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  • Dr.Naik is a notorious Arabian imperialist. He hates non-Muslims. By C.Sugumar - 4/8/2015 11:29:44 PM



  • Hazrat Khwaja Moinuddin Chisti (R.A) says: "Shah ast Hussain : Paadshah ast Hussain; Deen ast Hussain : Deen panaah ast Hussain ; Sar daad na daad dast dar dast-e-yajeed : Haqqa ke bina la ilaha ast Hussain." Those who venerate yajeed let him be their master for Peerane peer Ghouse ul aazam Dastageer says : " for those who have no Sheikh for them Shaitan is their sheikh." We do believe in the finality of the Prophethood and that the roots of Spirituality rest in the household of our Holy Prophet (SAS) By Shaik Iqbal Ahamed - 9/10/2012 8:51:11 AM



  • Islamic faith is  very simple based on KALMA : LA ILA HA-There is none worthy of worhip
    IL LAL LA-except God/Allah/Parmatm MUHAMMADUR RASUL ALLAH-Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is the (last) Messenger/Prophet/Sandeshwahk of Allah/Rab/Parmatma
    Summary of Quran and Hadis is
    BRING EEMAN ON ONENESS OF GOD, AND DO GOOD DEEDS FOLLOW ALLAH AND HIS RASUL/MESSENGER IN ALL FIELDS OF LIFE By MOHD SULEMAN - 7/21/2012 2:39:44 AM



  • This is in reply to Muhammad Hossain... You are saying that try to pick good things, which is not at all correct. While listening to others one must see that sayer is trustworthy. A person with bad intention can say good things, with his own bad intentions. As far as I know Zakir Naik I found him to be very high headed for what he is and what he achieved. He tries to run down whoever cross questions him. He likes sensationalism. No doubt he is very sharp with his memory and intelligence but other attributes negates all these positivity. By Mohammad Anwar - 6/17/2012 3:41:22 PM



  • Mr. Muhammad Hossain: My dear, first of all I wish to remind you that you are reading an English version of the article here originally written in Urdu by Dr. Maulana Abbas Ali Naqvi. Secondly, it is a persnal point of view of the author, there is no compulsion and force upon anyone to agree with it as the author has simply expressed his thoughts and given his comments.

    You are free to go your own way whatsoever it is; no one is going to stop you from treading your own path of belief. Anyway, I think having discussion and giving opinion upon any pressing issue in public in the knowledge of the person without charging the concerned person with a guilt is not "Gheebah". Here we just discuss the issues related to Islam and the Muslims and try to reach a consensus upon it to help ourselves and our brethren.

    By Raihan Nezami - 6/15/2012 10:28:08 PM



  • @ Nezami. Brother I don't know many things of Islam, even all the muslim scholars don't know everything about Islam. For Dr. Zakir Naik, he never claims himself as a scholar; he always titled himself as a student of comparative religions that is why he gives references in his lectures. I watched the lecture "Unity Among the Muslims". In his whole lecture he only said one thing in zest that muslims should follow the Quran and Sahih Hadit but not devide themselves. What is wrong with it??? now u r coming up with his finance source. For this thing Indian government should be concerned not u brother. My request to u brother, at least try to pick good things from him not to criticize him on his back, which is HARAM in Islam that u know. For me I will obey Quran first, then Sahih Hadit and that is enough for me to lead this life. And Yes brother don't make yourself A KAFIR blaming another Muslim as KAFIR. U should think about ur consequences for this in after life . May Allah's blessing be with u. By Muhammad Hossain - 6/15/2012 5:06:39 PM



  • Mr Shiv is somewhat correct in his point when he says - Dr Zakir Naik is doing some good works too for the general unity of the human beings in the larger sense. Of course, he representing Muslims and spreading the light of Quran and Sunnah among diverse audience that is commendable, but in the process sometimes he commits blunders when he tries to widen the rift among different sects among the Muslims - that is unpardonable. By Raihan Nezami - 3/31/2012 10:09:00 AM



  • Hey,,Dr. Zakir Naik is one of the most influential man in the world..Every One knows that Zakir always says only truth. Do You think that A Doctor never got an illness ? If he said something wrong ignore it and accept the message of Truth and see how he represent Islam in the right perspective. Y did you never tried to spread the Messages of Islam in the whole Universe? Dr. zakir naik about the Unity of Muslim Ummah is the best way to unit muslims of all sects. Whenever You see and Hear his lecture Just Imagine one more thing that not only the "Unity of Muslim Ummah" But "Unity of Human Being" are there in the Crowd where all type of Religious Peoples come. May Allah Grant him Jannah. U know, World is searching the Solution for the Present Problem, He is the person who tried to show us the Solution for the All Problems by the Grace of Allah. Don't Hate but Love to each other and show the Unity... By Shiv - 3/31/2012 5:15:51 AM



  • zakir naik is highiy knowledgeble, he is doing a great duty, may god bless him By khadeer - 3/22/2012 8:56:16 PM



  • @Firoz: Mr. Zakir naik is not always correct, you know he is working on the western mission to divide and create a gulf among the Muslims so that the western powers may keep their policies going on and their arms and amunition be sold to the divided Mslim countries. May Allah give you finest understanding of the right and wrong. By Raihan Nezami - 3/12/2012 8:57:13 AM



  • @Hasan: "Haza mafi ghebeeah", we are discussing here what un-Islamic thoughts and opinion Mr. Nayak carries in his mind, when he pours his ugly views before the public, they may get it as the true picture of Islam and refer to others which will, of course create confusion. He should work for the unity and integrity among different sectors and categories and remind all the Muslims that our belief is the same, if any misunderstanding and misconceptions are there, they should be resolved through table-talk. One meeting is better and useful than 100 letters. This site is one of the rarest Islamic sites which are really rendering commendable service to Islam. I request you to be a regular visitor of this site and extend your valuable advice and opinion by taking part in the discussion. By Raihan Nezami - 3/12/2012 8:52:04 AM



  • @ Kamran. Don't blame Mushrik and Munafiqs. It is you who will qualify to be called Munafiq and as per your own definition because it is you who has blamed here 'your own people'. Muslims are divided not because of those whom you say Mushrik and Munafiq but because you and your relatives do not marry outside your sect. People like you continue to carry on the division hence it is you who is dividing the Muslims and then as per your definition, you stand to be Munafiq. By sadaf - 3/12/2012 12:25:07 AM



  • U who write all this against dr. Zakir naik is surely a big stupid,don't u know today every one knows what is truth and Masha Allah he teaches the truth ,may he live long to serve the humanity like this so the enimies like u will be ashamed insha Allah ... By Feroz - 3/11/2012 10:05:58 PM



  • Assalamualaikum:-

    I am a Sunni Muslim...I am from Sayyid family. I am a Hussaini. but two things are not acceptable to me:-1.use of " alahis-salam " for Hazrath Imam Hussain razi-allah-u-anho and Hazrat Imam Hasan razi-allah-u-anho. Because I think " alahis-salam" is used for the Prophets (rasool/nabi/paighambar) of Islam. 2. use of "sayyidus shoh'da" for Hazrath Imam Hussain. Because this title was given to Hazrat Hamza razi-allah-u-anho by Prophet Hazrath Muhammad (PBUH).Now the centre of debate is Zakir Saheb. He is a human being. He may have some limitations,may have mis-understanding on various issues.if we disagree with him we must talk to him and clarify the points of difference. He is doing a commnedable job by spreading the message of Islam.we should be constructive with him.Pulling his legs is not a right job just call on him, invite him and put the things in right place if there is any contradictions and mis-information.If we go through the literature of Barelvi maslak, deobandi maslak, ahle-hadis maslak, salafi maslak, sufi maslak, we will find them full of condtradictions and the ability to issue fatwas of kufr against each other.if one goes by their theories no one in India in particular is a muslim.


     

    By shahid iqbal - 4/16/2011 6:30:54 AM



  • From the time of Muhammad (PBUH), MUSHRIQS AND MUNAFIQS played a great role to stop Muslims believe in their leaders, And  it  is because of this that we’re still  divided in sections on the basis of sects  and regions .Part is being played by the Jews and Christians not by their physical presence but through us .We have lost our mind ,we always doubt on our scholars who  sincerely work for the uplift and the well understanding of slam. For God sake don’t blame ur own peoples ,Come to the sense . 

    By kamran - 1/25/2011 4:47:57 AM



  • This is a urdu shair from Iqbal's collection

     

    TUMHO AAPAS ME GAZABNAAK WO AAPAS ME RAHEEM

    TUM KHATAKARO-KHATABI WO KHATAPOSH KAREEM

    CHAAHTE SAB HAIN KE HON AUJ-SURAYYA PE MUQEEM

    PEHLE WAISA KOI PAIDA TO KARE QALB-E-SALIM

     

    I think Zakir Naik is a great scholar of Islam. Before commenting on him first try become better than him. Whatever he has said about yazeed, Why don't you directly talk to him. Don't do gheebat of him on internet.  

     Recently I received some emails on

     Caste and Caste-Based Discrimination among Indian Muslim

    But I think this site is creating your caste. I am really disappointed. 

    We need some very good Islamic site working toward unity and to spread Islam through net. Wassalam

    By hasan -



  • You know whatever he commented on yazeed, right or wrong, doesn’t allow you have to show his alleged speeches to degrade him. You my brother have no power to tackle the enemies of Islam, the great powers, communists all joining hands against Islam, instead its easier to give a blow to your brother. Look zakir naik, even if he has done wrong, is sharing some knowledge of Islam among people. What right did you get to start backbiting him. He is a debater, if you had the strength you would have said these things on his face, rather than on his back and you would at least get answer right from him for what he meant to say. He is still a Muslim, and of what degree you have no idea. So thing again before blaming a Muslim.

    By salman -



  • I am a Sunni and it realty hurt me when zakir saisd radiyallaho anhu to yazeed, a ture sunni muslim is the one who loves the prophet members and hate the enemies of prophet Muhammad so this is my opinion! i love the sahabah of Muhammad saw and their family which is the duty (farz) of every Muslim especially hazrat abu bakr, umar and uthman radiyallaho anhu

    By haniya ali -



  • So brother Naqvi, according to you: "At this crucial time, considering it the need of the hour, the broad-minded Khadim-e-Harmain Shareefain, King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz of Saudi Arabia has also taken initiative for this noble cause by organizing an international conference for unity among different “Maslaks”."

    So you consider the saud family as the beholder of the Muslim unity? But the saud family, since making friendship with roosevelt, has made strong bondage with the west despite being ordered by Allah not to do so in Sura Al Ma'idah (ayah 51). and roosevelt (junior) and CIA was behind the exit of Musaddeq of Iran and the rise of the shah. So the saudi kings are allowed to disobey Allah's order for their family need? How can someone expect a true step for unification of Muslim Ummah under the saudi king's leadership? The saudi king is the custodian of our beloved Masjid Al Haram and Baytullah...well, Allah is sufficient as the custodian, anybody with the wrong power can proclaim, but Allah knows best and He is THE BEST Planner.

    Anyway, brother Naqvi, let us not dwell on the differences amongst and between the sects of Islam. In that case this Ummah will never unite. Look at the non-Muslims...they are auto-united worldwide. They don't need to confer or discuss their unification. Let us now find out the commonalities amongst us and start building on that. Let us put aside our differences and criticising each other. There is a need to have a common platform for us to stand together and do the struggle against the global oppression against humanity and Islam. We are divided due to different opinions...but we do have a common enemy, don't we? The enemies of Shia are also the enemies of Sunni? PLEASE put your wisdom to bring us together. Please help the Muslim Ummah to unite on the common aspects...O Allah! Please help us, the Muslims of the end times, to unite in the way You like us to be. Ameen!!

    By Hafiz Ahsan Zaman -



  • “Innallahamalaikatahu yassalluna al an nabi ya aihoallajina amanu sallu alaihisallu taslima.”

    This is very clear from the `ayat` of the Quran that almighty is giving the direction to praise the prophet and also his family members. Is there anybody who can say that Husain is not the grandson of prophet Mohammed, so how the person or the dynasty responsible for the killing of Husain and his family and followers mercilessly be termed for peace be upon him. Ethically and even from humanitarian point of view also yazeed paleed cannot be termed as a good human being.

    Anybody giving such statement be treated as messenger of Satan only.

    By MIR RAJA ALI -



  • Dr. Zakir naik did not have sense to speak  dr. zakir naik please do suicide By umer mukhtar -



  • Dear brothers and sisters, Ham sab ko pehle yeh pata hona chahiyae ki hum sab huzoor e paak Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa ( SAW ) ki ummat hai, kya hum sab unki kurbaaniyow ko bhool gaye jo aap ne iss ummat ke liye uthaayi thi aur kya aap sab loog un ka baar baar ummat ko lekar pareshann hokar ALLAH SWAT Kke saamne ronae ko bhi bhool gaye. Yaad rakho yeh jo Islam hame mila hai yeh yunhi asaani se hame nahi mila hai.

    Agar kisi ki koi baat aap ko achhi nahi lagti hai to aap uss baat ko Quraan-e-kareem se mila kar dekho, agar woh baat Quraan-e-kareem se milti hai to sahi hai warna uss baat ko radd kardo.

    Yaad rakho ke ham sab ko hamare amaal ka jawaab dena hai.

    By Abdullah -



  • Dr. Maulana Abbas Ali Naqvi has written many things wrong which even an elementary knowledgeable person can refute... He is trying to create nothing but fitna (mischief) which is a usual game of Shia's..

    Muslims can only unite if we hold the rope of Allah and His Messenger Mohammed SAW..not in the name of Hazrat Imam Hussain R.A. as abbas naqvi mentioned.

    With regard to the Peace TV of Dr. Naik channel,  i am in the field of Research and development of Islamic channels including Peace TV,  QTV etc...it is a known fact that Peace TV runs on donations, of course not from IRAN, donation comes from around the world..as it is being regularly advertised on Peace TV. 

    According to our study this is the only channel which adheres to the QURAN & SUNNAH of the last and final Prophet Mohammed SAW.

    Dr. Naqvi, you don't have to worry whether Dr Zakir Naik is misguiding the people..because, this is the age of information and masses know what is good and evil because people are using QURAN & Hadith to judge between wrong and correct, not the Maulana, sheikhs or Imams..

    Kindly don't sit on the Judgment seat, there will be a final court of Aakhirah where Allah will be the Judge..Those who follow Qura'an and the Authentic Hadith of Prophet Mohammed SAW will be the sole winner.....  

    By MD Khaja peeran -



  • Dear brother in islam

    hope u people will understand ;- who ever will hide anything about islam is called   (gonga shaytan) sahie hadees, so making any commet try to understand

    By Asif Ali Wani -



  • We are not here to support Zakir Naik or Shiites. Both of them have similarities.

    Neither Zakir Naik has any Love or respect for Sahabi's nor The Shiites.

    The faith or Imaan cannot be completed until we respect and love the Sahabi's, as Allah has clearly said to us through HIS Quran. 

    If followed properly then no confusion. But who wants to follow it.

     

    Hence Mr Zakir Naik or Abbas Ali Naqvi doesnt have or know any thing about Fiqh. 

    Not even You Mr Abbas Naqvi know ABC of Fiqh. Who are you to count or calculate about the funds of Peace TV or else. We know who the bloody hell is Zakir Naik. 

     

    You check about yourself now. Which religion or faith you belong to. The following statement by you has proved who you are.

     

    What a stupid statement" The Shias also respect the Sahabees as much as Ahl-e-Sunnat do but they don’t consider them as “innocents” like the Ahl-e-Sunnat. They believe that those people, who are not innocents, can be criticized. "

     

    You have proved that You are the real Descendants of Yazeed. 

    By Allah's Slave -



  • dear brother, farahan haider

    plz give me the ref no. of that hadees which u have ref from Muslim and Bukhari so that i will understand better.

    By asif ali -



  • ae musalmano ek dusre pe kichad uchalna chodo aur quran aur sunnat ki roshni me muttahid ho jao By abuzarkhan -



  • To Tell you people very clearly Mohammad Bin Abdul Wahab is the Founder of Wahabism not Abdul Wahab(father), Abdul Wahab had opposed his sons intentions and ideology, and Sulaiman Bin Abdul Wahab wrote a book against his brother Mohammad Bin Abdul Wahab and His Ideologies

    By Syed Saadullah Quadri -



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    Mr. Mughal oooh Sorry Mr. Wahabi.

    you call me qabrprast.

     But you Abdul wahab prast.

    By I m Not a Wahabi, But you are: -



  •  http://newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1105

     

    Jamshed basha  Alias Ayub Ansari...

     

    No matter how many skins you change Mr. Basha since you are from the nutfa of Yazeed Lanati you will always smell like a pig and people with actual faith and true Islam will always smell the likes of you, just as they smell the devil and would subsequently send Lanat on you, it is because of the foxes like you in Islam that there exist so many sects and factions in Islam and terrorism has become synonymous with the peacful religion Islam , there is a very special cell reserved for you in Jahennum and I send lanat on you and on all those whom you Wahabis worship besides Allah'. You are on my watch list and soon you would be reprimanded suitably for spreading hatred and inciting communal tension between communities and sects. And also conniving with a Pakistani and spitting venom against a particular peace loving Shiite sect here in India. Each and every word you have said here on new age Islam that would incite tension is on record with  sufficient proof of your impersonation as well.

     

    Picture abhi baaki hai yazeed laanati ke pujaari.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Syed Farhan Haider

    Asslam-o-elekum all of u,

    my name is farhan and i belong to a shia family and i myself m a proud shia muslim as well. i keep searching for places where i can see some debates and post my replies. i was reading the posts here n the most common thing i came to see is that almost all of us are agreed on the point that yazeed is lanati. now to begin with my those sunni bros who call yazeed as RA. i refer to the sunni books now rather than the shia books so that my sunni bros and sis can b more satisfied. there is a hadith by our beloved Prophet(PBUH) which m translating, "Fatima(s.a) mere jigar ka tukra hai jis ne us ko khush rakha us ne mujhay khush rakha or jis ne un ko naraz kia samjho mujhay tang kia".this hadith is very much present in sunni's sahi-muslim and sahi-bukhari and many shia books. one more hadith "Hassan(a.s) or Hussain(a.s) janat k sardar hain". one more famous hadith "Hussain mini wa ana minal Hussain" translation for my sunni bros n sis is that Rasool(saw) said Hussain mujh se hain or main Hussain se hun. after going through all these Ahadith can u imagine the murderer of this family as RA and still if u can than u r not only rejecting my beloved Prophet's(PBUH) hadith but u r from that yazeed lanati as well. zakir naik's hero is yazeed thats y that pathetic naik or nalaik watever he is said may Allah b pleased with him, very sad, who's the idiot to call him a scholar? u ppl who appreciate him are Allhamdolilah MUNAFIQEEN. and sorry to say i can't pray for the hidayat of u guys those who r with yazeed because in Quran Allah(swt) says that "or humne in ki ankhon pe parda daal dia hai ye soch samajh nahi sakte". yazeed and his followers and followers of today are gonna burn in hell inshallah even that bloody idiot zakir nalaik he is gonna find his hero yazeed next to him. if yazeed is the qatil of our Masoom Imam Hussain (a.s) and his family, even a six moth old masoom child than i must say that zakir naik is that qatil too, he is a munafiq on tv trying to take ppl to hell where he doesn't wanna go alone. Our sweet Prophet(PBUH) said yazeed paleed hai. sadly we still have ppl calling him RA even our Prophet(PBUH) told us. Yazeed wo badkar tha jis ne maa se shadi halaal qarar di thi to sun lo RA kehnay walo apni maon k baray main soch saktay ho, kehna to nahi chaiye per tum log jo yazeed ko RA kehtay ho tum utnay he muslman ho jitna yazeed tha, sharabp k namaz or azan ker saktay ho q k wo kerta tha, kuttay ghar main tum paltay ho q k wo palta tha, or kuch badkarian yahan keh nahi sakta. as my final words and my prayer at the same time MAY ALL YAZEEDEES, HIS FOLLOWERS, AND HIS FOLLOWERS TODAY BURN AND ROT IN HELL. PLS ASHURA IS NEAR RECITE THIS DUA "ALLAHUMA LAAN QATALATA HUSSAINE WA ASABAHI" it means lanat un logon per jinho ne masoom Hussain(a.s) or un k khandan or ashabon ko bhooka piasa qatal ker dia.

    salamz syed farhan haider

    By Syed Farhan Haider -



  • COPIED FROM NEWAGEISLAM.COM BEST OF BEFORE FOR THE BENIFIT OF ONE AND ALL TO FOLLOW THE GOOD ADVICE BY MR. SAF RIZVI

     

    11/27/2008 9:25:18 PM  SAF RIZVI' 

     

    editor: NewageIslam.com

     

    Janab Sultan Shahin Saheb,

     

    salamun alaikum

     

    Your intervention,  though a bit delayed, is welcome, all this while,  I was wondering,  how could you allow such messages being posted on your site, when you are the Editor and in that capacity,  also the moderator of this site, anyways  the offenders should pay heed to your valuable advice, but your reference “The gift of a fresh eye” is intriguing,  because for people of loose faith,  such an advice in its extended logic,  means a third eye which is often controlled by the devil,  people like Jamsheed Basha, as is evident, will go  to the extent of devising their own parameters of  being  a Muslim.

     

    We all know that   belief in ALLAH swt, MOHAMMAD saww  and QURAN MAJEED is sufficient for Iman but according to Jamsheed Basha  the status of Sahab-e-Ikram is recently elevated (in some direct revelation to him nauzbillah)  and giving them due regard will also be the basis of your being a Muslim,  now if this not the DIMAGHI FUTUUR of Jamsheed Basha then he should support his claim from QURAN itself and besides the great Islamic Don Quixote’ janab  Jamsheed Basha himself, who is the other  authority ? to raise the status of Sahab-e-ikram  so much,  so that I if you do not pay them due regard you become Kafir? By this  standard the Wahabis are all Kafirs,  for they fail to pay the due regard, to Allah swt’s most beloved Prophet pbuh himself let alone the Sahabas ,  Zakir Naik uses  words like “JO SHAKS MARR CHUKA HAI”  nauzbillah  for the Prophet Pbuh himself. 

     

    Janab’ As far as faith is concerned, it is my strong belief Alhamdollillah’ that who ever belittles the greatness of the Prophet pbuh and his progeny or equals any two bit outsider with them,  or praises any one,  especially Yazid lanati,  who has blatantly prided in being the sworn enemy of the progeny of the Prophet pbuh is a biggest kafir himself. For this very reason ZAKIR NAIK  has been declared a Kafir through fatwa after a lot of deliberations by Sunnis and Shias alike, my advice to Janab mohtram half baked Muslim  Jamsheed Basha,  is to work for QAUMI ETEHAAD instead of trying to further  divide the Muslim world in these troubled times, let there be the message for all enemies of Islam either external or within, that Sunnis and Shias are two inseparable  arms of Islam Alhamdollillah and are also two blades of a scissor, who ever tries to come in between and divide the two, would be cut of from the Mainstream Islam and there by,  from the path of salvation too, such is the fate of Wahabism today for all to discern and abstain from spreading fitna and kufr.

     

    ALLAH HAFIZ’   (Original message by Mr. safrizvi)

     

     why Mr. Rizvi has stopped enlightening us with such good writeups?

    By Humrazz -



  • For Mr Bala subhramaniam (Bsm)

     

    While you agree that apostates should not be peseduted or killed, it is disturbing to hear from you that you approve of death penalty for Salman Rushdie.   You also say that Muslims can't challenge it if they find some aspects of the Islamic scriptures are not acceptable or objectionable. Doesn't this then automatically mean that Muslims are not free to choose if they don't want to follow certain aspects of Islam?  (BALA SUBHARAMANIAM)

     

    Sir

     

    Though your post above smells of prejudice and reflects an obsolete argument  which has been time and again applied by prejudiced  infidels   when discussing Islam with a believer, yet I think a reply is due as you have started the discussion on a more friendly note.

    I have already told you very clearly the that Meaning of Islam is total submission to the will of God (so how does the question of this/ that arise?) once you accept Islam it is your duty to follow it with heart and soul, Islam is the only religion which is based on pure logic and human behaviour and if somebody thinks his logic is more logical then he should leave Islam and not behave like a traitor. If you talk of LOGIC ONLY then you would end up a half baked atheist with nowhere to go. Logic says seeing is believing since no one has seen God would according to your logic means God does not exists. this may be your logic Sir my logic Says that even your existence proves that God and the devil both exist.

    I reiterate that ‘A Muslim’ is always welcome to question about things that he do not comprehend and Islam insists on GHAUR-O-FIKR unlike what you say in your message...  “Doesn't this mean that Muslims can't use rationalism, reason and logic in choosing what to believe and how to live?” (bsm)

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Apostate and Blasphemy are two different cases all together, so be specific, do not beat around the bush. [M N Ansari]

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    1- Of course not, those who wish to leave Islam they are as it is doomed and need no further punishment. If anyone says that it punishable in Islam if you revert back to your original belief or you change your faith to any other religion the person is working against Islam. There is no such restriction.

     

    2.   Answer no. 1  answers your second questions I guess

     

    3.   It is absolutely right to pronounce death penalty in case of Salman Rusdie,  but utterly wrong in case of the Danish cartoonist and Theo van Gogh.  SALMAN RUSHDIE case stands alone because he was a Muslim when he indulged in blasphemy and the other two were not. [Syeda Kaneez]

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    Dear Sir/Madam

     

    For your kind perusal,

     

    Shia Laws / Punishment for Apostasy and Blasphemy:

     

    Shaykh al-Kulayni narrates a sahíh (correct) hadith from `Ammãr as-Sãbãti who said: I heard (Imam) Abu `Abdullãh (as-Sãdiq) (a.s.) saying, “A Muslim from among the Muslims who renounces Islam and rejects the prophethood of Muhammad and considers him untrue, then verily his blood is lawful (mubãh) for anyone who hears that from him, his wife is to be separated from him the day he became murtad, his wealth will be divided among his heirs, and his wife will observe the `idda of a widow (i.e., four months). The Imam is obliged to kill him, and not ask him to seek forgiveness.” [Furu al-Kãfi, vol. 7, p. 257. This hadith has also been quoted by Shaykh as-Saduq, Man la Yahdhuruhu al-Faqíh, vol. 3, p.89, and Shaykh at-Tusi, Tahdhibu ‘l-Ahkãm, vol. 10, p. 136]

     

    Shaykh at-Tusi narrates a sahíh hadíth from al-Husayn bin Sa`íd who said: I read (a question) in handwriting of a person addressed to (Imam) Abu ‘l-Hasan ar-Rizã (a.s.): “A person born as a Muslim, then becomes an unbeliever (kãfir), polytheist (mushrik), and leaves Islam–should he be asked to seek forgiveness, or should he be killed and not be asked to seek forgiveness?” The Imam (a.s.) wrote: “He should be killed.” [Tahdhibu ‘l-Ahkãm, vol. 10, p. 139]

     

    Shaykh al-Kulayni narrates a sahíh hadíth from `Ali ibn Ja`far from his brother (Imam) Abu ‘l-Hasan (Musa al-Kãzim) (a.s.). `Ali ibn Ja`far said, “I asked him about a Muslim who became Christian.” He answered, “He should be killed and not be asked to seek forgiveness.” Then I asked: “What about a Christian who becomes a Muslim and then turns away from Islam (i.e., becomes murtad)?” He replied, “He should be asked to seek forgiveness; so if he returns (to Islam, then okay), otherwise he should be killed.” [Furu` al-Kãfi, vol. 7, p. 257. It has also been quoted by Shaykh at-Tusi, Tahdhibu ‘l-Ahkãm, vol. 10, 138.]

     

    Shaykh as-Saduq quotes a sahíh hadith from Muhammad bin Muslim who said that (Imam) Abu Ja`far (al-Bãqir) (a.s.) said, “Whoever rejects the prophethood of a prophet/messenger and considers him untrue, then his blood is lawful.” [Man La Yahzuruhu ‘l-Faqih, vol. 4, p. 76.]

     

    Shaykh al-Kulayni quotes a sahíh hadith from Muhammad bin Muslim who said, “I asked (Imam) Abu Ja`far (al-Bãqir) (a.s.) about the murtad.” He said, “Whoever turns away from Islam and rejects what has been revealed to Muhammad (s.a.w.) after he had been a Muslim, then there is no repentance for him; rather it is obligatory to kill him; and his wife should separate from him, and his wealth should be distributed among his heirs.”[Furu` al-Kãfi, vol. 7, p. 256; it has also been quoted by Shaykh at-Tusi, Tahdhibu ‘l-Ahkãm, vol. 10, p. 136.]

     

    All these five ahãdith are authentic and sound from the sanad (chain of narrators) point of view; and even their meaning is quite clear [For the authenticity of these ahãdith, see Sayyid Abu ‘l-Qãsim al-Khu’i, Mabãni Takmilati Minhãji ’s-Sãlihiyn, vol. 1, pp. 324-337 and also the transcript of his lectures by Shaykh al-Gharawi, at-Tanqíh, vol. 3, p. 224-229. ]

     

    This is the opinion of all the Sh`iah jurists. For example, Shaykh Muhammad Hasan an-Najafi, after discussing the ahãdíth on murtad fitri in his renowned encyclopedia of Sh`iah jurisprudence, Jawãhiru ‘l-Kalãm, says: “There is no considerable difference that I have found in the above-mentioned laws; on the contrary, there is unanimity (ijmã`) of both kinds on them because of the textual evidences quoted earlier.” [Jawãhiru ‘l-Kalãm, vol. 41, p. 605. By both kinds of unanimity, he means “al-ijmã` al-manqul — the unanimity of jurists of all times as quoted by one or more jurist” as well as “al-ijmã` al-mahassal — the unanimity of the jurists of all times as ascertained by studying their views”.]

     

    In writings of some of the Sh`iah jurists, one gets the sense that the punishment of murtad is to be implemented only  in dãru ‘l-Islãm (i.e., the Muslim world), and that if the murtad flees to dãru ‘l-kufr (i.e., the abode of kufr), then he is not to be pursued.[Shaykh al-Mufid, al-Muqni`ah (Qum: Jami`a Mudarrisin, 1410) pl 781; Ibn Hamzah at-Tusi, al-Wasilah ila Nayli ‘l-Fadilah (Qum: Maktaba as-Sayyid al-Mar`ashi, 1408) p. 424-5; Muhaqqiq al-Hilli, Sharã’i` al-Islãm, vol. 4 (Tehran: al-Istiqlãl, 1409) p. 961-2.]

     

    For further reading:

     

    See Professor Ali Mazrui, The Satanic Verse or a Satanic Novel, p. 4-5, who probably is the first Muslim to have used the term treason in comparison with apostasy in the context of the Rushdie affair.

     

    Shaykh Muhammad Hasan al-Najafi, Jawãhiru ‘l-Kalãm, vol. 6 (Tehran: Dãr al-Kutub al-Islãmiyya, n.d.) p. 46. According to Fakhrul Muhaqqiqin al-Hilli, it is obligatory to resolve the doubt(s) that are raised by the potential apostate. See his, Iidhãhu ‘l-Fawã’id, vol. 4 (Qum: al-`Ilmiyyah, 1387) p. 550.

     

    For a detailed discussion on the acceptance of the repentance (tawba) by a murtad fitri, see the transcript of the late Ayatullãh al-Khu’í’s lectures by Shaykh al-Gharawi, at-Tanqíh, vol. 3, p. 224-229.

     

    Shaykh al-Mufid, al-Muqni`ah (Qum: Jami`a Mudarrisin, 1410) pl 781; Ibn Hamzah at-Tusi, al-Wasilah ila Nayli ‘l-Fadilah (Qum: Maktaba as-Sayyid al-Mar`ashi, 1408) p. 424-5; Muhaqqiq al-Hilli, Sharã’i` al-Islãm, vol. 4 (Tehran: al-Istiqlãl, 1409) p. 961-2.

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Amir Moughal,

    You can not hide the crime of Abu Baker by your illogical comments on blasphemy fatwa against Salman Rushdie.  Apostate and Blasphemy are two different cases all together, so be specific, do not beat around the bush.

    By M. N. Ansari -



  • Pakistanis should refrain from pretending to be speaking for Muslim Indians.  You should focus on eliminating gross discrimination and massacre of Shias, Ahmedis, Balochis, Pashtoons and other minorities.   How about the three million Bangladeshis that you army butchered and the rape of over 300,000 Bangladeshi women?  Don't forget that Pakistan still is letting half a million Behari Pakistanis rot in Bangladesh in squalid camps.   Your Ziaul Haq himself butchered thousands of Palestinians in the 1970's.   [BSM]

    ==================================

    Dear Sir,

    I am not ashamed and neither afraid of mentioning truth about the wrongs in Pakistan and will nerver Insha Allah [God Willing] hesitate to mention the truth even if it is related with Pakistan

    Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth. [AL-BAQARA (THE COW) Chapter 2 - Verse 42]

    now read:

    Molten lead

    The following article from today’s Daily Times should be read carefully to understand why Islamic Militancy serves the policy objectives of the US establishment. This is a subject that has been discussed a lot by experts like Zbigniew Brzezinski and Robert Fisk but is hardly covered by Pakistan’s media. 

    http://www.yousufnazar.com/?p=817

    Islamic militancy is a foreign policy tool of the US and Pakistani establishments

    http://www.yousufnazar.com/?p=777

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • In actual Islamic Jurisprudence which is based on Qoran, there is no capital punishment on apostate in this world but off course on doom day, he or she will be in hell.[M N Anasari]

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    Dear Ansari

    Lets assume that you are correct then why Ayatullahs of Iran issued Fatwa of Deat against Salman Rushdie?

    Ayatollah revives the death fatwa on Salman Rushdie

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article414681.ece

    A FATWA against the author Salman Rushdie was reaffirmed by Iran’s spiritual leader last night in a message to Muslim pilgrims.  British officials anxiously played down comments after Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, told Muslims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Rushdie was an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam, according to the Iranian media.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Amir Mougal,

    I think you will not change your style of C&P and all of your comments copied from those website, hosted with the aims to tarnish image of particular race, culture, sects and religion. Jews are more smart then you in this kind of campaign, they under the guise of Muslim, propagate wrong Islamic Information. So one must be very careful in trusting information on Internet.  Whenever you asked any question from Amir Mogul, instead of using his intellect, he will search precompiled propaganda on internet and will put it upfront.  So far, I have not found any genuine link in his comment but only enemy propaganda which based on concocted theories.

    My advices to Amir mougal,

    1.       Read Iran Constitution yourself instead of west propaganda on Iran.

    2.       Read Usool-e-Kaafi yourself instead of books written by Sunni scholar on Usool-e-Kaafi.

    3.       Study Shiaism yourself instead of Suuni books written over Shiaism.

    About apostasy I have also asked question to you but so far no proper answer. Alhamdullah Mrs. Syeda Kaneez has answered all those questions completely. Now I would like to ad following:

    In actual Islamic Jurisprudence which is based on Qoran, there is no capital punishment on apostate in this world but off course on doom day, he or she will be in hell.

    But immediately after the death of Mohammed PBUH, Khalifa-1 declared some Muslim Tribes as apostate (Murtad) because they refused to pay him Islamic tax Zakaat and perpetrated a pogrom on them.  And this decree still in practice today in Saudi Arabia, Talibaan and other fanatic Sunni sects.

    By M. N. Ansari -



  • You now have your own country and you shut the door on Indian Muslims soon after 1947.  Please leave us alone to build our country into a harmonious and prosperous one for all Indians.  [BSM]

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    Dear Sir,

     

    Is this how you build your country into a Harmonious and Prosperous one?

    Would you call this a growing prosperity?

     

    India's shame Vol. 23 :: No. 18 September 09 - 22, 2006 INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2318/index.htm

     

    Caste stranglehold Volume 23 - Issue 18 :: Sep. 09-22, 2006
    INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2318/stories/20060922005200900.htm

     

    IF India has not been able to do away with a practice that is admittedly `a blot on humanity', it is because the issue goes beyond poverty, indifference, lack of awareness, or a reluctance to switch from traditional practices. Manual scavenging is rooted in caste as surely as caste is rooted in the nation's psyche. 

    Out in the open S. DORAIRAJ in Chennai Volume 23 - Issue 18 :: Sep. 09-22, 2006 INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2318/stories/20060922005601000.htm

     

    Part of the system K. VENKATESHWARLU Volume 23 - Issue 18 :: Sep. 09-22, 2006 INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2318/stories/20060922005001300.htm

     

    Bengal's record Volume 23 - Issue 18 :: Sep. 09-22, 2006 INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2318/stories/20060922005501400.htm

     

    SCAVENGERS who carry night soil on their heads for a livelihood are more or less a thing of the past in West Bengal, according to the State government. Ashok Bhattacharya, Minister for Municipal Affairs and Urban Development, Town and Country Planning, said that 120 of the 126 urban local bodies in the State and the Kolkata Municipal Corporation, are absolutely free of such scavenging. "As of today, there are no human scavengers working in most parts of West Bengal. Such work may be prevalent in very remote areas, or newly added areas (including areas added to townships) but the different municipalities have specific instruction to address the situation," Bhattacharya told Frontline. 

    `System has become more pervasive' ANNIE ZAIDI Volume 23 - Issue 18 :: Sep. 09-22, 2006 INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2318/stories/20060922005101600.htm

     

    COVER STORY Captured live Volume 23 - Issue 18 :: Sep. 09-22, 2006 INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2318/stories/20060922004202000.htm

     

    In denial mode V. VENKATESAN in New Delhi Volume 23 - Issue 18 :: Sep. 09-22, 2006 INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2318/stories/20060922004501800.htm

     

    At a crossroads S. VISWANATHAN in chennai VENKITESH RAMAKRISHNAN in New Delhi The Dalit leadership faces a credibility crisis in the absence of a radical political vision. RAJEEV BHATT Floral tributes to Dr. B.R. Ambedkar on his 125th birth anniversary at Parliament House on April 14, 2006.

     

    Caste atrocities 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2325/stories/20061229003300400.htm 

     

    Data collected by the government and its agencies highlight the scale of physical aggression and oppression faced by Dalit communities. The 2005 Annual Report of the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) under the Union Ministry of Home Affairs states that a crime against Scheduled Caste (S.C.) communities is committed every 20 minutes in the country. It records that 26,127 cases of atrocities against S.C communities were reported last year. In 2004, the recorded number of crimes against Dalits was 26,887. The 2005 report states that there were 1,172 cases of rape of Dalit women, 669 cases of murder, 258 cases of kidnapping and abduction and 3,847 cases of causing hurt. There were 291 cases under the Protection of Civil Rights Act and 8,497 cases under the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. 

     

    Khairlanjis of the past 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2325/stories/20061229003401000.htm 

     

    Victims, still 

     

    Dalit activism has enabled the community to make some progress, but it is still subjected to oppression across the country. 

     

    http://punjabpanorama.blogspot.com/2006/12/two-lakh-small-farmers-missing-census.html 

     

    Story of deprivation 

     

    P.S. KRISHNAN 

     

    The promises of the freedom movement and the Constitution remain largely unfulfilled in the case of Dalits.

     

    M. SRINATH 

     

    Paddy transplantation under way in Thanjavur. A file photograph. The land reform laws enacted in various States half-heartedly and slowly have left Dalits in the same plight of landlessness and social and physical vulnerability as they were before Independence. 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2325/stories/20061229002802700.htm 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2325/stories/20061229002802700.htm 

     

    Power of touch 

     

    GOPAL GURU 

     

    The concept of untouchability travels from rural locations to the cities. 

     

    Volume 23 - Issue 25 :: Dec. 16-29, 2006 INDIA'S NATIONAL MAGAZINE from the publishers of THE HINDU 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2325/stories/20061229002903000.htm 

     

    Khairlanji Atrocity 

     

    Khairlanji is a village in Mohadi Taluka, Bhandara District 

     

    http://www.ambedkar.org/khairlanji.html 

     

    How are Dalits Discriminated Against? 

     

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/regions/americas/document.do?id=ENGUSA2005100705001 

     

    Localities housing dalits are often segregated from those housing non-dalits, a segregation which often extends to the provision of separate wells, eating places and temples and restrictions on the use of land to defecate. Many are agricultural laborers -- estimates suggest that at least two thirds of the bonded laborers in India are dalits -- while dalit women, and often children, dominate certain spheres of work, such as civic sanitation, scavenging and leatherwork (including the flaying and tanning of carcasses). 

     

    Survival at stake ARCHANA PRASAD

     

    The forest rights Bill is an important step in the struggle to reverse the historical marginalisation of tribal people. 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2326/stories/20070112003600400.htm 

     

    One of the most vociferous proponents of the Scheduled Tribes and Other Traditional Forest Dwellers (Recognition of Forest Rights) Bill, Brinda Karat feels that it is a major step in the spirit of social justice. A strong votary for the inclusion of the rights of other forest-dwellers, too, the Rajya Sabha member of the CPI(M) is of the opinion that the legislation has sounded the death knell for the "Fatwa Raj" of Forest Department officials. In this interview to Frontline, Brinda Karat spoke about the controversies that emerged in the context of the Bill. Excerpts. 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2326/stories/20070112003600400.htm 

     

    For lasting rights ASHISH KOTHARI

     

    The forest rights Bill finally gives forest-dwelling communities a legal basis for their rights to forest resources. 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2326/stories/20070112003501400.htm 

     

    India: End Caste Bias in Tsunami Relief 

     

    http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/01/14/india10019.htm 

     

    About Police. 

     

    India: Probe Police Attacks on ‘Untouchables’ 

     

    http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/07/10/india9051.htm 

     

    India: Spotlight on Caste Discrimination 

     

    (Durban, September 11, 2001) -- Human Rights Watch said today that caste discrimination is now firmly on the international human rights agenda due to the efforts of Dalit activists at the World Conference Against Racism. The conference concluded Saturday in Durban, South Africa.

     

    http://hrw.org/english/docs/2001/09/11/india2451.htm

     

    POLICE ABUSE AND KILLINGS OF STREET CHILDREN IN INDIA

     

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India4.htm 

     

    THE STATES Rape and more ANNIE ZAIDI in Guna 

     

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2322/stories/20061117001704400.htm 

     

    BROKEN PEOPLE Caste Violence Against India’s “Untouchables” 

     

    SUMMARY 

     

    When we are working, they ask us not to come near them. At tea canteens, they have separate tea tumblers and they make us clean them ourselves and make us put the dishes away ourselves. We cannot enter temples. We cannot use upper-caste water taps. We have to go one kilometer away to get water... When we ask for our rights from the government, the municipality officials threaten to fire us. So we don’t say anything. This is what happens to people who demand their rights.

     

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/india/ 

     

    India/Nepal: Rape for Profit 

     

    (New York, June 16, 1995) In a report released today, Human Rights Watch, the New York-based human rights organization, charged that women and girls trafficked from Nepal into India for the purpose of prostitution are kept in conditions tantamount to slavery. Held in debt bondage for years at a time, they are raped and subjected to severe beatings, exposure to AIDS, and arbitrary imprisonment. Both the Indian and Nepali governments are complicit in the abuses suffered by trafficking victims. The human rights organization also called on government delegates to the Fourth United Nations Conference on Women to commit to improving international collaboration to stem the forced trafficking of women and girls, investigating and prosecuting traffickers and brothel operators.

     

    RAPE FOR PROFIT Trafficking of Nepali Girls and Women to India's Brothels 

     

    I. INTRODUCTION

     

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/India.htm 

     

    Child commercial sex workers: India 

     

    There are approximately 2 million child commercial sex workers between the age of 5 and 15 years and about 3.3 million between 15 and 18 years They form 40% of the total population of commercial sex workers in India 80% of these are found in the 5 metros 71% of them are illiterate 500,000 children are forced into this trade every year 

     

    * Prostitution is widespread, with an estimated 2.3 million prostitutes in the country, some 575,000 of whom are children. (US Dept of State, Human Rights Report, 1999) 

     

    * According to ILO estimates, 15% of the country's estimated 2.3 million prostitutes are children. (US Dept of State, Human Rights Report, 1999) 

     

    * Recent studies indicate that of the estimated 9,000,000 prostitutes working in India, some 30% or 2,700,000 are children. A further 10% reported that they had started their 'career' in prostitution before they were 18 years of age. A large number of these children are trafficked from Bangladesh, Pakistan and Nepal. (ECPAT International, A Step Forward, 1999) 

     

    * One quarter of prostitutes are minors. (CATW 1999) 

     

    * 25-30% of prostitutes are children. An estimated number of child prostitutes is 400,000. (ILO-IPEC, Mainstreaming Gender in IPEC Activities, 1999) 

     

    * There is a growing pattern of trafficking in child prostitutes from Nepal. According to one estimate, 5,000 to 7,000 children, mostly between the ages of 10 and 18, are drawn into this traffic annually. NGOs in the region estimate that some 6,000 to 10,000 girls are trafficked annually from Nepal to Indian brothels and a similar number are trafficked from Bangladesh. (US Dept of State, Human Rights Report, 1999) 

     

    * Women's rights organisations and NGOs estimate that more than 12,000 and perhaps as many as 50,000 women and children are trafficked into the country annually from neighbouring states for the sex trade. (US Dept of State, Human Rights Report, 1999) 

     

    * 30% of India's 1 million prostitutes are girls below the age of 16 years. (SPARC, The State of Pakistan's Children, 1999, citing "Child Prostitution Increasing in Indo-Pak", The Frontier Post, 25 November 1998) 

     

    * A survey by the Central Social Welfare Board of India indicated that the population of Nepalese women and child victims of commercial sexual exploitation in Indian brothels would be between 70,000 to 100,000 of which 30% were below 18 years. (ILO-IPEC, Usha D. Acharya, Country Report: Nepal, October 1998) 

     

    * Over 100,000 child prostitutes are estimated to be in India's major cities. (June Kane, Sold for Sex, 1998) 

     

    * Over the last decade, 200,000 Bangladeshi girls were lured under false circumstances and sold into the sex industry in nations including Pakistan, India and the Middle East. (CATW Fact Book, citing Tabibul Islam, "Rape of Minors Worry Parents", IPS, 8 April 1998) 

     

    * Every year between 5,000 and 7,000 Nepalese girls are trafficked into the red-light districts in Indian cities. Many of the girls are barely 9 or 10 years old. (CATW Fact Book, citing Soma Wadhwa, "For sale childhood', Outlook, 1998) 

     

    * 27,000 Bangladeshi women and children have been forced into prostitution in Indian brothels. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Women Forced into Indian Brothels", CWCS, June 1998) 

     

    * 200,000 Nepalese girls under 16 years are in prostitution. (Penelope Saunders, "Sexual Trafficking and Forced Prostitution of Children", 29 October 1998) 

     

    * 40,000 Nepalese girls under 16 in Indian brothels are forced into prostitution. (Penelope Saunders, "Sexual Trafficking and Forced Prostitution of Children", 29 October 1998) 

     

    * 20% of the child prostitutes in India come from Bangladesh and Nepal. (BNWLA, Salma Ali, Country Report on Trafficking in Children and their Exploitation in Prostitution, October 1998, citing a research publication by Dr. K.K. Mukherjee of India) 

     

    * 300,000-500,000 children are engaged in prostitution. (CATW Fact Book, citing Rahul Bedi, "Bid to Protect Children as Sex Tourism Spreads", Daily Telegraph (London), 23 August 1997) 

     

    * 15% of prostitutes in India are under the age of 18 years. ("Innocence Sacrificed on Tourism Altar", ECPAT Bulletin, October 1996) 

     

    * A 1996 survey published in India Today magazine estimated there are between 40,000 and 50,000 child prostitutes in the country, activists now say that figure might have jumped to about 250,000. ("Children For Sale", Asia Week, 1 March 1996)

     

     * Conservative estimates say some 300,000 children are involved in the sex industry. ("Six foreigners charged in India child sex case", The Nation, 18 October 1996, reprinted in ECPAT Bulletin, October 1996) 

     

    * Between 2,000 and 5,000 children are sent across the border to India for prostitution every year. (Kota Neelima, "Young sex workers are costly commodity", ECPAT Bulletin, July 1996) 

     

    * An estimated 400 sex workers came from Bangladesh every month and about 5,000 came from Nepal every year. (Kota Neelima, "Young sex workers are a costly commodity", ECPAT Bulletin, July 1996, citing Indrani Sinha of SANLAAP India)

     

    * 500,000 girls work as sex workers. (UNICEF, Atlas of South Asian Children and Women, 1996) 

     

    * The average age of the Nepalese girls entering an Indian brothel is said to be 10-14 years, some 5,000 to 7,000 of them being trafficked between Nepal and India annually. (UNICEF India, Richard Young, "Understanding Underlying Factors", Child Workers in Asia, January-June 1996) 

     

    * Every year 5,000 to 7,000 Nepalese girls are trafficked to India. An estimated 40,000 to 45,000 of these girls are in Bombay brothels and also nearly an equal number of them are in Calcutta. (Lawyers for Human Rights and Legal Action, The Flesh Trade Report, 1995-1996)

     

    * Nepalese social workers estimate the number of Nepalese girls and women working in Indian brothels at about 200,000, and believe that between 5,000 and 7,000 new Nepalese end up in Indian brothels every year. (Human Rights Watch/Asia, Rape and Profit, June 1995)

     

    * There were an estimated 400,000-500,000 child prostitutes in 1991. (Human Rights Watch) 

     

    * Half of 100,000 girl prostitutes between 10-14 in Bombay are from Nepal and kept in brothels against their will. (Penelope Saunders, "Sexual Trafficking and Forced Prostitution of Children", 29 October 1998) 

     

    * In Bombay, India, at least half of the city's 100,000 prostitutes are believed to be Nepalese girls. (ILO-IPEC, Usha D. Acharya, Country Report: Nepal, October 1998)

     

    * The number of Nepalese girls and women engaged in prostitution in Calcutta exceeds 27,000, in Delhi it is more than 21,000, in Gorakhpur it is 4,700, and in Banaras it is 3,480. (ILO-IPEC, Usha D. Acharya, Country Report: Nepal, October 1998)

     

    * 10,000 Bangladeshi children are in brothels in Bombay and Goa, India. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Human smuggling from Bangladesh at alarming level", Reuters, 26 May 1997, citing Trafficking Watch Bangladesh) 

     

    * Approximately 20,000 or 20% of women in prostitution in Bombay are under 18 years of age. (CATW Fact Book, citing Robert I. Freidman, "India's Shame: Sexual Slavery and Political Corruption are Leading to an AIDS Catastrophe", The Nation, 8 April 1996)

     

    * A NGO states that the number of children in flesh trade is increasing by 8-10% every year ("The Young and the Damned", The Week, 4 August 1996, reprinted in ECPAT Bulletin, July 1996) 

     

    *10,000-12,000 Bangladeshi children are thought to be employed in the brothels of Bombay and West Bengal. (An Alternative Report to the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, submission to the UN CRC, 1997, citing UNICEF, The Progress of the Nations, 1995) 

     

    * About 45,000 Nepalese girls are in the brothels of Bombay and 40,000 in Calcutta. (CATW Fact Book, citing UBINIG, Trafficking in Women and Children: The Cases of Bangladesh, 1995, citing women's groups in Nepal) 

     

    * A report of the Central Advisory Committee on Child Prostitution, published in May 1994 says that 12 to 15% of the prostitutes in Mumbai, Delhi, Madras, Calcutta, Hyderabad and Bangalore are children. It is estimated that 30% of the prostitutes in these cities are aged below 20 and nearly half of them had become commercial sex workers when they were minors. 86% of the prostitutes come from Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal, Maharashtra and Uttar Pradesh. Conservative estimates put the number of children in India suffering commercial sex abuse at 300,000. ("The Young and the Damned", The Week, 4 August 1996, reprinted in ECPAT Bulletin, July 1996)  

     

    * Dr. I.S. Gilada, General Secretary of the Indian Health Organisation(IHO), estimated in various studies conducted between 1985 and 1994 that there were between 70,000 and 100,000 prostitutes in Bombay, 100,000 in Calcutta, 40,000 in Delhi, 40,000 in Pune, and 13,000 in Nagpur. (Human Rights Watch/Asia, Rape and Profit, June 1995) 

     

    * There are over 200,000 Nepalese prostitutes. (ILO-IPEC, Mainstreaming Gender in IPEC Activities, 1999)

     

     * 200,000 to over 250,000 Nepalese women and girls are already in Indian brothels. (CATW Fact Book, citing Soma Wadhwa, "For sale childhood", Outlook, 1998) 

     

    * 20%-30% of commercial sex workers in India have been trafficked from Nepal. (World Vision, David Westwood, Child Trafficking in Asia, 1998) 

     

    * The Indian Social Welfare Board estimates that there are 500,000 foreign prostitutes in India of which 1% are from Bangladesh. And 2.7% of prostitutes in Calcutta alone are from Bangladesh. (CATW Fact Book, citing CEDAW Report: Bangladesh, 1 April 1997) 

     

    * 30,000 Bangladeshi women are in the brothels of Calcutta, India. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Human Smuggling from Bangladesh at alarming level", Reuters, 26 May 1997)

     

    * 2.5% of prostitutes in India are Nepalese, and 2.7% are Bangladeshi. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Devadasi System Continues to Legitimise Prostitution: The Devadasi Tradition and Prostitution", Times of India, 4 December 1997) 

     

    * 160,000 Nepalese women are held in India's brothels. (CATW Fact Book, citing SANLAAP India, Indrani Sinha, "Paper on Globalization & Human Rights") 

     

    * At least 2,000 women are in prostitution along the Baina beachfront in Goa. (CATW Fact Book, citing Frederick Moronha, India Abroad News Service, 9 August 1997) 

     

    * Every day, about 200 girls and women in India enter prostitution, 80% of them against their will. (CATW Fact Book, citing CEDPA and PRIDE, "Devadasi System Continues to Legitimise Prostitution: The Devadasi Tradition and Prostitution", Times of India, 4 December 1997)

     

    * The brothels of India hold between 100,000 and 160,000 Nepalese women and girls. (CATW Fact Book, citing Gustavo Capdevila, IPS, 2 April 1997, citing Radhika Coomaraswamy, UN Special Report on Violence Against Women) 

     

    * There are more than 100,000 women in prostitution in Bombay, Asia's largest sex industry centre. (CATW Fact Book, citing Robert I. Freidman, "India's Shame: Sexual Slavery and Political Corruption Are Leading to an AIDS Catastrophe", The Nation, 8 April 1996)

     

    * There are an estimated 50,000 devadasis in the country. (ECPAT Newsletter, No.15, January 1996) 

     

    * India, along with Thailand and the Philippines, has 1.3 million children in its sex-trade centres. (CATW Fact Book, citing Soma Wadhwa, "For Sale: Childhood", Outlook, 1998) 

     

    * Nepalese social workers estimate that the number of Nepalese girls and women now working in Indian brothels at about 200,000 and believe that between 5,000 and 7,000 new Nepalese end up in Indian brothels every year. (Human Rights Watch/Asia, Rape and Profit, June 1995) 

     

    * Nepalese girls as young as 11, 12, 13 years old have been trafficked into India to work as prostitutes. (Will Dunham, "U.S. grapples with 'modern-day slavery'", 1 September 2000, reprinted in Stop Trafficking Archive, September 2000)

     

    * In India, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra, and Tamil Nadu are considered "high supply zones" for women in prostitution. Bijapur, Belgaum and Kolhapur are common districts from which women migrate to the big cities, as part of an organised trafficking network. (CATW Fact Book, citing Meena Menon, "Women in India's Trafficking Belt", 30 March 1998, citing the Central Social Welfare Board)

     

    * Human Rights Watch reported that the practice of dedicating or marrying young, pre-pubescent girls to a Hindu deity or temple as servants of god, devadasis, continue in several southern states, including Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka. Devadasis may not marry. They are taken from their families and are required to provide sexual services to priests and high caste Hindus. Reportedly, many eventually are sold to urban brothels. (US Dept of State, Human Rights Report, 1999) 

     

    * India is one of the favoured destinations of paedophile sex tourists from Europe and the United States. (CATW Fact Book, citing "Global law to punish sex tourists sought by Britain and EU", The Indian Express, 21 November 1997) 

     

    *The trafficking of girls from Nepal into India for the purpose of prostitution is probably the busiest 'slave traffic' of its kind anywhere in the world. (CATW Fact Book, citing Tim McGirk, "Nepal's Lost Daughters", 27 January 1997) 

     

    * India's child sex industry is the second largest in the world after the Philippines. ("Six foreigners charged in India child sex case", The Nation, 18 October 1996, reprinted in ECPAT Bulletin, October 1996) 

     

    * There could be a few hundred thousand Bangladeshi girls in various houses of prostitution in India. (Brother Jarlath de Souza, "Trafficking in Children: Bangladesh", Child Workers in Asia, July-September 1996) 

     

    * Most child prostitutes in the cities hail from the surrounding rural areas, although considerable numbers are trafficked over longer distances. (UNICEF India, Richard Young, "Understanding Underlying Factors", Child Workers in Asia, January-June 1996) 

     

    * Nepal appears to be the most significant, identifiable source of child prostitutes for Indian brothels. Thousands of Nepalese females under the age of 20 have been identified in India by various studies. (UNICEF India, Richard Young, "Understanding Underlying Factors", Child Workers in Asia, January-June 1996) 

     

    * In 1994, however, the Government of India estimated that 30%of all prostitutes in six major cities were below the age of 20 and that almost 40% of these prostitutes entered the profession before they were 18 years of age. Anecdotal evidence provided by social workers in Calcutta, Bombay and Delhi supports these figures. The existence of a stable child population among the prostitutes of these cities seems to be a certainty. (UNICEF India, Richard Young, "Understanding Underlying Factors", Child Workers in Asia, January-June 1996) 

     

    * Of 1,000 red-light districts all over India, prostitutes are mostly minors often from Nepal and Bangladesh. (CATW-Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific, 1996)

     

    * Districts bordering Maharashtra and Karnataka, known as the 'devadasi belt', have trafficking structures operating at various levels. Many are devadasis dedicated into prostitution for the goddess Yellamma. In one Karnataka brothel, all 15 girls are devadasis. (CATW Fact Book, citing Meena Menon, "The Unknown Faces") 

     

    A newspaper report from 2006 states:

     

    Police in Khurja say dozens of sacrifices have been made over the past six months. Last month, in a village near Barha, a woman hacked her neighbour's three-year-old to death after a tantrik promised unlimited riches. In another case, a couple desperate for a son had a six-year-old kidnapped and then, as the tantrik chanted mantras, mutilated the child. The woman completed the ritual by washing in the child's blood. 'It's because of blind superstitions and rampant illiteracy that this woman sacrificed this boy,' said Khurja police officer AK Singh. 'It's happened before and will happen again but there is little we can do to stop it. In most situations it's an open and shut case. It isn't difficult to elicit confessions - normally the villagers or the families of the victims do that for us.'....According to an unofficial tally by the local newspaper, there have been 28 human sacrifices in western Uttar Pradesh in the last four months. Four tantrik priests  have been jailed and scores of others forced to flee. 

