahin

     

    By Sultan Shahin -



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    Janab Sultan Shahin sahib…salaam

     

    We welcome both those who call Dr Zakir Nayak a kafir and those who warn against the kafir-manufacturing factories rampant in Muslim lands. You will find here people who call Yazid Lanati (accursed) and also those who call him Rahmatullah Alaih, both arguing and contesting each others’ points of view fiercely (sultan shahin).

     

    Please don’t sound like a ring master or a casino jockey who has no interest in, who wins who loses, only interested in his own earnings ‘Naal',/Trp/hits, Islam is not about just watching from a safe distance, Islam is about actively participating with what is HAQ, Islam is not about staying quiet with vested Interests (In the name of providing a platform like newageIslam.com), Islam is about standing up and protesting what is wrong and advocating what is right.

     

    You certainly smell like a rat when you chide about the description of Heaven in holy Quran in your article, If you are Muslim then you would certainly know, that in no capacity you are qualified to comment on the ‘Ayas’ of the holy Quran in bad light,  if you do,  you will deservingly  land up in one of the factories you have mentioned so detestably,

    In your response to the message of Mr. Yousaf,  though you have tried to maintain your cool, but the pent up anger has surfaced here and there despite your expertise at writing. So my good Advice to yourself is, that you don’t have to stay neutral, instead come out with full force against what you feel is wrong, but at the same time, remaining well within the domain of our beautiful and complete religion Islam.

    Please don’t be carried away with the urge to paint a secular picture of yourself in accordance  to present day definition of secularism,  instead you should highlight secularist nature of Islam, you don’t have to criticise and portray Islam in bad light to drive your point home and act friendly with people who point a maligned finger at Islam. Instead you try to counter such elements with ‘Hiqmat’ and knowledge rather than trying to please them by chiding about your own religion which you do not fully understand. Dear sir I am sure you have a good mind though your hands are tied where true Islamic knowledge is concerned and which ultimately leads to Actual flawless faith and nearness of Allah almighty.

    You have the gift of the gab and the basics to do real good for our religion only you need to polish your faith, and this can be achieved by extensive reading of the Holy Quran with understanding and ending every time  with prayers to Allah swt to bestow true faith…and please don’t be carried away with misguided supporters such as Jamshed bashaas/ Shamshad Elahee Ansaris for their likes are nothing but the modern versions of courtiers who would say ‘Wah Wah’ at each and every Uterrance of the king. (You can smile now, because the simile is used to describe you). If you feel, you can reply, but without traces of hidden anger, this would be much appreciated. 

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Dear Sultan Shahin Saheb,

     

    Thank you very much indeed for your explanation, though it was really uncalled for. You proved your democratic credentials while responding to a sling of a medieval mindset indeed. Usually, such elements start cursing, abusing or issuing certificates in the name of God or Islam when they find themselves close to the wall; a few of them these days even go to the extent of lynching to silence the voice which they don't like to hear. Mr. Yousaf has done to you everything he could and he can go beyond this too provided he has an opportunity and access.

     

    This is the real danger of our era. A barbaric mind-set in the twenty first century!

     

    This is actually the dilemma of Islam. We don’t even have an iota of belief that would enable us to accommodate a new thought or to accept criticism. The term "Ijtihad" is dead though there are some impressive initiatives to revive this great tradition, including New Age Islam which is a rather feeble force in front of the heavy weights of the powerful “religious” (I will not name it “Islamic”) goons. You rightly said that there are more regressive comments on the site than progressive or constructive ones, nevertheless quality is always more important than quantity. Please carry on your mission despite the grave challenges. Yousaf is just a small reaction. Never Mind. Sometimes, silence is the best reply to such elements.

    Best Regards

     

    Shamshad Elahee Ansari

    By Shamshad Elahee Ansari -