     

    Indian cult kills children for goddess: Holy men blamed for inciting dozens of deaths, The Observeror (United Kingdom newspaper) Dan McDougall in Khurja, India, Sunday March 5, 2006 Some people in India are adherents of a religion called Tantrism (not to be confused with Tantric Buddhism); most either use animal sacrifice or symbolic effigies, but a small percent of them still engage in human sacrifice: 

     

    After a rash of similar killings in the area -- according to an unofficial tally in the English-language Hindustan Times, there have been 25 human sacrifices in western Uttar Pradesh in the last six months alone -- police have cracked down against tantriks, jailing four and forcing scores of others to close their businesses and pull their ads from newspapers and television stations. The killings and the stern official response have focused renewed attention on tantrism, an amalgam of mystical practices that grew out of Hinduism. 

     

    In India, case links mysticism, murder - John Lancaster, Washington Post, 11/29/2003)

    Witch doctors cause rise in child sacrifices by Catherine Philp The Times March 03, 2004

    An Indian villager in a loveless marriage was told that killing his son would solve his problems 

     

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1023943,00.html

     

    Horror of India's child sacrifice By Navdip Dhariwal BBC News, Uttar Pradesh, India 

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4903390.stm 

     

    Indian cult kills children for goddess

     

    'Holy men' blamed for inciting dozens of deaths Dan McDougall in Khurja, India Sunday March 5, 2006 The Observer

     

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1723910,00.html 

     

    Child Hierodulic Servitude in India and Nepal 

    http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com/hieroras.htm 

     

    Woman held for child sacrifice [ Tuesday, July 29, 2003 02:30:09 amTIMES NEWS

    NETWORK 

     

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=100223  

     

    Ritual killing stuns Indian village By CNN Correspondent Suhasini Haidar Wednesday, August 6, 2003 Posted: 0822 GMT ( 4:22 PM HKT)

     

    http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/08/06/india.ritual.killing/ 

     

    Barter, buy or kill for a bride 

     

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1244546,curpg-2,fright-0,right-0.cms 

     

    There is a long tradition of human sacrifice to the Goddess in different parts of India, and there is evidence that this was practised regularly in some of the main Shakta temples of Bengal until the early nineteenth century when it was banned by the British. Occasional child sacrifices are still reported today. The Thugs strangled and robbed travellers in the name of Kali until the cult was eradicated by the British. Criminal associations continue, though, for Naipaul interviewed a group of murderous criminals in India: A Million Mutinies Now (1990) who were religious and worshipped Santoshi Mata, a form of Kali. 

     

    http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/hindu/devot/kali.html 

     

    The children we sacrifice By Pedestrian pictures 04/06/2003 At 12:47

     

    In India, one out of every ten children is being sexually abused at any given point of time.

     

    Every 155th minute a child below 16 years is raped.

     

    Every 13th hour, a child below 10 years is raped.

     

    ~ Working group of Convention on the Rights of the Child, 1998 

     

    http://india.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/5267.shtml 

     

    Child sacrifice: mystery over death of main accused DH News Service Angul (Orissa): 

    The sacrifice of a five-year-old-boy at a local temple in Angul district has taken an ugly turn with the death of the main accused under mysterious circumstances. The 60-year-old man, who had confessed to the crime, died in the police custody on Wednesday.

     

    http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/Oct222005/national1741820051021.asp

     

    I wonder why the British Raj left in 1947 giving us unabashed freedom to continue Pagan Traditions of Sawareh, Vani, Karo Kari [Honour Killing of women to save the honour and there is no honour in pederast Feudals and Mullahs of Rural Pakistan], Sati [Burning alive the Hindu widow], Haq Bakhshwai [Marriage with Holy Quran in Sindh to save property and this is done in Rural Pakistan and India].

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez,

    Thanks for responding.  What I have quoted about Hizbut-Tahrir, Al-Muhajiroun is the truth.  These pan-Islamic outfits are very serious about their goal of turning the whole world into an Islamic empire, with emphasis on India.   Do research their published manifesto.  You will see what I am talking about. [BSM]

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    Dear Sir,

    Let me tell you about these Militant Pan-Islamist Deviant Anarchist Groups more explicitly:

    Behind The Islamic Revolution of Iran - Part I

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-islamic-revolution-of-iran-part.html

    Behind The Islamic Revolution of Iran - Part II

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-islamic-revolution-of-iran-part_14.html

    Behind The Islamic Revolution of Iran - Part III

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-islamic-revolution-of-iran-part_7904.html

    Militant Political Islam: Syed Qutub - I

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/militant-political-islam-syed-qutub-i.html

    Militant Political Islam: Syed Qutub - II

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/militant-political-islam-syed-qutub-ii.html

    Anarchy of HIZB UT-TAHREER & AL MUHAJIROON - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/anarchy-of-hizb-ut-tahreer-al.html 

    Anarchy of HIZB UT-TAHREER & AL MUHAJIROON - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/anarchy-of-hizb-ut-tahreer-al_06.html

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    You now have your own country and you shut the door on Indian Muslims soon after 1947.  Please leave us alone to build our country into a harmonious and prosperous one for all Indians.  [BSM]

    Dear Sir,

    We have Pakistan because of these people and these people were also responsible for the Murder of the Great Leader Mr Gandhi!

    Read the Indian Magazine Clippings which I attached on this thread of New Age Islam on Late. Gandhi's Murderers and Brains behind those killers:

    http://end-brahmans-rule.blog.co.uk/

    That RSS Was Directly Involved

    In Murded of Mahatma Gandhi 

    This made Pakistan possible.

    Invented Enemy: Savarkar's Politics of Revenge JYOTIRMAYA SHARMA [Courtesy Times of India]

    [ TUESDAY, MARCH 04, 2003 12:01:30 AM ]

    The petition from Convict No 32778 to the home member of the government of India, dated November 14, 1913, must simply be seen as an act of self-preservation. Convict No 32778, in this case, was Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. His appeal to the 'mighty' English government for being 'merciful' does not merit opposition to his portrait being hung in the Central Hall of Parliament. There are other more compelling reasons. Dhananjay Keer's biography of Savarkar talks of an incident when the 12-year-old Savarkar led a march of his schoolmates to stone the village mosque. Savarkar's own account of the incident speaks of him and his friends dancing with joy whenever they heard of Hindus killing Muslims in acts of retribution. Vandalising a mosque was their contribution to preserving Hindu dharma and establishing national honour. Savarkar's description of this incident is significant. "We vandalised the mosque to our heart's content and raised the flag of our bravery on it. We followed the war strategy of Shivaji completely and ran away from the site after accomplishing our task," says Savarkar. The Muslim boys in the village retaliated. Savarkar's band of dharmavir warriors met the challenge with knives, pins and foot rulers. Savarkar recounts the victory of the Hindus in this dharma yuddha.


    The Hindu - September 21, 2004 "ONLY DR. HEDGEWAR IS YOUR EQUAL" By Jyotirmaya Sharma

    PUNE, SEPT. 20. In his deposition before the Court in the Gandhi murder trial, Nathuram Godse made attempts to distance himself from the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) as well as from Savarkar. Subsequent statements by the assassin's brother and co-conspirator, Gopal Godse, told a quite different story (Frontline, January 28, 1994). Five hitherto inaccessible letters obtained by The Hindu cast new light on the tireless efforts of Nathuram to bring the RSS and the Hindu Mahasabha on a common platform, with a common programme, working towards the goal of creating a Hindu Rashtra. As early as February 1938, Godse pleads with Savarkar to assume the leadership of the Hindus by aligning with the RSS and drawing on its strengths. In a letter dated February 28, 1938 (the letter was cited in a recent issue of Outlook, although not this particular excerpt), he says: "Sir, your goal is the achievement of the Hindu Rashtra. There are 50,000 disciplined RSS cadres who carry the same aspiration in their hearts. These swayamsevaks are spread from Punjab to Karnataka. What they lack is your leadership and guidance and are waiting for it." He writes to Savarkar again on July 10, 1938. The tone of the letter is less reverential, even impatient and insistent. "I need to discuss here many matters of great importance," it begins and moves on to delineating an agenda for the Hindu Mahasabha. "The current leadership of the Hindu Mahasabha is not conscious enough of the strength of the organisation, " complains Godse. He tells Savarkar that the organisation ought to take concrete steps to increase its numbers and have a "parinaamkaarak karyakram" ("result-oriented programme"). In the absence of this, he says, people will not be able to gauge the "upayuktataa" ("usefulness, worth") of the Hindu Mahasabha.

    Read the Indian Magazine Clippings which I attached on this thread of New Age Islam on Late. Gandhi's Murderers and Brains behind those killers:

    Muslims world over condemn Mumbai Terror, worry about image

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1035

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Mr. Mughal,

    You seem to be walking around the questions rather than directly answering them.   Mrs. Kaneez, was honest enough to take the initiative to give her personal view though the questions were posed to you.  You circumvent the question on death to apostates, Salman Rushdie or Van Gogh by stating they are citizen of non-Islamic countries.  Let me put it in another way.  What is is you view if they were citizens of an Islamic country? [BSM]

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    Dear Sir,

    I was very explicit in my opionion, read it again and Ms Syeda was wrong, read my replies to her which are supported with International Human Rights Organization Reports on Iran and their Law of Apostasy.

    Personal opinion are not allowed in those matters in Islam where Allah and Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] have already decided the matter. If anybody leaves Islam and openly declares it too in a country where Apostasy Laws of Islam are Applied then his/her punishment would be death [like you have death punishment in many American States for Murder]. Law of Apostasy are not applied on Salman Rushdie, Danish Catoonist, Wilder, or Theo Van Gough because they are the citizens of those countries where Blasphemy Laws/Apostasy Laws are not practiced. Islam doesn't stop Muslims to read other philosophies, religions and ideologies. Discussing Islam's different aspects is not banned in Islam.

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    You did not condemn Pakistani designs in inciting Hindu-Muslim communal violence in India.  Instead you are trying to deflect the question by bringing in Hindu outfits.  I assume you are a Pakistani.  Do you deny Pakistan's evil role in instigating communal conflicts in India?  Do you deny that outfits such as SIMI, Indian Mujahideen are trained and supported by Pakistani ISI ? [BSM]

    Dear Sir,

    Yes, I am a Pakistani and you are not telling a Closely Guarded Secret [my nationality is mentioned in my blog with my photo and place of birth as well]. Provide Evidence that Pakistan was involved in India's Godhra Riots? I will talk with Neutral Sources and my comment wouldn't be based on heresy, read...

    For your kind perusal

    We Have No Order to Save You.

    “We Have No Orders To Save You” State Participation and Complicity in Communal Violence in Gujarat Human Rights Watch  http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/india/

    A mass grave in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, in which sixty-one bodies — thirty-four of women and twenty-seven of children — are buried. Since February 27, 2002, more than 850 people have been killed in communal violence in the state of Gujarat, most of them Muslims. Unofficial estimates put the death toll as high as 2,000. The attacks against Muslims in Gujarat have been actively supported by state government officials and by the police. Police told Muslims, "We don't have any orders to save you."
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    Pakistanis should refrain from pretending to be speaking for Muslim Indians.  You should focus on eliminating gross discrimination and massacre of Shias, Ahmedis, Balochis, Pashtoons and other minorities.   How about the three million Bangladeshis that you army butchered and the rape of over 300,000 Bangladeshi women?  Don't forget that Pakistan still is letting half a million Behari Pakistanis rot in Bangladesh in squalid camps.   Your Ziaul Haq himself butchered thousands of Palestinians in the 1970's.   [BSM]

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    Dear Sir,

    I am not ashamed and neither afraid of mentioning about the wrongs in Pakistan and things you are telling above are already mentioned by me, read my posts on Former East Pakistan and Israel:

    Rebooting Islam

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1085

    The Gaza Solutions: Dump The Israeli And Palestinian Bushes 

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1080

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    Having said that, Indians- Muslims, Hindus and others- are quite capable of taking care of problems by themselves in their country.   Whether it is Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, naxals, extremism and violence is condemnable and should not be tolerated.  It is against humanism and human conscience.  The Sikh massacre and Gujarat pogrom have forever shamed all Indians with any conscience.  But, that is our affair and our problem. I do not wish to turn this topic into an India-Pakistan bashing contest on a thread that is devoted to internal Issues and introspection on Islam.   We can take up India-Pakistan issues on another more appropriate thread if you so choose.[BSM]

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    Dear Sir,

    If Sikh, Muslim and Christian Massacre are your problem and your affair them quit discussing Islam because your logic of "Our Issue" is also applied in Islam's Case:

    Orissa: Hindu extremism Part II

    http://forum.atimes.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13533

    Xtian activism has become a Joke !!

    http://forum.atimes.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13633


    Case Study: Kashmir / Punjab / The Delhi Massacre (1984)

    http://www.gendercide.org/case_kashmir_punjab.html

    On October 31, 1984, the Indian Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi, who had ordered Operation Bluestar, was assassinated in a revenge attack by her two Sikh bodyguards. Over the following five days, one of the worst gendercidal massacres of modern times took place in the Indian capital, Delhi. The victims were Sikh males of all ages. At 10 p.m. on the evening following the Prime Minister's assassination, widespread killings broke out across Delhi, apparently organized by the Hindu extremist parties that have become prominent players in Indian politics. Hindu men roamed the streets, declaring an open season on Sikh males (those who were religiously observant were easily identified by their long hair and turbans). The gendercidal character of the killings was indeed almost total. According to the Indian feminist Madhu Kishwar,

    When a mob first came the Sikhs came out and repulsed them. Three such waves were repulsed, but each time the police came and told them to go home and stay there. The fourth time the mob came in increased strength and started attacking individual homes, driving people out, beating and burning them and setting fire to their homes. The method of killing was invariably the same: a man was hit on the head, sometimes his skull broken, kerosene poured over him and set on fire. Before being burnt, some had their eyes gouged out. Sometimes, when a burning man asked for water, a man urinated on his mouth. Several individuals, including her sister's son, tried to escape by cutting their hair. Most of them were also killed. Some had their hair forcibly cut but were nevertheless killed thereafter. (Quoted in Khalsa Human Rights)

    Star TV Tapes and Narendra Modi

    For days the Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) ruling the western state of Gujarat has been denying chief minister Narendra Modi‘ s hate campaign against Muslims at his "pride" rallies. Nailing the lie, Star TV played the speech repeatedly Sunday and Monday, September 15-16.

    Instead of being ashamed and saying sorry, BJP, many of whose functionaries, including Modi, have been accused of involvement in the recent anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat, have said the Star TV tapes were "doctored."

    One Gujarat minister, seen by victims as a perpetrator of the pogrom, went to the extent of defending the hate speech. "There has been a trend in Gujarat of delivering such speeches over the past 40 years," he said.

    The Gujarat chief minister, who has often been compared to Slobodan Milosevic for his viciousness, was reported by the Times of India, the country’ oldest and most prestigious daily, as having told a rally that relief camps housing Muslim survivors of the pogrom should be closed because they had become "factories for producing babies".

    He said people (Muslims) who multiplied thus "should be taught a lesson." He made quite a few anti-Muslim remarks at the rally. These pre-election rallies were part of Modi’s weeks-long "pride march" through the state, in which he addressed crowds every few kilometres.

    The "pride" in the "pride march" is regarding having taught the Muslim minority a lesson during the pogrom which lasted more than two months—March, April and early May. As many as 2,000 Muslims were killed, hundreds others raped, thousands of homes destroyed and 100,000 forced into relief camps across the state.

    Victims and a dozen private inquiry commissions have indicted BJP leaders for the monumental crime. Even state organisations like National Human Rights Commission, National Minority Commission and Election Commission have censured the state government.

    The BJP, which leads the ruling coalition at Centre, has been backing Modi despite tremendous pressure to sack him for his acts of ommission and commission.

    Deputy prime minister LK Advani, instead of reining him in, patted Modi on the back for his pride marches. BJP general secretary and former Union law minister Arun Jaitley claimed there were "inaccuracies" in media’s reports on Modi’s speech.

    Hate speech is a serious offence under Indian law as well as per obligations India has to honour as a signatory to international covenants.

    Despite condemnation from national media and intelligentsia the BJP is unrepentant. Even party chief Venkiah Naidu, who had cautioned Modi against using too blatant anti-Muslim rhetoric, is now backing him.

    Outraged by the virulence of Modi’s speech, the National Commission for Minorities had demanded the audio and video tapes of the speech from Gujarat government. However, the state bureaucracy said they were not able to procure them.

    The fascist tactics of Modi have scandalised the civil society here. Quite a few have drawn parallels with Milosevic and Hitler. Yet others have compared him to General Rex Dyer, who in 1919 opened fire on a meeting of Indian civilians and killed 379, wounding another 1500.

    Those were the last years of the all-powerful British Empire. Popular columnist Swaminathan Anklesaria Aiyar wrote in his column in the Times of India that Modi was teaching Muslims a lesson as Dyer taught Indians.

    Dyer took pride in his act like Modi does in his. For that Dyer was sacked by the empire. "Let us mete out the same fate to Narendra Modi," Aiyar wrote.

    The carnage in Gujarat was marked by unprecedented levels of hate speech and hate propaganda.


    Some examples: Chief Minister Narendra Modi

    Terming the (Godhra) attack as ‘pre-planned, violent act of terrorism’, Mr Modi said that state government was viewing this attack seriously. — The Times of India, Feb 28, 2002.

    Modi said he was ‘absolutely satisfied’ with the way in which the police and State Government handled the backlash from Godhra incident and ‘happy’ that violence was largely contained… "We should be happy that curfew has been imposed only at 26 places while there is anger and people are burning with revenge. Thanks to security arrangements we brought things under control".When asked that not a policeman was visible in most areas where shops were looted and set on fire, he said he hadn’t received any complaint. — The Indian Express, March 1, 2002.

    "Investigations have revealed that the firing by the Congressman played a pivotal role in inciting the mob." — CM Narendra Modi on Chamanpura incident where former MP Ahsan Jaffri was burned alive with 19 of his relatives. On being asked what could have lead to the Ex-MP opening fire it was ‘probably in his nature’ to do so. — The Hindustan Times, March 2, 2002.

    Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Friday termed ‘barbaric’ the murder of former Congress MP Ehsan Jafri along with 19 of his family members, but said there was firing from inside the house. — The Indian Express, March 2, 2002Asked about the violence, Modi quoted Newton’s third law – ‘every action has an equal and opposite reaction’ - to virtually justify what is happening. — The Times of India, March 3, 2002.

    Chief Minister Narendra Modi said on March 4: "The situation is totally under control. There is no threat to any life. Everything is functioning normally. That is all I can say. I will meet people and give them confidence". — The Indian Express, March 5, 2002.

    "It is unfortunate that along with the communal violence that is dangerous for any country, a non-violent secular violence also gets unleashed in the country at the same time by the media."
    — CM Shri Narendra Modi, at a press conference in Gandhinagar on March 5, 2002.

    Mr Modi said the Godhra incident was not a communal riot. Godhra was a ‘mass murder, a terrorist act aimed at long-term damage’.


    — The Times of India, March 7, 2002, quoting from Shri Modi’s address to the Chamber ofCommerce and Industry, Gujarat."I am determined to take out the yatra and tell the world the Gaurav Gatha [Story of Pride] of five crore people of the state. It is not the story of Godhra, Naroda Patia or Gulmarg. Gujarat was not a state of murderers, rapists as the pseudo-secularists, fanatic and power hungry Congress leaders are attempting to project," Modi said.
    – Shri Narendra Modi Aug 28, 2002

    Last week, in Banaskantha, Narendra Modi told a public meeting how "five crore people of Gujarat have voted me the best chief minister of the country but the jealous Congress is trying to malign me." – The Asian Age, Aug 28, 2002

    "Relief camps are actually child-making factories. Those who keep on multiplying the population should be taught a lesson. —Shri Narendra Modi, addressing a rally in Mehsana district during hi s gaurav yatra, quoted in The Hindu, Sept 10, 2002.

    TV tapes prove Modi attacked Muslims

    In the excerpts of the audiotape, a voice — reportedly that of Mr Modi — is heard making inflammatory speeches in Gujarati. The English translation is as follows: "I told them that I got water from Narmada in the month of Shravan. If they had it their way, they would have got it in Ramzan.…What should we do? Run relief camps for them? Do we want to open baby-producing centres? We are five and we will have 25 offspring. Gujarat has not been able to control its growing population and poor people have not been able to get money." —The Asian Age, Sept 15, 2002

    Former Commissioner of Police, Ahmedabad , Shri P.C. Pande (he was CP when the carnage took place) Nothing illustrates police role better than police commissioner P.C. Pande’s statement that, "Police were not insulated from the general social milieu… (When) there’s a change in the perception of society, the police are part of it and there’s bound to be some contagion effect". -– The Telegraph, March 2, 2002BJP leaders

    "For the first time in years, we have had an upsurge of popular sentiment that brought together Dalits, tribals and middle-class Hindus on the same platform," he said.— The Telegraph, March 6, 2002, from a Delhi dateline report filed by the daily’s special correspondent, quoting a BJP minister in the central government, without identifying the person quoted."He (Narendra Modi) has salvaged the party’s credibility and honour in a way no one has done after we came to power in the Centre." — A Union minister from the BJP, not identified by name, quoted in The Telegraph, March 6, 2002."Modi was the only one who had the guts to defend what happened in his state without batting an eyelid or being red-faced. He did not say one thing one day and another the next day."

    — ‘BJP sources’, not identified by name, quoted in The Telegraph, March 6, 2002."After the post-Godhra spontaneous Hindu upsurge, the party will have to consider the people’s strong feelings on Hindutva and nationalism" .

    – Bharat Pandya, BJP MLA, quoted in India Today, March 18, 2002. The report added that at a closed-door meeting with party president, Shri Jana Krishnamurthy in Ahmedabad, MLA after MLA of the BJP talked of reverting to the Hindutva track."The charge that Muslims did not take much interest in the national movement is correct. They don’tconsider India their home." —Vinay Katiyar, BJP’s UP president, purportedly quoting Mahatma Gandhi and Shri Ambedkar, in his first address to the UP state council of the BJP as its president, quoted in The Statesman, Aug 6, 2002,

    Text of the Resolution moved in the US Congress condemning Narendra Modi

    indianchristians.in/news/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=1313

    The following are the Text of the Resolution moved in the US Congress condemning Narendra Modi, text of the Press release by Congressmen John Conyers (Democrat, MI) and Joe Pitts (Republican, PA) - who introduced the resolution, and the Press release by the Coalition Against Genocide, which led the campaign:

    "Mr. Modi has not been shy about proudly professing his anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, and anti-tribal stances. He has repeatedly dehumanized the Muslim population of his state by accusing them of treachery; he has actively sought to interfere in the practice of the Christian faith in Gujarat, and he has caused wide-scale displacement of indigenous populations in the State in the face of stiff popular resistance," said Congressman Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee and the Dean of the Congressional Black Caucus.

    "The evidence is clear. Mr. Modi persecutes religious minorities in Gujarat. Our government should speak with one voice in condemning these policies and the actions of the Modi administration that has led to the death, torture, and imprisonment of thousands in Gujarat," said Congressman Pitts, a member of the India Caucus and the Congressional Human Rights Caucus.

    Introduced just days before Mr. Modi is scheduled to speak at several events in the United States, the legislation –

    1 Condemns the conduct of Chief Minister Narendra for condoning or inciting bigotry and intolerance against any religious group in India, including people of the Christian and Islamic faiths; and

    2. Urges the United States to condemn violations of religious freedom, and to promote and assist other governments in the promotion of, the fundamental right to freedom of religion in India.

    3. Mr. Modi's administration has, according to both India's highest court and many international human rights groups, condoned terrible, violent crimes against religious minorities. This includes the 2002 riots in which 2,000 Indian Muslims and non-Hindus were killed by Hindu mobs. According to the Hindustan Times, minorities in Gujarat are threatened with questions like, "Would you like to live as Hindus or die! like Christians?"

    "India is too strong an ally for us to stand idly by while extremists undermine its commitment to democracy, the rule of law, and human rights. This resolution is the least we can do to support India's efforts to protect religious and ethnic minorities within its borders," said Congressman Pitts.

    Congressman Conyers concluded, "Mr. Modi has attacked Muslims and Christians with vile venom, and according to both India's highest court and many international human rights groups, has condoned terrible, violent religious hate crimes, all the while, shielding those said to have committed them. Such actions by high-ranking government officials of any religion are unacceptable and must not be tolerated. The United States has a duty to set an example for other new democracies by condemning religious intolerance and promoting religious freedom, so that others may see what our great democracy stands for."

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Mr. Mughal,

    You seem to be walking around the questions rather than directly answering them.   Mrs. Kaneez, was honest enough to take the initiative to give her personal view though the questions were posed to you. 

    You circumvent the question on death to apostates, Salman Rushdie or Van Gogh by stating they are citizen of non-Islamic countries.  Let me put it in another way.  What is is you view if they were citizens of an Islamic country?

    You did not condemn Pakistani designs in inciting Hindu-Muslim communal violence in India.  Instead you are trying to deflect the question by bringing in Hindu outfits.  I assume you are a Pakistani.  Do you deny Pakistan's evil role in instigating communal conflicts in India?  Do you deny that outfits such as SIMI, Indian Mujahideen are trained and supported by Pakistani ISI ? 

    Pakistanis should refrain from pretending to be speaking for Muslim Indians.  You should focus on eliminating gross discrimination and massacre of Shias, Ahmedis, Balochis, Pashtoons and other minorities.   How about the three million Bangladeshis that you army butchered and the rape of over 300,000 Bangladeshi women?  Don't forget that Pakistan still is letting half a million Behari Pakistanis rot in Bangladesh in squalid camps.   Your Ziaul Haq himself butchered thousands of Palestinians in the 1970's.   Pakistan has caused the genocide of over five million people, mostly Muslims.   So, please do not advise us. You now have your own country and you shut the door on Indian Muslims soon after 1947.  Please leave us alone to build our country into a harmonious and prosperous one for all Indians. 

    Having said that, Indians- Muslims, Hindus and others- are quite capable of taking care of problems by themselves in their country.   Whether it is Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, naxals, extremism and violence is condemnable and should not be tolerated.  It is against humanism and human conscience.  The Sikh massacre and Gujarat pogrom have forever shamed all Indians with any conscience.  But, that is our affair and our problem.

    I do not wish to turn this topic into an India-Pakistan bashing contest on a thread that is devoted to internal Issues and introspection on Islam.   We can take up India-Pakistan issues on another more appropriate thread if you so choose.

    By Bala Subramanian -



  • Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez,

    Thanks for responding.  What I have quoted about Hizbut-Tahrir, Al-Muhajiroun is the truth.  These pan-Islamic outfits are very serious about their goal of turning the whole world into an Islamic empire, with emphasis on India.   Do research their published manifesto.  You will see what I am talking about. 

    While you agree that apostates should not be peseduted or killed, it is disturbing to hear from you that you approve of death penalty for Salman Rushdie.   You also say that Muslims can't challenge it if they find some aspects of the Islamic scriptures are not acceptable or objectionable. Doesn't this then automatically mean that Muslims are not free to choose if they don't want to follow certain aspects of Islam?  Doesn't this mean that Muslims can't use rationalism, reason and logic in choosing what to believe and how to live?

    By Bala Subramanaian -



  • Amir Moghul

     

    The problem with you is,  that you are too dependent upon the material available on the net and you lack the brains to discern the right from wrong and just to prove your silly point of view, you  copy and paste the links and expect us to buy the bull as you do...the link that you have given that reports tabling of an imaginary apostates bill in the Iranian parliament is nothing but the false propaganda of a Christian site which is already  established notorious site for such propaganda against the Islamic world. Amir moghul (the Islamic cow boy from the wilderness of Pakistani/talibani brand of Islam) You are a concocter par excellence, you would put to shame, even the most evil concoctor/fabricator  of all times the ABU HURAIRA  LANATI  had he been alive. Iran has not put on table any such bill which says punish the apostates, for there are hardly any in Iran [Syeda Kaneez]

    ==============================

    Dear Ms. Syeda,

     

    For your kind perusal,

     

    Ayatollah revives the death fatwa on Salman Rushdie

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article414681.ece

    A FATWA against the author Salman Rushdie was reaffirmed by Iran’s spiritual leader last night in a message to Muslim pilgrims.  British officials anxiously played down comments after Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, told Muslims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Rushdie was an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam, according to the Iranian media.

    Iranian academic sentenced to death http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2415751.stm

    A liberal journalist and academic, Hashem Aghajari, has been sentenced to death for apostasy - the renunciation of his belief - according to Iranian reports. He was arrested in August after a speech in which he called for reform within the Islamic clerical establishment.

    27 Oct 02 | Middle East  Eyewitness: Execution in Tehran
    19 Jul 02 | Middle East  Iranian rapist faces death fall
    16 Aug 01 | Middle East  Three men publicly hanged in Iran
    15 Aug 01 | Middle East  Row over public floggings in Iran
    23 Jul 01 | Middle East  Iranian minister condemns floggings
    12 Jul 01 | Middle East  Iranian adulteress stoned to death
    11 Jun 01 | Middle East  Poll boosts Khatami reform bid
    11 Mar 01 | Middle East  Khatami: Iran must have democracy
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2365751.stm

    Iran: Harsh Sentences Condemned

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2001/01/16/iran-harsh-sentences-condemned

    Another accused participant in the Berlin conference, Hojatoleslam Hassan Youssefi Eshkevari, remains in prison awaiting sentencing by a Special Court for the Clergy on charges of apostasy, which may carry the death penalty. Two other writers, Changiz Pahlevan and Kazem Kardavani, have not returned to Iran from Germany, having been informed that charges have been prepared against them also.

    "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Koran, and all involved in its publication who were aware of its content, are sentenced to death."Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini FATWA issued February, 1989 against Salman Rushdie

    Quotes from just after the Islamic Revolution in 1979:

    "The mullahs are going to rule now. We are going to have ten thousand years of the Islamic republic. The Marxists are going to go on with their Lenin. We are going to go on in the way of Khomeini." Ayatollah Khalkhali

    "What he [Stalin] did in Russia we have to do in Iran. We, too, have to do a lot of killing. A lot." Behzad, Iranian interpreter for Western journalist V.S. Naipaul

    "There is no room for play in Islam... It is deadly serious about everything." Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini Speech at Qum, reported in Timemagazine January 7, 1980

    "Khomeini has offered us the opportunity to regain our frail religion... faith in the power of words." Norman Mailer, at a meeting of authors ragarding the fatwa, New York City, February 1989

    Iran considering death penalty for web-related crimes Agencies
    Published: July 02, 2008, 18:03

    http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Iran/10225472.html

    Tehran: A law that could see the death penalty imposed for cyber crimes is set to be debated in Iran's parliament, reports said on Wednesday. Under the draft bill, those found guilty of promoting corruption, prostitution and apostasy on the internet may face the death penalty. The bill aims to "toughen punishment for harming mental security in society," Iran’s ISNA news agency said.

    Iran: End Persecution of Nobel Laureate

    The Iranian government should end immediately its escalating persecution of Dr. Shirin Ebadi, the 2003 Nobel peace laureate and a leading human rights defender, Human Rights Watch and the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran said today. "We are extremely worried for Shirin Ebadi's safety and her ability to continue her important human rights work," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch.

    Documents Unlawfully Seized at Rights Activist Shirin Ebadi’s Office

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/12/30/iran-end-persecution-nobel-laureate

    Iran: Trial for Conference Attendees November 1, 2000

    In an open letter sent to Iran's chief judicial official, Human Rights Watch called for an end to the
    prosecution of prominent independent and reformist figures who attended an international conference last April. Human Rights Watch sent the open letter to the Head of Iran's judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi. At least twelve activists and writers now face charges of "engaging in propaganda against the national security of Iran." They are being tried in secret before the Revolutionary Court in Tehran, where procedures have in the past fallen far short of international standards for fair trial. "Iran should immediately halt the prosecution of these individuals and all charges against them should be dropped," said Hanny Megally, the Director of the Middle East and North Africa Division. "Those who have remained outside of Iran since the Berlin conference for fear of prosecution should be assured they will not be subject to reprisals upon their return."

    Iran: Enforced closure of human rights centre an ominous development

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE13/180/2008/en

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE13/180/2008/en

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  

    Amir Moghul

    The problem with you is,  that you are too dependent upon the material available on the net and you lack the brains to discern the right from wrong and just to prove your silly point of view, you  copy and paste the links and expect us to buy the bull as you do...the link that you have given that reports tabling of an imaginary apostates bill in the Iranian parliament is nothing but the false propaganda of a Christian site which is already  established notorious site for such propaganda against the Islamic world. If you want any genuine stuff about the development in Iran and their policies get in touch with the Iranian culture centre in Pakistan (if it is not bombed yet) or surf the official and authentic web site of the Iranian govt. Since you are prejudiced and maligned against the Shiites you will pretend to believe things which you very well know are false if it goes against the Shiites, unless you take off your Wahabi glasses made of recycled waste plastic, you would only see the silhouette of truth and not truth itself.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  •  

    Amir moghul

    (the Islamic cow boy from the wilderness of Pakistani/talibani brand of Islam)

    You are a concocter par excellence, you would put to shame, even the most evil concoctor/fabricator  of all times the ABU HURAIRA  LANATI  had he been alive. Iran has not put on table any such bill which says punish the apostates, for there are hardly any in Iran, also when Islam says provide them their worship places if you are the ruler and there are non Muslims amongst your populace ,  so there is not an Iota of truth in what you say ...it can only be the rule of the Talibans and practiced in Pakistan,  it is not Islamic.   When would you learn to keep quiet when two people of higher IQ are talking?

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  •  

    For Shri Bala Subhramaniam

    I understand your questions are for Amir Mogul but since you have already developed a bad taste for his  usual cut/ copy /paste I being a Muslim myself, find it to be my duty to Answer your questions.

    Your questions:

    1) should those who want to leave Islam be ostracized or put to death as apostates?  2) Should they be allowed the choice of leaving Islam peacefully if they so choose? 3) Is it wrong to pronounce death penalty on Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists, or killing Theo Van Gogh?   4) Should Muslims be allowed to study other philosophies, religions and ideologies and allowed to make up their own mind?  5) Should Muslims be allowed to challenge and question aspects of their faith and the scriptures?  (Bala subhramaniam)

    Answers:

    1.   Of course not, those who wish to leave Islam they are as it is doomed and need no further punishment. If anyone says that it punishable in Islam if you revert back to your original belief or you change your faith to any other religion the person is working against Islam. There is no such restriction.

     

    2.   Answer no. 1  answers your second questions I guess

     

    3.   It is absolutely right to pronounce death penalty in case of Salman Rusdie,  but utterly wrong in case of the Danish cartoonist and Theo van Gogh.  SALMAN RUSHDIE case stands alone because he was a Muslim when he indulged in blasphemy and the other two were not.

     

     

    4.   100% !!  Muslims are allowed to make up their own mind in fact this is the preaching of true Islam, Allah swt says come to me with your free will and complete understanding and once you Accept Islam, then your total submission to the will of Allah swt is the basic requirement of your faith. And Mr. Subhramaniam the literal meaning of Islam is ...total submission to the will of Allah swt.

     

    5.   Yes, the Muslims should keep updating their teachings and repeatedly ask questions upon things they don’t comprehend about their religion, but challenge is a very strong word and smells of enmity prejudice and arrogance, which I think should not be used in ones quest for knowledge.

     

    Also you have mentioned about some hidden agenda of Wahabi/ etc etc about conquering India and making it an Islamic nation, is like a dream to take birth even before one’s father is born. And it sounds very much like the hidden agenda of BJP,VHP, BAJRANG DAL ETC ETC   and their  childish dream to make India free of Muslims. Worrying about such sick minds (on either side) would be a waste of time and an impediment in building a stronger India.

    I hope, I have answered your questions the best way I could while staying in the preview of Islam, though I am not a qualified ‘Mullah’ or should I say ‘Mullaiyen’ as is the popular wrong belief that only religiously qualified people can take up questions, I think it is the duty of every Muslim to learn A to Z of Islam and not just follow it like a herd of sheep guarded by a few shepherd breed of dogs, just as, in the case of the  Amir Moghuls and Jamshed Bashas

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • 1- Of course not, those who wish to leave Islam they are as it is doomed and need no further punishment. If anyone says that it punishable in Islam if you revert back to your original belief or you change your faith to any other religion the person is working against Islam. There is no such restriction.

    2.   Answer no. 1  answers your second questions I guess

    3.   It is absolutely right to pronounce death penalty in case of Salman Rusdie,  but utterly wrong in case of the Danish cartoonist and Theo van Gogh.  SALMAN RUSHDIE case stands alone because he was a Muslim when he indulged in blasphemy and the other two were not. [Syeda Kaneez]

    =================================

    Dear Ms Kaneez,

    For your kind perusal,

    Iran Parliament Approves Death Penalty for Apostasy BillBy Michelle A. Vu Christian Post Reporter Thu, Sep. 11 2008 11:02 AM EDT  http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080911/iran-parliament-approves-death-penalty-for-apostasy-bill.htm 

    Lawmakers approved the bill with 196 votes in favor, seven against, and two abstentions, according to U.K.-based Christian Solidarity Worldwide. The draft bill seeks to add several crimes to the list of acts that would result in execution, including “establishing weblogs and sites promoting corruption, prostitution, and apostasy.”

    About the Persecution

    http://iran.bahai.us/2008/09/28/eu-worried-about-freedom-of-religion-in-iran/

    Some 300,000 Baha’is live throughout Iran, making the Baha’i Faith the country’s largest minority religion. The persecution of Baha'is in Iran has been taking place since the religion began there in the mid-nineteenth century. More than 200 Baha’is were killed in Iran between 1978 and 1998, the majority by execution, and thousands more were imprisoned. Official Iranian government documents, smuggled out of the country and authenticated, reveal an initiative by Iran to eradicate the Bahá’í Faith, the largest religious minority in the country By Aamir Mughal -



  • Yes, I agree with you that Pakistan is a trouble maker for not only India, but the whole world.  Especially, they are a big danger to Muslim Indians as they try to incite communal divides between Indians.[BSM]

    ===============================

    Dear Sir,

    Do you have any answer for these acts???

    Poor Muslims of India & Rajinder Sachar Report - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/poor-muslims-of-india-rajinder-sachar.html

    Poor Muslims of India & Rajinder Sachar Report - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/poor-muslims-of-india-rajinder-sachar_18.html

    DALITS, LIKE FLIES TO FEUDAL LORDS


    http://tehelka.com/story_main22.asp?filename=Ne111106Dalits_like.asp

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/dalits-like-flies-to-feudal-lords.html

    Christians in Orissa i.e. in Secular India.

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/christians-in-orissa-ie-in-secular.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Thank you for taking such effort and time to post replies to my comments.  Please give us your personal views and not links and verses.  I request again, please give us your personal view on the following questions: 1) should those who want to leave Islam be ostracized or put to death as apostates?  2) Should they be allowed the choice of leaving Islam peacefully if they so choose? 3) Is it wrong to pronounce death penalty on Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists, or killing Theo Van Gogh?   4) Should Muslims be allowed to study other philosophies, religions and ideologies and allowed to make up their own mind?  5) Should Muslims be allowed to challenge and question aspects of their faith and the scriptures?  [BSM]

    ================================

    Dear Sir,

    Personal opinion are not allowed in those matters in Islam where Allah and Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] have already decided the matter. If anybody leaves Islam and openly declares it too in a country where Apostasy Laws of Islam are Applied then his/her punishment would be death [like you have death punishment in many American States for Murder].

    Law of Apostasy are not applied on Salman Rushdie, Danish Catoonist, Wilder, or Theo Van Gough because they are the citizens of those countries where Blasphemy Laws/Apostasy Laws are not practiced.

    Islam doesn't stop Muslims to read other philosophies, religions and ideologies.

    Discussing Islam's different aspects is not banned in Islam.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Yes, I agree with you that Pakistan is a trouble maker for not only India, but the whole world.  Especially, they are a big danger to Muslim Indians as they try to incite communal divides between Indians.[BSM]

    ==========================

    Dear Sir,

    Who is more dangerous to communal harmony in India? Pakistan or Extreme Hindu Right Wing?

    Read:

    American Funding and Hindutva

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-1.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-2.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-3.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-4.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-5.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-6.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-7.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-8.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-9.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-10.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-11.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/american-funding-of-hindutva-12.html

    British Charity and Hindu Extremism

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/british-charity-hindu-extremism-1.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/british-charity-hindu-extremism-2.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-3.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-4.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-4_01.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-6.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-7.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-7_01.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-9.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-10.html

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/british-charity-hindu-extremism-11.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Yes, I agree with you that Pakistan is a trouble maker for not only India, but the whole world.  Especially, they are a big danger to Muslim Indians as they try to incite communal divides between Indians.[BSM]

    ==================================

    Dear Sir,

    How would you define this?

    Tamil Tigers [LTTE], Israel and India - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/tamil-tigers-ltte-israel-and-india-1.html

    Tamil Tigers [LTTE], Israel and India - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/tamil-tigers-ltte-israel-and-india-2.html

    What about this divide?

    Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrenwale (1947 - 1984) - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/sant-jarnail-singh-bhindrenwale-1947.html

    Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrenwale (1947 - 1984) - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/sant-jarnail-singh-bhindrenwale-1947_31.html

    Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrenwale (1947 - 1984) - 3

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/sant-jarnail-singh-bhindrenwale-1947_2964.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  

    For Shri Bala Subhramaniam

    I understand your questions are for Amir Mogul but since you have already developed a bad taste for his  usual cut/ copy /paste I being a Muslim myself, find it to be my duty to Answer your questions.

    Your questions:

    1) should those who want to leave Islam be ostracized or put to death as apostates?  2) Should they be allowed the choice of leaving Islam peacefully if they so choose? 3) Is it wrong to pronounce death penalty on Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists, or killing Theo Van Gogh?   4) Should Muslims be allowed to study other philosophies, religions and ideologies and allowed to make up their own mind?  5) Should Muslims be allowed to challenge and question aspects of their faith and the scriptures?  (Bala subhramaniam)

    Answers:

    1.   Of course not, those who wish to leave Islam they are as it is doomed and need no further punishment. If anyone says that it punishable in Islam if you revert back to your original belief or you change your faith to any other religion the person is working against Islam. There is no such restriction.

     

    2.   Answer no. 1  answers your second questions I guess

     

    3.   It is absolutely right to pronounce death penalty in case of Salman Rusdie,  but utterly wrong in case of the Danish cartoonist and Theo van Gogh.  SALMAN RUSHDIE case stands alone because he was a Muslim when he indulged in blasphemy and the other two were not.

     

     

    4.   100% !!  Muslims are allowed to make up their own mind in fact this is the preaching of true Islam, Allah swt says come to me with your free will and complete understanding and once you Accept Islam, then your total submission to the will of Allah swt is the basic requirement of your faith. And Mr. Subhramaniam the literal meaning of Islam is ...total submission to the will of Allah swt.

     

    5.   Yes, the Muslims should keep updating their teachings and repeatedly ask questions upon things they don’t comprehend about their religion, but challenge is a very strong word and smells of enmity prejudice and arrogance, which I think should not be used in ones quest for knowledge.

     

    Also you have mentioned about some hidden agenda of Wahabi/ etc etc about conquering India and making it an Islamic nation, is like a dream to take birth even before one’s father is born. And it sounds very much like the hidden agenda of BJP,VHP, BAJRANG DAL ETC ETC   and their  childish dream to make India free of Muslims. Worrying about such sick minds (on either side) would be a waste of time and an impediment in building a stronger India.

    I hope, I have answered your questions the best way I could while staying in the preview of Islam, though I am not a qualified ‘Mullah’ or should I say ‘Mullaiyen’ as is the popular wrong belief that only religiously qualified people can take up questions, I think it is the duty of every Muslim to learn A to Z of Islam and not just follow it like a herd of sheep guarded by a few shepherd breed of dogs, just as, in the case of the  Amir Moghuls and Jamshed Bashas.

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Mr. Mughal,

    Thank you for taking such effort and time to post replies to my comments.  Please give us your personal views and not links and verses.  I request again, please give us your personal view on the following questions:

    1) should those who want to leave Islam be ostracized or put to death as apostates?  2) Should they be allowed the choice of leaving Islam peacefully if they so choose? 3) Is it wrong to pronounce death penalty on Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists, or killing Theo Van Gogh?   4) Should Muslims be allowed to study other philosophies, religions and ideologies and allowed to make up their own mind?  5) Should Muslims be allowed to challenge and question aspects of their faith and the scriptures? 

    By Bala Subramanian -



  • Mr. Mughal,

    Thank you for taking such effort and time to post replies to my comments.  Please give us your personal views and not links and verses.  I request again, please give us your personal view on the following questions:

    1) should those who want to leave Islam be ostracized or put to death as apostates?  2) Should they be allowed the choice of leaving Islam peacefully if they so choose? 3) Is it wrong to pronounce death penalty on Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists, or killing Theo Van Gogh?   4) Should Muslims be allowed to study other philosophies, religions and ideologies and allowed to make up their own mind?  5) Should Muslims be allowed to challenge and question aspects of their faith and the scriptures? 

    By Bala Subramanian -



  • Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez, thanks for the response.  Yes, I agree with you that Pakistan is a trouble maker for not only India, but the whole world.  Especially, they are a big danger to Muslim Indians as they try to incite communal divides between Indians.   But, that is another subject, we can debate that on a more appropriate thread.  

    As for Mr. Mughal or anyone else on this forum, I really don't know who is who and what their leanings and personal agendas are, if any.  However, I do believe in being objective in judging others.  I am very new to this forum and so it would be improper, unjust and dishonest for me to jump to any conclusions about others without fully understanding their views.  So, as yet, I don't know if he is a Wahabi or not.

    I do realize that there are hard core members of Hizbut Tahrir, Al Muhajiroun and such Wahabi/Salafi outfits, operating out of Pakistan and the UK, who cloak themselves in outwardly benign manner.  But these people have a very deep agenda- the agenda of reestablishing the Ottoman Islamic Caliphate stretching from the Mediterranean to the ends of Asia.  Their key goal is to take over India and convert the masses to Islam.  They see India a key piece to achieve their agenda.  They resent the fact that India was partitioned as they reason that an undivided India would have been a lot easier to achieve their agenda.   These Islamists pose a grave danger to the peaceful coexistence of Hindus and Muslims.

    The idea of this New Age Islam forum is a good one if its vision is to pass on a message of peace, tolerance and harmonious coexistence and togetherness with all Indians.

    By Bala Subramanian -



  •  

    For  Jamshed Basha Uncle

    Good!  At least residual guts are still within the great great ass**** Jamshed Basha, it is really nice to have you back Mr Basha, actually my kids were missing the fun from Basha Bashing. Good after a lot of deliberations, consultations and hiding  behind pseudo names, you bowed down to my insistence to show some dignity and not to be afraid of losing your government job, don’t worry man, me not going to complain to your seniors only if you behave decently and don’t vie away your office time in gaining cheap publicity on this site you may post your messages in non working hours and on holidays  and of course if you join me in cursing your uncle Yazeed lanati you may still be spared lols

    Nb: Mr. Basha I am sure you must be aware that Impersonation is a punishable crime under IPC.  And Internet is not a very safe place to do it as most idiots think.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  •  

    For Mr. Bala subhramaniam

    Sir, you are needlessly wasting your precious time trying to put sense into the likes of Amir Moghul he is a Wahabi and I am sure due to your good understanding of Islam you would also know that It is,  these type of people who are responsible for the unrest within Islam and turmoil all over the World, and the epicentre of such hate wending machines is none other than Pakistan itself and if you give a closer look today’s Pakistan is yesterday’s Talibani Afganistan. The Wahabis are not Muslims, though they pretend to be the Most Pious ones, Just as Osama bin laden Projected himself they misinterpret the Quran as and when it suits their evil design and have concocted more hadiths than they have given birth to their children. The wahabis are the devil’s incarnates, no matter how much one tries to bring them back to the mainstream Islam they would not budge from their anti humanity activities viz. Terrorism. Amir Moghul is just the camouflaged version of the Talibans.

    Regards

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Jamshed Basha  Alias  Akbar Ali

     

    You sound like a third class Pimp who is out of business, you deserve a kick In your Wahabi Ass, nothing less nothing more.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • In Pakistan, radical Sunnis are butchering Shias, Ahmedis and other sects on a daily basis for holding different religious views. [BSM]

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    Dear Sir,

    Background of Shia - Sunni Killings in Pakistan is as under:

    "QUOTE"

    Excerpts from a book:

    “The Khomeini revolution in Iran already bolstered the confidence of the Shias, and they were not about to take Sunni dictates in religious matters lying down. Hard-liners among Sunni, for their part, felt that such dictation was their right, and those on the extreme right of the Sunni spectrum simply cut the Gordian knot by taking a position that, correct or not, Pakistan had a Sunni majority and as such it should be declared a Sunni Muslim state in which Shia should be treated as a minority. Since achievement of this holy goal would likely to take some time, some of them decided that the interregnum ought not to be wasted. Thus in 1985 they formed Anjuman Sipah-e-Sahaba (ASS) – an organization piously dedicated to ridding the country of the nettlesome presence of the Shias by eliminating them physically. Later, when they realized what the organization’s acronym meant in English, they changed the name to Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP).”

    “The zealous emissaries of the Iranian Revolutionary Regime started financing their organization Tehreek-e-Nifza-e-Fiqah-e-Jafaria (TNFJ – Movement for the Implementation of Jafaria Religious Law) and providing scholarships for Pakistani student to study in Iranian religious seminaries. For the Zia regime though, the problematic issue was Shia activism leading to a strong reaction to his attempts to impose Hanafi Islam (a branch of Sunni sect). For this he winked to the hard-liners among the Sunni religious groups in order to establish a front to squeeze the Shias. It was in this context that Jhangvi was selected by the intelligence community to do the needful. It is also believed that the JUI recommendation played the decisive part in this choice. The adherents of the Deobandi School were worried about Shia activism for religious reasons anyhow. State patronage came as an additional incentive. Consequently, in a well-designed effort, Shia assertiveness was projected as their disloyalty to Pakistan and its Islamic Ideology.”

    “In a few months, Saudi funds started pouring in, making the project feasible. For Saudi Arabia, the Iranian revolution was quite scary, for its ideals conflicted with that of a Wahabi monarchy. More so, with an approximately 10% Shia population, Saudi Arabia was concerned about the expansion of Shia activism in any Muslim country. Hence, it was more than willing to curb such trends in Pakistan by making a financial investment to bolster its Wahabi Agenda. According to Vali Raza Nasr, a leading expert on the sectarian groups of Pakistan, the flow of these funds was primarily routed through the Pakistan Military and the ISI. It is not known whether American support for this scheme was readily available, but the Zia regime knew well that the United States would be glad to acquiesce, given the rising US – Iran hostility. However, some analyst believe that CIA funds were involved in the venture.”

    Pakistan’s Drift into Extremism: Allah, the Army and America’s War on Terror By Hassan Abbas published by An East Gate Book. M.E. Sharpe Armonk, New York, London England.

    "UNQUOTE"

    American Policy:

    The same US Republican Administration [US War on Terror Regime] used to support a Military Dictator in Pakistan i.e. General Musharraf [2001-2008] specifically after 911 and even if that was not enough the support for that Military Dictator came from the very Islamic Extremists against whom the US Launched the so-called War on Terror:

    "QUOTE"

    1 - During Zia-ul Haq’s rule, General Pervez Musharraf, then a Brigadier, was assigned the task of suppressing the Shia revolt against the Sunni-dominated administration in the Gilgit region. Musharraf used Pathan tribesmen from NWFP and Afghanistan along with his troops to silence the Shias. In the wake of this operation, hundreds of Shias were butchered and displaced from Gilgit. The operations were widely reported in the Herald, a monthly magazine of the daily Dawn in its April and May 1990 issues. It is also said that the Wahabi Pakhtuns who raided Gilgit under Musharraf’s command were led by none other than Osama bin Laden.[1]

    1 - According to a Herald report of May 1990, “In May 1988, low-intensity political rivalry and sectarian tension ignited into full-scale carnage as thousands of armed tribesmen from outside Gilgit district invaded Gilgit along the Karakoram Highway. Nobody stopped them. They destroyed crops and houses, lynched and burnt people to death in the villages around Gilgit town. The number of dead and injured was put in the hundreds. But numbers alone tell nothing of the savagery of the invading hordes and the chilling impact it has left on these peaceful valleys. [1]

    2 - Another point against General Musharraf being a liberal is that most of his political support over the last eight years has come from pro-Islamist conservatives. For those that might have forgotten, the one vote that allowed the pro-Musharraf coalition to win a majority in the National Assembly came from the late Maulana Azam Tariq, leader of the sectarian Sipah-e-Sahaba. [2]

    3 - Musharraf has plainly given the religious groups more free rein in the campaign than he has allowed the two big parties that were his main rivals. In Jhang city, in Punjab province, Maulana Azam Tariq, leader of an outlawed extremist group called Sipah-e-Sahaba, which has been linked to numerous sectarian killings, is being allowed to run as an independent—despite election laws that disqualify any candidate who has criminal charges pending, or even those who did not earn a college degree. [3]

    4 - And while the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi stand officially disbanded, their most militant son and leader, Maulana Azam Tariq, an accused in several cases of sectarian killing, contested elections from jail - albeit as an independent candidate - won his seat, and was released on bail shortly thereafter. The fine line between an outright violation of the law and its insidious subversion by those who appoint themselves its custodians has been blurred so often in Pakistan's chequered political history, that is has now become par for the course. The irony is when the architects of that subversion or violation are those who frame the laws themselves.[4]

    "UNQUOTE"

    References and Notes:

    1 - The Problem of Kashmir and the Problem in Kashmir: Divergence Demands Convergence Strategic Analysis/Jan-Mar 2005 [1]

    http://www.idsa.in/publications/strategic-analysis/2005/jan/Ashutosh%20Mishra.pdf

    2 - VIEW: End of a liberal alliance? —Syed Mansoor Hussain [2]

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C11%5C19%5Cstory_19-11-2007_pg3_2

    3 - General's Election By TIM MCGIRK / KHANA-KHEL With reporting by Syed Talat Hussain/Islamabad Dated Monday, Oct. 07, 2002 [3]

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,501021014-361788,00.html

    4 - For The 'General' Good By Sairah Irshad Khan [4]

    http://www.newsline.com.pk/newsJan2003/cover1jan2003.htm

    NAKED US SUPPORT TO A MILITARY DICTATOR IN PAKISTAN:

    U.S. Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee the judicial dispute is "something that we believe the Pakistanis themselves are going to have to sort out."

    U.S. backs Pakistan judicial reform and mum on judges

    By Paul Eckert, Asia Correspondence Reuters Thursday, February 28, 2008; 4:00 PM

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022802731.html

    During his Senate hearing on Thursday, Mr. Negroponte said, “I think we would, as a general proposition, urge that the moderate political forces work together, and of course President Musharraf is still the president of his country, and we look forward to continuing to work well with him as well.”

    U.S. Embrace of Musharraf Irks Pakistanis By DAVID ROHDE Published: February 29, 2008

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/29/world/asia/29pstan.html?ex=1204952400&en=58664dfa943e52b5&ei=5070&emc=eta1

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/29/world/asia/29pstan.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=58664dfa943e52b5&ex=1204952400&emc=eta1

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- The U.S. has a puzzle to crack in Pakistan.

    The Bush administration wants to ensure military pressure is kept up on militants in the lawless tribal areas, but U.S. support for President Pervez Musharraf risks deepening anti-American sentiment among a public already fuming over Islamabad's role in the war on terror.

    US Support for Musharraf Causes Anger By JASON STRAZIUSO The Associated Press Friday, February 29, 2008; 6:12 AM

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/29/AR2008022900700.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/29/AR2008022900700_2.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  Similar is the case of India, we Muslims are facing hatred from some of fellow Hindus because of same ideology of Muslim rulers like Babar & Aurangzeb etc. Babar also used JIHAAD as tool to win India. [Mohammed Nahid Ansari]

    ============================

    Dear Ansari Sahab,

    Please read the comments on these threads regarding History and Contribution of Muslims in India:

    Are Hindus Ahl-e-Kitab? The question is worth pondering

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=84

    1 - AURANGZEB AND TEMPLES. Distortion of history and the temple issue By Mubarak Ali

    2 - Politicisation of Cow by Mubarak Ali [PhD (on Mughal Period, India) from Ruhr University, Bochum, Germany]

    Indian Muslims: A wonderful model and challenge to the rest of humanity

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1056

    1 - Muslim Legacy In India :: Do Muslims Deserve The Hatred Of Hindus? :: by Javeed Akhter (Tuesday November 25 2003)

    2 - A historian sans blinkers [(Bishambhar Nath Pande born on 23 December 1906 in Madhya Pradesh of Umreth; member UP Legislative Assembly (1952–53); member UP Legislative Council (1972–74); twice member of the Rajya Sabha (1976 and 1982); governor of Orissa state (1983–88); recipient of Padma Shri (1976); author of several books, including The Spirit of India and The Concise History of Congress; died in New Delhi on June 1, 1998).

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Similar is the case of India, we Muslims are facing hatred from some of fellow Hindus because of same ideology of Muslim rulers like Babar & Aurangzeb etc. Babar also used JIHAAD as tool to win India. [Mohammed Nahid Ansari]

    Dear Ansari Sahab,

    Islam, Temples, Sufis and Spread of Islam in India.

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/islam-temples-sufis-and-spread-of-islam.html

    This may help

    Dr Mubarak Ali says the history written in Pakistan had been “dictated” by the ruling Establishment and represents its wilful perversion of facts “to accord with a fabricated ideology”.


    Roots of religious extremism By Mubarak Ali

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-pakistans-islamic-ideology-7.html

    Consciousness of Muslim identity in the Indian Sub-Continent before 1947 by -- Mubarak Ali --

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-pakistans-islamic-ideology-5.html

    Representation of the Turkish Conquests in the Indian History -- Mubarak Ali --

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-pakistans-islamic-ideology-6.html

    History is different from farce: Dr Mubarak By Farman Ali

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/behind-pakistans-islamic-ideology-8.html

    PAKISTAN AND ISLAM : ETHNICITY AND IDEOLOGY by Hamza Alavi

    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sangat/Pakislam.htm

    In Pakistan, radical Sunnis are butchering Shias, Ahmedis and other sects on a daily basis for holding different religious views. [BSM]

    Dear Sir,

    Background is as under:

    America backs Shia-Sunni and Ethnic Wars in Pakistan

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/america-backs-shia-sunni-and-ethnic.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Christianity and Islam each claim to have the only truth and the absolute truth and demand total obedience.  They concentrated on "salvaging" non-believers and imposing their beliefs on them.  Blind submission and obedience is illogical and irrational.  Such dogmatism has been the reason, throughout history, that these ideologies have been mired in ignorance, obscurantism, violence and a bloody history. [BSM]

    ===================================

    Dear BSM,

    Kindly go through this:

    There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. {Verse 256 Chapter 2 AL-BAQARA (THE COW).

    O Messenger! Make known that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord, for if thou do it not, thou wilt not have conveyed His message. Allah will protect thee from mankind. Lo! Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 5 - Verse 67]

    Remind them, for thou art but a remembrancer, Thou art not at all a warder over them. [AL-GHASHIYA (THE OVERWHELMING, THE PALL) Chapter 88 - Verse 21 and 22]

    As for him who thinketh himself independent, Unto him thou payest regard.  Yet it is not thy concern if he grow not (in grace). [ABASA (HE FROWNED) Chapter 80 - Verses 5, 6 and 7]

    So let whosoever will pay heed to it, [[ABASA (HE FROWNED) Chapter 80 - Verse 12]

    Had Allah willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them. Revile not those unto whom they they pray beside Allah lest they wrongfully revile Allah through ignorance. Thus unto every nation have We made their deed seem fair. Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to do (Cattle – VI (Soora Al Anam) Verse 107, 108).

    And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong, and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender {The Spider – XXIX (Soora Al-Ankaboot) Verse 46}.

    Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright. [Verse 125 Chapter 16 AN-NAHL (THE BEE)].

    And if thy Lord willed, all who are in the earth would have believed together. Wouldnt thou (MOHAMMAD) compel men until they are believers? {Jonah – X (Soora Yunus) Verse 99}.

    In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    Say! O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion {The Disbelievers – CIX (Soora Al-Kafiroon) 6 Verses}. 

    The terrorists are also using the same circular logic in equally convincing arguments to support their actions.   They claim they are indeed following the Quran and Hadith to the letter and that they are obeying verbatim and without question.   So who is right? The raging differences of opinions among followers of different Muslim sects is a direct consequence of myopic and dogmatic religious thinking.   In Pakistan, radical Sunnis are butchering Shias, Ahmedis and other sects on a daily basis for holding different religious views. [BSM]

    As I have alread said that there are more political reasons for these Killings, go through the 'reasons and causes' mentioned below:

    Ronald Reagan, William Casey and Jihad

    Tuesday, November 25, 2008

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/ronald-reagan-william-case-and-jihad.html

    The Afghan Pipeline By Steve Galster. - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/afghan-pipeline-by-steve-galster-1.html

    The Afghan Pipeline By Steve Galster. - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/afghan-pipeline-by-steve-galster-1.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Mr. Mughal please answer this: 1) should those who want to leave Islam be ostracized or put to death as apostates?  2) Should they be allowed the choice of leaving Islam peacefully if they so choose? 3) Is it wrong to pronounce death penalty on Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists, or killing Theo Van Gogh?   4) Should Muslims be allowed to study other philosophies, religions and ideologies and allowed to make up their own mind?  5) Should Muslims be allowed to challenge and question aspects of their faith and the scriptures?Please don't quote cut and paste stuff that is a mile long, just give us your personal view. [BSM]

    ==============================================

    Dear Sir,

    You ask questions of your choice and request answers of your choice as well but that doesn't happen. I am posting the links [not mile long TEXT] and if you really want answers then you would have to read the details and draw your own conclusion, I still say there is nothing wrong with Islamic Scripture but with the behaviour of Muslims. By the way Muslims do read literature other than Islamic. Now read the answers of your query:

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law.html

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law_10.html

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 3

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law_771.html

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 4

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law_7697.html

    Heresy, Apostasy & Misuse of Blasphemy Law - 5

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/heresy-apostasy-misuse-of-blasphemy-law_4971.html

    WRONG MUSLIM BEHAVIOUR! READ AND LAMENT

    Here lies the so-called Muslim Ummah! - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/here-lies-so-called-muslim-ummah-1.html

    Here lies the so-called Muslim Ummah! - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/here-lies-so-called-muslim-ummah-2.html

    Here lies the so-called Muslim Ummah! - 3

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/here-lies-so-called-muslim-ummah-3.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • The terrorists are also using the same circular logic in equally convincing arguments to support their actions.   They claim they are indeed following the Quran and Hadith to the letter and that they are obeying verbatim and without question.   So who is right? Is it wrong to pronounce death penalty on Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists, or killing Theo Van Gogh[BSM]

    ====================================

    Dear Sir,

    Terrorists or so-called Jihadis are totally wrong, why? Read every single word of the posts:

    Wrong Methodology and Wrong Application of Jihad

    Alleged Last will of Ghazi and Karbala - I

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/alleged-last-will-of-ghazi-and-karbala.html

    Alleged Last will of Ghazi and Karbala - II

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/alleged-last-will-of-ghazi-and-karbala_19.html

    Alleged Last will of Ghazi and Karbala - III

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/alleged-last-will-of-ghazi-and-karbala_240.html

    Alleged Last will of Ghazi and Karbala - IV

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/alleged-last-will-of-ghazi-and-karbala_6000.html

    Alleged Last will of Ghazi and Karbala - V

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/alleged-last-will-of-ghazi-and-karbala_1421.html

    Alleged Last will of Ghazi and Karbala - VI

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/alleged-last-will-of-ghazi-and-karbala_5534.html

    Best way to answer Salman Rushdie, Danish cartoonists, Theo Van Gogh, Wilders is as under:

    Can You Stomach The Best Of Rushdie?

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/can-you-stomach-best-of-rushdie.html

    Wahabi Al-Munajjid's Reply to Geert Wilders' Fitna.

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/wahabi-al-munajjids-reply-to-geert.html

    Where Muslims should CORRECT themslves!

    Mosques and Imam Bargahs on Encroached Land.

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/mosques-and-imam-barghas-on-encroached.html

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • The terrorists are also using the same circular logic in equally convincing arguments to support their actions.   They claim they are indeed following the Quran and Hadith to the letter and that they are obeying verbatim and without question.   So who is right? [BSM]

    ====================================

    Dear Sir,

    Punishment for such elements who without the permission of the Government, launch Jihad or you may say Anarchy or Terrorism is as under:

    Since 911 many amongst who died in such incidents were Children and Women in Pakistan and around the world as well:

    For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty) , but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)  Chapter 5: Verse 32]

    It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children. [Muslim]

    It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.[Muslim]

    Even in a declared war, certain rules must be followed:

    WHAT IS GOING ON IN PAKISTAN IS HIRABA [means killing people, robbing their money or raping women by an armed group of people]

    The Punishment for such activities are as under:

    The crime of hiraba is based on the following Quranic verse:

    The punishment for those who wage war [yuharibuna] against God and His Prophet, and perpetrate disorders in the land is: kill or crucify them, or have a hand on one side and a foot on the other cut off or banish them from the land (Quran 5:33).

    Hands and legs to be cut off and their eyes to be branded with heated iron pieces and they were thrown at Al-Harra, and when they asked for water to drink, they were not given water. (Bukhari)

    Hiraba is another hadd crime defined in the Quran. It is variously translated as "forcible taking," "highway robbery," "terrorism," or "waging war against the state."

    Islamic legal scholars have interpreted this crime to be any type of forcible assault upon the people involving some sort of taking of property.74 It differs from ordinary theft in that the Quranic crime of theft (sariqa) is a taking by stealth whereas hiraba is a taking by force (Doi 1984, 250, 254; El-Awa 1982, 7). (Thus, the popular translation as "armed robbery.") Although it is generally assumed to be violent public harassment, many scholars have held that it is not limited to acts committed in public places (Sabiq 1993, 2:447).

    It is in the discussions of the crime of hiraba where the crime of rape appears. A brief review of the traditional descriptions of hiraba reveals that rape is specifically included among its various forms. For example, in Fiqh-us-Sunnah, a modern summary of the primary traditional schools of thought on Islamic law, hiraba is described as: a single person or group of people causing public disruption, killing, forcibly taking property or money, attacking or raping women ("hatk al arad"), killing cattle, or disrupting agriculture (Sabiq 1993, 450). Reports of individual scholars on the subject further confirm the hiraba classification of rape. Al-Dasuqi, for example, a Maliki jurist, held that if a person forced a woman to have sex, their actions would be deemed as committing hiraba (Doi 1984, 253). In addition, the Maliki judge Ibn Arabi, relates a story in which a group was attacked and a woman in their party raped. Responding to the argument that the crime did not constitute hiraba because no money was taken and no weapons used, Ibn Arabi replied indignantly that "hiraba with the private parts" is much worse than a hiraba involving the taking of money, and that anyone would rather be subjected to the latter than the former (Sabiq 1993, 2:450). The famous Spanish Muslim jurist, Ibn Hazm, a follower of the Zahiri school, reportedly had the widest definition of hiraba, defining a hiraba offender as: [O]ne who puts people in fear on the road, whether or not with a weapon, at night or day, in urban areas or in open spaces, in the palace of a caliph or a mosque, with or without accomplices, in the desert or in the village, in a large or small city, with one or more people . . . making people fear that they'll be killed, or have money taken, or be raped ("hatk al arad") . . . whether the attackers are one or many (Sabiq 1993, 2:450)."

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • I just wanted to share my honest and intellectually considered humble opinion.  My ultimate wish is to see Hindu and Muslim brothers of India live in total peace and harmony.  This goal cannot be achieved without honest self-introspection and contemplation. I don't wish to engage in a theological debate here nor aim to disrespect anyone's personal beliefs. [BSM]

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    Dear Mr BSM,

    I second you on that, In my humble opinion not only the Hindus and Muslims of India but Indians and Pakistanis should also come to the table [more forums like New Age Islam are needed to encourage person to person dialogue] for long lasting peace and harmony [without any third party intervention, we would have to solve our problems by ourselves] for our Future Generations. The Budget we spend on our Defence [to kill each other] must be diverted towards eradication of Poverty, spreading education, improving Primary and Basic Health centres etc.etc. in the Sub-Continent.

    Sir,

    I will soon try to answer your 5 questions very soon, please give me some time. I will be back soon, and Islam doesn't stop Muslims to interact with Non-Muslims in any kind of healthy debate rather Islam welcomes such debate.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Amir Mughal says:

    >>>>>>>>There is no such thing called Wahabi/Salafi/Sunni/Shia. Islam has nothing to do with such labels rather such labels goes against the teaching of Islam which says that Muslims should call them Muslims.

    Indeed Quranic Verses are the Ultimate Word of Allah and it must be accepted verbatim and obeyed without questioning [because Islam, Quran and Hadith also declare that Killing Non-Combatant, Terrorism, Suicide Bombing etc.etc are Unlawful rather Grave Sin - Read the Verdict at the end, so Muslims should follow Quran and Hadith like verbatim], ....<<<<<<<<<<<

    Mr. Mughal, all your arguments seem to be based on circular logic.  The terrorists are also using the same circular logic in equally convincing arguments to support their actions.   They claim they are indeed following the Quran and Hadith to the letter and that they are obeying verbatim and without question.   So who is right?  Who is to say the terrorists are wrong and you are right?  It can be argued by objective observers that the terrorists indeed seem to be practicing the correct Islam and that Islam is more a political ideology rather than a spiritual one.  The many violent and bigoted verses in the Islamic scriptures cannot be brushed away as just historical or given a positive spin.  Why would a benign and loving god be so apparently cruel even during those "historical" events? 

    Why would an all powerful God leave his words to the interpretation of fallible humans?  If God took his own words and commandments seriously, He would have made sure that there is no ambiguity and the need for elaborate and laborious interpretations.  The rational answer is that no religion is the very word of God.  They are all creations of man and thus should not be dogmatically accepted as the absolute and only truth.   This is what the Christians did.  They wrote a more benign New Testament and sent the bigoted and often violent Old Testament to the dust bin.   A careful reading of the Quran and the Old Testament reveal a lot of similarities.  Christianity and Islam each claim to have the only truth and the absolute truth and demand total obedience.  They concentrated on "salvaging" non-believers and imposing their beliefs on them.  Blind submission and obedience is illogical and irrational.  Such dogmatism has been the reason, throughout history, that these ideologies have been mired in ignorance, obscurantism, violence and a bloody history.

    Mr. Mughal please answer this: 1) should those who want to leave Islam be ostracized or put to death as apostates?  2) Should they be allowed the choice of leaving Islam peacefully if they so choose? 3) Is it wrong to pronounce death penalty on Salman Rushdie and Danish cartoonists, or killing Theo Van Gogh?   4) Should Muslims be allowed to study other philosophies, religions and ideologies and allowed to make up their own mind?  5) Should Muslims be allowed to challenge and question aspects of their faith and the scriptures?  Please don't quote cut and paste stuff that is a mile long, just give us your personal view.

    I don't wish to engage in a theological debate here nor aim to disrespect anyone's personal beliefs.  I just wanted to share my honest and intellectually considered humble opinion.  My ultimate wish is to see Hindu and Muslim brothers of India live in total peace and harmony.  This goal cannot be achieved without honest self-introspection and contemplation.

    By Bala Subramanian -



  •  1st Statement: In my previous post, I have touched this point and raised some questions on the authenticity of Khalifa-1 . And we all believe in Qoran which is same in all Muslim sects (it is wrong belief that Shiite have different Quran), Ahadees  (The sayings and deeds of the Mohammed PUH)and Five Pillars of Islam (Kalama, Prayer, Charity, Fasting & Pilgrimage) [Nahid Ansari]

    2nd Statement: My dear Amir, Sahii Bukhari, Sahii Tirmizi & Sahii Muslims are nothing but like Nanawati Commission reports on Godhra carnage just to cite the reasons to justify unlawful Khilafat and the pogrom they perpetrated during their Khilafat e.g. Karbala [Mohammed Nahid Ansari]

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    Dear Ansari Sahab,

    If the Collection of Hadiths are nothing but Nanawati Commission Report for you then what was the need of your first statement wherein you inculded Hadiths as article of Faith on which Muslims have faith. Why these two statements from you  denying each other???

    Virtue of Ahl Al Bayt in Hadiths [which as per Mr Ansari are nothing but Nanawati Commission Report]:

    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

    While I was standing amongst the people who were invoking Allah for Umar bin Al-Khattab who was lying (dead) on his bed, a man behind me rested his elbows on my shoulder and said, "(O 'Umar!) May Allah bestow His Mercy on you. I always hoped that Allah will keep you with your two companions, for I often heard Allah's Apostle saying, "I, Abu Bakr and 'Umar were (somewhere). I, Abu Bakr and 'Umar did (something). I, Abu Bakr and 'Umar set out.' So I hoped that Allah will keep you with both of them." I turned back to see that the speaker was Ali bin Abi Talib. [Bukhari]

    Narrated Salama:

    Ali happened to stay behind the Prophet and (did not join him) during the battle of Khaibar for he was having eye trouble. Then he said, "How could I remain behind Allah's Apostle?" So 'Ali set out following the Prophet , When it was the eve of the day in the morning of which Allah helped (the Muslims) to conquer it, Allah's Apostle said, "I will give the flag (to a man), or tomorrow a man whom Allah and His Apostle love will take the flag," or said, "A man who loves Allah and His Apostle; and Allah will grant victory under his leadership." Suddenly came 'Ali whom we did not expect. The people said, "This is 'Ali." Allah's Apostle gave him the flag and Allah granted victory under his leadership. [Bukhari]

    Narrated Ubaida:

    Ali said (to the people of 'Iraq), "Judge as you used to judge, for I hate differences (and I do my best ) till the people unite as one group, or I die as my companions have died." And narrated Sad that the Prophet said to 'Ali, "Will you not be pleased from this that you are to me like Aaron was to Moses?" [Bukhari]

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    The people used to say, "Abu Huraira narrates too many narrations." In fact I used to keep close to Allah's Apostle and was satisfied with what filled my stomach. I ate no leavened bread and dressed no decorated striped clothes, and never did a man or a woman serve me, and I often used to press my belly against gravel because of hunger, and I used to ask a man to recite a Quranic Verse to me although I knew it, so that he would take me to his home and feed me. And the most generous of all the people to the poor was Ja'far bin Abi Talib. He used to take us to his home and offer us what was available therein. He would even offer us an empty folded leather container (of butter) which we would split and lick whatever was in it. [Bukhari]

    Narrated Ash-Sha'bi:

    Whenever Ibn 'Umar greeted Ibn Jafar, he used to say: "As-salamu-'Alaika (i.e. Peace be on you) O son of Dhu-l-Janahain (son of the two-winged person)." [Bukhari]

    Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama:

    Allah's Apostle said, "Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry." [Bukhari]

    Narrated Abu Bakra:

    I heard the Prophet talking at the pulpit while Al-Hasan was sitting beside him, and he (i.e. the Prophet ) was once looking at the people and at another time Al-Hasan, and saying, "This son of mine is a Saiyid (i.e. chief) and perhaps Allah will bring about an agreement between two sects of the Muslims through him." [Bukhari]

    Narrated Usama bin Zaid:

    That the Prophet used to take him and Al-Hasan, and used to say, "O Allah! I love them, so please love them," or said something similar. [Bukhari]

    Narrated Al-Bara: I saw the Prophet carrying Al-Hasan on his shoulder an saying, "O Allah! I love him, so please love him." [Bukhari]

    Narrated 'Uqba bin Al-Harith:

    I saw Abu Bakr carrying Al-Hasan and saying, "Let my father be sacrificed for you; you resemble the Prophet and not 'Ali," while 'Ali was laughing at this. [Bukhari]

    Narrated Anas:

    None resembled the Prophet more than Al-Hasan bin 'Ali did. [Bukhari]

    Narrated Ibn Abi Nu'm:

    A person asked 'Abdullah bin 'Umar whether a Muslim could kill flies. I heard him saying (in reply). "The people of Iraq are asking about the killing of flies while they themselves murdered the son of the daughter of Allah's Apostle . The Prophet said, They (i.e. Hasan and Husain) are my two sweet basils in this world." [Bukhari]

    Amir b Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported (l on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) addressing 'All said: You are in the same position with relation to me as Aaron- (Harun) was in relation to Moses but with (this explicit difference) that there is no prophet after me. Sa'd said: I had an earnest desire to hear it directly from Sa'd, so I met him and narrated to him what (his son) Amir had narrated to me, whereupon he said: Yes, I did hear it. I said: Did you hear it yourself? Thereupon he placed his fingers upon his ears and said: Yes, and if not, let both my ears become deaf. [Muslim]

    Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) left 'Ali b. Abi Talib behind him (as he proceeded) to the expedition of Tabuk, whereupon he ('Ali) said: Allah's Messenger, are you leaving me behind amongst women 4nd children? Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there would be no prophet after me. [Muslim]

    Sa'd reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying to 'Ali: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses? [Muslim]

    Suhail reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said on the Day of Khaibar: I shall certainly give this standard in the hand of one who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah will grant victory at his hand. Umar b. Khattab said: Never did I cherish for leadership but on that day. I came before him with the hope that I may be called for this, but Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali b. Abu Talib and he conferred (this honour) upon him and said: Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory, and 'Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah. [Muslim]

    Sahl b. Sa'd reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said on the Day of Khaibar: I would certainly give this standard to a person at whose hand Allah would grant victory and who loves Allah and His Messenger and Allah and His Messenger love him also. The people spent the night thinking as to whom it would be given. When it was morning the people hastened to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) all of them hoping that that would be given to him. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Where is 'Ali b. Abu Talib? They said: Allah's Messenger, his eyes are sore. He then sent for him and he was brought and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) applied saliva to his eyes and invoked blessings and he was all right, as if he had no ailment at all, and coraferred upon him the standard. 'Ali said: Allah's Messenger, I will fight them until they are like us. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Advance cautiously until you reach their open places, thereafter invite them to Islam and inform them what is obligatory for them from the rights of Allah, for, by Allah, if Allah guides aright even one person through you that is better for you than to possess the most valuable of the camels. [Muslim]

    Salama b. Akwa' reported that it was 'Ali whom Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) left behind him (in the charge of his family and the Islamic State) on the occasion of the campaign of Khaibar, and his eyes were inflamed and he said: Is it for me to remain behind Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? So he went forth and rejoined Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and on the evening of that night (after which) next morning Allah granted victory. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I will certainly give this standard to a man whom Allah and His Messenger love. or he said: Who loves Allah or His Messenger and Allah will grant him victory through him, and, lo, we saw 'Ali whom we least expected (to be present on that occasion). They (the Companions) said: Here is 'Ali. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon hin) gave him the standard. Allah granted victory at his hand. [Muslim]

    Yazid b. Hayyan reported, I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes. [Muslim]

    Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited. [Muslim]

    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying to Hasan: O Allah, behold, I love him. Thou too love him and love one who loves him. [Muslim]

    Abu Huraira reported: I went along with Allalh's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at a time during the day but he did not talk to me and I did not talk to him until he reached Bazar of Banfi Qainuqal. He came back to the tent of Fatima and said: Is the little chap (meaning Hasan) there? We were under the impression that his mother had detained him in order to bathe him and dress him and garland him with a sweet garland. Not much time had passed that he (Hasan) came running until both of them embraced each other, thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: O Allah, I love him; love him Thou and love one who loves him (Hasan). [Muslim]

    Al-Bara' b. Azib reported: I saw Hasan b. 'Ali upon the shoulders of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he was saying: O Allah, I love him, and love him Thou. [Muslim]

    Iyas reported on the authority of his father: I (had the honour of) leading the white mule on which rode Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and with him were Hasan and Husain, till it reached the apartment of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him). The one amongst them was seated before him and the other one was seated behind him. [Muslim]

    'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one norning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped hitn under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying) [Muslim]

    Note: These Virtues of Ahl Al Bayt are compiled from Saheeh Bukhari's Chapter Companions of the Prophet and from Saheeh Muslim's The Book Pertaining to the Merits of the Companions (Allah Be Pleased With Them) of the Holy Prophet (May Peace Be Upon Him) (Kitab Al-Fada'il Al-Sahabah)

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Kaneez,

    You said I am a non-entity. I am very much available to you. Would you like to meet me? What kind of woman you are and calling yourself a shia but you are spoiling the names of our community. Shame on you and your rubbish write ups. You are such a disgraceful woman talking about sex openlyin this forum. Don't you feel ashamed of yourself. You are sullying the name of the community. Say Salawat, Allhumma Mohammed Aale Mohammed and repent for your misdeeds.

    By Akber Ali -



  • My brief absence from the debate on the fallacies associated with the dogmatic belief of a break away religion, made many a detractors blood thirsty particularly Kaneez. She is like a cat on the hot tin roof, inable to bear my absence, tried all tricks under her sleeves, exposing her true self in an attempt to denigrate the great scholarly people like me and Amir Mughal.

    I was just watching from a distance the way people like Dilshad, Ali, Akbar Ali, Fawwaz Ahmed, Hasan Iqbal and scores of others including Mr. Balasubramaniam joining the debate highlighted the crisis of medieval mentality. Kaneez was so obsessed with me that she sees me in every writer calling them gost writers or pseudo writers. But it is for them to respond and not for me as I am always available not only on this web page but also on other pages too, where my contribution on various hot and sour topics of the day are appreciated. I was busy contributing my might on other topics of interest and importance to the muslim community rather than wasting time on speaking about an event that has taken place and slipped into history some 1400 yesrs ago. My articles on other subjects have been available on the web page.

    Well said Mr. Balasubramaniam and others. This is the malady of the muslim community as they refuse to come out their medieval thinking. To them Islam of yester years is to be followed in letter and spirit. To them I must say that Islam is not static but dynamic and for all periods of time. It withstood the test of time and passing through a period of not one year but 1400 years, still going strong could boast of as the second biggest religion on earth after Christianity. It is a way of life. But some have taken this to extreme depending upon their level of thinking. To some Karbala was ultimate saviour event of Islam. But to the great credit of Amir Mughal, he clarified that Islam was perfected by Allah much before when Hussein Ra was a child. Allah says, "Akmaltu Lakum Deenukum" He has perfected the Deene Islam. Then an event like Karbala, which was one among many more such events that took place inthe history of Islam, nothing to do with perfection or saving of Islam as rightly pointed out by Amir Mughal and Sultan Shahin in their posts. But to some who always revel in such concocted history, projects things that never took place in history, intolerance is the key word. They do not accept any reality that will expose their dogmas. Mr. Balasubramaniam was right when he said that "When religion becomes a political ideology rather than being confined to the domain of personal spiritual purification,  intolerance, bigotry, violence and terrorism will be the manifesting effects.   Religious absolutism is a disease that will only breed hatred, conflicts, bigotry and misery to humankind." What a tragedy for a few that people of other faiths have to remind us that we are still living in medieval age harping and unable to reconcile to the appointment of First Caliph and giving Ali Ra a mortal being the status of a God. Is this Islam? It will never be.   After expose by Dilshad Begum, I must go through the Google search machine and YouTube to further expose the fallacies of a dogmatic belief. But then it is not going to help either but would heighten the tempers. Let us put an end to this here with a note of agreeing to disagree. I have many a more important topic to ponder and write than to waste answering third rated comments here which is below my dignity and status. To some slander and curse may be a way of life, let them continue. I can only say, let the dog bark while my caravan goes on, on and on.....unmindful of the barking. Good bye !

    By Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India -



  • If one accepts being inside the "box" and consider the Quran to be the very immutable words of God, the Wahabis/Salafis are correct in saying that every word in the Quran must be accepted verbatim and obeyed without questioning.  The raging differences of opinions among followers of different Muslim sects is a direct consequence of myopic and dogmatic religious thinking.   In Pakistan, radical Sunnis are butchering Shias, Ahmedis and other sects on a daily basis for holding different religious views. [Bala Subramanian]

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    Dear Sir,

    There is no such thing called Wahabi/Salafi/Sunni/Shia. Islam has nothing to do with such labels rather such labels goes against the teaching of Islam which says that Muslims should call them Muslims.

    Indeed Quranic Verses are the Ultimate Word of Allah and it must be accepted verbatim and obeyed without questioning [because Islam, Quran and Hadith also declare that Killing Non-Combatant, Terrorism, Suicide Bombing etc.etc are Unlawful rather Grave Sin - Read the Verdict at the end, so Muslims should follow Quran and Hadith like verbatim],

    Allah says..

    He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed. [AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN)  Chapter 3 - Verse 7]

    What is happening in Pakistan is basically a politically motivated Sectarian War having several vested interest behind these Sectarian Killings and please note Islam also forbids such acts of madness, problem is not with the Islamic Scripture but General Behaviour within the Muslim Societies and that needs a Complete Overhauling horizontally and vertically. 

    Sorry, the Saudi school is exposed with the terror network and soon will be doomed [Faraz Ahmed Haq]

    Dear Faraz Sahab,

    I also differ with the way things are managed by the Saudis regarding World Politics but their Mullahs and Mutawwas are rigidly against Terrorist Activites and Mr Sultan Shahin and the admin of New Age Islam have even started a Thread:

    Tracking down terrorists is a great Jihad’: Saudi cleric Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1072

    SAUDI - WAHABI - SALAFI - AHL-E-HADITH and Terrorism:

    The so-called Holy War, which is prevalent in the Muslim World, is not Jihad and Salafi-Wahabi Scholars of Saudi Arabia are saying that:

    1- Makkah Imam says "Nip Terror Groups in the Bud"

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0040724.htm

    2- Public Urged to Inform on Terrorists - Grand Mufti

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0040605.htm

    3- Haram Imams Denounce Terrorist Attacks

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0040508.htm

    4- "Crush Terror Mercilessly" - Grand Mufti

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0040201.htm

    5- Makkah Imam Equates Riyadh Bombing With Israeli
    Terror

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0031115.htm

    6- "Don’t Abuse the Concept of Jihaad"

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0030822.htm

    7- Shaykh Saalih al-Fowzaan on the Riyadh Bombings

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0030531.htm

    8- The Council of Senior Scholars on the Riyadh

    Suicide Bombings

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0030518.htm

    9- Regarding suicide bombings

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/worship/jihaad/jih004/0030409.htm

    10- Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez Aal ash-Shaykh says suicide bombings are un-Islaamic...

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0010421.htm

    11- Concerning suicide bombings

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/worship/jihaad/jih004/0010915_1.htm

    12- Attacking the enemy by blowing oneself up in a car

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/worship/jihaad/jih004/0001027_2.htm

    13- Committing suicide

    http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/worship/jihaad/jih004/0001027_3.htm

    The Takfiris make unlicensed Takfeer of Governments and scholars and call the common-folk to bloody revolution as a way to remove such governments and establish Islaamic Law.

    http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/downloads/pdf/MSC060006.pdf

    Khawarij Renewed Indeology.
     
    http://abdurrahman.org/innovation/Khawaarij-renewedIdeology.pdf

    Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan exposes the ideology of the Khawaarij and its evil effects upon the land, and also those Hypocrites who lurk in the midst and who only reveal their true colours following certain events and incidents, desiring evil for Islam. [28-May-03 : 08:51 PM]

    The Ummah in Conflict   (17 Articles)

    Shaykh Salih al-Fawzaan on the Khawaarij, the Bombings (in Riyaadh) and the Sanctioning of the Hypocrites Updated
    Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan exposes the ideology of the Khawaarij and its evil effects upon the land, and also those Hypocrites who lurk in the midst and who only reveal their true colours following certain events and incidents, desiring evil for Islam. [28-May-03 : 08:51 PM]

     The Major Scholars on the Salafee Position Towards the Suicide Bombings by the Khawaarij in Riyadh
    The Salafee position concerning the Sharee'ah ruling on these acts, explaining the five necessities that Islaam protects, the types of people the Islaamic Sharee'ah prohibits harming and killing, and the great crime and opposition to the Sharee'ah of thes [17-May-03 : 12:00 AM]

    The Mufti of Saudi Arabia on the New York Attacks (9-11)
    The Shaykh frees Islaam from all forms of oppression and clears it of the false claims made against it, and makes it clear that Islaam forbids terrorism and injustice, and he calls the Scholars of Islaam to clarify that Islaam does not sanction terrorism. [20-Sep-01 : 12:00 AM

    Shaykh Ubayd al-Jaabiree on the Muslims Position Towards Iraaq Updated
    The Shaykh explains that the Iraqi Society is not all Muslim, that the affair is in the hands of the Scholars and Rulers, and that one needs to look at the banner of fighting, and also the importance of supplicating for the Muslims in Iraq. [31-Mar-03 : 11:06 PM]

    Guidance From the Scholars Concerning Iraaq
    Advice and guidance from the Shaykhs that each person must return back to his own soul and check and rectify it, to make supplication for the Muslims and the need for leaving the affair for the Scholars. [31-Mar-03 : 12:00 AM]

    Shaykh Rabee' bin Haadee on the Path to Deliverance in Light of Events in Iraaq
    The Noble Shaykh gives strong words of advice to the Ummah concerning the true and real way of removing the afflictions and finding and returning to the real way to rescue and deliveration in the times of tribulation and crisis. [31-Mar-03 : 12:00 AM]

    Allaamah al-Fawzaan on the Palestinians (April 2002)
    The Noble Shaykh explains the obligation of helping the Palestinians with both wealth and supplication and that demonstrations are not from Islaam, bring no benefit and only please the Kuffaar. [15-Apr-02 : 12:00 AM]

    Shaikh Rabee on Current Events in Afghanistan
    The Noble Shaikh Rabee discusses the horrendous situation now being witnessed in Afghanistan and discusses the role of the biased partisans in bringing this situation upon the Afghani people and the Afghan state. [28-Nov-01 : 12:00 AM]

    Verdicts From the Scholars on Rallies, Demonstrations, Revolt and Takfir
    An compilation of the verdicts of Imaam al-Albani, Imaam Ibn Baaz, and Imaam Ibn Uthaimeen pertaining to the fitnah in Algeria specifically and issues of takfir, revolt and rallies generally. [01-Oct-01 : 12:00 AM]

    Shaikh Salih as-Suhaymee on Recent Events in the US
    Shaikh Salih as-Suhaymee, of Madinah, Saudi Arabia, addresses the issues of Islaam and terrorism, in light of the recent events that took place in the US. [16-Oct-01 : 12:00 AM]

    The Shaikhs of Jordan on Recent World Events
    A statement from the Imaam al-Albani centre, Jordan, on the recent terrorist attacks in the US, and some of the affairs that have followed on from that since, such as the devised conquest of Muslim Afghanistan. [15-Oct-01 : 07:51 PM]

    Imaam Ibn Baaz's Advice on the Algerian Situation
    Imaam Ibn Baaz clearing the lie against him that he advised the using of force in da'wah work and also the correct methodology in bringing about rectification in the land. [16-Sep-01 : 12:00 AM]

    Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen's Advice Concerning the Algerian Crisis And Additional Notes on Revolution and Terrorism
    A compilation of numerous statements and discussions of the Shaikh concerning the factions in Algeria - all of which are in stark contrast to what the revolutionary takfiris opined and forged about him. [16-Sep-01 : 12:00 AM]

    The Fataawaa of the Major Scholars on the Bloodshed in Algeria [Arabic]
    A compilation of the statements of four of the major scholars of our time in relation to the fighting, takfir, bloodshed and revolution that took place in Algeria, leading to the destruction of the worlldly affairs. [01-Aug-01 : 12:00 AM]

    Tarbiyah : The Key to the Ummah's Victory
    The laws by which Allaah's creation operates, the basis of His assistance to the Ummah and granting it victory or defeat. [04-Nov-00 : 12:00 AM]

    Shaikh ul-Islaam Strikes Important Lessons for the Ummah
    Shaikh ul-Islaam describes the prevailing situation at the onset of the Tartar Invasion and the condition of the Muslims. [27-Oct-00 : 12:00 AM]

    Shaikh Rabee' bin Haadee's Advice to the Ummah and the Palestinians
    The Noble Shaikh strikes important lessons for the Ummah as a whole and makes reminders of many matters which have unfortunately been forgotten. [24-Oct-00 : 07:59 PM]

    Murder, Manslaughter and Terrorism -- All in the Name of Allah

    by Pakistani Scholar Mr. Jawed Ahmed Ghamdi

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/12/murder-manslaughter-and-terrorism-all.html


     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • I would like to make my following comments with due respect to the posters here.  I request my Muslims friends here to allow me to be candid and honest with my views.  No disrespect meant.

    Having done extensive research and self-study, my conclusion is that Muslims as a whole are afflicted with lack of logic, reasoning and rationalism.  They seem to mentally live in medieval past of 1400 years ago.  argue endlessly what the correct interpretation of a particular verse is and who is correct, rather than using the god-given reasoning power to question and challenge various dogmas and ideologies.   The problem stems from the very fundamental indoctrination that words in a book are immutable and unchallengeable.  With respect to any ideology, religious or others, once we get ourselves in such a mind-frame,  we confine ourselves into a closed box of narrow and circular thinking to justify our beliefs and agendas.

    If one accepts being inside the "box" and consider the Quran to be the very immutable words of God, the Wahabis/Salafis are correct in saying that every word in the Quran must be accepted verbatim and obeyed without questioning.  Therein lies the fundamental problem.  The Christians had similar problems before the renaissance.  Scientists such as Galileo were censured and tortured and killed for speaking the scientific and logical truth that was against the church teachings.  The Christians deserve credit for overcoming such medieval and irrational dogmas and ultimately building a progressive and new paradigm suited to the modern days with humanism assuming more and more importance over any religious dogmas.   Such a renaissance, driven by out-of-the-box thinking, is long overdue in Islam.

    The raging differences of opinions among followers of different Muslim sects is a direct consequence of myopic and dogmatic religious thinking.   In Pakistan, radical Sunnis are butchering Shias, Ahmedis and other sects on a daily basis for holding different religious views. 

    One very fundamental question that Muslims must ask is what are the significant truly spiritual revelations that Islam has that had not already been revealed by earlier religions.  Spirituality has to be a lot more than just rituals, fearing god, obeying god, fearing punishment and so on.   Muslims, and followers of other faiths as well, must allow themselves to question, challenge, debate their faith without fear of being physically harmed and named apostates.   Why should any secure faith fear being rationally and logically analyzed?  Why not extensively study other philosophies, religions and even atheistic views to rationally convince oneself that their beliefs and path are the most ideal for personal spiritual upliftment?   We are all born into a certain faith and are raised to believe that faith.  We accept the faith not because we believe it to be the truth, but because we were raised to believe it to be the truth.  There is a big difference between spirituality and absolutist religiosity.  Any faith or belief adopted after honest, open-minded and rational study will be much stronger.

    I would respectfully submit that until and unless Muslims look upon themselves as fellow human beings first instead of through the colored prism of religion and only as Muslims first, controversy and conflict will continue to rage.   When religion becomes a political ideology rather than being confined to the domain of personal spiritual purification,  intolerance, bigotry, violence and terrorism will be the manifesting effects.   Religious absolutism is a disease that will only breed hatred, conflicts, bigotry and misery to humankind.  

    By Bala Subramanian (BSM) -



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    Mohtaram  Sultan Shahin sb.

    If what happened in Mumbai in November end in your eyes, can be equated with Karbala, then I am sure you would not hesitate to call the perpetrators of the terrorist act, the Yazeeds of today, and if you accept, then you should not hesitate in pointing a finger at them and also identifying their true belief which is certainly not the real Islam. It is Wahabiat.  Sometimes cursing is also a way of protest and should not be looked down upon,  turning a blind eye to wrong done in the past by so called Sahabis and saying who are we to curse let Allah swt Decide is a trait of weak faith and wavering belief. You may have your own way of protest, which may be so discreet, that sometimes it is confusing and ambiguous for us ordinary believers, Just as crying is a sign of life cursing is also a sign of inclination of faith. Unless we remember the past in most vivid terms year by year and generation by generation we would never be able to avoid the ‘Karbalas’  which you refer to.

    wassalam

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Janab Hasan Iqbal Saheb,

     

    Karbala, of course, has a unique place in our hearts and minds and our history. No other incident can possibly have the same impact and the same resonance with us and convey to us the same meaning. But right now we are living in a world where our Palestinian brothers and sisters are being massacred, bombarded from air, and no one in the world seems to care. This is hardly the time for us to be fighting the battle of Karbala all over again.

     

    Karbala is for us a metaphor for “a battle between justice and falsehood, between freedom and slavery and between humanity and oppression” (in your words). The real battle at karbala was, as you say, “not over power but over justice and obedience to Allah and His Prophet.” But to infer from this that such battles ceased after Karbala, is, to my mind rather erroneous. Karbalas are happening all the time, sometimes within our own minds and in the depths of our souls too, not to speak of the continuing war between the exploiting classes of the society and the exploited, between those who are prepared to go to any length to acquire worldly power and wealth and the rest of the society, and all over the world, in all societies, regardless of what religion they profess at a given time.

     

    There have been and are tyrants far crueler than even Yazeed was. Yes, I repeat, Karbala is unique for us Muslims. But there have been many holocausts and one is happening just now being perpetrated by a people who think they are the only victims of the only holocaust in the world. May I suggest that we rise a little above ourselves and recognize all the holocausts in history and honour all the victims of all holocausts including the victims of anti-Jewish holocaust perpetrated by Nazi Germany.

     

    Our own Mumbai was the scene of a karbala just a month ago. Ask the family members of those killed in the terror attack. There is no other karbala for them. No other karbala would match the horror of Mumbai for them. Imagine for a moment the horror and terror of those innocents who got killed in an instant for no fault of theirs. Any of us could be a victim of a similar karbala tomorrow. Imagine the terror of the residents of Gaza today. Imagine the horror of someone wondering when the next bomb is going to fall on his or head and on the heads of their near and dear ones.

     

    Let us not forget The Karbala. But that was 1400 years ago. Let us also think for a moment of the karbalas of today. We will be dishonouring the victims of The Karbala, if we do nothing to stop the karbalas of today. Just think for a moment what the Prophet (peace be upon him) would want us to do – keep crying over the cruel massacre of his family members 14 centuries ago or to continue the “battle between justice and falsehood, between freedom and slavery and between humanity and oppression” for which his family members got murdered and seek to prevent the karbalas of today and tomorrow. Let us not just mourn the massacre of Ahle-Bait-e-Rasool (The Prophet’s Family), and curse Yazeed, let us fight the yazeeds of today and try to prevent them from perpetrating other massacres, other holocausts, and other karbalas tomorrow.

     

    As you rightly said, Hasan Iqbal Saheb, “Karbala has been one of the greatest weapons throughout the years for inspiring resistance against the oppressors and renewing our bonds of faith and faithfulness to Islam.” Clearly you recognize that other karbalas do and can take place. Let us try and face them with the same resolve and spirit of personal sacrifice with which Imam Hussain and his family members faced the yazeed of his time.

     

    Sultan Shahin

    By Sultan Shahin -



  • Janab Sultan Shahin Sb,

     

    Karbala doesn't happen everyday. Karbala was a battle between justice and falsehood, between freedom and slavery and between humanity and oppression.  Imam Husain (as) made the decision to confront injustice and tyranny rather than be complacent to it. The victory of Karbala was not decided in the battlefield but in the hearts of the truth-seekers and lovers of Allah. The real battle was not over power but over justice and obedience to Allah and His Prophet. We are indebted to the blessed movement of Imam Husain (as). This movement wasn’t a movement in history so much as it was a movement for history. Karbala has been one of the greatest weapons throughout the years for inspiring resistance against the oppressors and renewing our bonds of faith and faithfulness to Islam. [Hasan Iqbal]

     

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    Dear Hasan,

     

    I wont deny the Tragedy of Karbala but the way it is reported by Historians is basically an insult for the Great Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him], if you live in India then buy a Book on the Tragedy of Karbala compiled by Abi Mikhnaf by the name of Maqtal Hussein aka Maqtal Abi Mikhanf [the book was translated in Hyderabad Deccan India] and go through it and you will be ashamed to know as to how the Ahl Al Bayt were discussed in that book and its author is the only Source which are quoted by Historians and from this book is also quoted every year in Muharram ul Haram by Shia Scholar in their Majalis.

     

    Shia and Sunni Sources on Hasnain's acceptance of Muawiyah's Khilafa:

    [Akhbar Al Tawal Al Denwary page 234, Tabari Page 62 Volume 6, Al Imama Wal Siyasa page 173, Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 4 published in Najaf]

    Hazrat Muawiya [May Allah be pleased with him]'s Excellent Treatment with Hasan and Hussain [May Allah be pleased with both of them]:

    Hussain used to go with Hasan to meet Muawiyah in Damascus and at one stance Muawiyah gifted 2 Million Dirham to both and at anothe ocassion he gifted Hazrat Hasan 4 Million Dirham [Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir Page 150 and Page 127 Volume 8] This narration is confirmed by Ibn Abi Al Hadid (Mutazilli Shia) in his translation of Nehjul Balagha page 823 Volume 2] and this further confirmed by Extremist Shias like Abu Mikhnaf in his book Maqtal Abi Mikhnaf page 7].
     

    No doubt the Tragedy of Karbala was a great tragedy and Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] and his Ahl Al Bayt [May Allah have mercy on their souls] were innocent and wrongfully martyred but it was Hazrat Hussein's [May Allah be pleased with him] individual act and had nothing to do with Islam. Islam was perfected much earlier before the martyrdom of Hazrat Hussein [May Allah be pleased with him] and his Ahl Al Bayt [May Allah have mercy on their souls], as Quran says:

     

    This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) Chapter 5 - Verse 3]

     

    If you talk about the Incident of Karbala as quoted in History i.e. Tabari [you wont approve what Tabari has written about Shia in the sam History], Ibn-e-Athir, Tabaqat-e-Ibn-e-Saad, Sawaiqul Muharriqa, Al Bidayah Wal Nihaya by Ibn Kathir [you wont agree with the text written about Yazeed Ibn Muawiyah], Tareekhul Khulafa by Siyoti, and last but not the least Ibn-e-Khaldun then please do remember on thing that they all have quoted Tabari and Tabari has quoted Abu Mikhnaf Lut bin Yahya Azdi Ghamidi to report the Incident of Karbala, and this narrator Abu Mikhnaf is known as a Liar:

     

    Abu Mukhnif Lut bin Yahya Azdi Ghamidi:

    Abu Mikhnaf: Mohsin writes in his book "Ayyan-ush-Shia" in a chapter on Shia writers: "Abu Mikhnaf is Lut bin Yahya Azdi Ghamidi. Najashi believes that he was one of the historians of Kufah. He complied a number of books. The most noteworthy books are the ones dealing with the conquests of Syria, Iraq, Khorasan, Jamal, Safin, Nahr and Gharat and the book dealing with the murder of Hussain. Ibn Nadim in "Al-Fehrist" has recorded the comments of Ahmad bin Harith Khazzaz who thinks that Abu Mikhnaf is more will-in-formed than others about the conquest of Iraq, Madaini is more well-informed about Kharasan, India and Persia while Waqidi excels them in his grasp of facts about Hijaz and a psychological understanding of people. The information about Syria is evenly distributed among them and they can not claim any edge over one another. But it should be noted that two of these three i.e., Abu Mikhnaf and Waqidi are Shias".

    As is well known, Najashi has rated him among the Shia authors and, besides the list furnished by Mohsin, he is also supposed to have complied the following books:

    "Kitab-us-Saqifah" , the book of Shura, the book on the murder of Uthman, Kitab-ul-Hikmin, the murder of Amir-ul-Momini, the murder of Hussain, the murder of Hajr bin Adi, Akhbareul-Mukhtar, Akhbar-uz-Ziyat, Akhbar Muhammad bin abi Bakr and the murder of Muhammad etc. He has also mentioned that he was one of the distinguished historians and writers of Kufah. He derived a great deal of consolation from relating his traditions. He has also borrowed a number of traditions from Jafar bin Muhammad.

    Tusi is of the opinion that his father was included among the companions of Hadhrat Ali. Tusi has therefore mentioned him in his study of men. Hilli states in Thaqat that his father was one of the companions of Baqir and he himself was one of the companions of J’afar.

    Qummi refers to him in his book: "Lut bin Yahya bin S’aid bin Mikhnaf bin Salim Azdi was a tutor of historians in Kufah. He died in 157 A.H. Hishman Kalbi attributes it to Imam J’afar that his grand father Mikhnaf bin Salim was a companion of the Prophet (peace be upon him) who was one of the companions of Hadhrat Ali during the battle of Jamal and he was carrying the flag of the tribe of Azd. He drank the cup of martyrdom in the same battle in 36 A.H. Abu Mikhnaf was one of the most distinguished Shia historians. Abu Mikhnaf has written a number of books on history and biography of which the murder of Hussain is especially noteworthy. Therefore, even the most distinguished scholars have reported from it and relied on its veracity".

    Thus the Shia scholars themselves have confirmed his existence and the list of books provided by Najashi clearly establishes his Shiaism and extremism.

     

    Abu Mikhnaf and Sunni Scholars:

    Hafiz Ibn Hajr Asqalani has summed up the attitude of Sunni scholars towards Abu Mikhnaf. He observes that he is an uncultured, unreliable and unveracious historian. Imam Abu Hatim etc. have called him obsolete and outdated. Imam Dar Kutni calls him a weak source. Yahya bin Mu’in considers him unauthentic and disparages him as if he is a nonentity. Ibn ‘Adi regards him an extremist Shia and a historian. Hafiz Ibn Hajr is of the opinion that he has followed his authority. He died before the advent of the year 170 A.H. Abu Ubaid Ajri relates that when he asked Abu Hatim about him, he rubbed his hands and said that there was hardly any need to inquire about him (which reflected his insignificance as a reporter). ‘Uqaili has placed him among the weak sources of information.

    Allama Zahbi in his book "Mizan" has mentioned him in the same strain and in the abridgement of "Minhaj-us-Sunnah" by Shaikh-ul-Islam Ibn Taimiyah which is known as "Muntaqa", he has identified him with those who are notorious for palming off fibs. He has also referred to a statement by Ashhab bin Abdul Aziz Qaisi which he made in response to a question put to Imam Malik about the Rafidhis. He replied that they should neither be conversed with nor reported from because they are liars. Hurmilah bin Yahya has quoted Imam Sharfi’I that he never found anyone who excelled the Rafidhis in cooking up the evidence. Momil bin Wahab Ribi is reported to have heard from Yazid bin Harun that, with the exception of Rafidhis, the traditions of each innovator can be recorded as long as he does not force or persuade people to accept his innovation. The traditions of Rafidhis cannot be recorded because they speak lies.

    Muhammad bin S’aid Isfahani heard it from Sharik bin Abdullah Nalhfi that knowledge should be gained from each and every person except the Rafidhis. Knowledge should not be gained from them because they invent the traditions and raise them to the level of hadith. Abu Mu’awiyyah is reported to have heard from Amash that people generally regarded the Rafidhis as liars. Then, following the authority of Shaikh-ul-Islam, he believes that any one who cares to study well-reasoned and cogently-argued books on the subject will be automatically led to the conclusion that the Shias are comparatively greater liars than other groups and sects. When a Rafidihi stresses Yaqiyyah, he indirectly confesses his lie".

    These are the opinions of the leading scholars about Abu Mikhnaf. These scholars have made a comparative study of the sources of information and have backed up their conclusions with logic and reasoning. And similar and the views of the traditionists and religious scholars about the reliability of the Shias as vehicles of information.

    The gist of the matter is that both Shias and Sunnis believe that Abu Mikhnaf was a Shia, that he was unveracious and untruth-worthy and Qummi’s words that Tabri and other Sunni scholars have relied on him inspite of his being a Shia, are nothing but a basket of bubbles and it is quit consistent with their nature which finds its exclusive nourishment in stringing up lies and fibs. Any one who had studied Tabri knows that he has nowhere indicated the option to stress only the veracious traditions. It is a mixed bag and he has explained the hodge-podge complexion of the book in his preface:

    "There are certain traditions in this book which have come down to us from people who are disliked by the readersand the audience alike. These traditions are neither valid nor have they any link with realith. It should, however, be noted that these traditions are not invented by us but have been reportedby people who have conveyed htem to us. We have recorded them verbatim without making any alterations in them, and as they have been communicated to us".

    Ibn Athir has also explained in the preface of his book that he has reported them from Tabri and relied on his authority: He observes:

    "I have collected materials in my book that lay scattered and was not accessible in the form of a single book. Any one who cares to reflect will soon grasp the truthfulness of my statement. First of all I have picked up "Tarikh-I-Kabir" written by Imam Abu Jafar Tabri because all people depend in this book and they revert to it when differences crop up among them, and I have relied on all the various translations and left out not a single one-of them".

    This is the reality behind the trust of Tabri and Ibn Athir on Abu Mikhnaf.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Well said.... Mr Mohammad Nahid Ansari

    By your post it is clearly visible that only Allah swt is the bestower of true faith.   Jazaak Allah, Masha Allah, keep up the good work please. Wassalaam

    “ Let me add further for the approach I adopted in getting isolation (Tabarrah) from these Usurpers Khalifite, many Hadees were concocted as the reasons by appointed Rawis (e.g. Abu Hurraira) to justify their governess power. And these Usurpers Khalifaite did not even spared Qoran and fabricated the actual meaning with the help of Hadees and incidences for their greed for political power. And they used JIHAAD as a tool to win geographical territories. We have seen Victory over Mecca by Mohammed PUH without any violence’s where as during Khilafat, Great Rome, and Spain were won by them by using JIHAAD as a tool and they ruled there hundreds of years. To the contrary, we see 100% Muslims in Mecca and no Muslims in Rome and Spain, because of obvious reason that all of that Khalifite were only rulers and were nothing to do anything with Islam. Similar is the case of India, we Muslims are facing hatred from some of fellow Hindus because of same ideology of Muslim rulers like Babar & Aurangzeb etc. Babar also used JIHAAD as tool to win India.

    My dear Amir, Sahii Bukhari, Sahii Tirmizi & Sahii Muslims are nothing but like Nanawati Commission reports on Godhra carnage just to cite the reasons to justify unlawful Khilafat and the pogrom they perpetrated during their Khilafat e.g. Karbala (Mr. Mohammad Nahid Ansari)

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



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    Ha ha ha...

    The zany Jamshed  basha has undergone a sex change but his choice of female name is kind of out dated Mumtaz, Dil abaad Begum, Jahan ara, etc are all female names that belong to the 19th century,  but then I am not at all surprised because Jamshed Basha is of course an old wine... suits you man....Btw when are you coming out of hibernation ?? In another of your post with the nick Fowwaz ahmad (You selected a ridiculous spelling for the name in your attempt to hide yourself) you tried to teach us some Google manners Mr. Basha you are way behind schedule, all the people who come on newage.com are net savvy, only you have discovered new things recently....enjoy your newly acquired knowledge but do not bore us with it, for it is obsolete even for my 9 year old kid.

    Nb: Jamshed Basha you started this Shia-Sunni hatred campaign now don’t try to hide behind pseudo names and do not preach what you don’t practice, despite several people have tried to make you abstain from Fitna spreading You continued with your nonsense Picture abhi baki hai bla bla now what has happened? has your picture flopped or you suddenly became the spot boy and no more a producer?  Btw, Mr. Basha have you heard of anything as IP identifier? every time press the submit button for you messages on newageislam.com you leave a finger print, it really doesn't matter what new name you have chosen. ABHI BAHOT KUCH BAAKI HAI YAZEED LANATI KE DOSTH !!!

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Mr. Hasan Iqbal,

    I am really pleased with your warm note. I belong to a very high academic circle where I am working as a Professor of English language. Of late, one of my friend's insistence I happened to read some of the topics here on New Age Islam.  But what alarmed and angst me was the on going debate on shia and sunni, which is very unfortunate. I had to enquire which version is correct that is why I posted what was shown under YouTube. You are correct, the Israelis are working to destabilize Islam and it must be their handiwork to show Islam in bad taste. I am aware of it. There is no need to panic. We can join together to counter the propaganda of the west. It requires a lot of efforts from  scholarly people to join and not like the one we witnessed in the on going debate over a issue of least importance in the day to day life. What kind of message we are sending  to our children, if they happen to read such comments was my reall worry. I am grateful to Sultan Shahin for his services to the nation. He is a real worried man for Muslim community. He is rallying around him all the thinkers who can support him to project Islam in its original and right perspective. Let us all help him and behave well. I really could not digest another woman talking about "sex before Iftar" right here on the web page against a renowned sahabi. It is really a disgusting and a matter of shame for women in Islamic society. Even my sisters to whom I showed the comment were really astonished at such comments that only reflects low taste. Some of us are still living medieval time and refused to live in today's world. I have, however,  recommended this site for all my colleagues and they too agreed to visit as often as posible and contribute in a best way possible to highlight the problems facing the muslim community. All the Best Mr. Sultan Shahin.

    By Dilshad Begum -



  • 1st Statement: In my previous post, I have touched this point and raised some questions on the authenticity of Khalifa-1 . And we all believe in Qoran which is same in all Muslim sects (it is wrong belief that Shiite have different Quran), Ahadees  (The sayings and deeds of the Mohammed PUH)and Five Pillars of Islam (Kalama, Prayer, Charity, Fasting & Pilgrimage) [Nahid Ansari]

    2nd Statement: My dear Amir, Sahii Bukhari, Sahii Tirmizi & Sahii Muslims are nothing but like Nanawati Commission reports on Godhra carnage just to cite the reasons to justify unlawful Khilafat and the pogrom they perpetrated during their Khilafat e.g. Karbala [Mohammed Nahid Ansari]

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    Dear Ansari Sahab,

    If the Collection of Hadiths are nothing but Nanawati Commission Report of you then what was the need of your first statement wherein you inculded Hadiths as article of Faith on which Muslims have faith. Why this two statements from you  denying each other???

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • in your case that you continue to commit the same sin and say Allah swt forgives...doing a sin continually is greater    sin Mr Amir...And yes western Music is prohibit I am surprised you did not know?[Humraz]

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    Dear Humraz Sahab,

    Listening to Music doesn't make any Muslim a Mushrik [Polytheist], by the way Western Music/Dance is Haram [unlawful] because Non-Muslim practice it but what about Qawwali and Sufi Dances of Whirling Rumi Dervish [Music is also used in these vices]? Is it not Haram [Unlawful] because Muslim do it or is there any permission given in Quran and Hadith regarding Sufi Music???

    Regarding Sin and Allah's Mercy:

    Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 48]

    And (remember) when Luqman said unto his son, when he was exhorting him: O my dear son! Ascribe no partners unto Allah. Lo! to ascribe partners (unto Him) is a tremendous wrong [LUQMAN (LUQMAN) Chapter 31 - Verse 13]

    On the authority of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) say: Allah the Almighty said:

    O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it. [Tirmidhi and in Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal).

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Thank you Mr. Sultan Shahin for your scholarly reply. I really appreciate the topics you chose to project thrugh this website. It is certainly a platform for all of us to express our thoughts. Unfortunately some have taken the debate too seriously and too personal to expose their character.

    What worries me is what kind of image we are reflecting to the non-muslim visitros and readers. Hope atleast from now onwards, a good sense would prevail over all. There were two Muslim women involved in the debate. One was Dilshad, a soberly woman who just pointed out what she saw in YouTube. But others are too bad to read.

     I really appreciate some of the other readers and writers like Ali, Akbar Ali, Shaukat Hussein, I do not know to which sect they belong but their writings reveal, they are Muslims. I can only conclude that the language one use, reflects his or her personality because "language is the dress of thought".

    By Fawwaz Ahmed -



  • Dear Mr. Fawwaz Ahmad,

     

    Our website is only a mirror that is showing us our faces, or at least some of our faces. If street brawls are taking place on a certain page, that only shows what sort of people we are and what sort of issues interest us and bring the worst of us from the depths of our soul. There are other pages on the website calling for in-depth study and introspection, but perhaps not many are interested in commenting on them, though, I can see on my control panel that they too are being read or at least opened by a large number of people.

     

    On my part I have kept advising people to use decent language, sometimes even admonishing them for their offensiveness. I do not like censoring people's thoughts and even the language they use to express themselves; for in their view that is the language that best expresses their views. This, of course, merely shows a lack of imagination and poverty of command over language, but a website seeks to involve in its discussions readers of all intellectual levels, something that was not possible until we were limited by the requirements of paper and print. Even so, I have now started censoring some phrases and sentences too from some comments, wherever possible. Sometimes these indecencies are so intertwined with relevant thoughts and replies to questions posed previously that it may not be always possible to do so, however.

    I am not aware of having ever “boasted as editor,” but I am certainly pleased that this website has involved so many people in such a short time and provided many with a platform to express their innermost thoughts. It is only when they express themselves that we can know what is going on in the community. Let us not curse the mirror, let us not break the mirror, if the face we see there is ugly. Let us try and mend ourselves so that the face in the mirror improves. We cannot improve ourselves unless we know what is wrong with us.

     

    New Age Islam has shown to us and is showing us everyday some aspects of what is wrong with us. It is not the indecent language or the character of the street brawl that is so important, though, of course, we could do without it. What is more important is that many of us are insistent on living in the past, in the hoary past and refuse to come to present times. We cannot solve our problems, material or spiritual, unless we get to know them first. Let us look at our faces in the mirror of New Age Islam and try to improve them.

     

    Sultan Shahin

    By Sultan Shahin -



  • Dear Amir Mogul,

    I have gone through your post in detail and found nothing new but just a cut & paste from different website on Internet. You act like Pakistanis who instead of nailing Jamaat-ud Dawa chief Lakhavi for the crime he has committed against humanity but all time busy in portraying him as great Human Right Activist. We also face same kind of frustration as other fellow Indians today in the case of Khalifa-1. In my previous post, I raised concern over the crime done by Khalifa-1 against Humanity by ordering war on Sahabees for not paying Zakaat to him. Instead of answering those questions, you are portraying him as Great Human Right activist with the help of concocted Ahadees.

     Let me add further for the approach I adopted in getting isolation (Tabarrah) from these Usurpers Khalifite, many Hadees were concocted as the reasons by appointed Rawis (e.g. Abu Hurraira) to justify their governess power. And these Usurpers Khalifaite did not even spared Qoran and fabricated the actual meaning with the help of Hadees and incidences for their greed for political power. And they used JIHAAD as a tool to win geographical territories. We have seen Victory over Mecca by Mohammed PUH without any violence’s where as during Khilafat, Great Rome, and Spain were won by them by using JIHAAD as a tool and they ruled there hundreds of years. To the contrary, we see 100% Muslims in Mecca and no Muslims in Rome and Spain, because of obvious reason that all of that Khalifite were only rulers and were nothing to do anything with Islam. Similar is the case of India, we Muslims are facing hatred from some of fellow Hindus because of same ideology of Muslim rulers like Babar & Aurangzeb etc. Babar also used JIHAAD as tool to win India.

    My dear Amir, Sahii Bukhari, Sahii Tirmizi & Sahii Muslims are nothing but like Nanawati Commission reports on Godhra carnage just to cite the reasons to justify unlawful Khilafat and the pogrom they perpetrated during their Khilafat e.g. Karbala

     

    By Mohammed Nahid Ansari -



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    The  Zany Jamshed Basha is evolving and taking new shapes and avatars,  yet another,   and his latest besides, Shaukat Husain, Ali , Hyder  Ali and now  FAWWAZ AHMAD.

    Mr Basha you need to have Intelligence to feign, cunning is not enough. Don’t be afraid and behave like a dignified man if you are?  write your posts under your own Identity and if you have to do it in office time take permission of your superiors,  but please don’t hide behind pseudo names.

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  • Amir Moghul salaam

    I didn’t know that you are a Mushrik  all this while I mistook you to be a Muslim my mistake, to err is human just as crying with fear is human specially in case of khalifa 1 in  Hira but crying is also Bidath right ...you people are a joke, don’t know what to say what not to say even ashamed of accepting the fact that you are Wahabis..actually there is no need to be ashamed at all, and there is no need to be disappointed  of the mercy of Allah  swt  all you have to do is say astaghfar but not as,  in your case that you continue to commit the same sin and say Allah swt forgives...doing a sin continually is greater    sin Mr Amir...And yes western Music is prohibit I am surprised you did not know?  Now don’t ask me to quote for do not believe in copy paste as you do all the time. You have the hint now find out yourself where it is prohibited in Islam.

    By Humrazz -



  • Mr. Sultan Shahin, Assalam

    What kind of web page you boast as  Editor, where street brawl is taking place between muslim belonging to different sects? One woman uses YouTube comments but decently to draw her point and rightly asked whether the same set of people would go and use the same vituperative language against YOUYUBE broadcaster. I had a chance to go through Google search machine, and I found several articles, stories and books written against shias which may not be palatable to them. Will they go and fight with Google as to why they have published. What not you have everything available on google search machine. But when some scholarly people like Basha and Naik have said something, may not be of our likings, listen to them and send your replies soberly and decently is only my plea to all.

    By Fawwaz Ahmed -



  • We cannot possibly live in the 6th century today, nor fight the battles of Badr or Karbala, that too at a time when Karbalas and worse are taking place everyday. (Sultan Shahin)

    Janab Sultan Shahin Sb,

    Karbala doesn't happen everyday. Karbala was a battle between justice and falsehood, between freedom and slavery and between humanity and oppression.

    Imam Husain (as) made the decision to confront injustice and tyranny rather than be complacent to it. The victory of Karbala was not decided in the battlefield but in the hearts of the truth-seekers and lovers of Allah. The real battle was not over power but over justice and obedience to Allah and His Prophet.

    We are indebted to the blessed movement of Imam Husain (as). This movement wasn’t a movement in history so much as it was a movement for history. Karbala has been one of the greatest weapons throughout the years for inspiring resistance against the oppressors and renewing our bonds of faith and faithfulness to Islam.

     

    Kindly respect our sentiments, which should also be yours.

     

    Wassalam,

     

    By HASAN IQBAL -



  • As regard to my being worried about your salvation let me remind you that it is my duty to do Tableigh and feel care and concern for every brother in faith, my worries about your salvation can only be misplaced in case you are not a Muslim.[Humrazz]

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    Dear Humraz Sahab,

    Dont worry about my salvation because sometime Allah forgives even the worse Sinners like me:

    On the authority of Jundub (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) related:

    A man said: By Allah, Allah will not forgive So-and-so. At this Allah the Almighty said: Who is he who swears by Me that I will not forgive So-and-so? Verily I have forgiven So-and-so and have nullified your [own good] deeds (1) (or as he said [it]). [Muslim]

    A similar Hadith, which is given by Abu Dawud, indicates that the person referred to was a goldly man whose previous good deeds were brought to nought through presuming to declare that Allah would not forgive someone's bad deeds. 

    On the authority of Abu Mas'ud al-Ansari (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (may the blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said:

    A man from among those who were before you was called to account. Nothing in the way of good was found for him except that he used to have dealings with people and, being well-to-do, he would order his servants to let off the man in straitened circumstances [from repaying his debt]. He (the Prophet p.b.u.h) said that Allah said: We are worthier than you of that (of being so generous). Let him off. [Muslim, Bukhari and Nasa'i).

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Do you have any right to quote the Holy Quran when your Blog,  which I Visited only yesterday, besides other things, announces that you are a lover of Western Music and also has links to the Music sites, now, is this a trait of a Muslim? [Humrazz]

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    Dear Humrazz Sahab,

    I listen to Music without taking the cover of Sufism and I do it at my own expense and responsibility knowing the consequences in the life hereafter. By the way who will snatch this right from me of quoting Quran and Hadith and that too because of my indulgence in minor vice like Music. I wonder how would you justify the Sufi Music Festivals [in the name of Qawwalis and Qalandar Dances] held at different Shrines of so-called Saints of Allah, scattered all over India, Pakistan, Turkey and Iraq. Please do comment on my views on Music.

    Music in Islam: Lawful or Unlawful.

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/music-in-islam-lawful-or-unlawful.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Indeed khalifa 1. Was very much there with the Prophet pbuh  in Ghaar-e-Hira on the night of Hijrat  and as per Memoirs of Abu Huraira  chapter 39.1.1 “ Abu Baker was crying at the top of his voice for the fear of his life and this act could have seriously jeopardised  the safety of the Prophet pbuh himself as the enemy was almost at the entrance of the cave and could have found the Prophet pbuh because of the laud crying of Abu baker ( khalifa 1) and for this act of Cowardice  Abu Baker was reprimanded by the Prophet pbuh Himself” now this hadith is by a very reliable Sunni source and logically viable too. [Fatimah]

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    Dear Ms. Fatimah,

    There is no such book by the name of Memoirs of Abu Huraira so please give me the reference of the Hadith with the name of the book, by the way I had quoted the Quranic Verse regarding Hazrat Abu Bakr [May Allah be pleased with him] and lets assume Hazrat Abu Bakar [May Allah be pleased with him] was afraid, so what? Fear is an Human Emotion. Hazrat Abu Bakr [May Allah be pleased with him] was a human being.

    Another of his virtues is that he accompanied the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) during the Hijrah (migration to Madeenah), as Allaah says

    [[AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 40]

    (interpretation of the meaning):

    “If you help him not (it does not matter), for Allaah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two; when they were in the cave, he said to his companion : ‘Be not sad (or afraid), surely, Allaah is with us.’ Then Allaah sent down His Sakeenah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allaah that became the uppermost; and Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Tawbah 9:40]

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Do you have any right to quote the Holy Quran when your Blog,  which I Visited only yesterday, besides other things, announces that you are a lover of Western Music and also has links to the Music sites, now, is this a trait of a Muslim? [Humrazz]

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    Dear Humrazz Sahab,

    Please define the traits of a Muslim?

    Do you include Qawwali [Spiritual Chants] in Music or not? If not then why? If Qawwali is Halal [Lawful] then why Music is Haram [Unlawful]

    Listening to Music doesn't make you Kafir [Infidel] and it is a vice which can be forgiven by Allah but not Shirk [Polytheism] and I thank Allah for that I am not indulged in Polytheism [that is too by the Grace of Allah], because Allah says:

    Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 48]

    And (remember) when Luqman said unto his son, when he was exhorting him: O my dear son! Ascribe no partners unto Allah. Lo! to ascribe partners (unto Him) is a tremendous wrong [LUQMAN (LUQMAN) Chapter 31 - Verse 13]

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Amir Moghul

    (the Islamic cowboy from the wilderness of Pakistani/Talibani  version of Islam)

    Indeed khalifa 1. Was very much there with the Prophet pbuh  in Ghaar-e-Hira on the night of Hijrat  and as per Memoirs of Abu Huraira  chapter 39.1.1 “ Abu Baker was crying at the top of his voice for the fear of his life and this act could have seriously jeopardised  the safety of the Prophet pbuh himself as the enemy was almost at the entrance of the cave and could have found the Prophet pbuh because of the laud crying of Abu baker ( khalifa 1) and for this act of Cowardice  Abu Baker was reprimanded by the Prophet pbuh Himself” now this hadith is by a very reliable Sunni source and logically viable too. Also you must not forget,  as to who was sleeping on the Bed of the Prophet pbuh that entire night  under the  shadow of death when the enemy had surrounded the house of the Prophet pbuh,  it was none other than the Sher-e-khuda  Ali- ebn- Abitalib  (as) himself.

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



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    Amir Moghul Salam

     

    Are you aware that inconsistency is the trait of a liar, at one occasion you have said that you do not curse the Yazeed  lanati  because he had a  Pious Wife having origin from the family of Ahlulbait  (as per your claim) and today you have forgotten your own words and  quoted the holy Quran arguing exactly the opposite of what you said?  “Each soul earneth only on its own account, or doth any laden bear another's load. Then unto your Lord is your return and He will tell you that wherein ye differed. [Quran AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6: Verse 164]” (as quoted by Amir Moghul)

    Don’t you feel any quilt when you indulge in such diametrically opposed behaviour just to win a debate? Do you have any right to quote the Holy Quran when your Blog,  which I Visited only yesterday, besides other things, announces that you are a lover of Western Music and also has links to the Music sites, now, is this a trait of a Muslim? Do you have the right to come up with quotations from the Hadith and the Quran Majeed when you don’t practice a single word therein? As regard to my being worried about your salvation let me remind you that it is my duty to do Tableigh and feel care and concern for every brother in faith, my worries about your salvation can only be misplaced in case you are not a Muslim.

     

    By Humrazz -



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    To conclude my comment, Khalifa-1 is a point where division started and Karbala is a witness to this widening gap and this gap is continuously widening. In Karbala we were less then 10% of Yazeed Paleed army, so are today this is because of the fact that Jannat is also less in size then Jahannum. (Mohammad Nahid Ansar)

    Where are the enemies of the Progeny of the Prophet  Pbuh now .. viz the Yazeedis and the Muaviaiites who glorify the enemy of the Prophet’s progeny  more often than they send Daruud- o-salaam  on the Prophet pbuh himself. Come forward with your real Identities and not with pseudo names and reply to the good post by mohtaram  Mohammad  Nahid Ansari. 

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • In my previous post, I have touched this point and raised some questions on the authenticity of Khalifa-1 . And we all believe in Qoran which is same in all Muslim sects (it is wrong belief that Shiite have different Quran), Ahadees  (The sayings and deeds of the Mohammed PUH)and Five Pillars of Islam (Kalama, Prayer, Charity, Fasting & Pilgrimage) [Nahid Ansari]

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    Dear Ansari Sahab,

    The same Quran and Hadith which we Muslims follow say this on the Companions of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddique [May Allah be pleased with him] also included:

    Dear Sir,

    We must be very careful when through History [Unreliable] we discuss the companions [May Allah be please with everyone of them] of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]. Rather it is obligatory [Farz] upon us that whenever anybody [i mean anybody even the Four Sunni Imam] try to quote history to malign the Companions then he/she will be rejected through Quran and Hadith and no history is valid before Quran and Hadith.

    Translation in English:

    “If you help him (Muhammad) not (it does not matter), for Allaah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two; when they were in the cave, he said to his companion: ‘Be not sad (or afraid), surely, Allaah is with us.’ Then Allaah sent down His Sakeenah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allaah that became the uppermost; and Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [[AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 40]

    English Translation:

    And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 100]


    And those who came (into the faith) after them say: Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who were before us in the faith, and place not in our hearts any rancour toward those who believe. Our Lord! Thou art Full of Pity, Merciful. [AL-HASHR (EXILE, BANISHMENT) Chapter 59 Verse 10]


    English Translation:

    Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave the pledge to you under the tree, He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory. [Surah Al-Fath Chapter 48 Verse 18]

    English Translation:

    And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 - Verse 100]


    Translation:

    Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward. [AL-FATH (VICTORY, CONQUEST)Chapter 48: Verse 29]

    One of the basic principles of Muslims is that they accept that which has been narrated in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and the consensus of the scholars, concerning the virtues and status (of the Sahaabah). They give precedence to those who spent and fought before the victory – the treaty of al-Hudaybiyah – over those who spent and fought afterwards, because Allaah says:


    English Translation:

    And what aileth you that ye spend not in the way of Allah when unto Allah belongeth the inheritance of the heavens and the earth? Those who spent and fought before the victory are not upon a level (with the rest of you). Such are greater in rank than those who spent and fought afterwards. Unto each hath Allah promised good. And Allah is Informed of what ye do. [AL-HADID (THE IRON) Chapter 57 Verse 10]

    They believe that Allaah said concerning the people of Badr – who numbered three hundred and umpteen – “Do whatever you like, for I have forgiven you,” because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Maybe Allah looked at the people of Badr and said, ‘Do whatever you like, for I have forgiven you.’” (Bukhari and Muslim from the hadeeth of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib)


    English Translation:

    Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance unto thee beneath the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down peace of reassurance on them, and hath rewarded them with a near victory; [AL-FATH (VICTORY, CONQUEST) Chapter 48 Verse 18]

    The Army Commander at Karbala was Umar Bin Saad Bin Waqas [with whom Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali - May Allah be pleased with him was negotiating - Saad Bin Waqas was a very close relative of Prophet Mohammad - PBUH - Read Tabari, Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya and Ibn Aseer, and Ibn Khalqan] and from Sa'ad Bin Waqas [May Allah be pleased with him] we have a Hadith on the Virtue of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]

    The narrations below were narrated by Hazrat Saad Bin Waqas [May Allah be pleased with him] and his son Amir. Hazrat Saad was maternal uncle of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH].

    1- Amir b Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reporte (l on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) addressing 'All said: You are in the same position with relation to me as Aaron- (Harun) was in relation to Moses but with (this explicit difference) that there is no prophet after me. Sa'd said: I had an earnest desire to hear it directly from Sa'd, so I met him and narrated to him what (his son) Amir had narrated to me, whereupon he said: Yes, I did hear it. I said: Did you hear it yourself? Thereupon he placed his fingers upon his ears and said: Yes, and if not, let both my ears become deaf.

    2- Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) left 'Ali b. Abi Talib behind him (as he proceeded) to the expedition of Tabuk, whereupon he ('Ali) said: Allah's Messenger, are you leaving me behind amongst women 4nd children? Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there would be no prophet after me.

    3- Sa'd reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying to 'Ali: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses?

    NOTE: Rafizi accept these Hadith about Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] but I fail to understand is it possible that the son of Hazrat Saad i.e. Amr Bin Saad was shown by the same Historian Tabari through 'doubtful' narrators as the Leader of the Syrian Army [under the orders of Ubaidullah Bin Ziyad bin Abusufiyan (Ziyad had served as Governor of Persia under Hazrat Ali - May Allah be pleasede with him)] sent against Hazrat Hussain [May Allah be pleased with him].

    Abu Mikhnaf [The Liar Rafizi Narrator whose narrations were the major part of Tabari's History regarding Jamal, Siffin, Neherwan, and Karbala] in his separate book "Maqtal Hussein (Urdu Translation published in Hyderabad Daccan India] has also reported that before the  main 'battle' of Karbala, Huzrat Hussain and Amr Bin Saad [relatives] were discussing something without anyone with them.

    Nobody questions Tabari and Mikhnaf as to what were they discussing before the 'alleged massacre'.?

    Regarding Khilafa!

    Ibn Katheer said in his Tafseer (3/517):

    This phrase is used a great deal by scribes who are transcribing books in which the phrase “ ‘alayhi al-salaam (upon him be peace) is used in reference to ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him), to the exclusion of other Sahaabah, or the words “karrama Allaahu wajhahu (may Allaah honour his face)” are used. Although the meaning is acceptable, we should respect all the Sahaabah equally in this way, because this is a kind of veneration and honouring, and the two shaykhs [Abu Bakr and ‘Umar] and Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Uthmaan are more deserving of that – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

    Saying the words “karrama Allaahu wajhahu (may Allaah honour his face)” after mentioning the name of ‘Ali and singling him out in this manner is one aspect of the way in which the Shi’ah exaggerate about him. It was said that this is because he never looked at the ‘awrah of any person at all, or because he never prostrated to an idol. But this is not something that is unique to him, as other Sahaabah who were born in Islam also shared these characteristics.

    Some of them said that the words “karrama Allaahu wajhahu (may Allaah honour his face)” are only said in reference to ‘Ali because he never prostrated to any idol.

    The Raafidis, the enemies of ‘Ali and the enemies of the family of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) use this phrase, we should avoid imitating the people of bid’ah (innovation). And Allaah knows best.

    They have reasons for doing that which do not justify singling out ‘Ali for this phrase, such as the fact that he never looked at the ‘awrah of another person, or that he never prostrated to any idol. But those Sahaabah who were born in Islam also share these chracateristics. It should also be noted that when giving any reason it is also essential to offer evidence and proof.

    Undoubtedly the noble Sahaabi ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib was one of the wisest and most determined of people. He is well known for his courage and bravery. He was the first youth to enter Islam, then he stayed close to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) before the Hijrah. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left Makkah, accompanied by Abu Bakr, he stayed behind and slept in the Prophet’s bed (thus fooling the mushrikeen who wanted to kill the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)). Among his virtues are those mentioned in the hadeeth narrated by Sahl ibn Sa’d (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said that he heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, on the day of Khaybar, “I will give the flag to a man at whose hands Allaah will grant victory.” They got up, wishing to see to whom the flag would be given, each of them hoping that he would be given the flag. Then he said, “Where is ‘Ali?” He was told that he was suffering from eye-trouble. He ordered that ‘Ali should be called to him, then he spat in his eyes and he was healed immediately, as if he has never had any problem in his eyes. [Bukhari and Muslim]

    Just as ‘Ali had many virtues and good characteristics, other Sahaabah also had other virtues and good characteristics.  Among the virtues of Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) is that which was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri, who said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delivered a khutbah and said: “Allaah has given a slave the choice between this world and what is with Him, and he chose what is with Him.” Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) began to weep, and I said to myself, “What is making this old man cry if Allaah has given a slave the choice between this world and what is with Him, and he chose what is with Him?” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was that slave, and Abu Bakr was the most knowledgeable of us. He said, “O Abu Bakr, do not weep. Abu Bakr has favoured me greatly with his companionship and his wealth. If I were to have taken a close friend among my ummah, I would have chosen Abu Bakr, but the brotherhood of Islam is sufficient. Do not leave any door to the mosque without closing it off, apart from the door of Abu Bakr.” [Bukhari and Muslim]

    Another of his virtues is that he accompanied the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) during the Hijrah (migration to Madeenah), as Allaah says

    [[AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 40]

    (interpretation of the meaning):


    “If you help him not (it does not matter), for Allaah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two; when they were in the cave, he said to his companion : ‘Be not sad (or afraid), surely, Allaah is with us.’ Then Allaah sent down His Sakeenah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allaah that became the uppermost; and Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [al-Tawbah 9:40]

    Dear Ansari Sahab,

    Would you like to tell as to who was the second person in the cave with Mohammad [Peace be upon him].

    And ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed him as the commander of the army of Dhaat al-Salaasil. He said: So I came to him and said, “Which of the people is dearest to you?” He said, “ ‘Aa’ishah.” I said, “Who among men?” He said, “Her father.” I said, “Then who?” He said, “Then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab,” and he mentioned some other men. [Bukhari and Muslim]

    Another of his virtues is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed him to lead the prayers in his stead at the end of his life, when he fell sick with his final illness, and he rebuked those who objected to this and said, “Tell Abu Bakr to lead the people in prayer.” [Bukhari and Muslim] 

    And it was narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) climbed Uhud with Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan, and it trembled beneath them. He said, ‘Stand firm, O Uhud, for there is no one on you but a Prophet, a Siddeeq and two martyrs.” [Bukhari]

    With regard to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him), he also had many virtues and good characteristics which were proven in many reports. For example it was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whilst I was sleeping, I saw the people were shown to me, and they were wearing shirts. Some shirts came down to the chest, and some were shorter than that. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab was shown to me and he was wearing a shirt that dragged along the ground.” They said, “How did you interpret that, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Religious commitment.” [Bukhari and Muslim] 

    It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whilst I was sleeping, a cup of milk was brought to me and I drank until I saw its wetness coming out of my nails. Then I gave the rest to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab.” They said, “How did you interpret that, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “(It is) knowledge.” [Bukhari and Muslim]

    And it was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, “Among the nations who came before you there were muhaddathoon (men who were inspired) and if there are any such men among my ummah, then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab is one of them.” [Muslim]

    And there is other evidence which points to the virtues of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). But the fact that some of them were superior to others is something that makes sense and is proven in sharee’ah.  It is not the matter of whims and desires, rather it should be referred to sharee’ah, as Allaah says:

    [AL-QASAS (THE STORY, STORIES) Chapter 28 - Verse 68]

    (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And your Lord creates whatsoever He wills and chooses, no choice have they (in any matter). Glorified is Allaah, and exalted above all that they associate (as partners with Him)”

    So we should refer to the Quran and Hadith's evidence in order to find out the status of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “We used to compare the people as to who was better at the time of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). We used to regard Abu Bakr as the best, then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, then ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with them).” [Bukhari]. According to another report he said: “At the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) we did not regard anyone as equal with Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar, then ‘Uthmaan, then we left the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and we did not differentiate between them.” [Bukhari].

    This is testimony of all the Sahaabah, narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar, that Abu Bakr was superior to all the Sahaabah, followed by ‘Umar, then ‘Uthmaan.

    Now let us turn to ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) himself, and he see what he said. It was narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah (who was the son of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib) said: “I said to my father, ‘Which of the people was the best after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?’ He said, ‘Abu Bakr.’ I said, ‘Then who?’ He said, ‘Then ‘Umar.’ I was afraid that he would say ‘Uthmaan. I said, ‘Then is it you?’ He said, ‘I am only one of the Muslims.’” [Bukhari]

    It was narrated that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “No one is brought to me who regards me as superior to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar but I will punish him with a beating like a fabricator.” Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: It was narrated that he used to speak from the minbar of Kufa and say that the best of this ummah after our Prophet was Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar. This was narrated from him via more than eighty isnaads, and it was narrated by al-Bukhaari and others. Hence the earlier Shi’ah all used to agree that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar were superior, as has been mentioned by more than one. Manhaaj al-Sunnah, 1/308

    It was narrated from Abu Juhayfah that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) ascended the minbar and praised and glorified Allaah and sent blessings upon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then he said: “The best of this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr. The second is ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), and after that, whoever Allaah wants to be good will be good.” [Musnad Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal]

    These ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and these reports from the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) all testify to the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, amongst whom there is no dispute concerning it, that the best of this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him), then ‘Umar. May Allaah be pleased with all of the Sahaabah.

    With regard to the idea that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar always used to ask ‘Ali questions and that they did not have knowledge, this is not proven in any report whatsoever. Rather it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ordered that Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) should lead the people in prayer when he was sick with his final illness. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have delegated this task except to one who had knowledge of the rulings on the prayer. And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) to lead the Hajj before the Farewell Pilgrimage, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have appointed a man to such a position unless he was the most knowledgeable of them concerning it (the Hajj). Indeed it is narrated that ‘Ali learned some ahaadeeth from Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with them both) concerning some issues. It was narrated that Asma’ bint al-Hakam al-Fazaari said: “I heard ‘Ali say: I was a man who, if I heard a hadeeth from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Allaah would benefit me thereby as much as He willed to benefit me. If a man from among his companions told me a hadeeth I would ask him to swear to it; if he swore to it then I would believe him.” He told me that Abu Bakr said, and Abu Bakr spoke the truth, “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘There is no man who commits a sin then he gets up and purifies himself and prays, and seeks the forgiveness of Allaah, but Allaah will forgive him.’ Then he recited this verse :

    [AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN) Chapter 3 - Verse 135]

    (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And those who, when they have committed Faahishah (illegal sexual intercourse) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allaah and ask forgiveness for their sins; — and none can forgive sins but Allaah — and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know” [Tirmidhi]


    Tirmidhi narrated from ‘Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has placed truth on the tongue of ‘Umar and in his heart.”

    And we have quoted above the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning ‘Umar: “Among the nations who came before you there were muhaddathoon (men who were inspired) and if there are any such men among my ummah, then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab is one of them.”

    The point is that the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, on which they are unanimously agreed, is that the best of this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar – may Allaah be pleased with them both.

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: “No one among the respectable Muslim scholars has said that ‘Ali was more knowledgeable or had more understanding of Islam than Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, or even than Abu Bakr alone. Those who claim that there is consensus on that are among the most ignorant of people and the greatest liars. Rather, more than one of the scholars have stated that there is scholarly consensus that Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq was more knowledgeable than ‘Ali, such as Imam Mansoor ibn ‘Abd al-Jabbaar al-Sam’aani al-Marwadhi, one of the leading scholars of the Sunnah among the companions of al-Shaafa’i, who mentioned in his book Taqweem al-Adillah ‘ala’l-Imam that there was consensus among the scholars of the Sunnah that Abu Bakr was more knowledgeable than ‘Ali. I do not know of anyone among the famous imams who disputes this point. How could it be otherwise when Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq used to issue rulings and commands and prohibitions, and pass judgements, and deliver khutbahs in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as he used to do when he and Abu Bakr would go out to call the people to Islam, and when they migrated together, and on the day of Hunayn, and on other occasions, when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) remained silent and approved of what Abu Bakr said; no one else enjoyed such status.

    When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) consulted with the wise and knowledgeable men among his companions, he would consult Abu Bakr and ‘Umar first, because they were the first to speak about matters of Islam in the presence of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) before the rest of his companions; for example when he consulted them about the prisoners of Badr, the first ones who spoke about that were Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, and this also happened on other occasions… In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated that the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) were with him on a journey and he said: “If the people obey Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, they will be guided aright.” And it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that he used to give his fatwas based on the Book of Allaah, and if he could not find anything then he would look at the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then if he could not find anything he would refer to the fatwas of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, then if he did not find anything he would refer to the fatwas of ‘Uthmaan and ‘Ali – and Ibn ‘Abbaas was the habr al-ummah (scholar of the ummah) and the most knowledgeable of the Sahaabah of his time, and he would consult the words of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar and give them precedence over the words of anyone else among the Sahaabah. And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed for Ibn ‘Abbaas and said, “O Allaah, cause him to understand the religion of Islam and teach him the correct interpretation (of the Qur’aan).”

     

    Now let us turn to ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah bepleased with him) himself, and he see what he said. Itwas narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah (who wasthe son of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib) said: “I said to myfather, ‘Which of the people was the best after theMessenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah beupon him)?’ He said, ‘Abu Bakr.’ I said, ‘Then who?’He said, ‘Then ‘Umar.’ I was afraid that he would say‘Uthmaan. I said, ‘Then is it you?’ He said, ‘I amonly one of the Muslims.’” [Bukhaari]

     

    It was narrated that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased withhim) said: “No one is brought to me who regards me assuperior to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar but I will punish himwith a beating like a fabricator.” Shaykh al-Islam IbnTaymiyah said: It was narrated that he used to speakfrom the minbar of Kufa and say that the best of thisummah after our Prophet was Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar. Thiswas narrated from him via more than eighty isnaads,and it was narrated by al-Bukhaari and others. Hencethe earlier Shi’ah all used to agree that Abu Bakr and‘Umar were superior, as has been mentioned by morethan one. Manhaaj al-Sunnah, 1/308

     

    It was narrated from Abu Juhayfah that ‘Ali (mayAllaah be pleased with him) ascended the minbar andpraised and glorified Allaah and sent blessings uponthe Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be uponhim), then he said: “The best of this ummah after itsProphet is Abu Bakr. The second is ‘Umar (may Allaahbe pleased with him), and after that, whoever Allaahwants to be good will be good.” [Imam Ahmad in his Musnad]

     

    These ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings ofAllaah be upon him) and these reports from theSahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) all testifyto the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, amongstwhom there is no dispute concerning it, that the bestof this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq(may Allaah be pleased with him), then ‘Umar. MayAllaah be pleased with all of the Sahaabah.

     

    With regard to the idea that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar alwaysused to ask ‘Ali questions and that they did not haveknowledge, this is not proven in any reportwhatsoever. Rather it is proven that the Prophet(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) orderedthat Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) shouldlead the people in prayer when he was sick with hisfinal illness. The Prophet (peace and blessings ofAllaah be upon him) would not have delegated this taskexcept to one who had knowledge of the rulings on theprayer. And it was proven that the Prophet (peace andblessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed Abu Bakr(may Allaah be pleased with him) to lead theHajjbefore the Farewell Pilgrimage, and the Prophet (peaceand blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not haveappointed a man to such a position unless he was themost knowledgeable of them concerning it (theHajj).

     

    Indeed it is narrated that ‘Ali learned some ahaadeethfrom Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with them both)concerning some issues. It was narrated that Asma’bint al-Hakam al-Fazaari said: “I heard ‘Ali say: Iwas a man who, if I heard a hadeeth from the Messengerof Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him),Allaah would benefit me thereby as much as He willedto benefit me. If a man from among his companions toldme a hadeeth I would ask him to swear to it; if heswore to it then I would believe him.” He told me thatAbu Bakr said, and Abu Bakr spoke the truth, “I heardthe Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaahbe upon him) say, ‘There is no man who commits a sinthen he gets up and purifies himself and prays, andseeks the forgiveness of Allaah, but Allaah willforgive him.’ Then he recited this verse

    (interpretation of the meaning):

     

    “And those who, when they have committed Faahishah(illegal sexual intercourse) or wronged themselveswith evil, remember Allaah and ask forgiveness fortheir sins; — and none can forgive sins but Allaah —and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done,while they know”[Aal ‘Imraan 3:135] [Tirmidhi]

     

    Tirmidhi narrated from ‘Ibn ‘Umar that theMessenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah beupon him) said: “Allaah has placed truth on the tongueof ‘Umar and in his heart.” [Tirmidhi]

     

    And we have quoted above the words of the Prophet(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning‘Umar: “Among the nations who came before you therewere muhaddathoon (men who were inspired) and if thereare any such men among my ummah, then ‘Umar ibnal-Khattaab is one of them.”The point is that the belief of Ahl al-Sunnahwa’l-Jamaa’ah, on which they are unanimously agreed,is that the best of this ummah after its Prophet isAbu Bakr, then ‘Umar – may Allaah be pleased with themboth.

     

    Ali Ibn Abi Talib [May Alla be pleased with him] on the allegations against Abu Bakr [RA] Suwaid ibn Ghafalah 1 reported that once he passed by a group of Shee'ah who were talking about Abu Bakr and 'Umar in derogatory terms. Then he visited 'Alee ibn Abee Talib and told him:

     

    "O Ameer al-Mu'mineen, I passed by a group of your companions while they were referring to Abu Bakr and 'Umar in derogatory terms. If it were not that they thought that you secretly felt as they openly said,

    they would not have dared to say it."

     

    'Alee replied: "I seek refuge in Allaah! I seek refuge in Allaah from secretly feeling anything towards the two of them other than what the Prophet entrusted to me. May Allaah curse anyone who holds inside himself anything but goodness and gratitude towards both of them. (They were like) two brothers to Allaah's Messenger, his two companions, his two assistants, may Allaah's mercy be on both of them."

     

    Then 'Alee got up with tears in his eyes, holding on to my hand until he entered the Masjid. Next he ascended the mimber and sat at its top holding on to his beard and looking at it until the people gathered.

    After having made a brief but eloquent speech, he added:

     

    "What is wrong with those who make allegations about the two masters of Quraysh, the two fathers of the Muslims, allegations which I would never say, or want to hear others say; and for which I may be punished.

    By He who split the seed and created the soul, only a pious believer loves them, and only a wretched sinner hates them. Those two who accompanied Allaah's Messenger , commanding all that is good and prohibiting all that is evil; who became angry with wrongdoers and punished them based on truth and honesty alone. In their rulings, they did not overstep the opinion's of Allaah's Messenger . In fact, their opinions always coincided with those of Allaah's Messenger and the believers were pleased with both of them throughout their respective caliphates.

     

    The Messenger of Allaah appointed Abu Bakr to lead the believers in their prayers for the last nine days of the Prophet's life and he died without recalling him. The believers, subsequently, made him responsible for their affairs, and gave him their Zakaah. They willingly pledged allegiance to him and I am the first person from Banu 'Abd al-Muttalib to confirm his leadership. He disliked leadership and wished that one of us would take his place. By Allaah, he was the best of those who remained after the Prophet ; the eldest, the kindest, and truly the most compassionate and pious. He was like angel Mikaaeel in his benevolence and Prophet Ibraaheem in his willingness to forgive and his dignified bearing. He took the path of the Prophet and passed away on that path (may Allaah have mercy on him).

     

    After Abu Bakr , 'Umar took command, and I was among those pleased with his appointment. He ruled according to the policy of Allaah's Messenger and his companion, Abu Bakr , following their footsteps the way a young camel follows its mother. I swear by Allaah, he was kind and gentle with the weak, a champion of the cause of the oppressed and without any blame concerning Allaah's religion. Allaah manifested examples of the truth through him and made the truth a part of him to such a degree that we used to think that an angel was speaking with his tongue. Allaah made his conversion a strengthening factor for Islaam, and placed in the hearts of the Hypocrites a fear of him and in the hearts of the believers love for him. Allaah's Messenger compared him to Angel Jibreel in his harshness towards the enemies of Islaam. So who among you can be compared to the two of them. May Allaah's mercy be on them, and may Allaah provide us with the ability to continue in their paths. Let whoever loves me, love them, for whoever does not love them has angered me, and I will have nothing to do with him. If I hear anymore derogatory talk about the two of them, I will punish the offenders severely. After today, whoever is brought before me will get the punishment of a slanderer. Verily, the best of this nation after its Prophet is Abu Bakr and 'Umar . Then Allaah knows best who is the best. I am saying this asking Allaah's forgiveness for both you and myself."

     

    Note:

     

    1) Suwaid ibn Ghafalah was among the major scholars of the Taabi'oon. He accepted Islaam during the lifetime of the Prophet but never met him. On the day that the Prophet was being buried in al-Madeenah,  Suwaid came to the city for the first time. He later settled in Kufah and died at the age of 130 in the year 700 CE. All the major books of Ahaadeeth have ahaadeeth narrated by Him. Ibn Hajar, Taqreeb at-Tahtheeb, Vol. 1, p. 341.

    Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] is also Rightly Guided Caliph [Khalifa-e-Rashidoon] like his friends Abu Bakar, Omar and Uthman [May Alla be pleased with all of them]. No doubt there were differences between Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Muawiyah [May Allah be pleased with both of them] but these differences were not like as defined by several Historians. Even the Shia Books contain these remarks of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]:

    Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] also confirmed that he and Muawiyah [May Allah be pleased with him] were on the same deen this is proven even from the Shia sources. Shareef Al Razi narrated in Nahjul Balagha a speech delivered by Ali where Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] says:

    "In the beginning of our matter, the people of Sham and us met. It is obvious that our God is one, our Prophet is one, and our call in Islam is one. We do not see ourselves more in faith in Allah or more in believing His messenger than them, nor they do. Our matter is one, except for our disagreement in Uthman’s blood, and we are innocent from his murder." [Nahjul Balagha, vol.3, p.648]

    THE MERITS OF 'ALI B. ABI TALIB (ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH HIM) and other Companions of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH]

    Translation in English:

    “If you help him (Muhammad) not (it does not matter), for Allaah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two; when they were in the cave, he said to his companion: ‘Be not sad (or afraid), surely, Allaah is with us.’ Then Allaah sent down His Sakeenah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allaah that became the uppermost; and Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise” [[AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 40]

    English Translation:

    And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 100]


    And those who came (into the faith) after them say: Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who were before us in the faith, and place not in our hearts any rancour toward those who believe. Our Lord! Thou art Full of Pity, Merciful. [AL-HASHR (EXILE, BANISHMENT) Chapter 59 Verse 10]


    English Translation:

    Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave the pledge to you under the tree, He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory. [Surah Al-Fath Chapter 48 Verse 18]

    English Translation:

    And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph. [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 - Verse 100]


    Translation:

    Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward. [AL-FATH (VICTORY, CONQUEST)Chapter 48: Verse 29]

    One of the basic principles of Muslims is that they accept that which has been narrated in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and the consensus of the scholars, concerning the virtues and status (of the Sahaabah). They give precedence to those who spent and fought before the victory – the treaty of al-Hudaybiyah – over those who spent and fought afterwards, because Allaah says:


    English Translation:

    And what aileth you that ye spend not in the way of Allah when unto Allah belongeth the inheritance of the heavens and the earth? Those who spent and fought before the victory are not upon a level (with the rest of you). Such are greater in rank than those who spent and fought afterwards. Unto each hath Allah promised good. And Allah is Informed of what ye do. [AL-HADID (THE IRON) Chapter 57 Verse 10]

    They believe that Allaah said concerning the people of Badr – who numbered three hundred and umpteen – “Do whatever you like, for I have forgiven you,” because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Maybe Allah looked at the people of Badr and said, ‘Do whatever you like, for I have forgiven you.’” (Bukhari and Muslim from the hadeeth of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib)


    English Translation:

    Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance unto thee beneath the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down peace of reassurance on them, and hath rewarded them with a near victory; [AL-FATH (VICTORY, CONQUEST) Chapter 48 Verse 18]

    The Army Commander at Karbala was Umar Bin Saad Bin Waqas [with whom Hazrat Hussein Ibn Ali - May Allah be pleased with him was negotiating - Saad Bin Waqas was a very close relative of Prophet Mohammad - PBUH - Read Tabari, Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya and Ibn Aseer, and Ibn Khalqan] and from Sa'ad Bin Waqas [May Allah be pleased with him] we have a Hadith on the Virtue of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]

    The narrations below were narrated by Hazrat Saad Bin Waqas [May Allah be pleased with him] and his son Amir. Hazrat Saad was maternal uncle of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH].

    1- Amir b Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reporte (l on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) addressing 'All said: You are in the same position with relation to me as Aaron- (Harun) was in relation to Moses but with (this explicit difference) that there is no prophet after me. Sa'd said: I had an earnest desire to hear it directly from Sa'd, so I met him and narrated to him what (his son) Amir had narrated to me, whereupon he said: Yes, I did hear it. I said: Did you hear it yourself? Thereupon he placed his fingers upon his ears and said: Yes, and if not, let both my ears become deaf.

    2- Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) left 'Ali b. Abi Talib behind him (as he proceeded) to the expedition of Tabuk, whereupon he ('Ali) said: Allah's Messenger, are you leaving me behind amongst women 4nd children? Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there would be no prophet after me.

    3- Sa'd reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying to 'Ali: Aren't you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses?

    NOTE: Rafizi accept these Hadith about Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him] but I fail to understand is it possible that the son of Hazrat Saad i.e. Amr Bin Saad was shown by the same Historian Tabari through 'doubtful' narrators as the Leader of the Syrian Army [under the orders of Ubaidullah Bin Ziyad bin Abusufiyan (Ziyad had served as Governor of Persia under Hazrat Ali - May Allah be pleasede with him)] sent against Hazrat Hussain [May Allah be pleased with him].

    Abu Mikhnaf [The Liar Rafizi Narrator whose narrations were the major part of Tabari's History regarding Jamal, Siffin, Neherwan, and Karbala] in his separate book "Maqtal Hussein (Urdu Translation published in Hyderabad Daccan India] has also reported that before the  main 'battle' of Karbala, Huzrat Hussain and Amr Bin Saad [relatives] were discussing something without anyone with them.

    Nobody questions Tabari and Mikhnaf as to what were they discussing before the 'alleged massacre'.?

    Regarding Khilafa!

    Ibn Katheer said in his Tafseer (3/517):

    This phrase is used a great deal by scribes who are transcribing books in which the phrase “ ‘alayhi al-salaam (upon him be peace) is used in reference to ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him), to the exclusion of other Sahaabah, or the words “karrama Allaahu wajhahu (may Allaah honour his face)” are used. Although the meaning is acceptable, we should respect all the Sahaabah equally in this way, because this is a kind of veneration and honouring, and the two shaykhs [Abu Bakr and ‘Umar] and Ameer al-Mu’mineen ‘Uthmaan are more deserving of that – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

    Saying the words “karrama Allaahu wajhahu (may Allaah honour his face)” after mentioning the name of ‘Ali and singling him out in this manner is one aspect of the way in which the Shi’ah exaggerate about him. It was said that this is because he never looked at the ‘awrah of any person at all, or because he never prostrated to an idol. But this is not something that is unique to him, as other Sahaabah who were born in Islam also shared these characteristics.

    Some of them said that the words “karrama Allaahu wajhahu (may Allaah honour his face)” are only said in reference to ‘Ali because he never prostrated to any idol.

    The Raafidis, the enemies of ‘Ali and the enemies of the family of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) use this phrase, we should avoid imitating the people of bid’ah (innovation). And Allaah knows best.

    They have reasons for doing that which do not justify singling out ‘Ali for this phrase, such as the fact that he never looked at the ‘awrah of another person, or that he never prostrated to any idol. But those Sahaabah who were born in Islam also share these chracateristics. It should also be noted that when giving any reason it is also essential to offer evidence and proof.

    Undoubtedly the noble Sahaabi ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib was one of the wisest and most determined of people. He is well known for his courage and bravery. He was the first youth to enter Islam, then he stayed close to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) before the Hijrah. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left Makkah, accompanied by Abu Bakr, he stayed behind and slept in the Prophet’s bed (thus fooling the mushrikeen who wanted to kill the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)). Among his virtues are those mentioned in the hadeeth narrated by Sahl ibn Sa’d (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said that he heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, on the day of Khaybar, “I will give the flag to a man at whose hands Allaah will grant victory.” They got up, wishing to see to whom the flag would be given, each of them hoping that he would be given the flag. Then he said, “Where is ‘Ali?” He was told that he was suffering from eye-trouble. He ordered that ‘Ali should be called to him, then he spat in his eyes and he was healed immediately, as if he has never had any problem in his eyes. [Bukhari and Muslim]

    Just as ‘Ali had many virtues and good characteristics, other Sahaabah also had other virtues and good characteristics.  Among the virtues of Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) is that which was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri, who said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delivered a khutbah and said: “Allaah has given a slave the choice between this world and what is with Him, and he chose what is with Him.” Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) began to weep, and I said to myself, “What is making this old man cry if Allaah has given a slave the choice between this world and what is with Him, and he chose what is with Him?” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was that slave, and Abu Bakr was the most knowledgeable of us. He said, “O Abu Bakr, do not weep. Abu Bakr has favoured me greatly with his companionship and his wealth. If I were to have taken a close friend among my ummah, I would have chosen Abu Bakr, but the brotherhood of Islam is sufficient. Do not leave any door to the mosque without closing it off, apart from the door of Abu Bakr.” [Bukhari and Muslim]

    Another of his virtues is that he accompanied the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) during the Hijrah (migration to Madeenah), as Allaah says

    [[AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION) Chapter 9 Verse 40]

    (interpretation of the meaning):


    “If you help him (Muhammad) not (it does not matter), for Allaah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two; when they (Muhammad and Abu Bakr) were in the cave, he said to his companion (Abu Bakr): ‘Be not sad (or afraid), surely, Allaah is with us.’ Then Allaah sent down His Sakeenah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allaah that became the uppermost; and Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”.

    And ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed him as the commander of the army of Dhaat al-Salaasil. He said: So I came to him and said, “Which of the people is dearest to you?” He said, “ ‘Aa’ishah.” I said, “Who among men?” He said, “Her father.” I said, “Then who?” He said, “Then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab,” and he mentioned some other men. [Bukhari and Muslim]

    Another of his virtues is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed him to lead the prayers in his stead at the end of his life, when he fell sick with his final illness, and he rebuked those who objected to this and said, “Tell Abu Bakr to lead the people in prayer.” [Bukhari and Muslim] 

    And it was narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) climbed Uhud with Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan, and it trembled beneath them. He said, ‘Stand firm, O Uhud, for there is no one on you but a Prophet, a Siddeeq and two martyrs.” [Bukhari]

    With regard to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him), he also had many virtues and good characteristics which were proven in many reports. For example it was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whilst I was sleeping, I saw the people were shown to me, and they were wearing shirts. Some shirts came down to the chest, and some were shorter than that. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab was shown to me and he was wearing a shirt that dragged along the ground.” They said, “How did you interpret that, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Religious commitment.” [Bukhari and Muslim] 

    It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whilst I was sleeping, a cup of milk was brought to me and I drank until I saw its wetness coming out of my nails. Then I gave the rest to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab.” They said, “How did you interpret that, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “(It is) knowledge.” [Bukhari and Muslim]

    And it was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, “Among the nations who came before you there were muhaddathoon (men who were inspired) and if there are any such men among my ummah, then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab is one of them.” [Muslim]

    And there is other evidence which points to the virtues of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). But the fact that some of them were superior to others is something that makes sense and is proven in sharee’ah.  It is not the matter of whims and desires, rather it should be referred to sharee’ah, as Allaah says:

    [AL-QASAS (THE STORY, STORIES) Chapter 28 - Verse 68]

    (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And your Lord creates whatsoever He wills and chooses, no choice have they (in any matter). Glorified is Allaah, and exalted above all that they associate (as partners with Him)”

    So we should refer to the Quran and Hadith's evidence in order to find out the status of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “We used to compare the people as to who was better at the time of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). We used to regard Abu Bakr as the best, then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, then ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with them).” [Bukhari]. According to another report he said: “At the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) we did not regard anyone as equal with Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar, then ‘Uthmaan, then we left the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and we did not differentiate between them.” [Bukhari].

    This is testimony of all the Sahaabah, narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar, that Abu Bakr was superior to all the Sahaabah, followed by ‘Umar, then ‘Uthmaan.

    Now let us turn to ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) himself, and he see what he said. It was narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah (who was the son of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib) said: “I said to my father, ‘Which of the people was the best after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?’ He said, ‘Abu Bakr.’ I said, ‘Then who?’ He said, ‘Then ‘Umar.’ I was afraid that he would say ‘Uthmaan. I said, ‘Then is it you?’ He said, ‘I am only one of the Muslims.’” [Bukhari]

    It was narrated that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “No one is brought to me who regards me as superior to Abu Bakr and ‘Umar but I will punish him with a beating like a fabricator.” Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: It was narrated that he used to speak from the minbar of Kufa and say that the best of this ummah after our Prophet was Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar. This was narrated from him via more than eighty isnaads, and it was narrated by al-Bukhaari and others. Hence the earlier Shi’ah all used to agree that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar were superior, as has been mentioned by more than one. Manhaaj al-Sunnah, 1/308

    It was narrated from Abu Juhayfah that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) ascended the minbar and praised and glorified Allaah and sent blessings upon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then he said: “The best of this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr. The second is ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), and after that, whoever Allaah wants to be good will be good.” [Musnad Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal]

    These ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and these reports from the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) all testify to the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, amongst whom there is no dispute concerning it, that the best of this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him), then ‘Umar. May Allaah be pleased with all of the Sahaabah.

    With regard to the idea that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar always used to ask ‘Ali questions and that they did not have knowledge, this is not proven in any report whatsoever. Rather it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ordered that Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) should lead the people in prayer when he was sick with his final illness. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have delegated this task except to one who had knowledge of the rulings on the prayer. And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) to lead the Hajj before the Farewell Pilgrimage, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have appointed a man to such a position unless he was the most knowledgeable of them concerning it (the Hajj). Indeed it is narrated that ‘Ali learned some ahaadeeth from Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with them both) concerning some issues. It was narrated that Asma’ bint al-Hakam al-Fazaari said: “I heard ‘Ali say: I was a man who, if I heard a hadeeth from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Allaah would benefit me thereby as much as He willed to benefit me. If a man from among his companions told me a hadeeth I would ask him to swear to it; if he swore to it then I would believe him.” He told me that Abu Bakr said, and Abu Bakr spoke the truth, “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘There is no man who commits a sin then he gets up and purifies himself and prays, and seeks the forgiveness of Allaah, but Allaah will forgive him.’ Then he recited this verse :

    [AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN) Chapter 3 - Verse 135]

    (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And those who, when they have committed Faahishah (illegal sexual intercourse) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allaah and ask forgiveness for their sins; — and none can forgive sins but Allaah — and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know” [Tirmidhi]


    Tirmidhi narrated from ‘Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has placed truth on the tongue of ‘Umar and in his heart.”

    And we have quoted above the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning ‘Umar: “Among the nations who came before you there were muhaddathoon (men who were inspired) and if there are any such men among my ummah, then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab is one of them.”

    The point is that the belief of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, on which they are unanimously agreed, is that the best of this ummah after its Prophet is Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar – may Allaah be pleased with them both.

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: “No one among the respectable Muslim scholars has said that ‘Ali was more knowledgeable or had more understanding of Islam than Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, or even than Abu Bakr alone. Those who claim that there is consensus on that are among the most ignorant of people and the greatest liars. Rather, more than one of the scholars have stated that there is scholarly consensus that Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq was more knowledgeable than ‘Ali, such as Imam Mansoor ibn ‘Abd al-Jabbaar al-Sam’aani al-Marwadhi, one of the leading scholars of the Sunnah among the companions of al-Shaafa’i, who mentioned in his book Taqweem al-Adillah ‘ala’l-Imam that there was consensus among the scholars of the Sunnah that Abu Bakr was more knowledgeable than ‘Ali. I do not know of anyone among the famous imams who disputes this point. How could it be otherwise when Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq used to issue rulings and commands and prohibitions, and pass judgements, and deliver khutbahs in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as he used to do when he and Abu Bakr would go out to call the people to Islam, and when they migrated together, and on the day of Hunayn, and on other occasions, when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) remained silent and approved of what Abu Bakr said; no one else enjoyed such status.

    When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) consulted with the wise and knowledgeable men among his companions, he would consult Abu Bakr and ‘Umar first, because they were the first to speak about matters of Islam in the presence of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) before the rest of his companions; for example when he consulted them about the prisoners of Badr, the first ones who spoke about that were Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, and this also happened on other occasions… In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated that the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) were with him on a journey and he said: “If the people obey Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, they will be guided aright.” And it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that he used to give his fatwas based on the Book of Allaah, and if he could not find anything then he would look at the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then if he could not find anything he would refer to the fatwas of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, then if he did not find anything he would refer to the fatwas of ‘Uthmaan and ‘Ali – and Ibn ‘Abbaas was the habr al-ummah (scholar of the ummah) and the most knowledgeable of the Sahaabah of his time, and he would consult the words of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar and give them precedence over the words of anyone else among the Sahaabah. And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed for Ibn ‘Abbaas and said, “O Allaah, cause him to understand the religion of Islam and teach him the correct interpretation (of the Qur’aan).”

    Hadiths on Muawiyah [May Allah be pleased with him] :

    Abdullah Bin Abbas (RA) once said: " Leave Amir Muawiyah (RA) alone because he is a person who has enjoyed the Companionship of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). [Bukhari Chapter Companions of the Prophet]Narrated Ibn Abu Mulaika:  Muawiya offered one Rak'a Witr prayer after the 'Isha prayer, and at that time a freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas was present. He (i.e. the slave) went to Ibn 'Abbas (and told him that Muawiya offered one Rak'a Witr prayer). Ibn Abbas said, "Leave him, for he was in the company of Allah's Apostle." [Sahih Bukhari Chapter Companions of the Prophet]

    Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab:

    When Muawiya bin Abu Sufyan came to Medina for the last time, he delivered a sermon before us. He took out a tuft of hair and said, "I never thought that someone other than the Jews would do such a thing (i.e. use false hair). The Prophet named such a practice, 'Az-Zur' (i.e. falsehood)," meaning the use of false hair. [Sahih Bukhari] 

    Narrated Humran bin Abbas:

    Muawiya said (to the people), "You offer a prayer which we, who were the companions of the Prophet never saw the Prophet offering, and he forbade its offering," i.e. the two Rakat after the compulsory 'Asr prayer.[Sahih Bukhari] 

    Abi Mujliz reported: "Muawiyah went to Abdullah ibn Zubayr and Abi Amir, when he reached there abi amir stood up out of respect to muawiya whereas abdulla ibn zubayr remained sitting. Muawiya then said to abi Amir:"sit down for i have heard the Apostle of Allah(saw) saying:"that person who likes to see others stand up for him, then let him occupy his seat in hell fire."[Sunan Abu Dawoud]

    Narrated Anas bin Malik:

    Allah's Apostle used to visit Um Haran bint Milhan, who would offer him reals. Um-Haram was the wife of Ubada bin As-Samit. Allah's Apostle, once visited her and she provided him with food and started looking for lice in his head. Then Allah's Apostle slept, and afterwards woke up smiling. Um Haran asked, "What causes you to smile, O Allah's Apostle?" He said. "Some of my followers who (in a dream) were presented before me as fighters in Allah's Cause (on board a ship) amidst this sea cause me to smile; they were as kings on the thrones (or like kings on the thrones)." (Ishaq, a sub-narrator is not sure as to which expression the Prophet used.) Um-Haram said, "O Allah's Apostle! Invoke Allah that he makes me one of them. Allah's Apostle invoked Allah for her and slept again and woke up smiling. Once again Um Haram asked, "What makes you smile, O Allah's Apostle?" He replied, "Some of my followers were presented to me as fighters in Allah's Cause," repeating the same dream. Um-Haram said, "O Allah's Apostle! Invoke Allah that He makes me one of them." He said, "You are amongst the first ones." It happened that she sailed on the sea during the Caliphate of Mu'awlya bin Abi Sufyan, and after she disembarked, she fell down from her riding animal and died. [Bukhari : Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)]'Umar ibn al-Khattab said, "Do not mention Mu'awiyah with anything but good. I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'O Allah, guide him!'"  [Mishkatul Misabeeh]

    The Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, “Oh Allah, make him [Mu’awiyah] a guide, guided, and guide people through him.” [Al-Tirmidhi and Mishkat Al-Masabeeh]

     The Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said,  “O’ Allah, teach Mu’awiyah the Quran and math, and save him from the hellfire.” [Mawarid Al-Dam’an, by Al-Haythami]

    When there is a discussion on the Companions [May Aallh be pleased with all of them] of the Prophet Mohammad [Peace be upon him] then Wisdom, Academic eyes, and Qeel-Qaal-Taweel and History should take a hike. You have agreed that Hazrat Jaffer Sadiq [Rahimaullah] was the Great Grandson of Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq [May Allah be pleased with him] and Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq [May Allah be pleased with him] was 'Siddiq' i.e. friend of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] and this friendship is mentioned in Quran and Hadith as well, then Mohammad [PBUH]'s Hadith are final word on Hazrat Muawiyah [May Allah be pleased with him]. How can one condemn Muawiyah when the friend [Mohammad] of Hazrat Jaffar Sadiq's Grandfather [Abu Bakar] praising and giving him tidings of paradise?

    By Aamir Mughal -



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    For the Praise hungry Jamshed  Basha alias Shaukat Husain alias....

    Well Mr Jamshed Basha ,  praise and respect is not a commodity that you can demanded  at your whims  and fancy,  these things have to be earned,  where you utterly failed,  when you started spreading fitna among the two major sects of Islam viz the Shias and Sunnis though several people have requested you on this site to abstain from spreading hatred and indulging in slandering the family of the Prophet pbuh in your own discreet style by glorifying the enemies of the progeny of the Prophet pbuh , specially the Yazeed Lanati and when you were squarely taken up by your own broomstick,  you started crying foul at the top your voice like a poor old innocent man which you are not. As regard to personal attacks let me remind you, there has been such attacks only against yourself and your one and only  friend you know who,  for you both have proved beyond doubt that you are the enemy of the family of the Prophet Pbuh because every now and then you stood by Yazeed lanati and his likes. Personal or  indirect  people like you deserve a Bashing and this is exactly what you got on this site by various participants. BTW Mr. Basha have you told your Shiite friends Mr Ali and Hyder Ali  about the venom the you have spitted against the Shiites before you requested them to write to Sultan Shaheen to check messages with  personal attacks. Or mr ali and Hyder Ali are your clones too?

    NB:  Janab Sultan shahin sb.  Salaamz

    The gentlemen Mr. Shaukat Husain is none other than Mr. Jamshed Basha himself,  you check by your own means to corroborate my claim.

    Regards

    Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez.

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Dear Sultan Shahin,

    I am really sorry to read such bad stuff on your web site. I though New Age Islam would bring something new about Islam. But it is bring back the old fight between various sects of Islam. Why not, Muslims fought right from the day Prophet Mohammed saww died. We spent a lot of time knowing who should have been the first Khalifa whether Abu Bakr or Ali. It is really a matter of shame that a woman writer could expose her vulgarity in such a fashion before a public domain like this web page where many non-muslims were wondering what kind of Muslims they are. Certainly, I could not find one sobre writer who could be so decent in his writings particularly when writing about some of enlightened companions of the Prophet saww.

    May be some sects have a grienvance for their loyalty to one or the other of the sahabi Rasool saww. But the passage of time has not taught us any thing, then Islam is not fit to survive amidst the present day chaos and confusion. Look what happens in Gaza where hundreds were killed and who are Hamas, a shia organisation. But then the whole Muslim ummaat is with them in expressing their anguish and anger towards US and Israel. Is it time to speak ill of one another? Is it time to wash dirty linen in public? Is it time to berate one another to become a laughing stock of the other communities? Is it time to spit on one another and throw mud on one another? Are we not ashamed of calling our selves as the follower of the great Mohammed saww, who when rubbish were thrown, never retaliated but looked back on the thrower jew woman with a smile. When one day when she failed to throw mud, Rasool saww went to enquire to find her ill. Seeing the great Prophet saww, she fell on his feet and embraced Islam. This was the character of the man, who single handedly spread Islam amidst so much animosity and hatred. Who could have done it but for Mohammed saww. At one time, even his greatest enemy Abu Jahel told Prophet saww that "we cannot say you are a liar, but we can say that the message you brought was a lie". Here also one can find that the greatest enemy of the Prophet could not find with the unimpeaching character of the Prophet saww. Are we the same people who take allegiance on the same Prophet saww who taught us to be polite with people, be proactive and be compassionate. It is rather shameful to read such nasty stuff from the writers who claim to fight in the name of the same Prophet saww. We are still living in a medeival age, where the enemity is carried through generations.

    It is time for all of us as Muslims to unite forgetting our difference over ideology or politics or over what happened over a millinium ago. Lets joiin to safeguard the interest of the community which is longing for some one to lead through the thick blanket of hatred and suspicion following the serial blasts and terror attack. It is quite fortunate that nothing untoward happened to the community unlike post-godra riots. Muslims living here have a very fragile unity. It is obvious when one goes through the writings here on the website. Every body at each other's throat over a trivial matter of religion which is nothing to do with the present day situation. I am really sorry to say that Muslims appear united but they are not. Go to their mosques or dargas or any association you can find them at each other's throat for nothing. They fight on small and petty matters as to who should stand in the first row and where children should stand. When we lack such unity in a sacred place like mosque or dargah, how can we unite this community. It is would be a great task for a leader who wanted to lead them.

    Let us all shun our differences and resolve to fight against our common enemy and carry on a real Jihad against poverty, lack of hospitals, lack of proper educational insitutions, lack of facilities for their youth for job, lack of higher education and so on and so forth. We have plenty to fight than to cheer the Pakistani team winning in India. We must all come out of the denial and shun pro-pakistani feelings. I think such feelings do not exit now with the present muslims finding them more as liability than profit. Muslims of today are more Indians than before as they have shown following the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack. They even refused to bury the militants who were killed itself shows how much they are attached to the cause of the country. Such timely display of Muslim unity had saved them from the blushes. Now even the Hindus have realaised their folly in doubting their loyalty and sense of patriotism.

    In the end I appeal to one and all to show your differences through useful writings and not hurling shoes at one another to become a mockery of the world. All our actions are under scrutiny not only by people of other faiths but also Allah Himself watching us. Let us not berate the great religion of Islam through our own conducts. Maassalama.

    By Shaukat Hussein -



  • Tashoo, while praising my style of writing, failed to enlighten the readers about the real contribution made by Imam Hussein Ra during his life time to the cause of Islam. There was none except for the fact that he was the grandson of Prophet Mohammed PBUH. On the spiritual side too, while there were several quotes from other Ashabe Rasool, hardly there is any hadit sourced from him. It is understandable that he was too young when our Prophet PBUH died. But then to project him in a larger than his life size, is something not agreeable. One's love to progency apart, one must be duty bound to present the facts and not concocted stories to paint him as a cult figure, which is travesty of justice (Jamsheed Basha)

    Dear Mr. Basha,

    Had it not been for the heroic struggle of al-'Imam al-Husayn (A), nothing would have remained of the genuine teachings of Islam, even Yazid, with the help of hired historians, would have gone into history as a respectable Islamic ruler and as a deserving successor of the Messenger of Allah (S). Of course, some court historians and fuqaha tried to justify even the blackest crimes of Yazid as errors of ijtihad. But such justifications did not succeed in convincing honourable or aware Muslim. All that such historians and fuqaha could succeed in achieving was everlasting ignominy for themselves.

     
    Al-Imam al-Husayn (A) through his tragic martyrdom revived Islam and preserved its authentic teachings from the hands of tyrants. hence the Islamic world is indebted to this brave son of Fatimah al-Zahra (A) and shall remain indebted to him to the Day of Resurrection.

    Wassalam,

     

    By TASHOO -



  • Amir Moghul Salam

     

    Are you aware that inconsistency is the trait of a liar, at one occasion you have said that you do not curse the Yazeed  lanati  because he had a  Pious Wife having origin from the family of Ahlulbait  (as per your claim) and today you have forgotten your own words and  quoted the holy Quran arguing exactly the opposite of what you said?  “Each soul earneth only on its own account, or doth any laden bear another's load. Then unto your Lord is your return and He will tell you that wherein ye differed. [Quran AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6: Verse 164]” (as quoted by Amir Moghul)

    Don’t you feel any quilt when you indulge in such diametrically opposed behaviour just to win a debate? Do you have any right to quote the Holy Quran when your Blog,  which I Visited only yesterday, besides other things, announces that you are a lover of Western Music and also has links to the Music sites, now, is this a trait of a Muslim? Do you have the right to come up with quotations from the Hadith and the Quran Majeed when you don’t practice a single word therein? As regard to my being worried about your salvation let me remind you that it is my duty to do Tableigh and feel care and concern for every brother in faith, my worries about your salvation can only be misplaced in case you are not a Muslim.

     

    By Humrazz -



  •  

    Ms. Dishad Begum,

    None of what you have stated is correct. It's not proper to try to malign any sect of Islam, with false propoganda. Not everything available on websites is true. A lot of the stuff on websites be it YouTube or others, is a result of a vicious campaign to divide the Muslims. While there are some differences of opinion between the two sects, we must refrain from any writings which hurt the sentiments of each other, for it gives others a chance to laugh at us. A Sunni-Shia divide is what the West and Israel have on top of their agenda. We need to unite to fight the enemies of Islam be it CIA or Mosad or the followers of the so-called true Islam with their radical ideology.

    Wassalam, 

    By HASAN IQBAL -



  • I was too busy last week in UAE, so I could not comment further Jamsheed Sb. & Amir Mugal, today I am bit relaxes and got some time to add further on my previous post. I believe this debate will not end at any common point because participants are too biased in approaches and trying to impose their ideology which is based on their own judgment on actual Islamic jurisprudence. And this Islamic Jurisprudence, we inherited from our parents and adopted it without any reasoning and intellects.

    Whereas concept of Islam is same among all Muslim sects which is “Submission to the will of Allah and believing Mohammed (PUH) as His last messenger. And we all believe in Qoran which is same in all Muslim sects (it is wrong belief that Shiite have different Quran), Ahadees  (The sayings and deeds of the Mohammed PUH)and Five Pillars of Islam (Kalama, Prayer, Charity, Fasting & Pilgrimage)

    The fundamental concept in Islam is the Shari'ah, or Law, which embraces the total way of life commanded by Allah. This is where divisions occurred in Islam and brought about by disputes over the succession to the Mohammed (PUH).

    Here I want to make request to all the participants in this debate to stick to the point where actual differences started in Islamic Jurisprudence. Believe me, this is where you will be able to understand actual Islam.

    Note I am not saying that present Shiite Muslims are on actual Islamic path but I strongly believe that Shiite approach (Ijtihad) is the only way to reach to actual Islam.

    In my previous post, I have touched this point and raised some questions on the authenticity of Khalifa-1 and instead of getting answers I got some questions by Amir Mogul. And these questions are related to Imam Khomeini Sb., who was a revolutionist and an Islamic Scholar in Iran and do not deserves any answers because they are not dividing Muslims of today. And I never heard of  Jamsheed Sb statement about Imam Khomeini Sb. that he claimed to be representing Imam Mahdi A.S. and was getting revelation directly from Imam Mahdi A.S. Secondly Jamesheed Bhai, if you will read only Sunnis books, you will find nothing about contribution of Imam Hussain A.S. and you will never understand his sacrifice for Islam.

    Let me tell you, Islam is been divided into two: Politics and Doctrine whereas we Muslim of today considered Politics and Doctrine as two different entity. 1400 years before, Mohammed PUH, had established Islamic Governess Systems which was based on Qoran & Ahadees. And Khilafat is a governing power which is based on Islamic Jurisprudence. Islamic jurisprudence is based on Qoran and Ahadees.  Governance is the easy part of being in power because you govern through established systems. Systems are protected by actual Islamic Jurisprudence.

    So Abu Baker and his gang first step were to take governess in their hand. And after gaining Khilafat, his step was to kill those Muslims who were against his Khilafat, so he leveled them as Murtad and imposed an illegal war on them. Secondly he excluded Fatima AS’s legal right on Baagh-e-Fidaq. Evidences of these incidences are present in both Sunni and Shiites books of references.

    To conclude my comment, Khalifa-1 is a point where division started and Karbala is a witness to this widening gap and this gap is continuously widening. In Karbala we were less then 10% of Yazeed Paleed army, so are today this is because of the fact that Jannat is also less in size then Jahannum.

    By Mohammed Nahid Ansari -



  • I was too busy last week in UAE, so I could not comment further Jamsheed Sb. & Amir Mugal, today I am bit relaxes and got some time to add further on my previous post. I believe this debate will not end at any common point because participants are too biased in approaches and trying to impose their ideology which is based on their own judgment on actual Islamic jurisprudence. And this Islamic Jurisprudence, we inherited from our parents and adopted it without any reasoning and intellects.

    Whereas concept of Islam is same among all Muslim sects which is “Submission to the will of Allah and believing Mohammed (PUH) as His last messenger. And we all believe in Qoran which is same in all Muslim sects (it is wrong belief that Shiite have different Quran), Ahadees  (The sayings and deeds of the Mohammed PUH)and Five Pillars of Islam (Kalama, Prayer, Charity, Fasting & Pilgrimage)

    The fundamental concept in Islam is the Shari'ah, or Law, which embraces the total way of life commanded by Allah. This is where divisions occurred in Islam and brought about by disputes over the succession to the Mohammed (PUH).

    Here I want to make request to all the participants in this debate to stick to the point where actual differences started in Islamic Jurisprudence. Believe me, this is where you will be able to understand actual Islam.

    Note I am not saying that present Shiite Muslims are on actual Islamic path but I strongly believe that Shiite approach (Ijtihad) is the only way to reach to actual Islam.

    In my previous post, I have touched this point and raised some questions on the authenticity of Khalifa-1 and instead of getting answers I got some questions by Amir Mogul. And these questions are related to Imam Khomeini Sb., who was a revolutionist and an Islamic Scholar in Iran and do not deserves any answers because they are not dividing Muslims of today. And I never heard of  Jamsheed Sb statement about Imam Khomeini Sb. that he claimed to be representing Imam Mahdi A.S. and was getting revelation directly from Imam Mahdi A.S. Secondly Jamesheed Bhai, if you will read only Sunnis books, you will find nothing about contribution of Imam Hussain A.S. and you will never understand his sacrifice for Islam.

    Let me tell you, Islam is been divided into two: Politics and Doctrine whereas we Muslim of today considered Politics and Doctrine as two different entity. 1400 years before, Mohammed PUH, had established Islamic Governess Systems which was based on Qoran & Ahadees. And Khilafat is a governing power which is based on Islamic Jurisprudence. Islamic jurisprudence is based on Qoran and Ahadees.  Governance is the easy part of being in power because you govern through established systems. Systems are protected by actual Islamic Jurisprudence.

    So Abu Baker and his gang first step were to take governess in their hand. And after gaining Khilafat, his step was to kill those Muslims who were against his Khilafat, so he leveled them as Murtad and imposed an illegal war on them. Secondly he excluded Fatima AS’s legal right on Baagh-e-Fidaq. Evidences of these incidences are present in both Sunni and Shiites books of references.

    To conclude my comment, Khalifa-1 is a point where division started and Karbala is a witness to this widening gap and this gap is continuously widening. In Karbala we were less then 10% of Yazeed Paleed army, so are today this is because of the fact that Jannat is also less in size then Jahannum.

    By Mohammed Nahid Ansari -



  • Dear Mr. Ali and Hyder Ali,

     

    Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into the matter and see what we can do. Some of the site’s other readers were also beginning to wonder if their information about Shias generally being a positive community was wrong and if they were more like some of the commentators here. Apparently not. There may be a few bad eggs, however, like everywhere else. Or plants, as you suggest.

     

    In fact I have myself been quite perturbed for some time at finding that the only thing that seems to interest some Muslims is sectarian warfare. Nothing constructive seems to interest these people. Rethinking Islam is in the long-term interest of the community. Please help the site carry the process further. "Rebooting Islam" for instance, is what should be getting your attention. But most readers have not commented on the idea. We cannot possibly live in the 6th century today, nor fight the battles of Badr or Karbala, that too at a time when Karbalas and worse are taking place everyday.  We must come back to our times in the 21st century and grapple with problems of today. Please start focussing on that.

     

    Thanks and regards,

    Sultan Shahin

    By Sultan Shahin -



  • I visited You Tube and found materials found the following:

    Why we should not believe Shias version of Karbala.

    1. Ali is God (Jilaul Ayoon Vol.2 page 66)

    2. Wherever 'Qur'an' refer to 'Rabb' it meant as Ali (ra) Nauzubillah (Jilaul Ayoon p.66)

    3.Mohammed (saww) and his descendents are omnipresent and ominpotent and it is their quality and Allah (nauzubillah)

    4.Nothing is hidden from Imams of Shias, they have full knowledge of past, present and future (Asoole Kufi Vol.1 p.260)

    5.Imam gets revelations from Allah (Assole Kufi Vol.I p.329-330)

    6.Imams are not born through the wombs of their mothers but they are born from the sides of their mother (Nauzubillah) Kila-ul-Ayoon Vol.II p. 474.)

    7.There are 1700 Ays in the Quran (Al-shafi vol.2 p.616)

    8.Quran ascended in 4 parts whereas the present Quran is consists of 3 parts (Shia aur Tehreefe Quran P.62)

    9.The preent Qur'an is abridged, whereas the orignal Qur'an is kept by Imam Mehdi (Hazaar Tumhari, Das Hamari P.553)

    10. Original Quran will come into view till the manifestation of Imam Mehdi (Anwarul Nau'ama Vol.II p.360 published in Iran).

    11. The present Qur'an hs been purposely altered by drunkard three Caliphs (Nauzubillah) The present Quran is false. (Quran translated by Maghbool Hussain Dahelvi, Cap.12, p.384)

    12.One who doest not consider Ali as the first Caliph is a postate (Anwarul Naumani Vol.3 p.264 publihsed in Iran)

    13. Imam possesses more attributes than a prophet possess (Assol Kafi Vol.I p388)

    14. Prophet Mohammed (saww) used to perform Taquiyyah (conceal the facts ) nauzubillah. (hariyatul Qubul Vol.2 page. No.118 published in Iran).

    15. All the people rejected Islam after the death of the Prophet PBUH except three Miqdad, Abu Zar, and Salman Farsi (Ra). (Quran Majeed by Salman Daehlvi p.134).

    16. Abu Bakr and Umar (ra) were more tyrant than Shaithan (nauzubillah) (Haqul Yaqeen p.no.509)

    These and many more have been revealed in the You Tube which is still available on Google Search machine. Will our readers go and use the same filthy language aginst the YouTube brocasters. Dilshad Begum.

     

    By Dilshad Begum -



  • I visited You Tube and found materials found the following:

    Why we should not believe Shias version of Karbala.

    1. Ali is God (Jilaul Ayoon Vol.2 page 66)

    2. Wherever 'Qur'an' refer to 'Rabb' it meant as Ali (ra) Nauzubillah (Jilaul Ayoon p.66)

    3.Mohammed (saww) and his descendents are omnipresent and ominpotent and it is their quality and Allah (nauzubillah)

    4.Nothing is hidden from Imams of Shias, they have full knowledge of past, present and future (Asoole Kufi Vol.1 p.260)

    5.Imam gets revelations from Allah (Assole Kufi Vol.I p.329-330)

    6.Imams are not born through the wombs of their mothers but they are born from the sides of their mother (Nauzubillah) Kila-ul-Ayoon Vol.II p. 474.)

    7.There are 1700 Ays in the Quran (Al-shafi vol.2 p.616)

    8.Quran ascended in 4 parts whereas the present Quran is consists of 3 parts (Shia aur Tehreefe Quran P.62)

    9.The preent Qur'an is abridged, whereas the orignal Qur'an is kept by Imam Mehdi (Hazaar Tumhari, Das Hamari P.553)

    10. Original Quran will come into view till the manifestation of Imam Mehdi (Anwarul Nau'ama Vol.II p.360 published in Iran).

    11. The present Qur'an hs been purposely altered by drunkard three Caliphs (Nauzubillah) The present Quran is false. (Quran translated by Maghbool Hussain Dahelvi, Cap.12, p.384)

    12.One who doest not consider Ali as the first Caliph is a postate (Anwarul Naumani Vol.3 p.264 publihsed in Iran)

    13. Imam possesses more attributes than a prophet possess (Assol Kafi Vol.I p388)

    14. Prophet Mohammed (saww) used to perform Taquiyyah (conceal the facts ) nauzubillah. (hariyatul Qubul Vol.2 page. No.118 published in Iran).

    15. All the people rejected Islam after the death of the Prophet PBUH except three Miqdad, Abu Zar, and Salman Farsi (Ra). (Quran Majeed by Salman Daehlvi p.134).

    16. Abu Bakr and Umar (ra) were more tyrant than Shaithan (nauzubillah) (Haqul Yaqeen p.no.509)

    These and many more have been revealed in the You Tube which is still available on Google Search machine. Will our readers go and use the same filthy language aginst the YouTube brocasters. Dilshad Begum.

     

    By Dilshad Begum -



  • Dear Editor,

    I am a regular visitor to the site. I found that the site is not secure as anybody posing pseudo names could post their views and create a controversy.  It becomes easy for anybody to create a problem in the community. Isarel has been doing it for a long time. Many Islamic bearing website are being used to project Islam in a different perspective. Here too, it appears that  many writers who post their comments reflecting the bad side of the religion.

    Kindly secure the site so that readers can report for abuse as in the case of rediff.com, By this or any method, the Editor or administrator of the site choses to secure the websites conduct and security, it can prevent obsecene use of language and decency is maintained in the debate. I am sorry it has become a spectacle of redicule among the non-Muslim visitors to the site. The early you make the changes and secure the site from obnoxious visitors, it is better. Otherwise many valuable writers would stop contribution to the debate or discussion. Regards. Ali.

    By Ali -



  • Dear Editor,

    I have been watching the debate on this web page but sorry to say the way personal attack is going on against certain individuals, I do not think it is giving any good account of Muslims. I appeal to all readers to maintain courtesy and dcency while expressing one's disagreement. Sorry to say, even non-Muslims are laughing at us. Kindly avoid it. I also a belong to shias, but none of us indulge in such kind of writings or our Imams approve of such things against our Muslim brethren.

    Hyder Ali.

     

    By Hyder Ali -



  • Amir Moghul salam

    So you say, that you are a Muslim, and that would means you are not a Wahabi right? If you are not a Wahabi  then I will Pray for you [Humraz]

    Dear Humraz Sahab,

    Walaikum Assalam,

    Although I am a Muslim but lets just assume that I am a Wahabi as well then what? It has nothing to do with you because you are not the Judge and Ultimate Examiner.  Religion is a Personal Thing between the man and Allah.

    You don't have to worry about my salvation on the Judgement Day because Allah says:

    That no laden one shall bear another's load, And that man hath only that for which he maketh effort, And that his effort will be seen. And afterward he will be repaid for it with fullest payment; [Quran AN-NAJM (THE STAR) Chapter 53: Verse 38 to 41]

    Say: Shall I seek another than Allah for Lord, when He is Lord of all things? Each soul earneth only on its own account, nor doth any laden bear another's load. Then unto your Lord is your return and He will tell you that wherein ye differed. [Quran AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6: Verse 164]

    By the way thanks for the Prayers for my Salvation.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Amir Moghul salam

     

    So you say, that you are a Muslim, and that would means you are not a Wahabi right? If you are not a Wahabi then I will Pray for you that you  see the true Islam and May Allah almighty show you the right Path which is following the Prophet pbuh and his progeny only, and not involving and glorifying any tom dicks and harrys Along with the progeny of the Prophet Pbuh' I would also request you to Pray to Allah swt to guide you everytime you read a Hadith so as to discern a ture hadith from the wrong and concocted ones because only true faith and help from Allah swt can help you understand what is truth , for only Allah swt is the bestower of true faith and intelligence. Please don't read my message with any prejudice, lest you would miss the precious advice therin.

    By Humrazz -



  •  

    For the Zany Jamshed Basha

    I can not stop laughing ever since I see the new Avtar of  Mr. Basha  ( Ration shop Raided) lols  .….Mr Basha has developed cold feet eh!  Posted his message in office time though under a new Name (ration shop raided)... Has turned Broadcaster/concocter of petty News, I can’t even pity you, for you are the enemy of the family of the Prophet Pbuh, you are destined to show your back like your ancestors, the three caliphs who showed their backs in different battles,  even one of them  had the  criminality  and shamelessness to suffix the title of ‘GHANI’ to his name.

    By MRS. SAYYEDA KANEEZ -



  • Ration shops raided
    ERODE: Under the supervision of Joint Registrar of Cooperatives A.M. Jamsheed Basha, officials raided 50 ration shops in the district on Tuesday and detected various irregularities such as shortage of commodities and selling commodities in bogus bills etc., in some shops. A sum of Rs.15,596 was collected as fine from the erring salesmen.

    By Ration shops raided -



  • Many of the mystic beliefs of Sufism are direct adaptation of Hindu vedantic philosophy with particular emphasis on the Bhakti Yoga.   Anwar Shaik, a Pakistani scholar and philosopher has noted this, among others,  in his essays on Islamic Mysticism.   

    Sufism cannot be considered Islamic if the Quranic teaching is to be followed strictly.   That is why most traditional schools of Islam reject Sufism as non-Islamic.

    By B.S.M -



  •  Amir Moghul  salaam’First you say this…… “Dear Humraz Sahab,I dont believe in Sects and I have already made it very clear that I am a Muslim.”  (amir Moghul)Then soon after you say this in another post…… “Dear Humrazz Sahab,To make myself even more regarding my belief:Reality of Sufism - Ihttp://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-i.htmlReality of Sufism – II  (Amir Moghul) I ask your inconsistent self, You mean to say that  SUFIISM is not a sect? Instead of your usual this-that you answer my question straight whether you are a Wahabi ? a simple yes or know would suffice and save a lot of time. [Humraz]============================================ Dear Humraz Sahab, The link which i gave above says: http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-i.html Sufism: a sect that has introduced many innovated practices and beliefs into the religion of Islam while claiming to be mystical. Where did it say that Sufism is not a sect. Sufism is not only a sect but many sects rather confusion. Instead of your usual this-that you answer my question straight whether you are a Wahabi ? a simple yes or know would suffice and save a lot of time. [Humraz] Dear Humraz Sahab,Simple answer, I am a Muslim. By Aamir Mughal -



  • Amir Moghul  salaam’

    First you say this…… “Dear Humraz Sahab,

    I dont believe in Sects and I have already made it very clear that I am a Muslim.”  (amir Moghul)

    Then soon after you say this in another post……

     “Dear Humrazz Sahab,

    To make myself even more regarding my belief:

    Reality of Sufism - I

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-i.html

    Reality of Sufism – II  (Amir Moghul) 

    I ask your inconsistent self, You mean to say that  SUFIISM is not a sect?

    Instead of your usual this-that you answer my question straight whether you are a Wahabi ? a simple yes or know would suffice and save a lot of time.

    By HUMRAZZ -



  •  

    For the Zany Jamshed Basha

     

    Where are you Mr. Dishonest Govt. Employee, who does not earn his salary performing his duty but vie away his office time writing bull on this site, concocting religious material, bragging about himself, spreading fitna and hatred,  quoting movie dialogues Picture abhi baaki something something uffff!!!  I am sure you get on people’s nerve with your crass repetitions, there is no point in hiding Mr. Basha, you have been exposed inside out, by the will of Allah almighty and such is the fate of all the enemies of the family of the Prophet pbuh. Now no matter what all you say, everyone out here knows that you are Wahabi at heart and an enemy (in disguise) of the family of the Prophet pbuh.

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  •  

    Amir moghul salam

     

    I repeat that Abu Huraira was a cheat and concocter of Hadith which is a grave sin because it has drastic result and breed people like yourself, who blindly believe everything what they read if it suits their evil designs, as regard to your argument that Abu Huraira wrote a hadith about Prophets pbuh’s love for Imam hassan as …how can you be so timid so as to believe that a concocter of hadith would write everything false..no it does not work this way …every concocter intricately weaves false with truth to make it look like all truth…so don’t be fooled by the cunning of the likes of Abu Huraira the evil concocter who was also beaten till he bled by Umar farooq for  depicting certain things which Umer farooq did not like for it projected him in bad light. Also I would request you to argue with hiqmat and faith, abstain from copying from here and there for the sake of replying because most of the things you copy and paste is already done by you more than 50 times on this site and due to this annoying habit of yours, I am sure most people skip the long material that you post. Also you have not answered my question yet hence I repeat ARE YOU A WAHABI??

     

    By HUMRAZZ -



  • Muawiya, the usurper and father of Yazeed LA had set up a cottage industry for manufacturing wrong hadith and you know why.  Because he wanted to bring Prophet SAW to his level as written by prominent Sunni scholar Maulana Shibli Nomani.  That was Muawiya 1370 years ago and today it is you and the Saudi brand of Islam,When I quote about Abu Huraira and how badly he was beaten by Caliph Umar (RA) on the back till he bled you ask for sources and all the sites are mentioned and many of them belong to your school and your land. [Faraz]

    ======================================================

    Dear Faraz Sahab,

    Shibli Nomani is not a proof [Hujjat] in Islam [if he has really written that what you have quoted above!]. Regarding beating of Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] by Hazrat Omar [May Allah be pleased with him], I will again ask for a Source from where you have quoted the event.

    I have a firm belief on Hadith -e-Thaqlayn [Two Weighty Things] and Quran and Sunnah because both the Hadith are correct to the hilt. But you would have to withdraw your comment on Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] because he has also narrated theses two very important Hadiths.

    Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] had also narrated two very important Hadiths which Shia often quote 1 - Hadith Thaqalain [Two Weighty Things - Quran and Ahl Al Bayt] 2 - Ghadeer Khum. I wonder did Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] concoct [God Forbid] these Hadith as well.

    References:

    Subject: Narrators of Hadith-e-Thaqalain

    14. Abu Hurayrah, `Abd al­Rahman ibn Sakhr (d. 59/679).

    Abu Bakr al­ Bazzaz,

    Shams al­ Din al­ Sakhawi,

    Jalal al­ Din al­ Suyuti,

    Ahmad ibn al­ Fadl ibn Ba Kathir,

    Nur al­Din al­ Samhudi,

    Mahmud ibn Muhammad al­ Shaykhani al­ Qadiri.

    Subject: Narrator of Ghadeer Khum:

    Haafiz Abu Bakr Khateeb Baghdadi has narrated this tradition from Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] in his book of history.

    Janab Amir Moghul...salaam:in your hurry to reply, you missed my querry,  what  is your belief? where do you stand in all this? [Humraz]

    Dear Humrazz Sahab,

    To make myself even more regarding my belief:

    Reality of Sufism - I

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-i.html

    Reality of Sufism - II

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-ii.html

    Reality of Sufism - III

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-iii.html

    Reality of Sufism - IV

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-iv.html

    Reality of Sufism - V

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-v.html

    Reality of Sufism - VI

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/reality-of-sufism-vi.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Amir Mughal,

    Muawiya, the usurper and father of Yazeed LA had set up a cottage industry for manufacturing wrong hadith and you know why.  Because he wanted to bring Prophet SAW to his level as written by prominent Sunni scholar Maulana Shibli Nomani.  That was Muawiya 1370 years ago and today it is you and the Saudi brand of Islam,

    When I quote about Abu Huraira and how badly he was beaten by Caliph Umar (RA) on the back till he bled you ask for sources and all the sites are mentioned and many of them belong to your school and your land.

    You concoct hadith on Thaqlayn as

    Rasulullah (s) made sure that a system of guidance was in place when during the farewell pilgrimage at mount Arafat he said:

    "I am leaving you two weighty things, if you follow them you will never go astray, they are the Qur'an and my Ahlul'bayt".

    1. Sunan al-Tirmidhi, v5, page 662-663

    2. Jalaluddin Suyuti declares it Sahih in Al-Jami al-Saghir Volume 3 page 14.

    3. Al-Hafidh Haythami, declares all subnarrators thuqat in Majma'uz-Zawaid Vol 9 p 165.

     Regarding the hadith you say that I leave behind you The Holy Quran and my Sunnah cannot be true. Prophet (SAW) was fully aware that so many Sunnah would be added and inundated by fake hadith.   Obviously the Ahulul Bayt was the second rope to which Muslim ummah was asked to stay put.

    See how many fake hadith had been added and you Mughal know who did it.  But the problem with you and Basha is that you will believe more in Yazeed than in Ahulul Bayt.  Sorry, the Saudi school is exposed with the terror network and soon will be doomed

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • Whatever,  the answer from you is still awaited.Instead of answering my question you again quoted something out of context or should I say misquoted, "I left upon you two things of which you will never go astray after them: The Book of Allaah and my Sunnah. They will never be separated until they return to me at the Haud (the Pond)." [Saheeh Al-Jaami'] (Amir Moghul) The actual quote is “the book of Allah and my Ahley bait” not ‘sunnah’ as you have conveniently fitted to suit yourself’ I wonder why some people have been labeling you as a concoctor of religious material. [Humraz]

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    Dear Humraz Sahab,

    You and other must take back which you have said against Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] and read. May I ask did Hazrat Abu Huraira also concoct these Hadith:

    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying to Hasan: O Allah, behold, I love him. Thou too love him and love one who loves him.[Saheeh Muslim - The Book Pertaining to the Merits of the Companions (Allah Be Pleased With Them) of the Holy Prophet (May Peace Be Upon Him) (Kitab Al-Fada'il Al-Sahabah)]

    Abu Huraira reported: I went along with Allalh's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at a time during the day but he did not talk to me and I did not talk to him until he reached Bazar of Banfi Qainuqal. He came back to the tent of Fatima and said: Is the little chap (meaning Hasan) there? We were under the impression that his mother had detained him in order to bathe him and dress him and garland him with a sweet garland. Not much time had passed that he (Hasan) came running until both of them embraced each other, thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: O Allah, I love him; love him Thou and love one who loves him (Hasan). [Saheeh Muslim - The Book Pertaining to the Merits of the Companions (Allah Be Pleased With Them) of the Holy Prophet (May Peace Be Upon Him) (Kitab Al-Fada'il Al-Sahabah)]

    Dear Humraz Sahab,

    I believe in both the Hadiths Quran and Ahl Al Bayt and Quran and Sunnah. Chain of Narrations and Authenticity are as under:

    The hadith in question states that the Prophet said, upon him blessings and peace:

    “I have left among you two matters by holding fast to which, you shall never be misguided: the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.”

    This is narrated from Anas by:

    *Abu al-Shaykh in Tabaqat al-Muhaddithin fi Asbahan (4:67 §549);

    also from `Amr ibn `Awf by:

    *Ibn `Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhid (24:331);

    and also from Ibn `Abbâs by:

    *Ibn Nasr al-Marwazi (202-294) in al-Sunna (p. 25-26 §68)

    *al-Hakim in his Mustadrak (1:93=1990 ed. 1:171 §318) who declared that all its narrators are “agreed upon” meaning in the two books of Sahih

    *al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (10:114 §20108)

    *al-I`tiqad (p. 228) by Malik in his Muwatta’. Ibn `Abd al-Barr narrated its chain in al-Tamhid (24:331) and describes it as “so famous and widespread as a Prophetic report among the people of knowledge” that it can be treated as mass-transmitted (mahfuz, ma`ruf, mashhur `an al-Nabi salla Allahu `alayhi wa-Sallam thamma ahl al-`ilm shuhratan yakadu yustaghna biha `an al-isnad)

    *Ibn Hazm who declared it sahih in al-Ihkam (6:243=6:810) even though he is overly strict in his
    criterion for soundness as stated by Shaykh Ahmad al-Ghumari in his student `Abd Allah al-Talidi’s biographical notes, Darr al-Ghamam al-Raqiq.

    Another version states:

    “I have left among you two matters by holding fast to which, you shall never be misguided: the Book of Allah and my Sunna. And these two shall never part ways until they show up at the Pond.”

    Narrated from Abu Hurayra by:

    *Ibn Shahin in al-Targhib fil-Dhikr (2:406 §528) as stated by Ahmad al-Ghumari in al-Mudawi (3:482 §3923)

    *al-Hakim in the Mustadrak (1:93=1990 ed. 1:172 §319)

    *al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (10:114 §20109)

    *al-Daraqutni in his Sunan (4:245 §149)

    *Abu Bakr al-Shafi`i in the Ghaylaniyyat as stated by al-Suyuti in the Jami` al-Saghir (§3923)

    *al-Lalika’i in Sharh Usul I`tiqad Ahl al-Sunna (1:80)

    *al-Khatib in al-Jami` li-Akhlaq al-Rawi (1983 ed.1:111=1991 ed. 2:165-166 §89) and al-Faqih
    wal-Mutafaqqih (1:94)

    *Ibn `Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhid (24:331)

    *Ibn Hazm in al-Ihkam (6:243=6:810)

    *al-Suyuti declared it hasan in al-Jami` al-Saghir (§3923).

    Also narrated mursal from `Urwa as cited by:

    *al-Suyuti in Miftah al-Janna (p. 29 §35).

    Also narrated mursal through Ibn Ishaq from `Abd Allah ibn Abi Najih by:

    *al-Tabari in his Tarikh (2:205-206)

    *Ibn Hisham in his Sira (6:8-10).

    So there are chains through at least four different Companions corresponding to two versions which have in common the wording: “I have left among you two matters by holding fast to which, you shall never be misguided: the Book of Allah and the Sunna or my Sunna.”

    The fact that this wording in the Muwatta’ is enough proof that it is sahih, as further confirmed by Ibn `Abd al-barr’s remarks. Both these sources actually reflect that there is more to Hadith-grading than the mere documentation of chains of transmission.

    Imam al-Bukhari narrates over 200 hadiths from Ibn Abi Uways. Over 170 of those are hadiths Ibn Abi Uways narrates from his maternal uncle, Imam Malik. As for his father `Abd Allah Abu Uways, he is one of the narrators of the Sunan and Muslim also uses him in his Sahih. Ibn Hajar, Abu Hatim, and Ibn Ma`in all called him truthful (saduq).

    Al-Hakim followed up with another route because it came through another Companion, which strengthens the hadith. Nowhere does he declare the first hadith weak.

    Shaykh Abu al-Fadl Ahmad al-Ghumari in his book al-Mudawi li-`Ilal al-Munawi (3:482 §3923) supports the authenticity of this hadith and that his brother, Shaykh `Abd Allah ibn al-Siddiq al-Ghumari, Allah have mercy on both of them, included this hadith among the sound hadiths in his compilation of the sahih and hasan hadiths of Imam al-Suyuti’s al-Jami` al-Saghir which he titled al-Kanz al-Thamin fi Ahadith al-Nabi al-Amin salla Allahu `alayhi wa Sallam. And Allah knows best.

    The hadith in question (Quran and Sunnah) is not weak…(and it is narrated by) at least four different Companions …the other hadith (Quran and Ahl al-Bayt) is not mutawatir as I already said…the hadith is NOT mutawatir nor narrated by anywhere near even 10 Sahaba. [Therefore, a similar number of Companions narrated BOTH Hadith, with perhaps only a couple more narrating the Hadith of the Quran and Ahl al-Bayt.]

    First of all, the Hadith about the Quran and Ahl al-Bayt is not Mutawattir, nor is the Hadith about
    Quran and Sunnah considered Dhaeef (weak). Instead, both Hadith are of a very similar calibre. Secondly, we have not abandoned the Hadith about Quran and Ahl al-Bayt nor have we replaced it with the other Hadith. Instead, we believe in both Hadith; the Hadith about Quran and Sunnah was said by the Prophet in front of the larger gathering during his Farewell Sermon, and the Hadith about Quran and Ahl al-Bayt was said by the Prophet in front of the smaller gathering at Ghadir Khumm. This second Hadith was directed towards those of Medinah because it was they who would be tasked with the role of caring for the Prophet’s family after his death.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Janab amir moghul salaam

    I did not ask you to explain to me the meaning of kalma,  we both are way ahead of our Madarsa classes, I simply  asked you whether you are a Wahabi? In your haste to copy and paste you missed my unambiguous question or you may have deliberately avoided the answer, as most Wahabis do , ... don’t know what they are ashamed of? Whatever,  the answer from you is still awaited.Instead of answering my question you again quoted something out of context or should I say misquoted, "I left upon you two things of which you will never go astray after them: The Book of Allaah and my Sunnah. They will never be separated until they return to me at the Haud (the Pond)." [Saheeh Al-Jaami'] (Amir Moghul) The actual quote is “the book of Allah and my Ahley bait” not ‘sunnah’ as you have conveniently fitted to suit yourself’ I wonder why some people have been labeling you as a concoctor of religious material.

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    Dear Humraz Sahab,

    I dont believe in Sects and I have already made it very clear that I am a Muslim.

    True Muslims should be content with the name "Muslims given to them by Almighty Allah as He says:

    And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your father Abraham (is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture), that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor-due, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper! [AL-HAJJ (THE PILGRIMAGE) Chapter 22 - Verse 78]

    By the way you you must consult the Hadiths before opening your mouth because both the Hadiths i.e. Quran and Ahl Al Bayt and Quran and Sunnah are confirmed, verified and authentic and I believe in both. [I can quote the references with chain of narration]

    Janab Amir Moghul...salaam:in your hurry to reply, you missed my querry,  what  is your belief? where do you stand in all this? [Humraz]

    Dear Humrazz Sahab,

    To make myself more clear:

    1 - Idol Worshipping and Grave Worshipping amongst Muslims

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/idol-worshipping-and-grave-worshipping.html

    2 - Curse of Amulets and Charms amongst Muslims.

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/11/curse-of-amulets-and-charms-amongst.html

    3 - Makkah to Data Darbar Lahore [Sufi Shrine in Pakistan]

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/makkah-to-data-darbar-lahore-sufi.html

     

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



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    Janab amir moghul salaam

    I did not ask you to explain to me the meaning of kalma,  we both are way ahead of our Madarsa classes, I simply  asked you whether you are a Wahabi? In your haste to copy and paste you missed my unambiguous question or you may have deliberately avoided the answer, as most Wahabis do , ... don’t know what they are ashamed of? Whatever,  the answer from you is still awaited.

    Instead of answering my question you again quoted something out of context or should I say misquoted,

    "I left upon you two things of which you will never go astray after them: The Book of Allaah and my Sunnah. They will never be separated until they return to me at the Haud (the Pond)." [Saheeh Al-Jaami'] (Amir Moghul)

    The actual quote is “the book of Allah and my Ahley bait” not ‘sunnah’ as you have conveniently fitted to suit yourself’ I wonder why some people have been labeling you as a concoctor of religious material.

     

     

    By Humrazz -



  • Janab Amir Moghul...salaam:in your hurry to reply, you missed my querry,  what  is your belief? where do you stand in all this? [Humraz]

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    Dear Humraz Sahab,

    Regarding my belief:

    The Religion before Allah is Islam [AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN) Chapter 3 - Verse 19]

    And hold fast, all of you together, to the cable of Allah, and do not separate. [AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN) Chapter 3 - Verse 103]

    And be ye not as those who separated and disputed after the clear proofs had come unto them. For such there is an awful doom, [AL-E-IMRAN (THE FAMILY OF 'IMRAN, THE HOUSE OF 'IMRAN) Chapter 3 - Verse 105]

    And obey Allah and His messenger, and dispute not one with another lest ye falter and your strength depart from you; but be steadfast! Lo! Allah is with the steadfast. [AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY) Chapter 8 - Verse 46]

    Turning unto Him (only); and be careful of your duty unto Him and establish worship, and be not of those who ascribe partners (unto Him); Of those who split up their religion and became schismatics, each sect exulting in its tenets. [AL-ROOM (THE ROMANS, THE BYZANTINES) Chapter 30 - Verse 31 and 32]

    Lo! As for those who sunder their religion and become schismatics, no concern at all hast thou with them. Their case will go to Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do. [AL-ANAAM (CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) Chapter 6 - Verse 159]

    And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. [AL-HASHR (EXILE, BANISHMENT) Chapter 59 - Verse 7]

    O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 Verse 59]

    'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one norning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped hitn under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying) [Sahih Muslim]


    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said, upon him blessings and peace: I have left among you two matters by holding fast to which, you shall never be misguided: the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.


    [Ibn `Abd al-Barr in al-Tamhid, Ibn Nasr al-Marwazi in al-Sunna, al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra, Malik in his Muwatta, al-Daraqutni in his Sunan, Ibn Hazm in al-Ihkam, al-Suyuti declared it hasan in al-Jami` al-Saghir, al-Suyuti in Miftah al-Janna]


    Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] said : "Indeed those from before you from the People of the Book divided into seventy-two groups. And, indeed, this group (Muslims) will divide into seventy-three. Seventy-two groups will be in the Hellfire and one of them will be in Paradise. And it is the Jamaa'ah (group)." [Musnad Ahmed Bin Hanbal]

    The Messenger of Allaah said: "I counsel you to have Taqwaa of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences. So stick to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire." [Abu Dawood]

    And in another narration, he said: "Everyone of them in the Hellfire, except for one group that which I and my companions are upon." [Sunan At-Tirmidhee]

    Ibn Mas'ood said: "The Messenger of Allaah drew a line for us and then said: 'This is the Straight Path of Allaah.' And he drew lines on the left and right of it, and then said: 'These are paths of which there is not one except that there is a devil upon it calling towards it.' Then he recited the statements of Allaah [And (He commandeth you, saying): This is My Straight path, so follow it. Follow no other ways, lest ye be parted from his way. This hath He ordained for you, that ye may ward off evil [Surat-ul-Ana' aam 6:153- The Cattle 1:153]. 'And verily, this is My Straight Path, so follow it, and do not follow (other) paths for they will separate you away from His path." [Musnad Ahmad and An-Nasaa'ee].

    "I left upon you two things of which you will never go astray after them: The Book of Allaah and my Sunnah. They will never be separated until they return to me at the Haud (the Pond)." [Saheeh Al-Jaami']

    The Saved Sects revives the Sunnah of the Messenger in their act of worship, behavior and lifestyles. And due to this, they become strangers among their own people, as the Prophet has informed us would happen with his words: "Indeed Islam began as something strange and it will return to being strange as it began. So Toobaa is for the strangers." And in one narration, he said: "So Toobaa is for the strangers those who correct others when the people have become corrupt." [Muslim]

    "There will not cease to be a group from my ummah, dominant upon the truth. The ones who abandon them will not be able to harm them, until the decree of Allaah comes." [Muslim]

    The Messenger of Allaah said: "There will not cease to be a group from my ummah dominant upon the truth. Those who abandon them will not be able to harm them until the Decree of Allah comes." [Muslim]

    My beliefs and views on the differences amongst the Companions [May Allah be pleased with all of them] of the Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] is as under:

    Since all of them have passed away and are with Allah so it would be better for us to leave them and their affairs alone and even if we discuss them then we must discuss with utmost care and respect because Allah says:

    Those are a people who have passed away; theirs is that which they earned and yours that which ye earn. And ye will not be asked of what they used to do. [AL-BAQARA (THE COW) Chapter 2 - Verse 141]

    By Aamir Mughal -



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    Hi Jamsheed !!!

    Now I know three things about you (the other two I mentioned earlier) that you are a govt. employee who does not earn his salary by hard work and honesty (courtesy Ms Kaneez the investigative journalist eh!) all this while I took you to be some petty journalist who is struggling for recognition. Jamsheed you don’t get provoked by Ms kaneez and reiterate your faith time and again we all know that you are a Muslim though in darkness of Wahibiat. Please don’t feel bad about being a Julaha,  its something on which you do not have any control, you should worry more about your pathetic religious path which currently leads you straight to the Jahennum because of your enmity for the progeny of the Prophet pbuh’ which is proved time and again in your glorifying the enemies of the progeny of the Prophet pbuh and lastly I don’t really mind your being a Julaha ‘Ek saft me khade hain Mahmood-o-Ayaaz’ but I really send lanat on you and the likes of you , as I send lanat on Iblees as Ordained by Allah almighty.

    Nb:  Jamsheed, if you are a Wahabi  don’t be ashamed of it, accept it like a Man,  learn something from Ms kaneez, she has more guts than you when she said, she is Proud to be a Shiite.

     

    By SAF RIZVI' -



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    Wahabis are non Muslims, they follow the religion propogated by Ibn abdal wahab so don't thank anybody for your ignorrant existence Mr. basha even kafirs are better than your kind, for they do not disguise themselves as Muslims like you do.

     

    For the senile Jamshed Basha

    I always knew that you are a cheat and concocter of religious material but now,  I also know that people like you are a curse for my country too, you are a government employee in Erode/Chennai  but you spend all the time here on this site spreading garbage. Mr. Basha do you really earn your salary at the end of the day? No you don’t though you bloat all the time about your patriotism which is a lie like everything else that you vomit to prove your concocted stories and when I quote a book, the writing of which, is not to your liking, you cry foul and say the 'Memoirs of Abu Huraira' does not exist, well it does, and I promise you more enlightening revelations from the book about the foxes in Islam whom you Wahabis worship like Gods. Bahut kuch abhi baaki hai Wahabi Islam ke dusham! Also you are a drain on Govt. ex-chequer, for you do not earn your salary like a true Muslim. though you shout jai hind, jai hind all the time but you don't mean an iota of it when it comes to filling your fat belly (reminds me of Uthman the caliph who was a glutton with a huge fat belly).Jamshed Basha you can take everything that I have written very personally as you are an enemy of Ahlul bait-e-rasul and you  can consider me your enemy too.

     

    By MRS. SAYYEDA KANEEZ -



  • SAF Rizvi has come out  in support of non-existent books and quotes given extensively by Humrazz and others. Thank God, he called me a Wahhabi, did not say I am not a Muslim. If you think that my ideas and writing reflect wahhabi teachings, I cannot help it. But I am not a wahhabi. I stand for Allah and Sunnah and a muslim must follow both in letter and spirit. No one on earth is greater than Allah and His Prophet Mohammed PBUH. There is no place for cult figures or grave worshipping in Islam. Shirk is totally prohibited in Islam and Allah would forgive everything except Shirk. Muslims should beware and desist from equating anyone with Allah's 'zaat' and 'sifat'. It is said that one Sahabi Rasool is equal to seventy Aulia Karam. But when we do not seek their intecession with God or seek their help, where is the question of seeking help from Aulia Karam arises. Besides, these friends of Allah, never taught their disciples to equate them with Allah. Ignorant among the Muslims had created these rituals to satisfy themselves. All days are good and all time is good, have faith on Allah as every thing is "Minallah". All good comes from Allah and all bad comes from Satan. Beware of Iblis who is always with us to take us away from the righteous path and from the path of Allah.

    Prophet Mohammed PBUH had said that the greatest sin on earth was equating anyone with Allah, which is a shirk. Asking for any help or mercy through anyone is prohibited in Islam  as there is no space for intrcession or intermediaries. Any Muslim can directly communicate with Allah. It is reported that once when a Jew approached Prophet PBUH with a request to use his influence with Allah to get something done to him. Then Prophet warned him never to seek anybody's help to approach Allah, as Allah hears everything, whether you call him loudly or whishpers. Allah is as close to man as the jugular vein. Respecting Aulia Karam is one thing but seeking their intercession with Allah is totally prohibited. They can join you in prayer but they cannot recommend or seek Allah's help for someone, as is the general belief among the Muslims of sub-continent in particular.

    Allah has ordained to live in perfect harmony with other faithfs, "Lakum Deenukum Waliyadeen", but short of adopting their practices as an appeasement policy. There is no need for one to appease a Mushrik by participating in his rituals or adopting some of their beliefs like conducting 'Tazia Procession', conducting 'Urus', 'majlis' indulging in slander of Islamic greats, or venerating graves or decorating graves of the sufis and saints, laying chaddars on the graves, offering sweets as fathiha, lighting of scented sticks, throwing of flowers on the graves, asking for help from them are all prohibited in Islam.. These rituals came to us, barring the slander of Islamic greats which is the speciality of shiite religion, in inheritance as the forefathers of the Muslim population in Indian sub-continent were converts from other faiths. Even if there were there it was temporary and with time they should have been discarded.. But then when we adopted Islam, we must follow strictly its tenets both in letter and spirit.

    There is no God but Allah must be our Kalima. No one is worthy of being worshipped but Allah and Prophet Mohammed PBUH is the Rasool (Messenger) of Allah. We must offer prayers fives times a day, observe Ramadan fast, establish Zakat and perform Haj once in life time, do not disrespect elders especially age old parents, particularly when they are dependent, take care of their interest, talk to them inlower voice, respect Islamic greats, do not slander any one, do not spill innocent blood without a cause, are some of the simple but basic tenets of Islam, which one should dutifully follow, if we are to be called as Muslims. Other than this are biddat, not permissible in the religion. Our Prophet Mohammed PBUH was the last of the Prophets and there would not be anyone after him. Hazrat Ali Ra was the son in law of the Prophet PBUH, Hassan and Hussein RA were the grandsons of the Prophet PBUH. There is nothing called Imamat or continuation of prophethood in Islam. Ali was never been an Imam as made out by Shiite faith nor Hassan or Hussein were considered as Imams by any of the Ashabe Rasool PBUH who were alive then. All these were the later innovations (biddat) by the shiite faith nothing to do with Islam.

    As I said the above, I may sound a Wahhabi but I am not. I follow the religion as was passed on to us from Ashabe Rasool and what was preached and followed by our beloved Prophet Mohammed PBUH. The rest is shirk do not follow. Abhi Khissa bakhi hai mere dost.

     

    By A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India -



  •  

    For the senile Jamshed Basha

    I always knew that you are a cheat and concocter of religious material but now,  I also know that people like you are a curse for my country too, you are a government employee in Erode/Chennai  but you spend all the time here on this site spreading garbage. Mr. Basha do you really earn your salary at the end of the day? No you don’t though you bloat all the time about your patriotism which is a lie like everything else that you vomit to prove your concocted stories and when I quote a book, the writing of which, is not to your liking, you cry foul and say the 'Memoirs of Abu Huraira' does not exist, well it does, and I promise you more enlightening revelations from the book about the foxes in Islam whom you Wahabis worship like Gods. Bahut kuch abhi baaki hai Wahabi Islam ke dusham! Also you are a drain on Govt. ex-chequer, for you do not earn your salary like a true Muslim. though you shout jai hind, jai hind all the time but you don't mean an iota of it when it comes to filling your fat belly (reminds me of Uthman the caliph who was a glutton with a huge fat belly).Jamshed Basha you can take everything that I have written very personally as you are an enemy of Ahlul bait-e-rasul and you  can consider me your enemy too.

     

    By MRS. SAYYEDA KANEEZ -



  • I would like to draw your attention, that you are always talking about what others have rejected or accepted, without giving any hint as to what you follow. You are an analyst as per your own declaration in some of your earlier posts, but an analysis is complete only when you sum it up with a conclusion,  specially that of your own.[Humraz]

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    Dear Humrazz Sahab,

    My belief regarding these controversies is as under [and I am forcing nobody to adopt what I believe]

    Ahl Al-Bait, 'Ummahat Al-Mu'minin and As-Sahabah  (The Prophet's Family, The Prophet's Wives and the Companions of the Prophet) As-Sahabah (The Prophets Companions)

     

    Among the fundamentals of the people of the Sunnah and the community is purity of heart and tongue toward the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) just as Allah has described them:

     

    "Those who came after them ( the Sahabah ) say: 'Our Lord forgive us. Forgive our brethren who preceded us in faith. Purify our hearts of any rancor toward the believers. Our Lord, You are Gentle, Compassionate." (al-Hashr 59/l0)

     

    Obey the saying of the Prophet (peace be upon him):

     

    "Do not revile my companions. By (Allah) in Whose Hand my soul is!, if any one of you spends gold (piled up) like (mount) 'Uhud it will not equal a pint of any one of them, nor its half." (al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu-Dawud, at-Tirmidhi Ibn Majah, Ibn Hanbal)

     

    (The people of the Sunnah ) accept what the Qur'an, the Sunnah , and the consensus brought them of the Sahabah's virtues and high ranks; So they prefer those who spent (their wealth) and fought before the victory -which is the treaty of al-Hudaybiyah [1] - over those who spent and fought after it.

     

    They prefer the Muhajirun (Immigrants) over the Ansar (Helpers). They believe that Allah said to the people of Badr - they were over three hundred-: "Do whatever you wish, I have already forgiven you." ( Abu Dawud )

     

    And "they believe that no one who pledged allegiance to the Prophet (peace be upon him) under the tree 36 will enter Hell" ( Muslim ), as the Prophet (peace be upon him) had declared; but that Allah was pleased with them and they with Him - and they were more than one thousand and four hundred. They assign to Paradise whoever the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) assigned there such as the ten, and Thabit Ibn Qays Ibn Shammas , and others of amongst the Sahabah .

     

    They accept what has been reported continuously from the Prince of the Believers, ' Ali Ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him), and from others, that the best men of this ' Ummah after its Prophet are: Abu Bakr ; then ' Umar ; third, ' Uthman , and fourth, ' Ali Ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with them all). All Traditions have indicated, and all Sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them all) have agreed upon giving priority to ' Uthman out of regard for his allegiance ( al-Bai'ah ), although some of the people of the Sunnah are disputing over whether ' Uthman or ' Ali (may Allah be pleased with both of them) has the priority, after they (the people of the Sunnah ) had agreed upon giving priority to Abu Bakr and ' Umar . Some people gave the priority to ' Uthman and kept silent and considered ' Ali to be the fourth. However, some people preferred ' Ali . And some remained neutral. But the people of the Sunnah settled on preferring ' Uthman , even though this matter – the matter of ' Uthman and ' Ali - is not of the fundamentals. The majority of the people of the Sunnah do not consider disagreeing in this matter as being misled. Rather, it is in the matter of the "Question of the Caliphate" where they consider the disagreeing person to be misled. Ahl as-Sunnah believe that the Caliph after the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) is Abu Bakr ; then ' Umar ; then ' Uthman , then ' Ali , and that whoever contests the Caliphate of any one of these Imams is indeed more lost than an ass

     

    Ahl as-Sunnah should not deal with what happened between the Sahabah of the  disagreement, and they must say: Part of the Traditions which are narrated about their faults are untrue, and some of them added to or omitted from, or distorted; The part of them which is true, they are excused from, because either they expressed their personal opinion and were right, or they expressed their personal opinion and were wrong.

     

    Ahl as-Sunnah do not think that each of the Sahabah is infallible of committing grave sins or light sins, but that they are liable to commit general offenses. Nevertheless, to them belongs priority in accepting Islam and in doing good deeds which qualify them for forgiveness of what they may have committed, to the extent that their offenses are forgiven. The same offenses will not be forgiven of those who come after them because they ( as-Sahabah ) have a credit of good deeds which erase the bad deeds, a credit the generations after them do not have. It has been confirmed by the saying of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him):

     

    "That they are the best of all generations," (al-Bukhari and Muslim) and: "That the pint of charity any one of them might have given is better than a pile of gold the size of Mount 'Uhud if it is given by anyone who comes after them." (al-Bukhari and Muslim)

     

    Moreover, if anyone of them ( as-Sahabah ) committed any act of offense, without doubt he repented from it, or he did good deeds which wiped that offense from him, or he has been forgiven for the virtue of accepting Islam from its start or by intercession of Muhammad (peace be upon him) since they are deserving most his intercession, or a calamity inflicted upon him in this world which covered for that offense. But if this is the case in actual offenses, what about matters in which they were mujtahids (formulating independent decision in legal or theological matters)? If they were correct in their ijtihad they will receive double reward and if they missed they will receive one reward and the missing is forgiven for them.

     

    Furthermore, the objectionable amount of their deeds is negligible in comparison to their virtues, their merit is in belief in Allah and His Messenger, the jihad in His Path, the Hijrah (emigration) from Makkah to al-Madinah , the support for the Prophet and the faith, the valuable knowledge and the good deeds. Whoever studies the life of the  Sahabah objectively, with insight and with what Allah bestowed upon them of virtues, will no doubt discover that they are the best of all people after the Prophet (peace be upon him), that there never was and never will be their like and that indeed they are the choicest of the generations of the ' Ummah which is in itself the best of all nations and the most honorable in the eyes of Allah ,The Exalted.

     

    Ahl Al-Bait (The Prophets Family)

     

    Ahl as-Sunnah should love the Prophet's family, give them support, and honor the Prophet's will in regard to them, as he said at Ghadir al-Khum : "I ask you by Allah to take care of my family I ask you by Allah to take care of my family." ( Muslim )

     

    [The Prophet] (peace be upon him) said to his uncle al-Abbas when he complained to him that some men of Quraysh resent Banu Hashim (the Prophet's clan):

     

    "By (Allah) in Whose Hands my soul is! They will never be believers until they love you for the sake of my relationship to you." (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and others)

     

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

     

    "Indeed, Allah chose the sons of isma'il, and from them He chose Kinanah, and from Kinanah He chose Quraish, and from Quraish he chose Banu Hashim, and from Banu Hashim He chose me." (Reported by Muslim and Ibn Hanbal)

     

    'Ummahat Al-Mu'minin (The Prophets Wives)

     

    [ Ahl as-Sunnah ] should give support to the wives of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), the Mothers of the Believers, and they should believe that they will be his wives in the Hereafter, especially Khadijah (may Allah be pleased with her) the mother of most of his children, and the first person to believe in him and give him support, and he respected her very highly. And [ A'ishah ], as-Siddiqah , the daughter of [ Abu Bakr ] as-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with her and her father), of whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

     

    "A'ishah's superiority over women is like the superiority of ath-Tharid (a dish of sopped bread, meat and broth) over the rest of the food." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)

     

    [ Ahl as-Sunnah ] should forsake the Rawafid doctrine [Extremist Shias] , those who hate the Prophet's   Companions and revile them.

     

    They should forsake the Nawasib doctrine (those who harm the Prophet's Family verbally  or actually).

     

    Reference: 

     

    1 - In the year 628 C.E ., the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) led a band of believers to perform ' umrah (smaller pilgrimage) to Makkah , but the non-believers of Makkah prevented him and his followers from entering Makkah by blocking their way with a large army at a place called al-Hudaibiyah located nine miles out of Makkah . As a result, a war almost broke out between the two parties, but negotiations took place instead. The Prophet (peace be upon him) sent ' Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him) to Makkah to represent him at the negotiations, but he did not return for three days and rumors reached the Prophet and his followers that ' Uthman was killed by the Makkans . Although unprepared for battle, the Prophet could not leave the Makkans unpunished for their treacherous act. So, he assembled his followers and, standing under a large tree, they pledged allegiance to him to fight the Makkans . Therefore, Allah praised them in the Qur'an :

     

    "Lo! Those who swear allegiance unto you ( Muhammad ), swear allegiance only unto Allah. The Hand of Allah is above their hands..." (al-Fat-h 48/10) In the same chapter, verse 18, Allah expressed His pleasure with the believers who pledged allegiance to the Prophet (peace be upon him) under the tree in Hudaibiyah , He said : "Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance unto you beneath the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down peace of reassurance on them, and has rewarded them with a near victory."

     

    2 - Rawafid or Rafidah is one of the names given to the Shi'ah . Al-Ash'ari explains this

    denomination as those who rejected the caliphate of Aba Bakr and ' Umar.

     

    3 - Nawasib is a group of people who do not like 'Ali or his family; they are the counterpart of the Rawafid .

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Janab Amir Moghul...salaam The Prophet saww had only one daughter from Kadija Ra but the daughters you mentioned were from her earlier Husband, [Humraz]

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    Dear Humraz Sahab,

    Walaikum Assalam,

    I have mentioned the Sources [Shia Sources and I can quote Sunni Sources too and let me remind you that I have quoted Usool-e-Kaafi the most authentic Shia book which was presented to Imam Mahdi and he confirmed that Kaafi is sufficient for Shia] that Prophet Mohammad [PBUH] had daughters besides Hazrat Fatimah [May Allah be pleased with her] from Hazrat Khadeeja [May Allah be pleased with her], therefore I would request you to prove through Sources that Hazrat Fatimah [May Allah be pleased with her] was the only daughter of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH], please provide the reference.

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  

    Janab Amir Moghul...salaam

    The Prophet saww had only one daughter from Kadija Ra but the daughters you mentioned were from her earlier Husband, also I would like to draw your attention, that you are always talking about what others have rejected or accepted, without giving any hint as to what you follow. You are an analyst as per your own declaration in some of your earlier posts, but an analysis is complete only when you sum it up with a conclusion,  specially that of your own. Also I would seriously want to know your other favorite pastime in life,  of course, apart from spreading Fitna and hatred among various sects of Islam which is an inherent trait of every Pakistani of present day Pakistan.

    By Humrazz -



  • Bashir Syed

    What is this stupid term or philosophy called New Age Islam? ISLAM is for
    ALL TIMES!
    India suffered less violence than IRAQ not the opposite. The worldwide
    terror is wrought by the CRUSADERS headed by United States, UK and Israel.
    Did you know that U.S. now possesses control of more than 750 Bases
    throughout the world not only to wage wars but also use them for
    "Extra-ordinary Rendition." A new phenomenon or a new twist in conducting
    TORTURE quite contrary to the statements of George Bush and his cronies that
    U.S., does not participate in TORTURE.

    B. Syed

    (an Ansar, but Mohajir in USA).  

    By Bashir Syed -



  • Mughal saheb,

    Repeating again.  What have you to say about this.  I have quoted several other source in which Abu Huraira credentials have become suspect. And he admits that he was beaten by Caliph Umar (RA) on the back till he bled. 

    http://www.geocities.com/kkhaan/hurairah.html

    Your comments are awaited and also on the saudi wahabi regime [Faraz]

    ==============================

    Dear Faraz Sahab,

    I had asked for the Reference and you have quoted the website with text [no reference of Hadith, History and Biography is given in the text you quoted on Hazrat Abu Huraira (May Allah be pleased with him)]

    On Saudi Wahabi Regime:

    I have quoted a 14 Part Documentary of PBS Frontline on another Thread of the same forum on Saudi Arabia, kindly go through it. 

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  

    Hi Jamsheed !!!

     

    You do not understand this simple fact that it because of you, people have stooped down to almost abusing the SAHAB-E- IKRAM right or wrong concoction or truth comes later, the Azaab of all this slandering will be equally  shared by you because you started all this, as regard to the book that Mr/Ms  humrazz have quoted it  does exist and have been authenticated by many Wahabi Ulemas ,  I  have read the  quoted hadith, only the chapter is wrongly mentioned the actual chapter is 21.69 but I never quote such controversial things as it is not my style, nor do I derive any pleasure in spreading Fitna like your self and your friends. By the way Jamsheed your picture is sooo very boring, you really disappoint me after all that you have learned from me. Sometimes I really pity your off springs, for they have to bear with a parent like the greatest of all Ass****  Jamsheed Basha.

    Jamsheed I have come to know two things about you for sure, (1.) That you are JULAHA  (2.) That you are a WAHABI,  If you have any other degenerated attribute,  please feel free to Introduce, I am all ears as it amuses me always to learn new things about strange species.

    By SAF RIZVI' -



  • Date:     Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:26:52
    From:   Imran Hamid <imran@mdukmedia.com>
    To:   NewAgeIslam-Newsletter@newageislam.com
    Subject:   RE: Sad..Very Sad

    Having been born, educated and brought up in the UK, which I consider my home, Dr Zakir Naik is respected and knowledgable da’ee amongst many Muslim here. You free-thinking, liberalist modernists are the conspirators in our midst. Islamic precepts and understanding are derived from the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Prophet, if that makes us fundamentalists then so be it. We will let Allah (swt) judge between us in the Day of Resurrection, on whether our attempted observance of the code set by the Almighty made us fanatics and terrorists as you are so keen to comtinually point out or whether your flouting and mocking of those rules and faith made you an enlightened Muslim. Please take us of your pathetic circular.

    <www.muslimdirectory.co.uk

    By Imran Hamid -



  •  

    Hi Jamsheed !!!

     

    You do not understand this simple fact that it because of you, people have stooped down to almost abusing the SAHAB-E- IKRAM right or wrong concoction or truth comes later, the Azaab of all this slandering will be equally  shared by you because you started all this, as regard to the book that Mr/Ms  humrazz have quoted it  does exist and have been authenticated by many Wahabi Ulemas ,  I  have read the  quoted hadith, only the chapter is wrongly mentioned the actual chapter is 21.69 but I never quote such controversial things as it is not my style, nor do I derive any pleasure in spreading Fitna like your self and your friends. By the way Jamsheed your picture is sooo very boring, you really disappoint me after all that you have learned from me. Sometimes I really pity your off springs, for they have to bear with a parent like the greatest of all Ass****  Jamsheed Basha.

    Jamsheed I have come to know two things about you for sure, (1.) That you are JULAHA  (2.) That you are a WAHABI,  If you have any other degenerated attribute,  please feel free to Introduce, I am all ears as it amuses me always to learn new things about strange species.

    By SAF RIZVI' -



  •  

    Mughal saheb,

    Repeating again.  What have you to say about this.  I have quoted several other source in which Abu Huraira credentials have become suspect. And he admits that he was beaten by Caliph Umar (RA) on the back till he bled.  You are right Hunmrazz and that minor girl should reveal their sources so that the debate could go further.  I am yet to read your blah blha on the Missing.  I will soon build my courage to go through your post and revert to you.    For your disciple in India Jamsheed Basha dfrom Chennai who says   berate the achievments of such great Ashabe Rasool PBUH such as Abu Huraira RA , these sources should explain what is meant to say. Jamhseed, kissa abhi baki hai

     

    Your comments are awaited and also on the saudi wahabi regime

    It is reported that after Caliph Umar appointed Abu Huraira governor of Bahrain in 21 A.H. (643 C.E.), the people informed the Caliph that Abu Huraira had amassed great wealth and had purchased many horses. Umar therefore deposed him in 23 A.H. and summoned him to his court.
    As soon as Abu Huraira entered the court, the Caliph said:
    :''"O enemy of Allah and enemy of His Book! Have you stolen Allah's property?" He replied, "I never committed theft, but the people have given me gifts."''
    It is also reported that the Caliph said in the same instance:
    :''"When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much."''
    The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account of the Baitu'-Mal.tripatlas.com/Abu_Huraira

    When Abu Huraira arrived in Madinah, Umar questioned him about the way he acquired such a fortune. Abu Huraira replied "from breeding horses and gifts that I received". Umar then ordered him to hand his fortune over to the treasury of the Muslims. Abu Huraira did as he was ordered and raised his hands to the heavens and prayed "O Lord, forgive Amir ul-Muminin". After a while Umar called upon Abu Huraira and offered him to regain his position as the governor of Bahrain but Abu Huraira refused the offer. When he was asked by Umar why he refused his offer he replied "So that my honor would not be besmirched, and my wealth would not be taken and my back would not be beaten". He then added "I also fear to judge without knowledge and speak without wisdom".

    http://www.geocities.com/kkhaan/hurairah.html

    By Faraz Ahmad Haq -



  • Mr. Mughal, Assalam.

    You are right, there is no such book on Abu Huraira RA, quoted extensively by Kaneez. That is why I avoided answering her contents. This is also why I asked in my post as to from where she manufactured such a non-existence book. Joining in with her ignorance was Hamraz, quoting similar non-sense. They do not deserve any reply at all for such concoction. What is new with them and their religion. It is no surprise from them as they  had already concocted and manufactured so many stories on Karbala to project Hussein Ra as a cult figure. The history of Shiite religion itself is based on such distortion of history and mythology ending with the disappearance of 12th Imam, who is still communicating with the 'representative' shiites in Iran. Less said is better of them. Naturally, these grave worshippers would go to any extent to berate others in order to hoist their religion on a high pedestal. But Muslims are not so naive to understand the machinations of these believers in mythology, a no different from pre-Islamic Arabia.

    When there is no such book in existence, how can you expect them to reveal the source. May be both Kaneez and Humraz would have written it overnight and presented their part of story here. It is really a matter of concern and shame for them to stoop to such a low level to berate the achievments of such great Ashabe Rasool PBUH such as Abu Huraira RA and Umar Farooq RA.

    It is time for me to come out with the much awaited article on "Missing Mehdi" to expose them. It is becoming too much of them to tolerate. This expose would certainly rattle their faith. Abhi Khissa Bakhi hai mere dost.

    By A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India. -



  • Mr. Basha and Mr. Amir Moghul !!  a reply is still awaited for this..??  [Kaneez]

    Abu Jahel in chapter no. 39 . 66 memoirs of Abu Huraira [Hamraz]

    A similar hadith in chapter no. 31. 66  in Memoirs of Abu Huraira [Hamraz]

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    Dear Ms. Kaneez and Hamraz Sahab,

    There is no book by the name of Memoirs of Abu Huraira. Please provide the name of the books from where you are quoting the Hadith.

    Regards

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Hamraz,

    What you have quoted about Hazrat Abu Huraira and Umar Farooq RAA, is certinly not within my knowledge, depicting the greats in bad taste. I am totally unaware of such concocted stories which may have been  planted by people inimical towards them. Who else could plant such stories than the myth believers Shiites to defame both the greats of Islam. I hold both of them in high esteem and I cannot but condemn such stories attempted to denigrate them.
    Again another Shiite lady is pressing me for a reply on her own concocted story about the greats of Islam. I do not know from where she had manufactured such stories to belittle greats of Islam. I think Mr. Moghul has already answered it and there is no need for me to go into details, as Mr. Sultan Shaheen has hinted that we must maintain civility in the debate as the site is now more frequently visited by non-Muslims also due to the views expressed by liberal Muslims on patriotism, extremism and terrorism. Perhaps this site has generated more interest in them due to our writings. Let us keep them informed of our problems and the govt apathy towards the real problems facing the Muslim community. I join in Mr. Sultan Shaheen to appeal to all writers to  maintain decency in all our write ups while disagreeing with the views of other writers. Lets carry on the debate.
    I request all the readers who joined the debate not to resort to cut and paste but instead come out in your own language what is in your knowledge of Islam. Kindly understand that half-baked knowledge is too dangerous, "Neem Hakim Khatre Jaan".
    It is certainly not fair on the part of the Muslims to denigrate such great Ashabe Rasool PBUH who spent their life and wealth "Fee Sabi Lillah" meaning in the path of Allah for the cause of Islam. They were the pillars of Islam and because of their monumental sacrifices and unqualified support to the Prophet PBUH, Islam had spread far and wide as we live today to boast as the second biggest religion after christianity in the world comprising over 1.5 billion people spread all over the world. Enough is enough. Let's cry a halt to such stupidity.
    As for my views on Yazeed Ra, it would remain the same notwithstanding slanderous comments against him. Nevertheless, my love to the progeny of the Prophet PBUH would remain as high as ever. Our love to the Ahlul Bayat should not take us to the extreme of condemning others whose contribution to the development of Islam is as much important as the Ahalul Bayat themselves. Allah Himself would not have chosen ten great Ashabe Rasool under "Ashra Mubashira" giving tidings of heaven in their life time itslef. Then where is the sanity in claiming love to the Prophet PBUH and denigrating his great companions and rightly guided caliphs on the other. Are they not committing the gravest of the sins? It is still time left for them to seek Allah's mercy by sincerely apologising for all the slander committed against the great Ashabe Rasool PBUH and his beloved wives, the Ummul Momineen.
    Rest in next, Abhi Khissa bakhi hai mere dost.
    A.M.Jamsheed Basha, Chennai based columnist.

    By A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India -



  • Mr. Basha and Mr. Amir Moghul !!  a reply is still awaited for this..?? 

    12/28/2008 7:19:21 PM Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez

     

    Question For Mr. Jamshed Basha and Mr. Amir Moghul.. 

     Mr. Basha is it true,  as per ‘ Riwayet’ of  Abu Jahel in chapter no. 39 . 66 memoirs of Abu Huraira,  that Umer the caliph  was once caught for stealing camels besides various  small time crimes that he used to commit, then he converted to Islam to cheat the religion itself and escape the law,  just as so many criminals turn to politics these day  to escape clutches of the law? A similar hadith in chapter no. 31. 66  in Memoirs of Abu Huraira that Uthman the caliph used to Have sex in Ramadan just before Iftar and used to explain this sin of his as he prefers to have NAFSIATI  Iftar before actually eating anything? Now any of this is true then shame on them and their followers.

    By Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Mr. Jamshed Basha welcome back from your self imposed exile,  please answer to my question, which copy and paste for your convenience 

    Janab  Jamshed Basha  salam

    Since you say that you are a great in Islam and I have no doubt that you are,  would you please clarify this for the benefit of all Muslims here on newageIslam,  Abu huraira  Ra writes in his ‘Memoirs of Abu Huraira’  chapter no. 17. Page no.3  that once Omar  farook Ra during the khilafat of Abu baker  Ra was having sex with his slave girl and accidently Muawia Ra walked in,  at first he was astonished,  but then chided that all Muslims should share the good things in life with their fellow Muslims, Umer farooq  Ra replied smiling that O' Muawia the same is Applicable on you too, next time you do not usurp the 'Maal-e-ghaneemat' alone and share it with me too. I have read somewhere that Muawia ra was a womaniser, but  something like this, about Omar ra does not gel though he was a petty criminal before he converted to Islam since it is written by none other than the great Abu Huraira ra I am left with no choice but to believe it to be hundred percent true.

    By Humrazz -



  • Dear Mr. Maheshwari Suresh,

     

    Thanks very much indeed for your kind words. It is my information that Mr. Amreesh Mishra is a Kanyakubj Brahmin, which I understand is a high sub-caste among Brahmins. I do not really understand the complex caste system with its more than 4,500 categories; so if I have made a mistake, do please let me know.

     

    It is my understanding and probably also that of other writers and commentators on the site that most of our readers are Muslims. So the articles and commentaries are written from that basic premise, but as we are now finding out a lot of our readers are non-Muslims too, I would request all writers and commentators to try and explain the Islamic terminology applied wherever possible. We should try and include participants from all backgrounds in our discussions and debates.

     

    Also, the fact that NewAgeIslam.com is introducing some people to Islam and Muslim thoughts perhaps for the first time, it is all the more necessary that we keep our discussions within the bounds of decency. Some of us do allow our emotions of the moment to overwhelm us. With a little imagination we can express even our strongest emotions within the bounds of civilised language.  Let us try and not defame our community any more than it already is in the eyes of so many of our brothers and sisters from other faiths.

     

    Sultan Shahin

    By Sultan Shahin -



  •   Maheshwari Suresh <maheshsuresh38@rediffmail.com>
    To:   Editor@newageislam.com
    Subject:   Re: Unity among Muslims and Dr. Zakir Naikâ Evil: A P

    Dear Mr. Sultan Shahin

    Your views are really mindboggling and I must comliment you for your liberal approach. I would like to know in what sense you have used Kanyakubj Brahmin for Amreesh . Secondly, I have read some of Dr Jakirr Naik's writings .He talks absurd things with a very powerful but manufactured logic in support of his arguments. Thirdly, most of your readers are Hindus.Therefore, we expect you to  give English meanings of of the Arabic words which u so frequently use.

    SURESH MAHESHWARI

    By Maheshwari Suresh -



  • But out of sheer conspiracy hatched by the jew-munafiq Abdullah Ibne Sabha, who turned to Ali Ra to create a fissure in the great religion. Jamsheed Basha

     

     

    Basha, what great stupidity and Wahabi propaganda you follow,  I agree with Faraz Saheb that senility has caught up with you by the sheer use of these words.  At one time you condemn the Saudi regime and then you follow their ideology.  Saqifa is as much a reality as other events of Islam.  But what to say about you a man who thinks that Yazeed (LA) May Allah curse be on him and those who follow him were democratically elected caliph.  One can just laugh at you.

    Barring the election of Hazrat Ali, the other entire three caliphs were placed on their seat by means other than democracy.  Muawiya imposed himself on the caliphate and straight away nominated his son Yazeed (LA).  Your sense of history was wrong as Yazeed, three wretch man and May Allah Curse be on him died at a young age in late thirty’s and not old as you say.  Within three and half years after the tragic battle of Karbala, this monster and the most hated man on the earth died.

    I would like to tell Mr. Tashoo that Yazid was not buried in Jannatul Baqi noir was his father Muawiya.  There is no trace of that malaoon grave and it is believed it lies somewhere below the biggest bakery in Damascus on which is a huge oven.  See Basha your Yazeed is consigned to flame in this world and thereafter too.

    If you believed in our Prophet (SAW), his statement Husain um minni ala minal Husain is sufficient to rever him, to pay our obeisance to him, to love him and to die for him.   But this is for us who love Ahlul Bayt and not for someone whose mind is polluted and whose thinking is blurred so he dwells in Hell.

    Islam ke daman me bas iske siwa kya hai

    Ek zarbe Yadhullahi aur ek sajjade shabbiri.

     

    Basha, death approaches everyone, please atone your sins and joins us in the exquisite club of lovers of Ahlul Bayt and followers of Imam Husain.  If not you are doomed

     

    By MERAJ ZIA -



  • But out of sheer conspiracy hatched by the jew-munafiq Abdullah Ibne Sabha, who turned to Ali Ra to create a fissure in the great religion. Jamsheed Basha

     

     

    Basha, what great stupidity and Wahabi propaganda you follow,  I agree with Faraz Saheb that senility has caught up with you by the sheer use of these words.  At one time you condemn the Saudi regime and then you follow their ideology.  Saqifa is as much a reality as other events of Islam.  But what to say about you a man who thinks that Yazeed (LA) May Allah curse be on him and those who follow him were democratically elected caliph.  One can just laugh at you.

    Barring the election of Hazrat Ali, the other entire three caliphs were placed on their seat by means other than democracy.  Muawiya imposed himself on the caliphate and straight away nominated his son Yazeed (LA).  Your sense of history was wrong as Yazeed, three wretch man and May Allah Curse be on him died at a young age in late thirty’s and not old as you say.  Within three and half years after the tragic battle of Karbala, this monster and the most hated man on the earth died.

    I would like to tell Mr. Tashoo that Yazid was not buried in Jannatul Baqi noir was his father Muawiya.  There is no trace of that malaoon grave and it is believed it lies somewhere below the biggest bakery in Damascus on which is a huge oven.  See Basha your Yazeed is consigned to flame in this world and thereafter too.

    If you believed in our Prophet (SAW), his statement Husain um minni ala minal Husain is sufficient to rever him, to pay our obeisance to him, to love him and to die for him.   But this is for us who love Ahlul Bayt and not for someone whose mind is polluted and whose thinking is blurred so he dwells in Hell.

    Islam ke daman me bas iske siwa kya hai

    Ek zarbe Yadhullahi aur ek sajjade shabbiri.

     

    Basha, death approaches everyone, please atone your sins and joins us in the exquisite club of lovers of Ahlul Bayt and followers of Imam Husain.  If not you are doomed

     

    By MERAJ ZIA -



  • Amir Mughal,

    What had Ansari post to do with Khomeini?  Do you support Rushdie satanic verses or oppose his views.  Do you agree that Satanic verses was to rhyme with our _____ Verses.  Even then you criticise Khomeini

    Why do you keep silent on Saudi.  You quote Khomeini book on the graves of our two Holy caliphs (RA), but what did the Saudi do with the graves of our third caliph (RA) and Ummul Momineen.  What do you have to say about the two sets of law that Saudi, supposed to be the custodian of two holy Mosques have in their land contradicting the teachings of Islam.  Saudi also have two laws for the Americans and one for their native.  Why do you keep silent? 

     Misha'al bint Fahd al Saud

    Known simply as Princess Misha of Saudi Arabia, little else is publicly known about the life of this young member of the royal Saudi family. But the tragic circumstances of her death became a widely-known scandal that was immortalized in the 1980 documentary film "Death of a Princess".

    Misha was executed on the orders of her grandfather to preserve the family honor because she ran off to elope with her lover whom was considered to be an unsuitable husband for her. The young princess had fallen in love with a common man outside of the royal family and had been told that her marriage was arranged that would bind her to a much older man whom she had never met. Understandably distraught, Misha attempted to fake her own death by planting evidence to suggest she had drowned in the sea, and then disguised herself as a man in order to make her way out of the country.

    After marrying in secret, she and her husband were arrested as they attempted to board a plane to leave Saudi Arabia. While the religious court and even the King himself refused to condemn the princess on the grounds that she had married her lover and therefore the law regarding adultery had not been broken, Misha's grandfather was adamant about restoring the honor that he believed she had tarnished.

    In 1977, the young princess, along with her husband, were dragged to the traditional execution location where Misha was shot. Her husband was then beheaded by men in her grandfather's employ.

    By FARAZ AHMAD Haq -



  • Amir Mughal,

    What had Ansari post to do with Khomeini?  Do you support Rushdie satanic verses or oppose his views.  Do you agree that Satanic verses was to rhyme with our _____ Verses.  Even then you criticise Khomeini

    Why do you keep silent on Saudi.  You quote Khomeini book on the graves of our two Holy caliphs (RA), but what did the Saudi do with the graves of our third caliph (RA) and Ummul Momineen.  What do you have to say about the two sets of law that Saudi, supposed to be the custodian of two holy Mosques have in their land contradicting the teachings of Islam.  Saudi also have two laws for the Americans and one for their native.  Why do you keep silent? 

     Misha'al bint Fahd al Saud

    Known simply as Princess Misha of Saudi Arabia, little else is publicly known about the life of this young member of the royal Saudi family. But the tragic circumstances of her death became a widely-known scandal that was immortalized in the 1980 documentary film "Death of a Princess".

    Misha was executed on the orders of her grandfather to preserve the family honor because she ran off to elope with her lover whom was considered to be an unsuitable husband for her. The young princess had fallen in love with a common man outside of the royal family and had been told that her marriage was arranged that would bind her to a much older man whom she had never met. Understandably distraught, Misha attempted to fake her own death by planting evidence to suggest she had drowned in the sea, and then disguised herself as a man in order to make her way out of the country.

    After marrying in secret, she and her husband were arrested as they attempted to board a plane to leave Saudi Arabia. While the religious court and even the King himself refused to condemn the princess on the grounds that she had married her lover and therefore the law regarding adultery had not been broken, Misha's grandfather was adamant about restoring the honor that he believed she had tarnished.

    In 1977, the young princess, along with her husband, were dragged to the traditional execution location where Misha was shot. Her husband was then beheaded by men in her grandfather's employ.

    By FARAZ AHMAD Haq -



  • Mughal saheb,

    Some more lest you say this reflects one points of view

     

    It is reported that after Caliph Umar appointed Abu Huraira governor of Bahrain in 21 A.H. (643 C.E.), the people informed the Caliph that Abu Huraira had amassed great wealth and had purchased many horses. Umar therefore deposed him in 23 A.H. and summoned him to his court.
    As soon as Abu Huraira entered the court, the Caliph said:
    :''"O enemy of Allah and enemy of His Book! Have you stolen Allah's property?" He replied, "I never committed theft, but the people have given me gifts."''
    It is also reported that the Caliph said in the same instance:
    :''"When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much."''
    The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account of the Baitu'-Mal.tripatlas.com/Abu_Huraira

    When Abu Huraira arrived in Madinah, Umar questioned him about the way he acquired such a fortune. Abu Huraira replied "from breeding horses and gifts that I received". Umar then ordered him to hand his fortune over to the treasury of the Muslims. Abu Huraira did as he was ordered and raised his hands to the heavens and prayed "O Lord, forgive Amir ul-Muminin". After a while Umar called upon Abu Huraira and offered him to regain his position as the governor of Bahrain but Abu Huraira refused the offer. When he was asked by Umar why he refused his offer he replied "So that my honor would not be besmirched, and my wealth would not be taken and my back would not be beaten". He then added "I also fear to judge without knowledge and speak without wisdom".

    http://www.geocities.com/kkhaan/hurairah.html

    By FARAZ AHMAD -



  • This is response to all the queries raised by the readers during my absence from the web site due to personal engagement. I opened it today to find so many people asking too many questions regarding my write ups. Inshallah I will answer them all.
    First and foremost I must appreciate the new entrant to the debate Mr. Mohammed Nahid Ansar for his decent write up not bordering on absurdity like others do. Nevertheless, all deserved a decent and civilized reply, as the ignorant among the Muslims need to be educated about the real status of the Ashabe Rasool PBUH and what love of progeny means to every one. My only regret is none of them have read my posts completely. But thanks to Mr. Amir Mughal, he clarified some of the points to them about Hazrat Abu Huraira.
    Tashoo, while praising my style of writing, failed to enlighten the readers about the real contribution made by Imam Hussein Ra during his life time to the cause of Islam. There was none except for the fact that he was the grandson of Prophet Mohammed PBUH. On the spiritual side too, while there were several quotes from other Ashabe Rasool, hardly there is any hadit sourced from him. It is understandable that he was too young when our Prophet PBUH died. But then to project him in a larger than his life size, is something not agreeable. One's love to progency apart, one must be duty bound to present the facts and not concocted stories to paint him as a cult figure, which is travesty of justice.
    It was no comparison when I said that there were more victories and achievements to the credit of Yazeed Ra than to Imam Hassan or Imam Hussain RA. It is because, both were overshadowed by the presence of their father Ali Ra. Ali Ra was no doubt was the son-in-law of the Prophet PBUH and that qualification itself would not make him eligible to succeed the Prophet PBUH to the caliphate. But out of sheer conpiracy hatched by the jew-munafiq Abdullah Ibne Sabha, who turned to Ali Ra to create a fissure in the great religion. He did succeed in creating a faction and following that ultimately led to the great divide.
    What was Ali's contribution to the cause of Islam? He was poor but a marvellour warrior. He fought many a battle single handedly and always on the side of the Prophet PBUH. People respected him for his valour, piety and feared him for his personality. Even during his life time, he was loved and respected by many a Sahabi Rasool not because he was the son in law of the Prophet PBUH but because of his aforementioned qualities. But when the question of contribution to Islam for Jihad came, he had nothing to contribute, understandbly being poor but to present himself for the cause of Islam. No Muslim could ignore this. Besides, after marrying Bibi Fathima, he had to labour hard as a water carrier through out the day to feed his family. Never in his life he had ever misused his association with the Prophet Mohammed PBUH to enrich himself, while Bibi Fathima used to attend to all her daily chores by herself besides rearing of the children. Compared to today's offsprings of the Presidents and PMs, these greats of Islam lived in utter poverty and died as such. Their examples are shining even today, to make all Muslims proud. Allah undoubtedly rated Ali Ra high and declared him among others in "Ashra Mubashira" as Jannati in his life time. Bibi Fathima Ra who died earlier was already given the tidings of a Jannati by Prophet PBUH. Imam Hassan and Imam Hussein were the beloved grand sons of our Prophet PBUH and we all love them. But Ali Ra had other children too, why they are not given importance by shiites? Ali Ra had named his three other children after the great first three caliphs in the descending order, Abu Bakr bne Ali, Umar ibne Ali, and Usman ibne Ali, to set at rest any misgiving about his relationship with the first three caliphs. But his followers presented to the world a different picture.
    Ali RA, apart from his above qualities was human too. He erred in his assessment of the situation and accepted the caliphate, though he deserved, without actually going in for "Qassas" against the killers of the Third Caliph Usman RA. That was his monumental mistake and reason for the internecine conflict that followed which ultimately led to his death. Though Hassan Ra was a sobre man and more diplomatic in his approach, never ever aspired for the temporal gains. He was piouos till death. On the other hand, Imam Hussein too was pious but was carried away by the false representation of the events by the Kufans that led to his untimely death. This was the most unfortunate part of history.
    As for my support to Yazid Rahmatullahi Alaihi, it did not mean I am following him and there was nothing to follow either.. Except the fact that Yazeed Ra being the Khalifa, his contribution to the spiritual side of Islam are not plenty to be mentioned. In history, we make some leaders hero and some villain. This has what had happened with Hussein Ra and Yazeed Ra. One was made a Hero while the other was made to believe as a villain. Both were far from the truth of history. Hussein had not lived much to contribute to the cause of Islam while Yazeed lived to give strength to the Islamic rule with expansion and good administration.
    I thought Tashoo is decent from his earlier post but he too indulged in personal slander which is unbecoming of a Muslim perhaps following the foot steps of other slanderous elements like Kaneez, Rizvi and Barelvi. But the only silver lining in the debate being Faraz Ahmed's words of advice for restoring civility to the debate. If this restored we can continue to debate on the vital issues concerning Islam rather than harping on who should have become first khalifa and who usurped it sitting here after the passage of 1400 years in history.
    As for Dr. Zakir Naik is concerned, I too  heard that he has been charging heavy for admission to the schools run by his trust. But then, our radical elements are too crazy to go to him for guidance. Here only the rich among the Muslims could afford such luxury. In any case, he is not doing any service to the Muslim community with such costly education. If you read my posts on him, one will find that I never been his follower but only defended his right to say what he felt right. My relationship with him ends with that note. I always feel that we must be tolerant in the society. When we could tolerate a lunatic Khomeni and satanic Salman Rushdie, we can also tolerate a radical like Naik. Where is the need for us to make a hero out of him. Remember, the more we talk about him, the more we make him popular. See what happened to Antualy recently. He was out of mind for a long time, but his one inadvertent statement made him a hero over night because of ignoring his statement and BJP was responsible which blown out of proportion to make him the talk of the town.
    It is quite unfortunate that M.Nathir could turn to shiite religion. It should have been the otherway around. If Shiite religion is true as they claim to be that Islam was saved by the event in Karbala, they should form 90% of the population and not 10% of it as they stand today.
    Khomeni made no secret of his enemity of the first three caliphs but surprisingly he was the friend of another radical Moududi. For his slanderous utterances, a fatwa should have been issued against Khomeni in the same way he has issued a fatwa against Salman Rushdie. He deserved to be condemned in history for his claim to be the 'representative' of the 'Hidden' Imam for amassing wealth from the unwary shiite community. But still these shiites have not realised their folly in following such a person. It is their fate.
    May be all the questions raised by Nahid were satisfactorily answered by Amir Mughal and I would add anything more if desired by him. Abhi Khissa bakhi hai mere dost.

    A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai.

    By A.M.JAMSHEED BASHA, CHENNAI, INDIA -



  • Amir Mughal saheb,

    I had mentioned these events in my earlier posts.  Hazrat Umar (RA) also says this about Abu Huraira

     

    Ibn Athir and Ibn Abi'l-Hadid in his Sharhe-Nahju'l-Balagha, Volume III, page 104 (printed in Egypt), and several others have reported that after Caliph Umar appointed Abu Huraira governor of Bahrain in 21 A.H., the people informed the Caliph that Abu Huraira had amassed great wealth and had purchased many horses. Umar therefore deposed him in 23 A.H. As soon as Abu Huraira entered the court, the Caliph said: "O enemy of Allah and enemy of His Book! Have you stolen Allah's

    property?" He replied, "I never committed theft, but the people have given me gifts." Ibn Sa'ad in Tabaqat, Volume IV, page 90, Ibn Hajar Asqalani in Isaba, and Ibn Abd-e-Rabbih in Iqdu'l-Farid, Volume I, write that the Caliph said: "'When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much.' The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account of the Baitu'-Mal."

    This was not the first time that Umar beat Abu Huraira. Muslim writes in his Sahih, Volume I, page 34, that during the time of the Prophet, Umar Bin Khattab beat Abu Huraira so severely that the latter fell down on the ground. Ibn Abi'l-Hadid writes in his commentary on Nahju'l-Balagha, Volume I, page 360: "Abu Ja'far Asqalani has said: 'According to our great men, Abu Huraira was a wicked fellow. The hadith narrated by him were not acceptable. Umar beat him with a lash and told him that he had changed hadith and had attributed false sayings to the Holy Prophet.'" Ibn Asakir in his Ta'rikh Kabir and Muttaqi in his Kanzu'l-Umma report that Caliph Umar lashed him, rebuked him, and forbade him to narrate hadith from the Holy Prophet. Umar said: "Because you narrate hadith in large numbers from the Holy Prophet, you are fit only for attributing lies to him.. http://www.al-islam.org/peshawar/5.3.html

    When Abu Huraira arrived in Madinah, Umar questioned him about the way he acquired such a fortune. Abu Huraira replied "from breeding horses and gifts that I received" . Umar then ordered him to hand his fortune over to the treasury of the Muslims. Abu Huraira did as he was ordered and raised his hands to the heavens and prayed "O Lord, forgive Amir ul-Muminin" . After a while Umar called upon Abu Huraira and offered him to regain his position as the governor of Bahrain but Abu Huraira refused the offer. When he was asked by Umar why he refused his offer he replied "So that my honor would not be besmirched, and my wealth would not be taken and my back would not be beaten" . He then added "I also fear to judge without knowledge and speak without wisdom".

    www.quraan.com/index.aspx?&tabid=35&artid=65 

    By faraz ahmad -



  •  I appreciate and endorse the comments from Nahid Ansari and must thank him for enlightening the readers about the evil deeds of Zakir Naik. I wonder if Basha would have anything to say to the questions raised by him. Aamir Mughal has as usual responded with his much resented cut and paste act. He needs to perhaps take some tips from Basha on the art of writing, although most of what Basha writes is self-adulation and based on his love for Yazid and hatred for Prophet and his family, specifically Imam Husain A.S. as according to Basha Imam Husain A.S. has hardly made any contribution to the cause of Islam as compared to Yazid LA who was a democratically elected Caliph and a great commander.

    Basha is an ill-read man who seems to have read more books in praise Yazid LA than on the hadiths of the Prophet. For if he had he would have known that there are several hadiths from the Prophet relating to Imam Husain A.S. one of them being 'Husaino Minni Wa Anaminal Husain'  (Husain is from me and I am from Husain). While one can understand what 'Husain is from me' means, the second part of the saying 'I am from Husain' which refers to Imam Husain's revolt against Yazid RA and the victory of Haq over Batil and means that the Prophet and his religion would be remembered through the sacrifices of Imam Husian A.S. and depicts the status of Imam Husain A.S. in the eyes of the Prophet who Basha believes travelled to Karbala because of his wordly desires and political ambitions.

    And he dares to call himself a Muslim and a follower of Prophet. What a joke. No Basha you don't follow the Prophet. You follow Yazid, who will be your companian in hell-fire. And you will surely enjoy his company for he was fond of men. By the way did you go and pay homage at Yazid's grave when you visited Saudi Arabia. Or have the Saudis demolished Yazid's grave too, along with that of the third Caliph. Never mind, your great warrior and commander and democratically elected Caliph who fought many wars, lives in your heart and his blood flows in your veins. Your ancestoral women folks must have been a victim of his womanising adventures. Abhi picture Baaqi Hai Yazid ki Aulad.

    By TASHOO -



  • Can you justify the act of Khalifa-1 with the help of Qoran and Sunnah of Rasool (P.B.U.H.) for declaring Muslim Tribals as Murtad for the crime they refused to recognize him as Khalifa and refused to pay him Zakat? [Mohammed Nahid Ansari]

    =============================

    Dear Ansari,

    How would you explain this decree?

    "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Koran, and all involved in its publication who were aware of its content, are sentenced to death."Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini FATWA issued February, 1989 against Salman Rushdie

    Quotes from just after the Islamic Revolution in 1979:

    "The mullahs are going to rule now. We are going to have ten thousand years of the Islamic republic. The Marxists are going to go on with their Lenin. We are going to go on in the way of Khomeini."
    Ayatollah Khalkhali

    "What he [Stalin] did in Russia we have to do in Iran. We, too, have to do a lot of killing. A lot." Behzad, Iranian interpreter for Western journalist V.S. Naipaul

    "There is no room for play in Islam... It is deadly serious about everything." Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
    Speech at Qum, reported in Timemagazine January 7, 1980

    "Khomeini has offered us the opportunity to regain our frail religion... faith in the power of words."
    Norman Mailer, at a meeting of authors ragarding the fatwa,
    New York City, February 1989

    Ayatollah revives the death fatwa on Salman Rushdie

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article414681.ece

    A FATWA against the author Salman Rushdie was reaffirmed by Iran’s spiritual leader last night in a message to Muslim pilgrims.  British officials anxiously played down comments after Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, told Muslims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Rushdie was an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam, according to the Iranian media.

    Despite of the services rendered by Salman Rushdie for India and very recently too!

    Pakistan World Center of Terrorism, Says Rushdie

    http://www.indiajournal.com/pages/event.php?id=5479

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Everyone knows what sort of narrator was Abu Huraira. There is a narration in Shahih Muslims that Hazrat Umar (RA) bashed him up for concocting hadith and this happened several times. [Faraz]

    ====================

    Dear Faraz Sahab,

    Reference please..and if you object on Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] then please be careful becasue Hazrat Abu Huraira [May allah be pleased with him] also narrated these Hadiths:

    Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] had also narrated two very important Hadiths which Shia often quote 1 - Hadith Thaqalain [Two Weighty Things - Quran and Ahl Al Bayt] 2 - Ghadeer Khum. I wonder did Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] concoct [God Forbid] these Hadith as well.

    References:

    Subject: Narrators of Hadith-e-Thaqalain

    14. Abu Hurayrah, `Abd al­Rahman ibn Sakhr (d. 59/679).

    Abu Bakr al­ Bazzaz,

    Shams al­ Din al­ Sakhawi,

    Jalal al­ Din al­ Suyuti,

    Ahmad ibn al­ Fadl ibn Ba Kathir,

    Nur al­Din al­ Samhudi,

    Mahmud ibn Muhammad al­ Shaykhani al­ Qadiri.

    Subject: Narrator of Ghadeer Khum:

    Haafiz Abu Bakr Khateeb Baghdadi has narrated this tradition from Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] in his book of history.

     

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Does Islam permit to kill a Muslim if he converts to any other religion? Can you justify the act of Khalifa-1 with the help of Qoran and Sunnah of Rasool (P.B.U.H.) for declaring Muslim Tribals as Murtad for the crime they refused to recognize him as Khalifa and refused to pay him Zakat?[Mohammed Nahid Ansari]

    Dear Ansari Sahab,

    Would you like to tell us all as to why the Iranian Government issued fatwa of death against Salman Rushdie?

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Humrazz and Sayeeda Kaneez 

    Debates are welcome and exchange of views too. There has to be some elements of decency and decorum and using of languages which are not sober should be refrained.

    Everyone knows what sort of narrator was Abu Huraira.  There is a narration in Shahih Muslims that Hazrat Umar (RA) bashed him up for concocting hadith and this happened several times.  In retaliation he came up with the story which you both have mentioned. The only problem is that people like Amir Mughal and his disciple in India Jamsheed Basha rely too much on these Hadiths. This is the tragedy which lunatic people like Zakir Naik also encashes.

     

    I am happy that one Nahid Ansari wrote about Yazeed and why Naik used his name to justify in effect defaming and disuniting Muslims.

    Because of these wrong hadiths, the Sunni society of ours has always been subservient to the ruling dispensation and only the Shias have been able to bring revolution from Kerbala to Iran.  This blame must go to Muawaiya, the industrialist of hadith manufacturing and the irony that we follow him rather the guided caliphs even. And Basha follows yazeed, perhaps the only one

     

    Basha your silence is damning.  Ab Kissa khatam ho Gaya Bhai

     

    By FARAZ AHMAD -



  • Question 1: Does Islam permit to kill a person if he refuses to pay Zakat/Tax?

    Question 2: Does Islam permit to kill a Muslim if he converts to any other religion?

    Question 3: Can you justify the act of Khalifa-1 with the help of Qoran and Sunnah of Rasool (P.B.U.H.) for declaring Muslim Tribals as Murtad for the crime they refused to recognize him as Khalifa and refused to pay him Zakat? [Mohammed Nahid Ansari]

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    Dear Ansari Sahab,

    This may help:

    The Penal Law of Islam by Javed Ahmad Ghamidi

    http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/content.aspx?id=683

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Dear Jamsheed Basha Bhai,

     

    After reading article of Dr. Moulana Abbas Naqvi Sb and comments by various people, especially Mr. Jamsheed Basha, I am not surprised but got deeply disturbed by the way we react to each others.

    Well, Jamsheed Bhai, I am not surprised by your comment as I also came from same fraternity, who believe and think exactly same like you about Islam. But I now Alhamdullah follow and practices Shiaism way of Islam, but you may address me as Sunni as well. Similarly Mohammed (P.B.U.H.) was born in UMMIEN/Jahileen but was not actually Ummi/Jahil but still He (P.B.U.H.) was addressed as UMMI because of fraternity he belongs.

    I am full time Engineering Consultant by profession, not an Islamic scholar or critic writer like you but Alhamdullah have studied enough to understand actual Islam.

    Since I am based in Mumbai, I have many friends who are associated with Dr. Zakir Naik and know a lot about his actual personality and the way he has cheated some of his Peace T.V. collogue and miss using Funds, which were sent to India for the help of Poor Muslims. He is running a school in Mumbai and charging very hefty fees from the students whereas all the expanses to run this school are donated by some Saudi donors. For your information, he also issue Fatwa by himself. Anyway I am not here to discuss on Dr. Zakir Naik as enough has been commented already by other reader.

    Well Jamsheed Bhai, I am not agree with you that All Khaleefite were democratically elected rather I will call them ADHOC Khalife, nominated by a committee formed by some Politically influential people with their wasted interest in Power & Money.

    Immediately after the death of Rasool Allah (P.B.U.H.), these influential People met in placed called Sakeefa and nominated Abu Baker as Khalifa.

    This is biggest conspiracy since the existence of humanity and to prove my point I will unfold one major event which no Muslim in this world can deny:

    -          After Public declaration of Khalifa-1, Some Tribals who were actually a ASahab, refused to accept Abu Baker as Khalifa and refuse to pay Zakat (Islamic Tax), which were to be deposited in Baitul Maal contolled by Khalifa administration.

    -          Khalifa-1 declared all these Tribals as MURTAD-E-ISLAM and fight with them as a war against Kafir and kill them mercilessly.

    -          One very famous statement of Khalifa-1, “ I will take Zakat with the help of Sword”

    Now my question to you Jamsheed Bhai, please answer:

     

    Question 1: Does Islam permit to kill a person if he refuses to pay Zakat/Tax?

     

    Question 2: Does Islam permit to kill a Muslim if he converts to any other religion?

     

    Question 3: Can you justify the act of Khalifa-1 with the help of Qoran and Sunnah of Rasool (P.B.U.H.) for declaring Muslim Tribals as Murtad for the crime they refused to recognize him as Khalifa and refused to pay him Zakat?

     

    If any Muslim agrees with Khalifa-1 then he has no right to criticize Yazeed Paleed because by killing Hussain (A.S.), he has justified Sunna of Khalifa-1 as everything is fair to gain power.

     

     So, I do isolate (TABARRA) myself with Khalifa-1-2-3 and Yazeed Paleed.

      

    To conclude my comment, try to understand Imamant/ Khilafat and we can not elect our IMAM by any democratic means but they come straight from Allah like Prophets. Thanks to Allah that Sunnis do not have some theory that Mohammed (P.U.H.) was also democratic Nabi.

     

    One last comment, Actual Imam till now came in power except Moula Ali (A.S.) and during His tenure he could not get time to conveyed actual Deen-E-Islam which was revealed by Nabi-E-Kareem Mohammed (SAW) as many wars were imposed upon him by many so called Muslim dearer and nearer one and was unfortunately killed by Terrorist Muslim (Fidayeen).

     

    I am now convinced, by reading comments and hatred between us (Muslimeens), we can never be united until and unless Allah send Some Special on in this world to teach us Actual Islam.

     

    So Jamsheed Bhai Abhi Khissa bakhi hai mere dost

    By Mohammed Nahid Ansari -



  • Janab  Jamshed Basha  salam

    Since you say that you are a great in Islam and I have no doubt that you are,  would you please clarify this for the benefit of all Muslims here on newageIslam,  Abu huraira  Ra writes in his ‘Memoirs of Abu Huraira’  chapter no. 17. Page no.3  that once Omar  farook Ra during the khilafat of Abu baker  Ra was having sex with his slave girl and accidently Muawia Ra walked in,  at first he was astonished,  but then chided that all Muslims should share the good things in life with their fellow Muslims, Umer farooq  Ra replied smiling that O' Muawia the same is Applicable on you too, next time you do not usurp the 'Maal-e-ghaneemat' alone and share it with me too. I have read somewhere that Muawia ra was a womaniser, but  something like this, about Omar ra does not gel though he was a petty criminal before he converted to Islam since it is written by none other than the great Abu Huraira ra I am left with no choice but believe it to be hundred percent true.

    By Humrazz -



  •  

    Question For the senile the Jamshed Basha and Cowboy Mr. Amir Moghul..

     

     Mr. Basha is it true,  as per ‘ Riwayet’ of  Abu Jahel in chapter no. 39 . 66 memoirs of Abu Huraira,  that Umer the caliph  was once caught for stealing camels besides various  small time crimes that he used to commit, then he converted to Islam to cheat the religion itself and escape the law,  just as so many criminals turn to politics these day  to escape clutches of the law? A similar hadith in chapter no. 31. 66  in Memoirs of Abu Huraira that Uthman the caliph used to Have sex in Ramadan just before Iftar and used to explain this sin of his as he prefers to have NAFSIATI  Iftar before actually eating anything? Now any of this is true then shame on them and their followers.

     

    By Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez -



  • Basha,

    Democracy means involving the people at all level and not what was done by the first caliph as per your post.  I had mentioned my views when you say that Yazeed LA (May Allah curse be on him and his followers) was democratically elected and so were the earlier caliph.  Your views on democracy conform to the one on Pakistan which keeps on changing from military junta to democracy and vice versa.  No wonder you are so fascinated by the Jinnahs and Mughals (I mean Amir Mughal).

    You have been to Umrah and surely you must have visited the Holy Kaabah, the authenticated birthplace of Hazrat Ali.  Whatever you do, you cannot overcome the great contribution of Maula Ali as manifested everywhere in Islam.  Muawiya had a cottage industry of writing fake Hadiths and you are among the victims of those malicious campaign.

    You did not say anything on Khomeini and Jannatul baqi.  I would like to enlighten myself by your views on the desecration of the Holy graves of our beloved third caliph and our Ummul Momineen Hazrat Aisha (RA)  by the Saudi regime.  The only thing I can say your reply this time was devoid of any intellectual approach except you condemn the Saudi regime but then you do exactly what they want. Your support to Zakir Naik, an agent of Saudi, and  in turn support to Jamaat ud Dawa raises lot of doubt as you appear to be a great supporter of Wahabism from your heart.

    Basha have the conviction to speak the truth, nothing but the truth.

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • Mr. Faraz Ahmed Haq,

    That was not the intellectual debate I was expecting from people like you. You have quoted everything out of context leaving behind important aspects of Islamic history. I had been to Medina, I had a great privilege to pray at Medina mosque, pass through "Riazul Jannah", prayed near 'Mimbare Rasool', prayed at a place where "Umar Farooq was slained", visited 'Jannatul Baqi', prayed at the "Mazare Rasool PBUH and lying side by side, the graves of his best companions Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umar RA. All these privileges was given to me by Allah and remember Allah grants such opportunities  only to those who really love these places. I had been to Mecca several times, performing Haj and Umara, ziyarah a number of times. I owe these visits due to my love and affection towards Prophet Mohammed PBUH, the Great Ashabe Rasool RA and my unqualified love to Ahlul Bayat.. All these visits took place notwithstanding my views on Ali RA and family.

    I detest usurpers Saudi regime, who spend their time in sheer pomp and pleasure. Except what they profess as Wahhabism, nothing is Islamic in their life and administration. The real Hashimite kingdom is in Jordan, though their kings also have gone astray marrying christians. The early the Saudi kingdom is replaced is better for Islam and Islamic rule. I was really shocked to read that a son of ex-king Fahd could spend 100 Million dollars for erecting a tent for his marriage, when many of his fellow muslims are living in utter poverty in the sub-continent and elsewhere in the Arab world. That is why this kingship should go early. They are busy spending the petro-dollars earned through the oil, in safeguarding their kingdom. The US and UK are the biggest beneficiary of Saudi lavish life.

    As for the move of the Hazrat Abu Bakr in naming Hazrat Umar as his successor, there was no conspiracy involved in it against Ali as alleged, as he named him after ascertaining the views of Jaleelu Qadar Ashabe Rasool present then including that of Hazrat Ali Ra, who readily agreed to the candidature of Hazrat Umar RA, the most qualified man to hold the post. When Ali himself had no problem at that time, what is the problem of these shiites at this stage. Similarly, the election of Hazrat Usman Ra to the caliphate was by democratic means as well, which you also agreed. The circumstances in which Hazrat Mawiyah Ra, became Caliph is very well known. Since Ali Ra failed to avenge the killing of Hazrat Usman, Bibi Ayesha and Hazrat Mawayiah revolted against Ali. He finally relented after the battle of Saffain and wanted to get out of influence of the rebels. But it was too late, and one of them struck Ali with a poison laden sword. But Ali RA survived for three days that enabled him to advice his son Hassan RA to accept the caliphate of Mawaiyah, and the rest is history. For more details, please read all my articles on the issue.

    My views on Jinnah, remain the same and unchanged. I hold him guilty of partition that made the life of the Indian Muslim miserable. Even after 61 years of independence, we were not able to assimilate fully with the rest of the population as they are skeptical about our loyalty to the nation. But Mumbai attack came in handy to demonstrate our unstinted patriotism when we condemned terrorism in one voice and rallied behind the rest of the population. This unprecedented display of unity stunned even the safron brigade. We will continue to love our country as we are as much Indians and as much patriotic. No body has a right to question or doubt our patriotism.

    Abhi khissa bakhi hai mere dost.

    By A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India. -



  • As for my much awaited article on the fallacies associated with the "Hidden" Mehdi, it is ready and I am holdidng it back to publish it at an appropriate time, that would expose the Shiite religion and its dogmatic beliefs. Till then hold your breath. Abhi Khissa bakhi hai, mere dost. [A.M. Jamsheed Basha] 

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    Hidden Mahdi's Responsibilities and Duties after his appearance [Shia Sources]:

    When Imam Mehdi come he will be nude and the first person who Bay’ah him is Mohammad (saw). (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, page 347 Mullah Baqar Malisi).

    Mullah Baqir Majlisi writes in Haqqul Yaqeen: “When Imam Mahdi arrives, Aisha will be resurrected so that she may be given a prescribed punishment and that Fatima be vindicated.” (Haqqul Yaqeen: 347)

    When Imam
    Mehdi comes he will hang Abu Bakr and Umar at the holy grave of Hazrat Muhammad. (Majma-ul-ma’arif, page #49)

    Ali will come back to life. [Hayatul Quloob (urdu translation) by Basharat Husain, part 1, page 204, Imamiyah kutub khana Edition, Lahore]

    Before Qiyaamah all the Ambiya (A.S) will be back to life and assist Ali (A.S.). [Zamimah Maqbool by Maqbool Husain Dehlvi, page 46, Maqbool press Edition, Dehli].

    People mourn on the grave of Hussein (A.S.) because he was murdered and the angels were unable to assist him. But when Mehdi comes and people will return to life, the angels will help Mehdi. [Aqida-e-Raj’ah Ash shafi by Zafar Husain, part 2, page 196, chapter 60, Shameem book depot Edition, Nazimabad Karachi, New Edition]

    When Imam Mehdi comes he will make alive Hazrat Aa'ishah from death and whip her. (Tafseer Saafi, line 16 page 108).

    Real Quran that is compiled by Hazrat Ali will come with Imam Mehdi. (Anwar-ul-Nomania, page 60).

    When Imam Mehdi comes he will hang Hazrat Abu Bakr  and Umar at the holy grave of Hazrat Mohammad (saw). (Majma-ul-ma’arif, page 49).

    Al-Kulyani reports in his work al-Kafi, volume no.1, p.397-398:

    a)Narrated Ali ibn Ibraheem -from his father-from ibn Abi Umair-from Mansour-from Fadhl al Aour-from Abi Ubaidah who reported: “During the times of Imam Jaffar[as] we used to go around like herds without a caretaker. We met with Salim ibn Abi Hafs who asked me: ”Oh Abu Ubaidullah, who is your Imam?” I replied:” My Imams are from the household of the prophet”. He then stated: “You have perished and so have I for both of us have heared Abu Jafar[as] saying: “One who dies without recognizing his Imam, he dies a death of Jahiliyyah.” Then I affirmed what he said. It was before that three or somewhat close to it(time span) when I entered upon Abu Abdullah[as] and God granted me knowledge. Then I said to Abu Abdullah[as]: “Salim said such and such.” He replied: “Oh Abu Obaidah nobody here will die until he is succeeded by some one who does the same thing as his, and adopts the similar manners of his predecessor, and calls to the same thing as his predecessor did. Oh Abu Ubaidah, it was permitted that whatever was given to David was also provided for Sulaiman.” Then he added: “Oh Abu Ubaidah when the Qaem of the household of the prophet appears, he will rule according to rule of David and Solomon.”

    b) Muhammad ibn Yahya-Ahmad ibn Muhammad-Muhammad ibn Sinaan-Abaan who reported: “I heard Abu Abdullah[as] saying: “The world will not fade away unless a person from us appears who will rule according to the rule of the family of David and he will not ask his house. He will give every one his right.

    c) Ahmad--Ahmad ibn Muhammad--Ibn Mahboob--Hisham ibn Salim--Ammar as Saabati who reported: “I asked Abu Abdullah [as] : “On what will you rule if you are made the rulers.” He replied: “By the rule of Allah and the rule of David. And if we are confronted by a situation which we cannot solve, Gabriel (Ruh al Quds) will reveal it to us.”

    d) Muhammad ibn Ahmad--Muhammad ibn Khalid--Nazr ibn Suwaid--Yahya al Halabi--Imran ibn Oueiyn--Jaeed al Hamdani--Ali ibn al-Hussein[as] said: “I asked him by which law will you rule?” He said: “By the rule of David, and if there is something which we are unaware of, Gabriel(Ruh al Quds) will reveal it to us.”

    e) Ahmad ibn Mahran[ra]--Muhammad ibn Ali--Ibn Mahboob--Hishaam bin Salim--Ammar as Saabati reported: I asked Imam Abu Abdullah[as] :“What is the status of the Aimmah.” He replied : “It is similar to the status of Dhul Qarnain, Ushegh, and Asef the companion of prophet Sulaiman.” Then I asked: “By what will you rule?” He replied: “By the rule of God, by the rule of David, and by the rule of the Prophet Muhammad[saw] and by the revealation of Gabriel.

    2)Mahdi Al-Muntazar will speak in Hebrew:

    Reported to us Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Saeed al Uqdah who said: Narrated to us Ali ibn al-Hasan at-Taymali who said: narrated to us al-Hasan and Muhammad the sons of Ali ibnu Yusuf, from Sa’daan ibnu Muslim, from rajaal, from alMufadhaal ibn Umar who said:

    Abu Abdullah[as] reported: “When the Imam Mahdi calls out, he will supplicate to God in Hebrew.”[ Shiite source: Al-Ghaybaa of an Numani, p.326]

    3)The Jews will be the followers of Imam Mahdi:

    Sheikh alMufeed has reported in his Al-Irshaad from alMufadhaal ibnu Umar that Imam Abu Abdullah[as] has reported: “There will appear along with Imam Mahdi in Kufa, 27 people from the tribe of Moses, and seven from the people of the cave, and Yushegh ibn Nun, and Sulaiman, and Abu Dujjana al-Ansari, and Miqdad, and Malik Usthur who all be his(imam Mahdi’s helpers).” [Al-Irshaad of al-mufeed at Tusi p.402]


    ---Will rule according to the system of the family of David, and by a new Quran that is unavailable in our hands. And if someone asks where is the Laws of David, he will find the answer to be the Talmud without any doubt. And for this reason the Mahdi of the Rafidhis will take an oath on a new book as it is stated by an-Nu’mani in his work al-Ghayba, p.107: “Abu Jafar[as] said: “ By God, as if I am seeing him between the Rukn and Maqaam taking an oath of allegiance with a new order, with a new book, and a new leadership from the heavens.”

    ---His language will be Hebrew

    ---His followers will be of the Jews, for he is the king of the Jews and he himself is the Dajjal or the Jewish Anti Christ about whom the Prophet has described.

    More strong Proofs that show Mahdi of the Shiites is the Jewish Dajjal:

    ---When the Dajjal appears the Diaspora of the Jews will flock and gather in Jewish holy city of Jerusalem. Similarly when the Mahdi of the Shiites appear , all the Shiites any where will flock to him and gather in the Shiite holy city of Kufa.

    ---When the Dajjal appears the dead Jews will be resurrected from their graves by him and they would join the ranks of the Dajjal. Similarly when the Mahdi of the Rafidhis appears he will resurrect the dead of the Shiites and they would join his ranks.

    ---When the Dajjal appears he will resurrect the enemies of the Jews and will punish them. When the Mahdi of the Shiites appear he will resurrect the prophet’s companions and will punish them.

    ---The Dajjal will place on trial every one who oppressed the Jews. The Mahdi of the Shiites will place on trial every one who oppressed the Shiites.

    ---The Dajjal will kill 1/3 of the world population. Likewise the Mahdi of the Shiites will kill 1/3 of the world population.

    ---During the time of the Jewish Dajjal the earth will be filled with bounties for the Jews, the mountains will turn into milk and honey for the Jews. When the Mahdi of the Rafidhis appear a river of milk and a river of water will burst for the Shiites.

    And the points that prove the association of Mahdi with the Jews is:

    a)When the Mahdi appears he will call out to God in Hebrew.

    b)He will rule by the system of the family of David.

    Here are the evidences:

    ---It has been reported in Bihaarul Anwar that one of the Muwali of Abul Hassan[as] stated: I asked Abul Hassan about the verse : “Ayna ma takunu Ya’ti bikumullahu Jamee’aan”. He said: “This is verse is pointing out to our Qaem when he appears, God will gather our Shiites from different corners of the world.”

    ---Al-Amaali has reported from Abu Abdullah[as] that he was asked for how long will the Qaem rule? He replied : “Seven years who days will be stretched.....during this period God will raise the flesh and bodies of the believers(Shiites) from the graves.” almufadhaal ibnu Umar has reported: “we were discussing about Qaem, and whoever dies he is awaited by our fellows. Abu Abdullah[as] has said to us: “When he (Qaem) appears a believer will be approached in his grave and will be told: oh so and so, your fellow (the Qaem) has appeared, if you wish to join his ranks then do so, and if you wish you can remain in the mercy of your lord(in other words you can remain in your grave).”

    ---Al-Majlisi has reported from Abu Abdullah[as] who stated: “do you know with whom will the Qaem start with?” the answer was negative. Then he replied: “He will dig out the two culprits(Abu Bakr and Umar) burn their bodies and then let the wind to blow their ashes.

    ---Al-Mufeed reports from Abu Abdullah[as] that he said: “When the Qaem of the household of the Prophet appears he will grab hold of 500 members of the Quraish and will chop their necks off. He will do the same procedure with another 500. this action will be repeated 7 times.

    ---al-Majlisi has stated a narration reported from Jaffar ibn Muhammad who reported from his father who heard from his grandfather that : “when the Mahdi appears in Makkah and intends to go to Kufa, an announcer will call out: “That none of you should carry with himself food or drink and should carry only the stone of Moses...when they place the front side of the stone on the ground, it will let go an ever flowing river of milk and water, which will quench the thirst and hunger.

    ---Al-Ihsaaii has reported that Abu Abdullah[as] said : “The matter will not happen(victory of Qaem) until a third of the people are gone.” He was asked: “when a third of humanity is gone then what will be left?” Abu Abdullah[as] answered: “Arent you pleased that the remainder are you?”

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • As for my much awaited article on the fallacies associated with the "Hidden" Mehdi, it is ready and I am holdidng it back to publish it at an appropriate time, that would expose the Shiite religion and its dogmatic beliefs. Till then hold your breath. Abhi Khissa bakhi hai, mere dost. [A.M. Jamsheed Basha] 

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    Hidden Mahdi [As per Shia Books]

    "QUOTE"

    Courtesy Dr Shabbir Ahmed

    http://www.galaxydastak.com/?page_id=11605

    http://ourbeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/admin2/2007/08/true-history.pdf

    THIS DRAMA IS TAKING PLACE IN 873 CE, 241 YEARS AFTER THE PROPHET (632)


    1. “I am Lady Maleka, daughter of the son of Kaiser, the King of Rome. My mother’s name is Shamoun who is from the genealogy of Jesus Christ. [Jesus Christ was her ancestor!] Some time back, Prophet Muhammad met my great-grandfather, Jesus Christ son of Mary. The Prophet asked the hand of Jesus’ daughter (me, Maleka) to be given in marriage to his son, Hasan Askari [d 874 CE. Hasan Askari was the eleventh Imam of the Twelve Imami or Athna 'Ashri Shias] Jesus Christ agreed. The ceremonial address (Khutba) of our wedding was recited by Prophet Muhammad [241 yrs after he passed on] I had become emaciated hiding my love for Hasan Askari. The Prophet’s daughter, Fatimah [d 632 CE] came one day, hugged me and made me her daughterin-law [in the 9th century] Ever since then not a night has passed without us drinking the honey of our love and consummating our marriage!”


    2. “I am Lady

     Maleka, also called Narjis. I am the daughter of the King of Rome. A few days ago, Ali (son-in-law of the Prophet) came [212 years after his martyrdom!] He said to me, “Narjis! Glad tidings to you of a son that will be the King of the East and the West! The news spread like wild fire that the wife of Imam Hasan Askari was going to be the mother of the Master of Times (Imam Mahdi). One day Hasan Askari said, “Mahdi is going to be born today.” A woman from the household said, “There are no visible signs of Narjis being pregnant”. Ali said, “We saints and prophets are born from the thighs of our mothers so that we are not soiled.” Imam Hasan [d 670] also came. Those present saw a splendid radiance in Narjis. Hasan saw that the Master of Times had been born and ever since his birth, had been in prostration facing the Qibla in Makkah. The newborn was pointing his index finger at the sky and reciting Kalima.

    Virgin Mary was in attendance with a thousand houris (heavenly beauties). The observant ones observed that the Imam Mahdi was already circumcised. They sought Allah’s blessings for all Imams. There was illumination all around. The palace was flocked by white birds. Ali commanded a bird to take the baby away and to bring it back in 40 days. [Please remind yourself that the events are taking place 212 years after Imam Ali's passing away in 661. Mythology is such fun! Now follows an even more weird account] After 40 days the bird brought back the baby who was now two years old! Then the bird took the baby away and brought it back in 40 days. Imam Mahdi by then had grown into a man. [We are not told how he grew up into a man in 80 days and how a bird picked up a grown up man by its beak! We are also not told where the palace was located!]

    3. Imam Mahdi, the Imam-in-Waiting, the Imam-in-Occultation , is the Master  of Powers. He is the Imam of the World of the Unseen. It is not appropriate even to mention his name in absentia. [This advice is hardly ever heeded]

    4. The Imam read all scriptures of the past prophets in their native tongues, Scriptures of Adam, Idrees, Noah, Hud, Saleh, Abraham, Moses, David, Christ, and the Quran of Prophet Muhammad.

    5. Soon after birth, the Imam sneezed. The next night he enunciated a firm tenet that whoever sneezed, would not die for three days. [Science or insult to human intelligence? ]

    6. The angels clamored, “Who will avenge Husain, O Allah?” “I will, through the Established One”, answered God. [How will He avenge? Please wait for the next chapter]

    7. The Words in the Quran, “Who can bring back water if Allah takes it away?” in effect pertain to the Master of Powers i.e. who can bring him back if Allah takes him away.

    8. Imam Mahdi is from the seed of  the Kaiser of Rome from the mother’s side and of Muhammad (the exalted) from the father’s side. [We are not told how from Kaiser. And, didn’t he, if at all he was born, descend from Abu Talib and Hazrat Ali? [Hazrat Fatima was the daughter of Muhammad (S) and the wife of Ali r. a. but genealogies are traced through paternity]

    9. The Quran of Ali is with the Established Imam. When he comes, even the wild animals will become friends to each other. Because of his splendor, the whole world will be lit up. Hence, there will be no sun during the day and no moon at
    night! [The sun and the moon will retire!]

    10. He will ride the thuder and make a round of the seven heavens and the seven earths. [He will not be electrocuted] Shady clouds will always keep him cool. [But there will be no sun!] Swords for his use will descend from the heavens.

    11. Countless palaces and treasuries are at his disposal. Those who  have had a visit with him in the past centuries speak of the unparalleled magnificence of his palace. [No one knows where any of those palaces is]

    12. He performs Hajj every year but no one can recognize him [Cannot recognize the one whose splendor lights up the whole world!]

    13. At every Eid when people rejoice, God refreshes the sorrow of Muhammad’s progeny, since their due right, the world supremacy, is in the possession of others. [It is in the White House these days]

    14. Hazrat Ali mourns to this day. He has been seen reading the Book of Jafar [for over 1300 years] Jafar is the “Science” of dreams, calamities and disasters.

    15. Whenever a Mu’min (Shia believer) falls ill, the Amir (Commander) of the Mumins, Ali, is also taken ill. [Among the believers, hundreds of thousands must be ailing at any given time. When does the Amir get well?]

    16. Whoever waits for the Imam of the  Times, will be seated in his glorious tent. The best action of a believer is to wait for the Imam. [The palace has now become a tent!]

    17. A sure panacea: On a piece of paper write a message for the Imam of the Times. Place it in a grave or throw it into a deep well. The message is sure to reach him and the problems will be instantly resolved.

    18. Among the 73 sects of Muslims, only those waiting for the Mahdi will go to Paradise.

    [There are strong historical records that the 11th imam Hasan Askari had died in his youth leaving behind no children. On that account, Askari's real brother Ja'far bin Naqi had grabbed all his inheritance through due course of law. Ref. Shama'-e-Haqeeqat by Qazi Muhammad Ali]

    Reminder: All criticism of the author in this book is directed to the historians, and not at all to the honorable personalities of Islam - The exalted Prophet, Sahaba Kiraam, Hazraat Ali,  Fatima, Hasan and Husain, all of whom inspire our reverence and respect.

    Imam Mahdi bin Hasan Askari, was born in the year 255 or 256 A.H. [if he was born at all! Shi'a scholars are unable to decide which year it really was!] In 260 AH at the age of about five years, and just ten days before the demise of his father, he disappeared and hid in the nearby cave called Samara or Saraman Rai. With him he took away the entire Quran consisting of 40 (not 30) parts and 17000 (not 6200+) verses. He also took with him all the Scriptures of the prophets of old, the Book of Ali, the Book of Fatima, the Science of Jafar, all miracles of the prophets, the staff of Moses, the shirt of Adam, and the ring of Solomon. He will reappear before the Dooms Day. He will exhume and resurrect Abu Bakr and Umar from their graves. In the course of one day and night he will execute both of them a thousand times after bringing them back to  life each time. According to some accounts, he will dispense the same prescription to Uthman. (Hablullah No.6, P.32)

    He will stone to death the mother of believers, Ayesha for adultery.  [Recall Bukhari et el fabricating a slander against the Mother of Believers and Hazrat Ali advising the exalted Messenger to divorce her! Surah Noor does not at all name the lady that was slandered]

    [Hold your breath!] The first one to tender submission to Imam Mahdi will be Prophet Muhammad. (Basair Darajat P. 213)

    The Mahdi will resurrect people and send them off to heaven or hell. (Miratul Anwaar P.68)

    The Occult Imam Mahdi will appear and bring forth a new Book and a new Faith (Faslul- Khitab P. 283 and Anwaar Na’mania by Syed Naimatullah Muhaddis Aljazairee).

    Only Mahdi will bring the genuine Quran. For the time being, fill in with the present one. (Faslul Khatab, ref. Hazrat Ali) 

    Mahdi  will battle with Gog and Magog (Ref. Many books of Ahadith, Masnad-e-Ahmad, Al-Kafi, etc) Who are Gog and Magog? Muslims have been labeling many different peoples as Gog Magog. Many Jews and Christians consider Russia, China and the Muslims as Gog Magog!

    Ahsanul Maqal states that Imam Mahdi son of Hasan Askari will appear at the very end of this world. He will be around only for seven years. He will uphold equity and justice and then there will be the Great World War, Armageddon. [So, that will be it. He that was so anxiously awaited for centuries came and heralded the end of the world! Happy waiting! - to the waiters]

    http://ourbeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/admin2/2007/08/true-history.pdf

    "UNQUOTE"

    By Aamir Mughal -



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    Jamsheed Basha or Shah Rukh of Om Shanti Om,

     

    Reading you reply this morning, I ran into a peel of laughter.  Senility do come at this age and so does amnesia so I give you benefit of doubt and will address you with respect and not like that minor girl and SAF Rizvi who calls you as a grand old man.

     

    At your age it does not sound reasonable that you shoot out Shahrukh Khan dialogue but being a Yazeeedi, you will indulge in these things which are haram in Islam.  Imagine, if Yazeed had become an icon of Islamic society then you would have been raping woman, drinking liquor and indulging in all sorts of vices

     

    Truth shall prevail as is the saying.  Whatever you say on Jinnah your love for him continues unabated.

    You say

    “I still hold Jinnah and company guilty of ditching the Indian Muslims when he and his cohorts left for Pakistan immediately after its creation in 1947”.   

     

    My reply he betrayed all Indians who fought the war of independence together and not alone Muslims. The problem is that you cannot think beyond the narrow limits of Muslims like all Talibanis and Yazeedis do.

     

    Again you justify Jinnah.  You say

     “I still hold the view that he was a Khoja but professed Islam as he said that he was neither a Shia nor a Sunni, as he was following the religion of Mohammed PBUH who was neither Shia nor a Sunni. I still hold the view that as a politicians, he was a giant among the politicians as said by no less a person than the famous historian, Arnold Toynbee, which you and I cannot deny at this stage as he and other giant politicians have already slipped into history.”

     

    This is the problem with you Basha that you love Jinnah so much that you even bring Toynbee in his justification.  A man is judged by the action he takes and the results it gives.  Jinnah created Pakistan and see what happened, where the country has gone even its President admits that country has great problem with the terrorist it had harboured through Saudi findings.

     

    So please don’t equate your great love for Jinnah with our great leaders like Gandhiji and Pandit Nehru when you say I cannot deny at this stage as he and other giant politicians have already slipped into history.  Both our giants and many others have left a great and indelible mark in the path of democracy, fairplay and making our nation great in the region.  No Basha, please don’t equate.

     

    That you are confused man is evident when you say

     

    In Islam, the caliphate is not hereditary but democracy. Yazeed Ra, did succeed his father through democratic means and not through diktats from his Caliph father.

     

    What democracy are you talking about?  Why did Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA) appoint Hazrat Umar (RA) directly as Caliph and then he ( H Umar (RA) constituted a shoora to ensure `selection’ of Hazrat Othman.  Your have fired your ammunition and talk illogical.   Even Hazrat Abu Bakr was made caliph by the sword of Hazrat Umar at Saqifa.  Democracy died in Islam that day

     

    One thing I admired today.  Read what you said

    Why then, the people of Medina, Mekkah and` Hijaz’ as a whole did not rise up in revolt to instal him as the Caliph soon after the death of Ali or Mawiyah RAA?

     

    At least by calling Saudi Arabia as Hijaz you agree that illegitimate and illegal monarchy of Saudi Arabia is a usurper who even named that country after themselves.   Impressed you call Saudi Arabia, the financial capital of world terrorism, as Hijaz.  We must all do so.

     

    When we can tolerate a lunatic Khomeni, who dared to demolish the graves of Rightly Guided Caliphs in Medina.

     

    One thing you finally agree that the perfidious and hated regime of Saudi which demolished graves of great personality in `Jannatul baqi’; was wrong and unIslamic, abhorrent and unjustifiable.  In Jannatul Baqi was the grave of third Caliph Hazrat Othman too. If his grave can be demolished by the Wahabis what is left of the two caliphs.  Why they were spared and why this discrimination.  Basha have you ever been to Medina. 

     

     Not only Hazrat Othman grave even of Ummul Momineen Hazrat Aisha (RA) grave has been demolished.  The first caliph was just the Prophet (SAW) sahaba but Ummul Momineen was his wife but then too Saudi regime demolished her tomb. 

    What wrong Khomeni has said?  Why are your running like mad on these supposed utterances,  Tell me Basha.  Have you been to Medina?

     

     But I still maintain what is attributed to Khomeini is a canard spread by that ignorant Amir Mughal who happened to be your close associate? Mughal belong to which land?

     

    Basha, come to the right fold, follow true Islam instead of burning in hell I invite you to abandon your love of Jinnah, Yazeed and Muawiya and also Aboo Sufyan and shirk the Wahabis.  Jai Hind

     

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



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    Jamsheed Basha or Shah Rukh of Om Shanti Om,

     

    Reading you reply this morning, I ran into a peel of laughter.  Senility do come at this age and so does amnesia so I give you benefit of doubt and will address you with respect and not like that minor girl and SAF Rizvi who calls you as a grand old man.

     

    At your age it does not sound reasonable that you shoot out Shahrukh Khan dialogue but being a Yazeeedi, you will indulge in these things which are haram in Islam.  Imagine, if Yazeed had become an icon of Islamic society then you would have been raping woman, drinking liquor and indulging in all sorts of vices

     

    Truth shall prevail as is the saying.  Whatever you say on Jinnah your love for him continues unabated.

    You say

    “I still hold Jinnah and company guilty of ditching the Indian Muslims when he and his cohorts left for Pakistan immediately after its creation in 1947”.   

     

    My reply he betrayed all Indians who fought the war of independence together and not alone Muslims. The problem is that you cannot think beyond the narrow limits of Muslims like all Talibanis and Yazeedis do.

     

    Again you justify Jinnah.  You say

     “I still hold the view that he was a Khoja but professed Islam as he said that he was neither a Shia nor a Sunni, as he was following the religion of Mohammed PBUH who was neither Shia nor a Sunni. I still hold the view that as a politicians, he was a giant among the politicians as said by no less a person than the famous historian, Arnold Toynbee, which you and I cannot deny at this stage as he and other giant politicians have already slipped into history.”

     

    This is the problem with you Basha that you love Jinnah so much that you even bring Toynbee in his justification.  A man is judged by the action he takes and the results it gives.  Jinnah created Pakistan and see what happened, where the country has gone even its President admits that country has great problem with the terrorist it had harboured through Saudi findings.

     

    So please don’t equate your great love for Jinnah with our great leaders like Gandhiji and Pandit Nehru when you say I cannot deny at this stage as he and other giant politicians have already slipped into history.  Both our giants and many others have left a great and indelible mark in the path of democracy, fairplay and making our nation great in the region.  No Basha, please don’t equate.

     

    That you are confused man is evident when you say

     

    In Islam, the caliphate is not hereditary but democracy. Yazeed Ra, did succeed his father through democratic means and not through diktats from his Caliph father.

     

    What democracy are you talking about?  Why did Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA) appoint Hazrat Umar (RA) directly as Caliph and then he ( H Umar (RA) constituted a shoora to ensure `selection’ of Hazrat Othman.  Your have fired your ammunition and talk illogical.   Even Hazrat Abu Bakr was made caliph by the sword of Hazrat Umar at Saqifa.  Democracy died in Islam that day

     

    One thing I admired today.  Read what you said

    Why then, the people of Medina, Mekkah and` Hijaz’ as a whole did not rise up in revolt to instal him as the Caliph soon after the death of Ali or Mawiyah RAA?

     

    At least by calling Saudi Arabia as Hijaz you agree that illegitimate and illegal monarchy of Saudi Arabia is a usurper who even named that country after themselves.   Impressed you call Saudi Arabia, the financial capital of world terrorism, as Hijaz.  We must all do so.

     

    When we can tolerate a lunatic Khomeni, who dared to demolish the graves of Rightly Guided Caliphs in Medina.

     

    One thing you finally agree that the perfidious and hated regime of Saudi which demolished graves of great personality in `Jannatul baqi’; was wrong and unIslamic, abhorrent and unjustifiable.  In Jannatul Baqi was the grave of third Caliph Hazrat Othman too. If his grave can be demolished by the Wahabis what is left of the two caliphs.  Why they were spared and why this discrimination.  Basha have you ever been to Medina. 

     

     Not only Hazrat Othman grave even of Ummul Momineen Hazrat Aisha (RA) grave has been demolished.  The first caliph was just the Prophet (SAW) sahaba but Ummul Momineen was his wife but then too Saudi regime demolished her tomb. 

    What wrong Khomeni has said?  Why are your running like mad on these supposed utterances,  Tell me Basha.  Have you been to Medina?

     

     But I still maintain what is attributed to Khomeini is a canard spread by that ignorant Amir Mughal who happened to be your close associate? Mughal belong to which land?

     

    Basha, come to the right fold, follow true Islam instead of burning in hell I invite you to abandon your love of Jinnah, Yazeed and Muawiya and also Aboo Sufyan and shirk the Wahabis.  Jai Hind

     

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • This is in response to ill tempered violent reactions from some of the new entrants to the site like Tashoo, Miraj Zia,  joining with him as usual Rizvi, Faraz, wild woman Kaneez and others expressing their ire using vilest of the language they inherited from their forefathers. This is certainly no civility from these guys who claim from top of their voice that they are muslims but there is nothing muslim in their writings. However, all deserve a decent reply.

    First and foremost, I have been a bitter critic of both Pakistan and Jinnah, from the time some of them would not have rvrn born. I stirred up a controversy among the Pakistanis when I wrote an article published in Arab News and Saudi Gazette as early as in 1981, where I called Jinnah's 'two-nation' theory a bluff and creation of Pakistan a "BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY", a phrase never coined  before or told by anyone in the history of India and Pakistan. I still hodl Jinnah and company guilty of ditching the Indian Muslims when he and his cohorts left for Paksitan immediately after its creation in 1947.  I still hold the view that he was a Khoja but professed Islam as he said that he was neither a Shia nor a Sunni, as he was following the religion of Mohammed PBUH who was neither Shia nor a Sunni. I still hold the view that as a politicians, he was a giant among the politicians as said by no less a person than the famous historian, Arnold Toyanbee, which you and I cannot deny at this stage as he and other giant politicians have already slipped into history. I also hold the view that none of the readers, because of their prejudice and bias mind against my writing, did not care to read all my articles carefully before arriving at a conclusion. If you are a prejudiced mind, you cannot see reason in anything you view. Only in calm waters, one can see an image undistorted. Does anybody understands this?

    Still on Dr. Zakir Naik, I never made a U turn on him. While I did not follow him or read his articles or listened to his speeches directly, though he had time and again visited Chennai, I still hold the view that  as an Islamic Scholar, he has every right to speak what he thinks right. When we can tolerate a luntic Khomeni, who dared to demolish the graves of Rightly Guided Caliphs in Medina, if he captures these cities, if you can tolerate a radical Moududi, who was the best friend of Khomeni, you can also tolerate Dr. Zakir Naik. These are the irritants in Islamic body that can be tolerated, if you cannot discard them, but fall short of following them.

    Some one enquired about me Who am I? To them I am a Muslim following the religion of Prophet Mohammed PBUH and the Great Ashabe Rasool. I follow the teachings contained in Ahadeese Rasool sourced from four great Ashabe Rasool majority of them coming from Hazrat Bibi Ayesha RA, the beloved wife of Prophet PBUH and Hazrat Abu Huraira RA, one of the greats Ashabe Sufha, who was nick named as father of a cat (Abu Huraira) by Prophet PBUH himself for his love to the pet animal he was keeping so dearly. I for one who believe that one's love to Ahulul Bayat showed in no way over shadow the facts of history. While the three Rightly Guided Caliphs, Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman and Muwaiyah, RAA, regisitered great conquests and expansion of Islamic empire all over the world during their caliphate, there was not a single achievement of the sort during the reign of Ali Ra who was embroiled in internecine conflict and finalling falling to the sword of his own men. Similarly, I love Hassan and Hussein RAA for they were the beloved grandsons of the Prophet PBUH. Of them, Hassan RA was more sobre and diplomatic who acted upon the advice of his father Ali and took Bayat of Mawaiyah, unlike Hussain RA, though he too took Bayat, but had his own reservations. Hussein RA on his part was never been a Caliph but he had political ambitions. That is why he undertook an arduous journey to Karbala at the invitations of a few shiite Kufans, who promised all support but ditched him  at the last moment. Though he had no intention of waging a war but fell to the arrow of his own men like his father Ali Ra. These are the bare facts of history no one can erase it.

    To every one  on the discussion board, if any one can tell me, for pious people like Ali and Hussein RAA, spirituality should precede temporal gains. Why then, Hussein Ra wanted political power and laid a claim to the caliphate? In Islam, the caliphate is not hereditary but democracy. Yazeed Ra, did succeed his father through democratic means and not through diktats from his Caliph father. He was elected purely on the basis of his past achievement, his knowledge of administration, political acumen he possessed besides he was the commander of the Islamic army which registered many a victory under his leadership including the first naval attack on Contentenapole (Istanbul) where he headed as a Commander of Islamic First Naval attack joining him in the war includes many a great Ashabe Rasool like Ibne Abbas, Ibne Umar, Abu Ayub Ansar and top it all Hussein Ibne Ali RAA, himself.  Is there any such achievement worth its name done by Hussein RA during his life time to lay a claim to caliphate. His only qualification was he was the son of Bibi Fathima and Hazrat Ali RAA, and beloved grandson of the Prophet PBUH.  Why then, the people of Medina, Mekkah and Hijaz as a whole did not rise up in revolt to instal him as the Caliph soon after the death of Ali or Mawiyah RAA? Why did every one took Bayat on Mawiyah including Hassan and Hussein RA besides scores of Ashabe Rasool who were living then? Why did the whole of Medinah, Mekkah and Arab world took bayat on Yazeed RA except Hussein Ra? Why did the people of Medina or Mecca did not accompany on his jouryney to Karbala, if the rule of Yazeed RA, was too bad? Why did people join him on the way to the 45 days journey while his caravan passed through so many villages on the way and formed a formidable army of men? If he had any support as you claim, he would have gathered an army of thousands on the way to Karbala, if had the intention to fight? All these more questions would prove that there was nothing wrong with the rule of Yazeed RA.

    Notwithstanding this, I and other sunni Muslims continue to love Ahlul Bayat including Ali, Hassan and Hussein RA besides bibi Fathima RA, as Prophet PBUH told that he was leaving behind two things, one was Quran and the second was Ahlul Bayat which includes all wives of the Prophet and their children, and not only Ali, Hassan, Hussain, Fathima RAA  as claimed by shiites. It became obligatory on the part of each and every Muslim to love the Ahlul Bayat and these need not be told to us by any non-muslims. Those shiites who claim to love abundantly the Ahulul Bayat, how are they justified in denigrating the great and beloved wives of the Prophet PBUH and the great three rightly guided caliphs themselves? This is a sheer hypocrisy on the part of shiites? Do not believe their worlds, they are like Kufans who ditched Imam Hussein RA in  history.

    While some one lambasting Mrs. Kaneez for her berated and foul use of language against the three Rightly Guided Caliphs, has said that she is being excused as she was minor. For his information she is married and has a 11 year old daughter whose mind she was polluting while answering our write ups. Not only that she took pride in her market maid like outbursts witnessed by her daughter. Therefore, she is insolent and it is better to be ignore her for good. She has no more ammunition left in her cannon to be fired at us and that is why she has been reposting her old comments unable to answer any of the facts of history on Ali and Hussein RAA.

    It is to the great credit of greats like me and Amir Mughal, that we never lost our cool but have been replying to all queries, though many have used vilest of the language, with due civility and decency expected from the great followers of Islam. Because we, both, firmly believe that never wrestle with pig, because we get dirty, though pigs wants to fight with them. Perhaps, this has not gone well with our detractors. If you have any decency left in you, do not attack us personally that will not give a good account of yourself or your breeding or upbringing but come out with counter facts, if any available with you. Do not think Khomeni of Iran, is the last word on Shiite religion. He was a best forgotten man, who led a revolution using the name of Islam to satisfy his ego. He spent most part of his life in exile enjoying life and back in Iran, he did little to claim a place in the history. He ultimately vanished from the scene like any of his predecessor who laid a false claim as the 'representatives' of the imaginary 'Hidden Imam" Mehdi and collected money from his followers, a practice followed even today by Burhanuddin of Bohras and Aga Khan of Ismalis and I do not know how many of the local Shiite Imams are on the collecting spree in India and elsewhere. The gates of Jahannum are certainly open for them for cheating the gullible shiite community.

    Tashoo asked me what kind of Islam I am practicing while Meeraj Zia issued a 'fatwa' that I am not a muslim for I did not love Hussein Ra. To them, I must confess that I do not follow the brand of Islam, these guys are following where denigrating the Islamic greats and slandering them daily, is part of their prayer and rituals. I certainly do not follow Islam, where using foul and vilest of the language is permissible in their society. I certainly do not follow a religion, where at the end of each prayer, it is mandatory to curse and slander the Rightly Guided Caliphs and beloved wives of the Prophet PBUH who were declared in Quran as Ummul Momineen. I certainly do not follow a religion of such people who indulge in morally despicable, abhorrent, intellectually dishonest, foul , disgustingly and utterly bad language, obnoxious and contemptible slander against all Ashabe Rasool (except the five from the Ahlul Bayat), whom they call apostate (Nawoozubillah). But certainly I follow the religion passed on to us from the Great Prophet Mohammed PBUH and Ashabe Rasool, the Greats, who never taught us slanderous behaviour. Its a religion that taught us piety, sobre character, gave direction to life and based on its beautiful tenets, it spread wide and far all over the world. This is the kind of Islam I follow. This is the true religion of Sunni Muslims of the world.

    As for my much awaited article on the fallacies associated with the "Hidden" Mehdi, it is ready and I am holdidng it back to publish it at an appropriate time, that would expose the Shiite religion and its dogmatic beliefs. Till then hold your breath. Abhi Khissa bakhi hai, mere dost.

    A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai based columnist. 

    By A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India -



  • Basha,

    What kind of Islam are you practising? Instead of condemning Zakir Naik for his views on Osama, you put him on a pedestal. Do you have any sense of what you write. You should be ashamed of yourself for praising an agent of Saudi Arabia and a propogator of Wahabism.

    I really pity your family and colleagues for having to put up with you. You are a sick man with a dangerous agenda. With all the love you have for Jinnah you should be deported to Pakistan, where you will find your friends in JamaatutDawa and Lashkar-e-Toiba.

    You know nothing about your godfather Yazid. He loved women. And if Yazid was around today your family would not have been spared, you old man.  You know what I mean. You know nothing about Islamic history. Your hatred towards Ahlulbait will only take you to Jahannum.

    No you are not a Muslim as Meraj Zia has rightly said. You are a Yazidi and a Kafir and follow the religion of Osama. Stop spreading Yazidiat, else you are going to be hit back harder, where it will hurt even more. Abhi picture baaqi hai Islam ke dushman.  

    By TASHOO -



  • Amir Mughal,

    You are too boring and too bizarre.  Just like your land which is as incomprehensible as your post.  You are courteous, that is for sure, but too dragging and your debates is more of cut andpaste than any reason or logic.  There is never anything to be learnt  reading your post.  Please be self and dont imitate.  But one should not expect much from a closed circuit ideologues who depend on senile ideology of wahabism and salafism which is all set to doom once the ill gotten and illegitimate monarchy of saudi regime gives way to democracy as in Nepal 

    By Zia Haider -



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    Jamsheed BASHA of Chennai

     

    Who are you?  You cannot be a Muslim for sure as your views on Imam Husain (AS) clearly prove this and your views on Yazeed makes anyone sure you are worse than Talibans and Wahabis infact you look like a Zionist by your writings.  One must check your antecedents. And I agree with Faraz Ahmad Haq that you are obsessed with your love for Jinnah, the creator of terror land called Pakistan and their political and financial masters the Saudi Arabia.

     

    You are such an amazing man that you first want Muslims to emulate Jinnah in your post on the article `Terror cannot be fought with terror 'and later justified it also and today you call him as Khoja.  The problem is Pakistan was created by this non Muslim man called Jinnah (he used to eat pork and drink liquor read Freedom at Midnight) and the country is dominated today by terrorist outfits like LeT, Jaishe Muhammad and Jamiatul Dawa, all of them have nothing to do with Islam like their ancestors Yazeed bin Muwaiya (lanati) May Allah Curse be on him and his followers. 

     

    But Basha you must be among a very very few Indian and the only one from Chennai who must be having a soft corner for Jinnah and Yazeed and his present day offspring’s, LeT and other such outfits.   Jai Hind

    By MERAJ ZIA -



  • Jamsheed Basha,

     

    There is a peculiar love you have for Jinnah, your most ardent leader whom you quote off and on.  Remember in the article Unveiling Zakir Naik, you had gone to the extent of asking Muslims to emulate `Quaid-e-Azam" Jinnah.  You also called him as a great Muslim who did not have distinction of Shias and Sunni.  So you bring him everytime because of your obsession with him like the Taliban’s and all Wahabis.  Jinnah was never a Muslim, he was alcoholic and pork eater and he created a failed state Pakistan which is sham and not an Islamic country and a breeding ground for the LeT and Wahabis and also Ahle Hadees who too are not a true Muslim but its enemy.  Jamsheed Basha, if you do not support Jinnah and Pakistan why do you speak in the language of Talibans. Your guru the hateful Zakir Naik is more popular in Pakistan than in India.

     

    I strongly condemn the views of Sayeeda Kaneez Fatima on the three caliphs, it was unwarranted and uncalled for but as she says she is a minor, she should be politely told to control her language and tone.  Youthful spirit must be kept in check.  But you are old and very old as you use to go to waiz to listen to Ibne Hasan who died some thirty years ago.  At least Basha you should talk some sense and not like that stupid man in Mumbai who has become a subject of ridicule.  How a sane man like you come out in support of such lunatics in the community.  If Pakistan has come to a stage of becoming an international pariah and fountainhead of terrorism, ( incidentally it has people like Amir Mughal), it is because of the radical ideology of Saudi Arabia i.e. Wahabism and Ahle Hadees which gives birth to terror.  Basha, I think the article by Naqvi is good and makes sense but it can never suit people who live in India like you but follow the radical ideoogy of Pakistan and then of their masters in Saudi Arabia.  If you shed your love for Jinnah and Yazeed, you will see reason but you will remain blind fold.

     

    Islam has no room for figure like Zakir Naik of today and Yazeed in the past.  Basha, if you have the courage name your self Jamsheed Yazid  and that Naik as Zakir Yazid

    By FARAZ AHMAD HAQ -



  • Curious again as why Amir Moghul and Jamshed Basha combine could not debate with Mrs. Kaneez on the following topics ? [Humrazz]

    Dear Humrazz,

    Ms. Kaneez has been answered on the same thread from where you have quoted the text as a query for me. Let me quote those replies again.  Do keep in mind the The Tabbarrah [cursing] while reading the replies that the article by a Shia Scholar Dr. Maulana Abbas Ali Naqvi above claims that [as per him Shia also respect Companions of the Prophet Mohammad - PBUH] but read as to what kind of language Ms. Kaneez Faitmah has used for the Companions in her queries:

    Q - 1 - Shiite law of inheritance and FIDAK DIPSUTE.

    Q - 2 - Abu huraira lanati [Cursed]. 

    Q - 3 - Umar the caliph.

    These three queries have been answered in the following thread and nobody is forcing Ms. Fatimah or you to accept my replies. Its free will.

    Muslim response to Mumbai terror in sync with the national mood, but what is wrong with our intellectuals?

    Muslim response to Mumbai terror in sync with the national mood, but what is wrong with our intellectuals?

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1043

    Q - 1 - Shiite law of inheritance and FIDAK DIPSUTE. [Ms Kaneez]

    Dispute of Fadak and Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq [May Allah be pleased with him]

     

    Shia Sources:

     

    Al-Kulayni narrates in al-Kafi: Abu ‘Abdillah (Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq) says that Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam said: “... And the ‘Ulama are the heirs of the Ambiya; and the Ambiya did not leave dinars and dirhams as inheritance; but they left knowledge. Therefore whosoever takes knowledge has taken a great portion.” (al-, vol. 1 p. 42)

     

    Regarding the authenticity of this ahaadeeth, ‘Allamah Muhammad Baqir Majlisi states in his commentary on al-, entitled Mir’at al-‘Uqul: [This] hadith has two chains of narration. The first is majhul [contains an unknown narrator], and the second is hasan or muwaththaq. [Together] they do not fall short of being Saheeh. (Mir’at al-‘Uqul, vol. 1 p. 111)

     

    It is then a fact that this hadith is reliable. Why do the ‘ulama of the Shi‘ah refrain from using it, despite the fact that it so well-known in their ranks also.

     

    The strange thing here is that the ahaadeeth is authentic enough for Khomeini to utilise it as evidence of the validity of his monumental political theory of Wilayat al-Faqih (the Rule of the Jurisprudent). He writes under the heading “Sahihat al-Qaddah” (the authentic narration of al-Qaddah): ‘Ali ibn Ibrahim narrates from his father, from Hammad ibn ‘Isa, on the authority of [‘Abdullah ibn Maymun] al-Qaddah that Abu ‘Abdillah [Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq] ‘alayhis salam said: Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam said: “Whoever walks a path seeking therein knowledge, Allah will lead him on a road to Jannah... And the ‘Ulama are the heirs of the Ambiya; and the Ambiya did not leave dinars and dirhams as inheritance; but they left knowledge. Therefore whosoever takes knowledge has taken a great portion.” (al-Kafi, Kitab Fadl al-‘Ilm, Bab Sifat al-‘Ilm wa-Fadlihi, hadith no. 2)

     

    To this narration Khomeini appends the following remark: The narrators of this tradition are all reliable and trustworthy. The father of ‘Ali ibn Ibrahim [namely Ibrahim ibn Hashim] is not only reliable; he is one of the most reliable and trustworthy narrators. (al-Hukumat al-Islamiyyah, p. 133, published by Markaz Baqiyyat Allah al-A‘zam, Beirut)

     

    Thereafter Khomeini points to another narration to the same effect that is recorded in al-KAAFI with a weak chain of narration, and comments as follows:

     

    This narration has been narrated with a slight difference to the same effect through another chain of narration that is weak, meaning that the chain is authentic up to Abul Bakhtari, but Abul Bakhtari himself is weak. That narration is as follows: [It is narrated] from Muhammad ibn Yahya, from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Isa, from Muhammad ibn Khalid, from Abul Bakhtari, that Abu ‘Abdillah [Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq] ‘alayhis salam said: “Verily the ‘Ulama are the heirs of the Ambiya. That is because the Ambiya do not leave dirhams or dinars as inheritance, but they leave their words.” . (al-Hukumat al-Islamiyyah, p. 133)

     

    A more astounding revelation—of which many people happen to be uninformed—is the fact that in the Fiqh of the Imami Shi‘ah a woman does not inherit land or fixed property. How is it that the Shi‘ah accept it for Sayyidah Fatimah radiyallahu‘anha to inherit Fadak, when their own jurisprudence does not allow the succession of a woman to land or fixed property:

     

     

    In al- al-Kulayni has included a chapter entitled “Women do not inherit land”. In this chapter he narrates a ahaadeeth from Imam Muhammad al-Baqir, “Women do not inherit anything of land or fixed property.” (al-Kafi, vol. 7 p. 127, Kitab al-Mawarith, hadith no. 1)

     

    Al-Tusi in Tahdhib al-Ahkam, and al-Majlisi in Bihar al-Anwar have narrated from Maysarah that he asked Imam Ja‘far as-Saadiq about what a woman inherits. The Imam replied: “They will get the value of the bricks, the building, the wood and the bamboo. As for the land and the fixed property, they will get no inheritance from that.” (Tahdhib al-Ahkam, vol. 9 p. 299; Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 104 p. 351)

     

    Al-Tusi records in Tahdhib al-Ahkam and al-Istibsar from Muhammad ibn Muslim that Imam Muhammad al-Baqir said: “A woman will not inherit anything of land and fixed property.” (Tahdhib al-Ahkam, vol. 9 p. 298; al-Istibsar, vol. 4 p. 152)

     

    He also records from ‘Abd al-Malik ibn A‘yan that either Imam Muhammad al-Baqir or Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq said: “Women will have nothing of houses or land.” (Tahdhib al-Ahkam, vol. 9 p. 299; Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 104 p. 351)

     

    In addition, if Fadak had to be inheritance, the wives of Rasulullah sallallahi ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam like Aa’ishah, and his daughters like Zaynab and Umm Kulthum would have had a share in it. However, Abu Bakr, for the sake of the ahaadeeth, did not give anything of it to the wives or daughters of Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam, not even to his own daughter Aa’ishah. Why are the wives and the other daughters of Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam not mentioned as parties in the dispute over Fadak, and why is all attention focused only on Sayyidah Fatimah?

     

    All of the above concerns the status of Fadak as inheritance from Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam. On the other hand, if it is maintained that Fadak was a gift from Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam—as claimed by al-Kashani in his tafsir, as-Safi (vol. 3 p. 186) —the matter needs to be looked into

     

    It is therefore concluded that Fadak was neither inheritance nor a gift. This was exactly the position of Imam ‘Ali. When he became the Khalifah he did not treat Fadak as the estate of his deceased wife Sayyidah Fatimah, by taking a quarter for himself and distributing the remaining three quarters between , Husayn and Umm Kulthum according to the rule “to the male twice the share of the female”. This is an established fact of history. Why is Abu Bakr execrated for something which was also done by ‘Ali? In fact, Sayyid Murtada (known as ‘Alam al-Huda) narrates in his book on Imamah entitled ash-Shafi, that when ‘Ali became the khalifah he was approached about returning Fadak. His reply was: “I am ashamed before Allah to overturn something that was prohibited by Abu Bakr and continued by ‘Umar.” (al-Murtada, ash-Shafi fil-Imamah, p. 231; and Ibn Abil Hadid, Sharh Nahj al-Balaghah, vol. 4)

     

    Al-Kulayni narrates in al-Kafi: Abul Hasan [Imam ‘Ali ar-Rida] came to [the ‘Abbasid khalifah] al-Mahdi and saw him redressing grievances and returning property to its owners that was unrightfully appropriated. He [Imam Rida] asked, “What about our grievance? Why is it not returned?” Al-Mahdi asked. “And what might that be, Abul Hasan?” He replied, “When Allah granted his Prophet the conquest of Fadak...” Al-Mahdi asked, “Abul Hasan, describe to me the extent of this property.” He [Imam Rida] replied, “One side of it is Mount Uhud. Another side is al-‘Arish in Egypt. Another side is the coastline. Another side is Dawmat al-Jandal.” (al-Kafi, Bab al-Fay’ wal-Anfal, vol. 1 p. 543; also Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 48 p. 156)

     

    Dear Ms Fatimah,

     

    I was talking about Syeda Fatimah Bint Mohammad [May Allah be pleased with her] not you because as per Imam Jaffer [Shia Imam]'s Hadith, Prophets dont leave any inheritance but Knowledge [Ilm] for their immediate family members. Read the Hadith of Imam Jaffer [Infallible Shia Imams DONT LIE]

     

    Usool al- Kafi that is a collection narrations and traditions attributed to the Shiite Imams, Ahlul Bayt and the Prophet. Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars said and declared . Its author is Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKulayni (A VERY reliable Shia Scholar, died in 328 H). Some Shi'ites scholars believe usool Al-Kafi was presented to the legendary Imam Qaem who liked it and said: "It suffices our Shi'ites" (al-Tharee'ah ela Tasaneef al-Shi'a: Agha Buzurg al-Tahraani; vol.17, p.245)


     

    Al-Kulayni narrates in al-Kafi: Abu ‘Abdillah (Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq) says that Rasulullah sallallahu ‘alayhi wa-alihi wasallam said: “... And the ‘Ulama are the heirs of the Ambiya; and the Ambiya did not leave dinars and dirhams as inheritance; but they left knowledge. Therefore whosoever takes knowledge has taken a great portion.” (al-, vol. 1 p. 42)

     

    Regarding the authenticity of this ahaadeeth, ‘Allamah Muhammad Baqir Majlisi states in his commentary on al-, entitled Mir’at al-‘Uqul: [This] hadith has two chains of narration. The first is majhul [contains an unknown narrator], and the second is hasan or muwaththaq. [Together] they do not fall short of being Saheeh. (Mir’at al-‘Uqul, vol. 1 p. 111)

    Q - 2 - Abu huraira lanati [Cursed]. [Ms. Kaneez]

    Dear Ms Fatima,

    Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] had also narrated two very important Hadiths which Shia often quote 1 - Hadith Thaqalain [Two Weighty Things - Quran and Ahl Al Bayt] 2 - Ghadeer Khum. I wonder did Hazrat Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] concoct [God Forbid] these Hadith as well.

    References:

    Subject: Narrators of Hadith-e-Thaqalain

    14. Abu Hurayrah, `Abd al­Rahman ibn Sakhr (d. 59/679).

    Abu Bakr al­ Bazzaz,

    Shams al­ Din al­ Sakhawi,

    Jalal al­ Din al­ Suyuti,

    Ahmad ibn al­ Fadl ibn Ba Kathir,

    Nur al­Din al­ Samhudi,

    Mahmud ibn Muhammad al­ Shaykhani al­ Qadiri.

    Subject: Narrator of Ghadeer Khum:

    Haafiz Abu Bakr Khateeb Baghdadi has narrated this tradition from Abu Huraira [May Allah be pleased with him] in his book of history.

    Q - 3 - Umar the caliph. [Ms Kaneez]

    Caliph Omar [May Allah be pleased with him] is also your Caliph and he was son-in-law of Hazrat Ali [May Allah be pleased with him]

    I will just restrict myself to Giant Shia Scholars to prove that Syeda Umme Khulthum [May Allah have mercy on her soul] was the lawfull wife of Hazrat Omar Ibn Khattab [May Allah be pleased with him] and if you deny that Scholar and his Hadith then basically you are denouncing Infallible Imam of Shia School of thought:

    What's this?

    Usool al- Kafi that is a collection narrations and traditions attributed to the Shiite Imams, Ahlul Bayt and the Prophet. Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars said and declared . Its author is Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKulayni (A VERY reliable Shia Scholar, died in 328 H). Some Shi'ites scholars believe usool Al-Kafi was presented to the legendary Imam Qaem who liked it and said: "It suffices our Shi'ites" (al-Tharee'ah ela Tasaneef al-Shi'a: Agha Buzurg al-Tahraani; vol.17, p.245)


    Narration through Imam Jaffer [May Allah have mercy on his soul]:

    Umme Khutlthum was the wife of Omar [Firoa Kaafi Bab Tazweej Umme Khulthum Kitabun Nikah 346/5, Kitabut Talqq 115/6, another report from Hazrat Sadiq in Kaafi 116/6, in Tehzeebul Ahkam by Abu Jafar Mohammad Bin Hasan Tusi reported the narrtions of Kaafi regarding Hazrat Omar Marriage with Syeda Khulthum, the same Tusi in his another book Kitabul Istibsar 352/3 also narrates about this marriage]

    Imam Jaffer narrates from his father Mohammad Baqir that Umme Khulthum Bin Ali and her son Ziad Bin Omar Bin Khattab [from Hazrat Omar to Umme Khulthum] died in the same year [Tehzeeb al Ahkam Kiltabul Miras 262/9 by Abu Jafar Mohammad Bin Hasan Tusi]


    A DETAILED SHIA SOURCE ON THE MARRIAGE OF HAZRAT OMAR BIN KHATTAB WITH UMME-KULTHUM BIN ALI:

    The fourth century after the Hijrah witnessed the compilation of Muhammad ibn Ya‘qub al-Kulayni’s monmumental work al-Kafi. This work enjoys the following distinctions:

    in it the author sought to document the minor compilations of Shi‘i hadith by previous authors into one major compendium

    it was compiled in Baghdad during the Minor Occultation of the Hidden Imam (as stated by Aqa Buzurg Tehrani in adh-Dhari‘ah, vol. 17 p. 245) at a time when the representative of the Imam resided in that city, which afforded the opportunity for its contents to be scrutinised an ratified by the Imam himself (as stated by Ibn Tawus in his book Kashf al-Mahajjah, p. 159) This is in itself proof of the authenticity of the narrations contained in the book (says al-Hurr al-‘Amili in Wasa’il ash-Shi‘ah, vol. 20 p. 71).

    it actually bears the seal of approval of the Hidden Imam himself, and he was the one who named it "al-Kafi" (meaning "sufficient") by saying, as reported by al-Khwansari in Rawdat al-Jannat (vol. 6 p.116): "hadha kafin li-shi‘atina" (This is sufficient for our Shi‘ah).

    In this work the author has documented at least FOUR traditions to the Imams which affirm the marriage of Umm Kulthum to ‘Umar. In fact, he has devoted the 23rd chapter in the Book on Marriage (Kitab an-Nikah) in Furu‘ al-Kafi to the marriage of Umm Kulthum (bab tazwij Umm Kulthum). Two of the four traditions are contained in this chapter, while the other two are found in a related chapter on where a widow whose husband has died should spend her waiting period, or ‘iddah (bab al-mutawaffa ‘anha zawjuha al-madkhul biha ayna ta‘taddu wa ma yajibu ‘alayha).

    However some of these traditions impart a unique flavour to the entire episode, in that now for the first time it becomes presented as a marriage concluded by sheer force and terror, in which ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, for all his nobility and courage, could not protect his young daughter, and was compelled, on threat of physical violence to his person, to give her to the khalifah. The traditions documented in al-Kafi are as follows:

    ‘Ali ibn Ibrahim—from his father—from Ibn Abi ‘Umayr—from Hisham ibn Salim and Hammad—from Zurarah, who narrates that

    —Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq said regarding the marriage of Umm Kulthum: "That was a ‘woman’ who was taken from us by force." (Furu‘ al-Kafi, vol. 5 p. 347, Dar al-Adwa, Beirut 1992)

    [The word ‘woman’ here is an attempt from the writer of this article to preserve the honour of the Ahl al-Bayt, since a literal translation of the original Arabic would prove too vulgar.]

    Muhammad ibn Abi ‘Umayr—Hisham ibn Salim, who narrates that

    —Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq said: "When [‘Umar] proposed to Amir al-Mu’minin, he said, ‘She is a child.’

    Then he [‘Umar] met ‘Abbas and asked him, ‘What is wrong with me? Is there a problem with me?’ ‘Abbas asked, ‘Why?’ ‘Umar replied, ‘I asked your nephew for his daughter’s hand in marriage, and he rejected me. Oh, I swear by Allah, I will fill the well of Zamzam with earth, I will destroy every honour that you have, and I will set up two witnesses to testify that he stole, that I may cut off his right hand.’

    ‘Abbas thereupon came to ‘Ali and informed him of what had transpired. He asked ‘Ali to put the matter in his hands, and ‘Ali complied." (Furu‘ al-Kafi, vol. 5 p. 347-348, Dar al-Adwa, Beirut 1992)

    Humayd ibn Ziyad—Ibn Sama‘ah—Muhammad ibn Ziyad—‘Abdullah ibn Sinan—Mu‘awiyah ibn ‘Ammar—Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq:

    —[Mu‘awiyah ibn ‘Ammar says:] I asked him about a woman whose husband died: Should she spend her ‘iddah in her house, or where she wants to? He replied, "Where she wants to. When ‘Umar died, ‘Ali u came and took Umm Kulthum to his house." (Furu‘ al-Kafi, vol. 6 p. 117, Dar al-Adwa, Beirut 1992)

    Muhammad ibn Yahya and others—Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Isa—al-Husayn ibn Sa‘id—an-Nadr ibn Suwayd—Hisham ibn Salim—Sulayman ibn Khalid, who says:

    —I asked Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq about the woman whose husband has died: Where should she spend her ‘iddah? In her husband’s house, or where she wants to? He said: "Where she wants to. When ‘Umar died, ‘Ali u came, took Umm Kulthum by the hand, and took her to his house." (Furu‘ al-Kafi, vol. 6 p. 117, Dar al-Adwa, Beirut 1992)

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  • still curious, no proper counters from Mr. Amir Moghul and Jamshed basha to the post below by Mrs. Kaneez

     

    12/17/2008 6:12:22 PM Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez Fatima

     

    Amir Moghul 

    (the Islamic cowboy from the wilderness of  Pakistani / talibani version of Islam)

    First,  you were talking about Shiite law of inheritance now don’t change colours like a chameleon just like the three caliphs did in their time,  second,  Usoole-e-kaafi  which you quote all the time,  is  concocted and printed  in your backyard,  there is nothing like what you copy and paste all the time in your desperation.

    It is a historical fact that bagh-e- fedak was  a gift from a father to his beloved daughter in his lifetime,  so where does the question of heritance comes from? Amir Moghul you are a cheat and thief yourself Just like Abu baker UThman and Umar,  therefore, you will keep harping the same record without paying attention to what others have to say. I reiterate that Abu Baker Uthman and Umar will have to pay from their noses the land of faitma bint-e-Rasuul   which they usurped in a manner which was no less than blatant loot, on day of judgement Allah swt talah will settle their  score for once and all and as of now during barzak these three foxes in Islam must be reeling under harshest of punishment.

    Nb: next time you don’t understand what I have written, take tuition, comprehend the subject, and then reply, don’t just waste time for the sake of writing.

     

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  • Curious again as why Amir Moghul and Jamshed Basha combine could not debate with Mrs. Kaneez on the following topics ?

     

    Amir Moghul  

    (The Pakistani cowboy, who likes western Music and yet have the face to quote  hadith and Quran and  fantasises to be a direct descendent of Moghul dynasty)

    Why are you hopping from one place to another without giving proper reply to questions you still have to answer? Or is it, that you have  run out of concocted material in your kitty ?

     MUSLIM IS A MUSLIM AND SHIA AMONG  MUSLIMS IS A COMPLETE MUSLIM ask your dead uncle Chaghtai Khan bla bla,  he will tell ya,  that Shia means  friend  of Ahlul-bait,  this introductions is very important when surrounded by Jahils and enemy of Ahlul-bait such as yourself. So now Mr. dimwit I believe you understand  why we SHIA’S  proudly mention that Alhamdo llillah I am a SHIA

     As regard to your mention that    Umar the caliph was  some  **** -in-law as you claim,  I would not offer him a sweepers job in my  house as he is destined to  burn in hell  and all those who follow him are hell bound too.

    Just to refresh your memory !!

    “AMIR  MUGHAL 

    (the Islamic cowboy who is fond of western Music  and who quotes the Holy Quran and hadith  out of context and without provocation )

    I know it from very long that you are an Idiot and with each post you prove my point...this is where you prove your jahiliat  Amir Moghul  “A more astounding revelation—of which many people happen to be uninformed—is the fact that in the Fiqh of the Imami Shi‘ah a woman does not inherit land or fixed property. How is it that the Shi‘ah accept it for Sayyidah Fatimah radiyallahu‘anha to inherit Fadak, when their own jurisprudence does not allow the succession of a woman to land or fixed property:  (Amir Moghul) This is bull**** Amir Moghul, I am a Shiite and have inherited legally 2.5 acre land from my parents and this is my share from among five siblings. So don’t litter your garbage where it does not belong.

    Now Mr. Cowboy, how does the question of girl child inheritance arise in case of only one child? Also Fedak was given to his only daughter by the Prophet pbuh himself in his lifetime so it was more a valued gift than just inheritance.

    It is because of the three caliph’s this wrongful and blatant land grabbing, Allah swt has already warned in the Quran of severe punishment for those who usurp land belonging to someone else. What to mention of snatching the property of the only daughter of Allah swt’s most beloved Prophet pbuh’

    Good you raised the question of FEDAK ...I reiterate,  all the three caliphs Abu baker, Umar and Uthman  were thieves and usurpers and they will have to pay from their noses on the day of judgement,  Inshallah amen.”

     

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  • Just curious as to

    why amir moghul

    could not reply to

    this message of

    Mrs.  kaneez?

     

     

    12/19/2008 6:26:44 PM

     Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez  wrote:

     

    Amir moghul  (The Pakistani cowboy, who likes western Music and yet have the face to quote  hadith and Quran and  fantasises to be a direct descendent of Moghul dynasty )

     

    I reiterate that Abu huraira lanati was one of the most notorious concoctors of hadith and Mr. Moghul you are not so stupid so as not to know,  that any concoctor of religious material (like yourself), deftly weaves false with the truth,  so that  the same may pass as all truth,  and the people with weak faith such as yourself  be fooled by it, to discern a hadith to be right and free of concoction, one has to have true Islam and faith, and this faith comes from the love of Prophet pbuh and his beloved family, which unfortunately you are deprived of,  due to your connivance with the devil.

     

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  • "well done mr saf rizvi you have really taken the senile Jamshed Basha the Jahil Julaha  and the cowboy Amir Moghul left right and centre these lanati Kafirs deserve no less kicking in their kafir butts"

     

    12/26/2008 11:45:00 PM      SAF RIZVI

    Hi  Jamsheed !!!

     

    You know what old man??? I can sum up your entire existence in only one word and that is, ‘Pathetic’….You may continue to bask in your ignorant  bliss, no one has time to respond to your flag waving polemics. Ms kaneez,  rightly address you as the senile Basha or the Jahil Julaha. You may hang on to the to the tentacles of the Yazeed  lanati and swallow as much  shit as you can digest, your taste,  your life.

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  • They no longer got the right to stay within the fold of Islam till they renounce their mythology and converted themselves as Sunni Muslims, like their leader Jinnah did before going over to Pakistan. [Jamsheed]

    ======================================

    Dear Mr Jamsheed,

    Some Historical Facts about Late. Muhammad Ali Jinnah's Religion:

    On 24 September 1948, after the demise of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, his sister Fatimah Jinnah and the then Prime Minister of Pakistan, Liaquat Ali Khan, submitted a jointly signed petition at the Karachi High Court, describing Jinnah as ‘Shia Khoja Mohamedan’ and praying that his will may be disposed of under Shia inheritance law. On 6 February, 1968 after Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah'’ demise the previous year, her sister Shirin Bai, moved an application at the High Court claiming Fatimah Jinnah’s property under the Shia inheritance law on grounds that the deceased was a Shia. As per Mr. I. H. Ispahani who was a family friend of Jinnah, revealed that Jinnah had himself told him in 1936 that he and his family had converted to Shiism after his return from England in 1894. He said that Jinnah had married Ruttie Bai according to the Shia ritual during which she was represented by a Shia scholar of Bombay, and Jinnah was represented by his Shia friend, Raja Sahib of Mehmoodabad. He however conceded that Jinnah was opposed in Bombay elections by a Shia Conference canditate. Ispahani was present when Miss Fatima Jinnah died in 1967. He himself arranged the Ghusl and Janaza {Funeral Bath and Funeral} for her at Mohatta Palace according to the Shia Ritual before handing over the body to the state. Her Sunni Namaz-e-Janaza was held later at Polo Ground, Karachi after which she was buried next to her brother at a spot chosen by Ispahani inside the mausoleum. Ritualistic Shia talqin (last advice to the deceased) was done after her dead body was lowered into the grave. (Jinnah had arranged for talqin for Ruttie Bai too when she died in 1929). Allama Syed Anisul Husnain, a Shia scholar, deposed that he had arranged the gusl of the Quaid on the instructions of Miss Fatimah Jinah. He led his Namaz-e-Janaza in a room of the Governor General’s House at which such luminaries as Yousuf Haroon, Hashim Raza, and Aftab Hatim Alvi were present, while Liaquat Ali Khan waited outside the room. After the Shia ritual, the body was handed over to the state and Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani, an alim belonging to Deoband school of thought known for its anti-Shia belief, read his Janaza according the Sunni ritual at the ground where the mausoleum was later constructed. Other witnesses confirmed that after the demise of Miss Fatimah Jinnah, alam and panja (two Shia symbols) were discovered from her residence, Mohatta Palace. Despite all this Jinnah kept himself away from Shia politics. He was not a Shia; he was also not a Sunni; he was simply a Muslim.  

     

    [PAKISTAN: Behind the Ideological Mask (Facts About Great Men We Don’t Want to Know) by Khaled Ahmed, published by VANGUARD Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad. The Murder of History: A critique of history textbooks used in Pakistan by K.K. Aziz, published by VANGUARD Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad].

     

    Secular Republic or Islamic Republic of Pakistan

     

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/secular-republic-or-islamic-republic-of.html

     

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • I am really grateful to Aamir Moghul who quoted extensively from the Shiite literature to prove that  Moulana Abbas Ali Naqvi, the Shiite, was a liar and he lied that there was no "Tabarrah" in Shiite which is their core character. Amir Moughal has also proved that the Shiites do not believe in the present Quran, which according to them was corrupted by the Ashabe Rasool RA (Nawoozubillah) and the original Quran was taken away by 4 year old Mehdi into hiding and will come up when the whole world is doomed. Does it appeal to any logic? If that Quran is original according to their belief, what is the use of that Quran which comes at the end of the world. This is purely a mythology created by the Zorastrian story writers like Tibri and followed by the modern day Khomeni, a lunatic and hypocrite self appointed Imam of Shiite religion. He owed to destroy the graves of Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umar RAA, if he captures Medina. This medieval man is not alive to live upto his dream. Now it is time to exume his body and throw it in the Arabian sea for his thoughts on the rightly guided caliphs of Islam, who were declared as Jannati in their life time itself. Lanat on such a Imam called Khomeni. Today the followers of Khomeni are in abundance in India and they are the followers of Jinnah also, who was khoja shia. They need to be packed off either to Iran or Pakistan. They do not have any right to live in our India which is the land of Sunni Muslims and Hindus.

    Kaneez was running out of ideas, so she copied her earlier lanati statement and the shit he is in Rizvi, is still dreaming while living in the quaqmire of filth. I must really appreciate Sadiq Jaffari, who really has the courage to call the lanata Shiite as Kafirs, which they deserved since they altered the basic tenets of Islam. They no longer got the right to stay within the fold of Islam till they renounce their mythology and converted themselves as Sunni Muslims, like their leader Jinnah did before going over to Pakistan. Barelvi, the ill informed half baked urdu spitting lunatic has usually spat fire on Sadiq for he told the truth. If these shiites have really read the Islamic history, let them come out with some details whether there was any achievement worth the name during Ali RA and Hussein Ra period. While Ali Ra was busy fighting over his own rebels, while Husseiin Ra revolted in his short life against the Great Caliph Yazeed RA but failed to muster support. The so called Kufans, shiites, ditched him of the support they promised. These shiites were ghadars who ditched Hussein Ra and now singing in his praise. What a hypocricy? Will anyone buy their story except the Iranians?

    By A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India -



  • Late Maulana Maudoodi [the founder ideologue of Jamaat-e-Islami] was also of the same opinion; indeed he took a scientific approach. He thought that the differences of opinion among the Sahabees must be discussed and criticized so that the followers of the Prophet (PBUH), the Ummat-e-Rasool, are saved from such mistakes in future.  - Dr. Maulana Abbas Ali Naqvi

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    Courtesy: Dr Shabbir Ahmed http://www.ourbeacon.com/

    THE MULLAH-IN-CHIEF OF THE 20TH CENTURY: MAUDUDI (1903-1979)

    We will have to be brief about Maududi since he has written volumes upon volumes of nonsense. But a few glimpses should sufficiently demonstrate how the Mullah is playing god to his fans even after his death. Read the details and laugh or lament.

    A different view on Maulana Mawdudi [Jamat-e-Islami]

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/different-view-on-maulana-mawdudi-jamat.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  •  

    copied from elsewhere in newageislam.com itself

    12/22/2008 9:18:21 PM

    Mrs. Sayyeda Kaneez

     

    In response to the  garbling of the senile Jamshed Basha and Amir Moghul (the Islamic cowboy in the wilderness of talibani version of Ilsam)

     

    The most polite, decent and  human response,  that I can think of,  Is  to send  Lanat on the three Usurpers,  who were unfortunately the first three caliphs in the history of Islam, and also send LANAT on all the ancestors of Jamshed Basha  ie.   Yazeed , Muawia Abu sufian abu Jahel and also all the concoctors of hadith to glorify the foxes in Islam and also send  Lanat on all those who draw a Parallel between the Prophet pbuh and his beloved pure  progeny and  the  hidden kuffars in Islam whom the likes of Jamsed Basha and his partner in crime Amir Moghul, the Islamic cow Boy, who is fond of western Music and has the audacity to quote the Hadith and Quran as if he is the most pious practicing Muslim, but he fails to understand  that as long as people of true faith and complete Islam, the Shiites are alive, the hypocrites and liars and pretenders within Islam will be blatantly exposed and shoes will always be thrown on their faces no matter how deftly they may duck. So I send LANAT now, and would continue to Beseech Allah swt to send Lanat on all the hidden enemies of the Prophet pbuh and his progeny. Alhamdo lillah’  each lanat I send upon the enemies of the Prophet pbuh and his progeny  carries more weight in the eyes of Allah swt  than the hundred good deeds done by the pretenders in Islam. Long live Shia-e-ne-Alhlulbait, long live the real Islam. Down with the Islam of the three caliphs and lanatis and their followers the Talibanis, the Wahabis, the Bashas and MOghuls, the present Day Terrorists Disguised as Muslims.

     

    By Humrazz -



  •  

    Sadiq jaffri sahab

     

    Tumhara baap kafir,  tumhari amma kafir, aur tumhara saara khaandaan kafir…Maine kah diya aur sab ke sab kafir ho gaye,  Wah bhai Wah.!!  Tumharey jaise talibani jahilon ne aaj Islam pe ye bura din laya hai,  kab niklo ge apne jehalat aur wahabiyat  ke iss dal dal se ? ya fir iblees ki ungli thaam ke jahennum me jaane ka entezaar karoge?

     

    By ASLAM KHAN BAREILVI -



  • Hi  Jamsheed !!!

     

    You know what old man??? I can sum up your entire existence in only one word and that is, ‘Pathetic’….You may continue to bask in your ignorant  bliss, no one has time to respond to your flag waving polemics. Ms kaneez,  rightly address you as the senile Basha or the Jahil Julaha. You may hang on to the to the tentacles of the Yazeed  lanati and swallow as much  shit as you can digest, your taste,  your life.

    By SAF RIZVI -



  • dear editor

      i congratulate you for allowing various comments, most of which disagree with the comments in your above article (no surprise as the writer 's comments are a fake)

    my comments is that the columnist is uknown and talks about muslim unity, yet he chooses to rubbish a master of relegion who has knowlwdge and  is a rarity in this world. if you look into dr. zakir's comments reflecting the koran, you will learn that islam is a relegion of unity. in my opinion, the writer must be a zionist or a zionist sympathsier. zionists already control most western thinking, media and influence and we do not need them here, disguising themselves as muslims 

    By mart -



  • kafir, kafir, shia kafir!!!

    you are like the Jews among the Muslims!!!

    By sadiq jaafri -



  • As far as the blame for “Tabarrah” is concerned, it is absolutely unsubstantiated. People like Dr. Zakir Naik have been making such allegations for long to destroy the Muslim unity. The Shias also respect the Sahabees as much as Ahl-e-Sunnat do but they don’t consider them as “innocents” like the Ahl-e-Sunnat. They believe that those people, who are not innocents, can be criticized. Late Maulana Maudoodi [the founder ideologue of Jamaat-e-Islami] was also of the same opinion; indeed he took a scientific approach. He thought that the differences of opinion among the Sahabees must be discussed and criticized so that the followers of the Prophet (PBUH), the Ummat-e-Rasool, are saved from such mistakes in future.  - Dr. Maulana Abbas Ali Naqvi

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    Dear Editor,

    Tabarrah means ''Tabarra means acquitall, washing one's hands from something, repudiation, moving away, distancing oneself, etc. etc.'' (actually it what it means in the dictionary...of course that's not they actually do), ''cursing is also Tabarrah'', ''Tabarra can also mean to express disgust''

    The author above is lying through his teeth because authentic Shia books [Persian and its English Translation] is as under to judge:


















     

    "QUOTE"

    Usool al- Kafi that is a collection narrations and traditions attributed to the Shiite Imams, Ahlul Bayt and the Prophet. Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars said and declared . Its author is Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKulayni (A VERY reliable Shia Scholar, died in 328 H). Some Shi'ites scholars believe usool Al-Kafi was presented to the legendary Imam Qaem who liked it and said: "It suffices our Shi'ites" (al-Tharee'ah ela Tasaneef al-Shi'a: Agha Buzurg al-Tahraani; vol.17, p.245)

    [9] Sahabah (R.H) became infidel by denying the divine right (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali. First three caliph and other Sahabas became infidel by denying the divine right of (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali. (Al Kafi, Page No. 420)

    Nuri Tibiris, one of the most renowned Shi'ite scholars and mujtahids, wrote a book against the present Quran. The book is entitled: 'Faslul Khitab Fi Tahreefi-Kitabi Rabbil Arbaab' (The Final Verdict on the Distortion of the Book of the Lord of Lords).

     

     Khomeini mentions this scholar with great respect in his own book 'A1Hukumatul Islamiyah" (The Islamic State). In fact, Khomeini has actually used Nuri Tibiris's work entitled "Mustadrakul Wasail" to complete his theory of Wilayatul Faqih.

    [Wilayatul Faqih is the Islamic jurist's right to overrule a ruling that contradicts Islamic law.]

    Khomeini writes about Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Omar (R.A.):

     

    "Those people who, in their envy to rule, attached themselves to the Deen of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and formed their own cliques could not possibly refrain from their actions on the bases of Quranic advice. They had to materialise their aims at any cost." (Kashful Asraar: 114)

    He also writes:

     

    'Those who had no affiliation with the Quran and Islam except through their desire for the world and power. They had made the Qurun a vehicle to promote their agenda. (Ibid)

    In his book Kashful Asraar, Khomeni has dedicated a whole chapter to Hazrat Abu Bakr's opposition to the Quran and another chapter to the Omar's opposition. (Ibid: 114 & 117)

    He has then continued to write a chapter on how to answer the critiques of the Ahlus Sunnah W'al Jama'ah with the heading: "An eye on the answers of the foolish." (Ibid: 120)

     

    Khomeni writes about Hazrat Uthman (R.A.):

     

    "We worship and recognise only that God Whose actions are based on concrete rationalism and Who does not rule against that rationalism. We do not worship a god who creates a building for Divine worship and justice and then strives to destroy that very building himself by giving authority to rascals like Yazid, Mu'awiyah and Uthman". (Ibid: 107)

    Mullah Muhammed bin Yaqoob Kulaini, the most prominent Shi'ite scholar of Hadith, quotes Imam Baqir as saying:

    'People became apostates after the death of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), except for three people: Miqdad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr Ghifari and Salmaan Farsi.' He continues:

    'Abu Bakr and Omar did not repent before they parted the world. In fact, they did not even mention what they had done to Ali. So may Allah, His angels and all of mankind curse them. (Furu'ul Kafi: Kitabul Rauda: 115)

    Mullah Baqir writes:

    'Regarding the doctrine of' 'Tabarri' we believe that we should seek disassociation from four idols namely, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Mu'awiyah; from four women namely, Ayesha, Hafsa, Hind and Ummul Hakam, along with all their associates and followers. 'These are the worst creation of Allah. It is not possible to believe in Allah, His Messenger and the Imams without disassociating oneself from their enemies. (Haqqul Yaqeen: 2:519)

    [The doctrine of 'Tabarri' means to have no association with the enemies of Allah.]

    Mullah Baqir writes:

    'One should say after each prayer: O Allah! Curse Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman, Mu'awiyah, Ayesha, Hafsa, Hind and Ummul Hakam. (Aynul Hayat: 599)

    The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), came to a person from the Ansaar and asked him if he had any food. The Ansaari said he had and slaughtered a goat. The man then grilled some meat and presented it to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) who wished that Ali, Fathima, Hasan and Hussain were present with him. Then Abu Bakr and Omar arrived. Ali also arrived shortly after. Allah then revealed the verse:

    'We have never sent any messenger prophet or Muhaddath before except that when ever they desired something, the devil interfered in their desire.' (The Prophet then said) This is just as the devil has sent his two agents here right now (Abu Bakr and Omar). (The footnotes of Maqbool's translation: Surah Hajj: 674)

    [Muhaddath is a non-prophet but he is inspired by Allah]

    Mullah Baqir Majlisi writes:

    'Pharaoh and Hamaan refer here to Abu Bakr and Omar. (Haqqul Yaqeen: 342)

    The same author also says:

    'The references in big books about the illegitimate birth of Omar cannot be discussed in this book. (Ibid: 259)

    Allah says in Surah Nahl (90):

    "And He prevents you from immorality, unlawfulness and rebellion.'

    Ali ibn Ibrahim AI-Qummi comments on this verse:

    'These three vices refer to so and so, so and so and so and so.' (Al Qummi's commentary: 218)

    Any ambiguity is cleared by the following comment: 'Immorality refers to the first person (Abu Bakr); unlawfulness refers to the second (Omar) and rebellion refers to the third (Uthman). (Footnotes to Maqbool's translation: 522)

    Mullah Baqir narrates a story from Imam Zainul Abideen that a man came to the Imam and asked him to inform him about Abu Bakr and Omar. The Imam informed him that they were both non-believers. (Haqqul Yaqeen: 551)

    All The Sahaba Kiraam Radiyallahu Anhum Are Kaafirs and Apostates (Na'udhu billah).

    The shi'ite scholor of Hadith, Ni' matullah Jazaa-i-rii writes in the 'Anwaare nomaaniyyah' page 245, vol.2.: "The shia Imaamiyyah are of the opinion that the khilafah of Hazrat Ali (Radiyallahhu Anhu) is by nassi jalli (clear text) and all the sahabah (Radiyallahu Anhum), are kafirs, and continue to slander them. They (shias) believe in the imaamah of Jafar Sadiq, (Rehmatullah Alayhi), and his sinless offspring. The author of this book belongs to this group and only this sect is successful and saved (from jahannum). Abii Jafar (Imaam Baqir) says that after Rasulullah, (Sallalahu Alayhi Wasallam), all the sahaba became murtid (turn apostate) apart from these: Miqdad Bin Aswad, abu Zar Ghafari and Salaman Farsi (Radiyallahu Anhum). They refused to make Bayah (pay allegiance) to (Sayyidinaa) Abu Bakr, (Radiyallahu Anhu), until they called Amirul Momineen. He made Bayah. Then the three of them also made bayah. Hence all agreed upon the khilaafah of (Sayyidina) Abu Bakr. [Usol-e-kafi, vol.2.; Raudah kaafi, page246; Rijal Kashi, page 504.]

    IN QUOTATIONS :

    1.) They say all Sahabah (R.A) companions except 3 left Islaam after demise of Nabi (S.A.W).

    2.) They say Abu Bakr(R.A) Umar(R.A) and Uthmaan (R.A) robbed Ali(R.A) of his position of being Khalif.

    3.) They say Umar(R.A) was a 'Original Kaafir' and 'Zindiq'-renegrade.

    4.) "Abu Huraira (R.A) was one of the fuquaha, but god knows what judement he falsified for Muaw'iyya and      others like him, and what damage He inflicted upon Islaam."

    5.) They say Abu Huraira (R.A) used to fabricate Ahadith.

    6.) They say Muawiyya (R.A) poisoined Hassan(R.A).

    7.) They say Muawiya (R.A) was a tyrant opressive ruler.

    8.) They say Qazi Shurray (R.A) used to issue judicial pronouncement in favour of the ruling party. He was a      sinful wretch occupying position of Judge.

    9.) One should dissociate with the 4 idols: Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan, Muawiyya and 4 women Ayesha,    Hafsa, Harid, Umm- al- Hakam.

    10.)One should curse the above after each prayer.

    11.) Pharoah and Hamaan refer here to Abu Bakr and Umar.

    References:

    (1.) Anwaar - No'maan Niyyah - P245. Vol 2. Nimatullah Jafaari./ Furu Kafi, Kitaabul Raudah :15 - Mullah Muhammad bin Yaqoob Kulaini Vol 3 P115/ Usul -e-Kafi Vol 2, P 246 Rijaal Kashsi P504.

    (2.) Al- Ihtijaaj - Tibrasi 83, 84./Haqqul Yaqeen, P 157.

    (3.) Haqqul Yaqeen , 551/Kashful Asraar P119.

    (4.) P 143 - Islam goverment.

    (5.) Islaamic Goverment

    (6.) Al-Anwaar un Nomaniyyah - Vol 2. P88-87 Jazaari.

    (7.) Ibid.

    (8.) P81, Isl/ gov.

    (9.) Haqqul Yaqeen- Vol. 2 P519/ Furru Kaafi P342 Vol 3/ Jilaa - ul- Uyoom -P45 - 46/ Hayaatul Quluub P 375.

    (10.) Ainul Hayaa P559.

    (11.) Haqqul Yaqeen P342.

    12.) Faathima should complain about Ali's big stomach, no wealth and bad features.

    13.) Abu Bakr and Umar are Kaafirs

    14.) Abu Bakr is calf on Bani Israel.

    15.) Ali is a mosquito and a fly.

    16.) What did the Zuleikha of Makkah, Bibi Ayesha have, that the 50 year old Nabi (S.A.W) got moved to  her.

    17.) Nabi (S.A.W) accepted (in marriage) an uncouth person such as Hafsa. Not withsatanding the fact that        she was a widow and facially deformed.

    18.) Imaan refers to Ameerul- Mu'mineen (Ali), Kufr refers to Abu Bakr, fisq(weakness) refers To Umar,          isyaan(disobedient) Usman in Surah Hujuraat.

    19.) Umar is an illegeitimate child.

    20.) Abu Bakr and Umar are worse than Shaithaan and they are dwellers of Jahannam.

    21.) "When I entre Makkah and Madinah as the conqueror, my first duty will be to go to the grave of Huzoor        (S.A.W) and exhume the bodies of the two idols."

    22.)"We shia's know the three Sahabah's(Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan) as being void of Imaan"

    References:

    (12.) Mullah Baqir - Jilal Uyoon- 58 Chapter on Faathima.

    (13.) Haqqul Yaqeen - P552.

    (14.) Haqqul Yaqeen - Tafseer Qummi P160.

    (15.) Tafseer Qummi P29.

    (16.) Haqeeat Fiqh Hanafi P64 /Ghulaam Hussain Naqui.

    (17.) Ibid P124.

    (18.) Usul-e- Kafi P229. Vol 2.

    (19.) Tazkiratul Aimma - P103-4.

    (20.) Haqqul Yaqeen - P509 - 510.

    (21.) Kitaab be Noujawanaan - P8.

    ( 22.) Tajalliyaar-e-Sadaqaat - P201- Muhammed Hussain Dhelvi.

    MORE ABOUT SHIA'ISM AND SAHAABAH :

    The most authentic book of theology of Shi'ism is Al-Jamiul Kafi. In this book in the section, Kitabur Raudha', the following narration is attributed to the fifth Shi', Imam:

    "After Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) all people became murtads (reneged from Islam) except three persons - Miqdad Bin Aswad, Abu Tharr Ghifari and Salman Farsi Radiallahu Anhum wabarakatuhum). "

    In the Shi'i book, Kitabur Raudhah, the following narration is attributed to Imam Baqir who allegedly made the statement in reply to his disciple who had sought the Imam's opinion regarding Hadhrat Abu Bakr and Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhuma)

    "What are you asking me about them (Abu Bakr and Umar)? Whoever among us (i.e. the Ahle Bait or the progeny of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) departed from this world, departed in a state of extreme displeasure with them. The elders among us admonished the younger ones to perpetuate it (i.e. this displeasure with Abu Bakr and Umar), Verily, the two of them have unjustly usurped our right. By Allah! These two were the first to settle on our necks (i.e. the necks of the Ahle Bait). Therefore, may the la'nat (curse) of Allah, the Malaikah and of mankind be on the two of them.

    (Kitabur Raudhah, Page 115)

    In the same book, on the same page appears the following:

    "Verily. these two elders (Abu Bakr and Umar) departed from this world without having made taubah for what they had perpetrated against Ameerul Mumineen Alayhis Salaam. In fact, they did not even think of us (of their wrongs against Hadhrat Ali). Therefore, the la'nat of Allah, the Malaikah and of mankind be on them."

    In the Shiah book, Rijal Kashi, Hadhrat Abu Bakr and Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhuma) are denigrated in the following narration attributed to Imam Baqir:

    "Whatever murder is committed in Islam, whatever unlawful wealth is earned and whatever adultery is committed until the appearance of our Imam Mahdi - the sin of all this is on the necks of the two (i.e. Abu Bakr and Umar). (Rijal Kashi, page 135)

    In Kitabur Raudhah on pages 159/160, the Shiahs attribute a narration to Hadhrat Salman Farsi (Radiallahu Anhu) in which it is claimed that on the occasion when the oath of allegiance was given to Hadhrat Abu Bakr (Radiallahu Anhu), the first person to swear allegiance to him was an old man who stepped forward crying:

    "All praise to Allah who has not caused me to die yet, enabling me to see you on this pedestal. Stretch your hand. " Thus he (Abu Bakr) stretched his hand and the old man took the oath of allegiance (at his hand)."

    According to the narration, when Hadhrat Ali (Radiallahu Anhu) heard this from Hadhrat Salman (Radiallahu Anhu), he asked:

    "Do you know who he (the old man who took the oath of allegiance) is?"

    When Salman (Radiallahu Anhu) replied in the negative, Hadhrat Ali (Radiallahu Anhu) allegedly said:

    "That was Iblees, Allah has cursed him."

    Thus, according to Shi'ism, the first being who accepted the Khilafat of Hadhrat Abu Bakr (Radiallahu Anhu) was Iblees who placed his hand in the hand of Hadhrat Abu Bakr (Radiallahu Anhu).

    At the end of this narration in Kitabur Raudhah, the following words are attributed by the Shi'i priests to Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam).

    "Then, they (a group of the Saqeefah Bani Saidah) will come to the Musjid (i.e. Musjid-e-Nabawi) and the first to swear allegiance to him (i.e. Abu Bakr) on my Mimbar will be Iblees, the La'nat of Allah on him. Iblees will appear (on that occasion) in the form of an old man and say so (i.e. what Salman Faarsi has allegedly said)."

    Mullah Baqir Majlisi is a renowned personality in Shiah circles. He is regarded as a top-ranking Muhaddith. He flourished in the 10th century of the Hijri era. The Shi'i clergy has accorded him the title, Khatamul Muhadditheen (the seal of the Muhadditheen). His works are regarded as highly authoritative by the Shiah priests. Khomeini has praised and recommended his writings. This Shi'i priest, in his books, writes the following statements whenever he mentions the name of Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu)   

     
    "Umar Bin Khattab - on him be la'nat (curse) and athab (punishment).

    QURAN AS PER SHIA SCHOLARS.

    Nuri Tibiris, one of the most renowned Shi'ite scholars and mujtahids, wrote a book against the present Quran. The book is entitled: 'Faslul Khitab Fi Tahreefi-Kitabi Rabbil Arbaab' (The Final Verdict on the Distortion of the Book of the Lord of Lords).

    The Shiites assert that the existing Quran must have been altered, since there is no reference to any of their strayed beliefs in it. One of the first to explicitly state this view was Mirza Hussein Muhammad Taqiy al-Noori al-Tabrasi (d. 1320 AH) in his book The Final Verdict on the Distortion of the Book of the Lord of Lords. [Faslul Khitab Fi Tahreefi-Kitabi Rabbil Arbaab].

    Original Quran will not come into view till the manifestation of Imam Mehdi (SHIAs 12th Imam) (Na’uzubillah). [Anwaar-ul-Na' umania, Vol 2, Pg 360 - Published Iran]

    Collectors of Quran eliminated virtues of Prophet’s progeny from Surah Al-Ahzab which was about to the length of Surah Al-Bakrah.[Haq- ul-Yaqeen, Pg 66 - Published Iran]

    The Munafiqeen (i.e. Sahaba) took very much out of Quran (took out the verses). (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page #382).

    When Imaam Mehdi comes he will bring with him the real and original Quran. (Ahsan-ul-maqaal, page #336, safdar Husain najfi).

    The person who says that the present Quran is complete is a liar because the “complete Quran†was compiled by Hazrat Ali. (Fasl-ul-khitaab fee tahreef kitaab rab-ul- arbab, page #4, Noori Tibri).

    "Abu Baseer reported that he said to Imam Ja'far, "O Abu Abdullah (Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq) What is Mus-haf Fatimah?" He replied "It is a Qur'an containing three times what is found in your copy of the Qur'an; yet by Allah, it does not contain even a single letter from your Qur'an. (Al-Kafi vol.1 p.457)

    No one possess complete knowledge of Holy Qur'an except Imams. (Al Kafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 228)

    "UNQUOTE"

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • The Shias also respect the Sahabees as much as Ahl-e-Sunnat do but they don’t consider them as “innocents” like the Ahl-e-Sunnat. They believe that those people, who are not innocents, can be criticized. Late Maulana Maudoodi [the founder ideologue of Jamaat-e-Islami] was also of the same opinion; indeed he took a scientific approach. He thought that the differences of opinion among the Sahabees must be discussed and criticized so that the followers of the Prophet (PBUH), the Ummat-e-Rasool, are saved from such mistakes in future.  - Dr. Maulana Abbas Ali Naqvi

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    Same Mawdudi says;

    “In my opinion the person who criticizes the Sahaabah {Copmanions of the Prophet Mohammad – PBUH} is not only a flagrant sinner (Faasiq), but his Imaan (Faith) is also in doubt. [Tarjumanul Quran August 1961]"

    Abul-A'la Maududi: wrote an introduction to the book, "Ar-Riddah bain al-Ams wa al-Yaum" In it was written, regarding the Imami Ja'fari Shia, "despite their moderate views (relative to other shi'ia sects), they are swimming in disbelief like white bloodcells in blood or like fish in water."

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • Late Maulana Maudoodi [the founder ideologue of Jamaat-e-Islami] was also of the same opinion; indeed he took a scientific approach. He thought that the differences of opinion among the Sahabees must be discussed and criticized so that the followers of the Prophet (PBUH), the Ummat-e-Rasool, are saved from such mistakes in future.  - Dr. Maulana Abbas Ali Naqvi

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    Dear Editor,

    Mawdudi was and Jamat-e-Islami is the biggest and most sinister anarchy and calamity in the Muslim world, read their Anarchic Activities after Mawdudi settled in Pakistan.

    For example Khomeini once made a statement which was published in the Tehran times (Kitaab be Noujawanaan - P8) that if he conquers Madina Munawwarah, he will remove the two idols (Hadhrat Abu Bakr and Hadhrat Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) besides Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him). I am certain that no believer will accept such a statement against the great luminaries of Islam.  Are we then to condemn only Khomeini and condone Mawdudi knowing well that Mawdudi was a close friend of Khomeini and was sympathetic to his course. In a book titled, 'Two brothers - Maududi and Khomeini' page 129, the following statement of Dr Ahmad Farouk Maududi (son of Abul-A'ala Maududi) was published in Roz Naame, Lahore - 29 September 1979, "Allama Khomeini had a very old and close relationship with Abba Jaan (father). Aayaatullah Khomeini translated his (fathers) books in Farsi and included it as a subject in Qum. Allama Khomeini met my father in 1963 during Hajj and my father's wish was to create a revolutionary in Pakistan similar to Iran. He was concerned about the success of the Iranian revolution till his last breath.'

    The series of assassinations in Former East Pakistan [now Bangladesh] was started from 1969 when a Shams Duaa-Haa, professor of Chemistry in Rajshahi University, was assassinated in daylight. Let me explain what the Al-Badar and Al-Shams were and are?

    Al-Badar was and is militant wing of Jamait Islami and a paramilitary force formed in Bangladesh in 1971 by General Yahya INC. Al-Badar forget that what the real Jihad is ? And fight against the Muslims in Bangladesh, Bengalis use to call Al-Badar as "Butcher of Bangladesh." The Al Badar was assigned a variety of combat and non-combat tasks including taking part in the operations, spying against Bengali Intellectuals, interrogation, working as the guides for Tikka Khan and Niazi, assassination, detecting and killing Bengali intellectuals.

    The force was composed of madrassah students-teachers, supporters of Muslim League and Jamait Islami. History tell us that killings which began on 25 March 1971 and sparked the Bangladesh Liberation War and also led to the deaths of at least 26,000 people as admitted by Pakistan on one hand (by the Hamoodur Rahman Commission) and 3,000,000 by Bangladesh on the other hand, (From 1972 to 1975 the first post-war prime minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, mentioned on several occasions that at least three million died).

    Doctor Fazl Rabbi was an eye specialist; he was kidnapped by Al-Badar. Next day his body was found from a drainage line. His both eyes were vanished and there were marks of switchblade. “What should we think about such peccadilloes?”

    Butcher of Bangladesh I mean the ex-militants of Al-Badar are settled in UK and other European countries and they are appointed as cleric of mosques there. And I want to remind the readers that too, “Jamait Islami’s former leader Maulana Modudi had rejected the theory of Pakistan but since 1947, when Pakistan came into being, it is claimed by the leaders of Jamat Islami that they are playing leading role of toady.

    More on Jamaat-e-Islami [Neo-Kharijites]

    1 - Professor Ghafoor Ahmad of Jamat-e-Islami was a Federal Minister Production Industries in General Zia Martial Law Cabinet [1978-1979] [Reference Cabinet Division Pakistan] more

    Let me share the History of JI's Deviant Founder and it's Deviant Ideology as well as their Deviant Followers:

    1 -  Mawdoodi and Jamat-e-Islami Part - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/mawdoodi-and-jamat-e-islami-part-1.html

    2 - Mawdoodi and Jamat-e-Islami Part - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/mawdoodi-and-jamat-e-islami-part-2.html

    3 -  Mawdoodi and Jamat-e-Islami Part - 3

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/mawdoodi-and-jamat-e-islami-part-3.html

    4 - Mawdoodi and Jamat-e-Islami Part - 4

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/mawdoodi-and-jamat-e-islami-part-4.html

    Who Killed Bhuttos?

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/who-killed-bhuttos.html

    More on Jamaat-e-Islami:

    1 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 1

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami.html

    2 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 2

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_19.html

    3 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 3

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_8646.html

    4 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 4

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_5744.html

    5 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 5

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_5738.html

    6 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 6

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_9752.html

    7 -  Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 7

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_6579.html

    8 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 8

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_5480.html

    9 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 9

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_6679.html

    10 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 10

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_9736.html

    11 - Personal Preferences of Jamat-e-Islami - 11

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/personal-preferences-of-jamat-e-islami_963.html

    DESTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGIES OF [Mawdoodi, Qutub, Banna and A RAFIZI Jamaluddin Afghani] PUTTING MUSLIMS IN DOLDRUMS:

    1 - Militant Political Islam: Syed Qutub - I

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/militant-political-islam-syed-qutub-i.html

    2 - Militant Political Islam: Syed Qutub - II

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/militant-political-islam-syed-qutub-ii.html

    This Deviant Cult of Jamat-e-Islami under the very permission of Qazi Hussain Ahmed [Chief of JI Mafia - MMA] had sent their alliance leader i.e. Akram Khan Durrani [JUI-F] to the USA to defend Hasba Bill and guess what he was given a detailed tour of Pentagon and even more shocking is that that they visited the very same NEOCON LOBBY [Read Zionists] who were major backers of Rampant General Musharraf's Military Regime [1999-2008] and even more shameful that their spiritual God Father Mawlana Mawdoodi died in the same USA where his son used to live and against whom this deviant Jamat-e-Islami now preach to rise and protest. They were the one who supported General Zia's Martial Law and Mawdoodi ordered Professor Ghafoor to join General Zia's Martial Law Cabinet in 1978 as Federal Minister and they are the one who supported General Musharraf Illegal LFO/17 the Constitutional Amendment in 1973 Constitution.

    Read more in the link below:

    US Elections: Republicans or Democrats.  Sunday, October 12, 2008

    http://chagataikhan.blogspot.com/2008/10/us-elections-republicans-or-democrats_12.html

    By Aamir Mughal -



  • This is in response to Dr. Abbas Ali Naqvi 's article on Dr. Zakir Naik.

    I do not know who this Dr. Abbas Ali Naqvi is but from the article it appears that he must be either a Shiite himself or a follower of Shiite religion. There was nothing scholarly in this write up. He is still naive at so many places. He suffixes Hussein with Alaihissalam, which is reserved for only Prophets and Hussein Ra was no prophet. Secondly, he denied Shiites perform "Tabarrah" and questioned whether Dr. Zakir Naik had ever attended the Shiite congregation. I can't say for Dr. Zakir Naik, but I can say for myself that  I attended several of their congregations (Majlis) during Moharram as I was living in their locality. I hear their Azan, their kalima and their darood which was not related to what we the sunnis practice and passed on to us by Prophet Mohammed PBUH and Ashabe Rasool RAA/  I especially accompanied my father, who was fond of a Shiite Scholar  Ibne Hassan of UP, who was the Principal of Madrasatul Wayizeen in those days. We used to attend his congregations purely for his  oratory and eloquency rather than the contents of his speech. He spoke beautiful Urdu and till date I did not see any scholar who could hold candle to him. That is where we respected him. He used to speak depending upon the type of gathering. If the congregation consist of some of Sunnis, he would change the topic and desist from "Tabarrah". He would say in the beginning itself to satisfy the Shiite that "Jaise Mehfil hai, waisi hi Taqreer (speepch) hogi". He used to visit then Madras (Chennai) every year and I never missed his congregation in appreciation of the kind of eloquent Urdu he spoke. That was my special respect to him. He was not liked by many Shiites for he used to give speeches in Sunni congregations also, where he used to be specially invited for his scholarly speeches on "Meeaje Rasool". But unfortunately, not many in Shiite community could touch the standard of Ibne Hassan, the great orator, unfortunately from Shiite Religion.

    This apart, in many of the shitte congregation I attended, they start with darood no doubt, but a different one which they have invented which includes the name of the Ahelul Bayat which is a far cry from the one Said by Rasool PBUH himself and that of Ashabe Rasool. Then the Shiite Orator, starts lambasting Ashabe Rasool to start with particularly the first three Rightly Guided Caliphs. The Moulana claims that the shiite neve denigrate Ashabe Rasool. It is an utter lie. One could have seen many a readers on this web page like Kaneez, Rizvi and others have not only indulged in 'tabarrah' against the great caliphs but also against Ummul Momineen Bibi Ayeesha RA, using vilest of the languages that would put even a market maid to shame. This is the basic character of the followers of this religion. Do not say they never slander or curse the three rightly guided caliphs. To they were the enemy no.1 for they alleged to have usurped powers which should have gone first to Ali Ra.

    This Moulana says that Khomeni initiated Shia-Sunni unity. What kind unity he wanted. He wanted to save Iran from US and he badly needed support from the rest of the Islamic world. During his period, many Iranian shiites were seen   protesting against the Saudis during Haj . If Khomeni was a true scholarly man, he would not have claimed to be the 'representative' of the "Hidden" Mehdi who was communicating through him with the rest of the shiites. The religion that believes in such a myth like the 4 year old boy was their 12th Imam and he went missing with the "original" Qur'an to reappear one day to resurrect the past, and that the 'Imamate" is nothing but continuation of the prophethood and that Ali RA was their first Imam, certainly is not Islam. It was never to be.

    As for Dr. Zakir Naik's glorification of Yazid Rahmatullahi Alaihi is concerned, he did exactly what is rightly deserved. Imam Ghazzali, an authority on Islam, had said that calling Yazeed Rahmatullahi Alaihi was not only essential but also 'Mustahib" and endorsed by another scholarly man Ibne Taimiyah in his "Minhajul Islam".  Leave alone Islamic Scholars, a Great Historian like Arnold Toyanbee had said of Yazeed that he was the most maligned man in the history of mankind.  Goethe, a German philosopher, called Yazeed as more sinned against than sinning. By these statements, the stand taken by Dr. Zakir Naik stood vindicated on Yazeed Rahmatullah Alaihi. Is it then fair to say Yazeed paleed? Only a shiite can say this. Moulana Ali Naqvi must be a shiite as is evident from his not so impartial writings.

    Dr. Zakir Naik, is an Islamic Scholar of repute. To issue a fatwa of kufr on him by any standard is nothing but nonsense and an outrageous act which cannot be pardoned by Allah. He is a muslim and he has imaan in him. He hold some views, which to some may appear as 'wahhabism'. If you do not like him, do not listen to him, as I did. But do not ever call him a 'kafir' which is totally a third rated observation. Whosoever had done it such issue of a 'fatwa' is highly condemnable. Besides, he is not worried about such insinuations, coming as they from shiites and grave worshippers, who were mostly affected by his teachings. "Tawheed Yahi Hai ke Khuda Hashr me Kehde; Ye Banda Do Aalam se Khafa, Mere Liye Hai".

    Do not use the word 'Hussainiyat" as it has no place in Islam. We all respect Hussein Ra as the grandson of Prophet PBUH. He has done little during his life time for the benefit of Islam or for the cause of Islam to claim such high pedestal of reverence as claimed by the shiites. He on the other hand was responsible for internecine conflict with Islam for he led the rebellion against the democratically elected Caliph Hazrat Yazeed Ra. He never been a conqueror nor he ever contributed anything tangible for the rise of Islam. He led a political uprising and was the victim of campaign of villification against Yazeed Ra led by a few Kufians, who finally ditched him at the eleventh hour. He was so frustrated that he laid three conditions before the Governor of Kufa, on the fateful day of 10th Moharram. One was, he may be allowed to fight along with the Islamic army against the Kuffars. Secondly, he may be allowed to return to Medina and thirdly he may be allowed to meet the Caliph Yazeed RA. As he was discussing the three conditions with the Governor of Kufa, who happened to be relative also, the Kufans who were waiting along with the brothers of Muslim bin Aqeel, sensing  a reconciliation in the offing, started the skirmishes against the forces of Governor and when Hussein Ra went to stop it, he was killed by the arrow of his own rebels in the same way the followers of Ali Ra did during the war at Saffain. Ali Ra was also struck by his own follower, Hussein was also struck by his own men. Was this a sheer co-incidence or repeat of history? This had happened on the day of his arrival at Karbala on the fateful day of 10th Moharram. Later, the rebels were arrested, the entire family of Hussein Ra was taken to Damascus with due respect, who were received by Yazeed RA, expressed his deep sorrow at the untimely death of Hussein Ra and sent them back with due honour to Medina with gifts and pensions. This is the long and short of the so called battle of Karbala. Do not believe in the story of Shiites as there is nothing truth in it.

    Reacting to my above observations, these shiites would indulge in slander using vilest of the language they know. This would confirm their religious rituals. Wait and watch the reaction. I will soon come out my long awaited article on the myth associated with "Hidden" Mehdi. Abhi Khissa bakhi hai mere dost.

    A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai based Columnist. 

    By A.M. Jamsheed Basha, Chennai, India -